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The Hain Celestial Group, Inc. (HAIN)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 4, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Hain Celestial’s Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2015 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later we will conduct the question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Mary Anthes, Senior Vice President of Corporate Relations.

Mary Anthes

Management

Thank you, Amanda. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. Welcome to Hain Celestial's second quarter fiscal year 2015 earnings call. Irwin Simon, our Founder, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; John Carroll, Executive Vice President and Chief Executive Officer, Hain Celestial North America; Steve Smith, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Denise Faltischek, Executive Vice President General Council and Chief Compliance Officer, as well as several members of Hain Celestial's management team are with us today to discuss our results. Our discussion today will include forward-looking statements which are current as of today's date. We do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements, either as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. Our actual results may differ materially from what is described in these forward-looking statements and some of the factors which may cause results to differ are listed in our publicly filed documents, including our 2014 Form 10-K filed with the SEC. A reconciliation of GAAP results to non-GAAP financial measures is available in our earnings release which is posted on our website at www.hain.com under Investor Relations. This conference call is being webcast and an archive of the webcast will be available on our website under Investor Relations. Our call will be brief, so please limit yourself to one question. If time allows, we will take additional questions and management will be available after the call for further discussion. Now, let me turn the call over to Irwin Simon. Irwin?

Irwin Simon

Founder

Thank you, Mary and good morning everyone. I hope everybody had an opportunity to review our second quarter fiscal 2015 press release that went out this morning. Hain's diversified portfolio of organic and natural brands continues to generate solid growth worldwide across various sales channels in this quarter, in the past quarter. Even though in calendar year 2014 we have product withdrawal from MaraNatha our first major product we draw till the business was disrupted by a fire our first major fire and those of who you don’t know I had an accident, tore a ligament of my knee and had knee surgery in January. So things happened in [three] now with all that behind us only look for good things in the near future. But even with a few challenges in the quarter, which we believe are all transient in nature, we are still able to stay focused and capitalize on our growth opportunities, which show the strength of Hain, our team, our brands our diversified customer base and how well positioned we are in the healthy living category. We have demonstrated our ability to deliver despite all these obstacles. Looking ahead I am pleased with the outlook for calendar year 2015, more and more consumers are aware of health and wellness category and they continue to grow rapidly with a robust outlook for years and years to come. The demand for healthy better for you products help us generate record net sales up over 31% overcoming foreign currency headwinds as a strength of the U.S. dollar impacted our international results. Today 40% of our sales are from our international operations. Both net sales and adjusted earnings were up solid double-digits for the 17th consecutive quarter. Sales in local currency were up in every segment of our business, adjusted…

John Carroll

Management

Thank you Irwin, good morning everyone. Q2 was a very strong quarter for Hain Celestial U.S. Let me just go through a few key highlights in the quarter which included Q2 adjusted net sales of $359.3 million which was up 10% versus year-ago. If we look at Q2 adjusted net sales ex-MaraNatha the U.S. was up 14% versus year-ago. Importantly, we had strong Q2 organic growth of 8% which is consistent with what our Q1 organic increase was. Our latest 12-week Nielsen AOC consumption ex-MaraNatha was 8% which represented an acceleration in our trend, in fact continuing the acceleration our latest four week number was 9.4% ex-MaraNatha. Our growth was achieved even as we lapsed strong year-ago comp and resulting in a two year stack consumption gain ex-MaraNatha of 17%. And the results were driven across the portfolio with strong gains including 14 brands of double-digit or high single-digit increase. Our Q2 adjusted operating income increased to $63.1 million up 11% versus year-ago, and our Q2 operating income margin was 17.6% up 20 bps versus year-ago. This reflected productivity savings and increased leverage of our SG&A platform. Now as I have on previous calls I want to review the five key factors that make us optimistic about our balance of the year outlook. These factors are consumption trends, distribution growth, productivity, innovation and our most recent acquisitions performance. I will take you through quick review of these five factors and then segway into a MaraNatha update. Starting with the first key factor which is our continued consumption growth. Q2 was our 20 consecutive quarter of strong U.S. consumption trend. That’s five complete years strong U.S. consumption trend. We drove growth across our brand portfolio and across all key AOC channels despite going in strong year-ago comp. And as Irwin mentioned…

