Helen Torley
Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Yep, great, thanks, Jess. Let me start with the undisclosed targets. You're absolutely right. We've got two undisclosed targets. One Roche, one Chugai, that is on the Wave 4 slide. Unfortunately, because those are partner confidential, we're unable to say anything about them, including whether they are Sub-Q versions of already approved IV products. The partners have given us no indication at this point in time of any near-term plans to disclose what those targets are. So, generally, we find that partners who are feeling they're in a competitive space, or perhaps just because of their preference, choose not to disclose the targets. And we obviously have to abide by that. So, obviously, we're excited to talk about those when we can, but we can't say anything at the moment. With regard to the terms discussion, as we mentioned, we are continuing in terms discussions with companies as well as additional companies that are more in the technical evaluation stage, Jess. So each company is moving at its own pace. While I would love to be able to give more granularity about what exactly is happening, there's not an intermediate place really between initiating the terms discussion and signing the CLA that I can talk about. And so, it does make it seem like when we announce the deal, it appears all of a sudden. But we do want to make sure that we're giving you the most up to date information and so you'll hear about it when the CLAs are actually signed. For PALOMA 3, obviously for everybody, that was exciting data where in addition to expected results, which was a five-fold reduction in infusion related reactions and also the dramatically shorter treatment time, there was an interesting exploratory signal with regard to an improved overall survival in the Sub-Q arm. Two theories circulate about that. One was that perhaps it was the patients had a higher overall exposure while it still hit the non-inferiority margins. It was an over higher exposure. But there's a lot of interest in the idea that it's in part due to increased immune trafficking, which is happening because the drug is delivered subcutaneously and is absorbed through the lymph nodes. Certainly, as it relates to companies who are working in areas such as nucleic acids, mRNA vaccines, Jess, that has created interest. These are early conversations, and obviously there's more data to be generated here, but certainly this is a concept that some people were aware of, more people are becoming aware of, and the potential to end up being able to have a higher production as an example, as a result of Sub-Q delivery with ENHANZE is certainly attracting interest. That's about all I can say about that at this time.