Steve Smith

Management

Thank you, John and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining our call. I am going to take you through our second quarter financial results and then we’ll review our guidance. With another outstanding quarter from sales perspective reported net sales were $696.4 million while sales adjusted for the voluntary nut butter recall were $701.7 million with adjusted net sales up 31% versus the second quarter last year. Consistent with the first quarter, the adjusted net sales amount reflects customer returns for products shipped to the -- for products subject to the voluntary nut butter recall in other words product that was actually shipped and subsequently taken back. Sales growth was driven by increased distribution and consumption as our existing portfolio brands continues to perform well. The acquisitions of HPPC, Rudi’s and Tilda, which increased our sales by $153 million in the second quarter, this amount also includes brand growth under our ownership. During the quarter, net sales were impacted by the unfavorable effective foreign currency and which was approximately $9 million as compared to the prior year and $12 million as compared to our guidance. As we commented in November we did expect to be adversely effected by currencies but the continued strength of the dollar was greater than we anticipated. Growth from our branded products from both our existing portfolio and our acquisitions adjusted for the nut butter recall and in constant currency and as a percentage of sales was high single-digits. Our adjusted earnings were $0.54 per diluted share compared to $0.43 per share in last year’s quarter improving 26%. In earned $0.43 per diluted share on a GAAP basis in the current quarter. Currency adversely affected our GAAP earnings per share by approximately $0.03 and our adjusted earnings per share by approximately $0.01. Adjusted operating income…

Irwin Simon

Founder

Thank you Steve. With that Mary we can go ahead and open up for questions.

Unidentified Company Representative

Management

Operator we're all ready to open it up for question. Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Bill Chappell with SunTrust. Your line is open.

Bill Chappell

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Just looking at the EPS guidance for the year and kind of narrowed by about $0.05 to $0.06 on top end, I guess post-split. Can you tell us, I mean is that all currency -- is it currency Tilda and higher commodity costs, maybe a breakout as we're looking going forward.

Irwin Simon

Founder

Bill the majority, I'll come back and say it's all currency and basically what I said before the team has done a good job on managing costs, the team has done a good job on mix and in managing through this. So majority of it is absolutely currency.

Bill Chappell

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

And then flipping to…

Irwin Simon

Founder

And I think Bill just to go back and show when you come back on a 100 million or 90 million and just adjusting EPS by $0.02 $0.03 it shows the strength within our diversified portfolio and our customer base just on that.

Bill Chappell

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

As I look at the UK, I guess two things there on the soup business I understand that was up but it had fairly easy comparisons. Can you talk like kind of the health the season, do you feel like this is still a good growth category over the next few years, now that you've owned it for a couple of years on Tilda. Is there any change the guidance from the fire I didn't quite catch that or sales are still in there from the insurance recovery.

Irwin Simon

Founder

So just let me talk about soup, we had the UK team in here last week. I am probably more excited about the soup business in the UK than I ever have been. We have three soup businesses in the UK, we have New Covent Garden, we have Cully & Sully and then we have own label which is private label. And one of the things that we’re seeing is the overall soup business Ambient Soup which is the biggest part of the soup business which is Heinz canned [Baxter] is way down. So big opportunity to really dive into that category. The other thing is as you look at the soup category and a big focus on the UK market has been own label, where Tesco and Sainsbury has focused on their own label, they have not grown the category. So it's our job to go in there and say why it's important to have more facings of our New Covent Garden brand. On the other hand one of the things is Cully & Sully is different packaging, it's a pod instead of the container. One of the things that we're going to look to go into is in beans, in soup meals, et cetera. In the UK, they do not sell soup [indiscernible], so we have two plans in the UK and we think the New Covent Garden brand is a very, very strong brand. So big focus on soup, big margin business and like I said we have three businesses in UK. We're also a big provider of soup to [Fretemage] and other food servers accounts in the UK. So what I will say is there big drive on soup business and to grow that business and a big focus from us with our three different categories. One of the big things that we have for a lot of retailers have come to us and we have two factories to produce other peoples labels or to produce private labels is just something we didn't want to focus on, but we'll look at that if we can get the growth from our own label within Sainsbury and Tesco. In regards to Tilda, we adjusted our Tilda number between $5 million and $10 million just to be on the safe side. And not that one of the problems with us going to a third party it's just timing and selection of product. And that's what it is when you gone to a third party that we can't forecast to make our products to what our customers want. So in the second quarter we've had some interruption, the timing the cold packers just because of fire. And with that we think we'll have our line four which is our big line up and going by the end of March, early April that will help us substantially here.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Mushkin with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open

Irwin this is actually Mike in for Scott. On the bigger picture on margin question with respect to the UK, this quarter it looked like it came in a bit year-over-year but kind of thinking about the drivers of the UK margin this year and over the next few years. And what's in place and where do you think this margin can go over time with the right scale?

Irwin Simon

Founder

I think there is couple of things. Number one is growing the soup business which is a major margin business for us. You heard us talk about our Project Castle gaining to a £35 million run rate and getting to profitability and then some. And with that some of the additional mix on Tilda and selling more Tilda blue part of Tilda was in the food service and goes into the ethnic market. But just again is that’s where the big drivers are going to come on are gross margin. The other one is driving more and more part leased products which we’re in the midst of installing more equipment to be able to keep up with some of the pod that we volume shortfall there and that’s continually. The other big thing on the SG&A line is ultimately integrating some of the backrooms. Another big thing is we just took over our Dream business, our non-dairy business and we look for that to be a big growth vehicle for us and a great margin business for us within the UK. But what I can sit here and say is over the last two weeks we had both the Tilda team the full UK team in there and we really got a good plan in place how to grow on the back half both for Tilda both UK, Europe, Middle East, India, U.S., Canada but more important what we’re going to do with New Covent Garden, Cully & Sully grow both in the UK and the Irish market how we’re going to grow our food business our soup business and our castle business. And you heard me say before our Grocery business our Hartley business is up 11%. What we’re looking for is more growth out of our nut butter business our Sun-Pat business and we look to get into more and more Grocery product lines whether it’s Celestial Seasonings snacks within the UK.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open

That’s really helpful and I appreciate that. And then lastly just now that you had about 40% mix with sales internationally how are you guys thinking about that mix of business over time and where would you like that to be as you think about future acquisitions and growth?

Irwin Simon

Founder

I think while we said our like 55% in the U.S., 45% outside the U.S. listen I think right now with currency where it is buying Smart in Europe would make sense for us today buying Smart in the UK where we’re also sitting with lots of cash will they expense for us today strategic acquisitions. We have the infrastructure there and to integrate them there is a lot of opportunities. And what we’ve seen with good double digit growth in Europe coming out of Lima, Danival our Dream business I mean they have been great acquisitions for us in Europe. And our European business is only 100 million euros today we want to get that bigger I mean we’re installing in a lot of countries we need to get a bigger base because a lot of those products today only 50% of our products sold in Europe are only sold in natural food stores.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open

Okay. And…

Irwin Simon

Founder

We’re seeing acquisitions and opportunities presented to us for Asia, South Africa, Australia, so there is a lot of stuff and there is nothing we’re going out there to do it but we’re seeing a lot of global acquisitions coming our way out there. And we’re going to look at what make sense for us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Greg Badishkanian with Citi. Your line is open.

Fred Wideman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open

Good morning. This is actually Fred Wideman on for Greg again. Just a quick question on Tilda, the fire is not impacting the U.S. expansion at all. Is it?

Irwin Simon

Founder

No. And listen a bit because we just again we got to make sure we have risen for UK and the rest of the world. But the plan was to win through the U.S. in the fourth quarter anyway. But is its impacting it it’s not by a lot as by maybe a month or so.

Fred Wideman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open

Okay, great. And then could you guys just quantify your exposure for each of your major foreign currencies? I think you said both big three buckets are but any more color would be great.

Irwin Simon

Founder

When you exposure I am not exactly sure what you mean?

Fred Wideman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open

Just sort of a breakdown percentage of revenues.

Irwin Simon

Founder

Well so the UK is about 30% of our total business and Canada and Europe are about 5% each.

Fred Wideman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open

Okay, great. And then just for HPP quickly. Did you guys see any impact from Chipotle’s decision to suspend one of its pork suppliers in the quarter?

Irwin Simon

Founder

If anything impact on the positives because they’re…

Fred Wideman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open

Right, yes that’s…

Irwin Simon

Founder

I mean Chipotle is one of our key customers and one of our key suppliers here in the North East. Nothing significantly to stand out but the strong demand anyway from Chipotle.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Evan Morris with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Evan Morris

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open

Couple of questions just on organic growth you highlighted for the quarter we have seen some acceleration I guess in the recent quad [ph] weeks. Can you give us a sense of sort of where the run rate is now on organic growth and what your expectations are for the back half of the year?

Irwin Simon

Founder

So, we are saying high single-digit and we continue and expect that to continue into the back half of the year, Evan.

Evan Morris

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open

Okay, and just on the SG&A leverage, you continue to -- it’s very impressive, I am just wondering how much additional operating leverage you have on the SG&A line, how this going in talk little bit about some of the key buckets and key areas we still have opportunity?

Irwin Simon

Founder

I will talk about few and again, I want to be careful here because more I give you the more you bake in to my number. But, as we look to integrate plants and we are doing some things right now with blueprint we are doing some things with our other plants and we are definitely seeing the efficiencies. And you come back where we took a Westchester facility and we put baby food lines in there and we put some other product lines and we will put our juice line in there, you are seeing effects of that where we have taken our sensible portion plan and moved it to Lancaster and built the new facility we are seeing the effects of that. The effects of what we have able to do at the Rudi’s plant and the efficiencies they have been able to get out there, plus we acquire Rudi’s last May we closed our offices and moved to bear moved that into the our back room. Today in the U.S. all backrooms are integrated within the Hain headquarters here and like success all the operations procurement purchasing basically are all integrated here. So a lot of G&A savings from integration lot of efficiencies and we are also have been looking at where it make sense to outsource even some of our groups within like success and get some efficiencies. So that’s number one, number two is what makes sense then with Canada, Canada is run today as a whole separate entity, what makes sense to integrate Canada is closer than most of our other states, so what makes sense from Canada now as a reports into John to integrate even though sales and marketing we run separately about what makes sense from an operation what makes sense from a backroom to integrate there. So there is opportunity is there. The UK today we have the business, our Hain Daniels our grocery business and Ella’s business, and they are all running a separate businesses today. So, I will leave that to your imagination and then there is Hain Europe that ultimately could be integrated. So there is multiple opportunities, the big thing too is procurement as we take $55 million, $60 million of productivity and that’s each year a new $55 million $60 million. So getting 1% on margin has tremendous leverage in savings for us, also. So there is a lot of SG&A opportunity. And you know what we are ultimately going to do other acquisitions and we hope to integrate them. As we look at our corporate spend today and how do we ultimately take a more and more from the corporate standpoint. So there is a lot of SG&A savings and there is a lot of gross margin opportunities for us to continue with that.

Evan Morris

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open

Great, thank you.

Irwin Simon

Founder

Thank you. And we are minors we look forward, trust me.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Amit Sharma with BMO. Your line is open.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open

A quick question for Steve. Steve have you given commodity inflation outlook, you talked about commodity is a little bit inflationary, John talked about it. What is the inflationary outlook for the full year?

John Carroll

Management

We are expecting -- with the exception of butter fat, in terms of the key commodities that are driving inflation, we are expecting they are going to continue the coconut, the wheat, the almonds, the egg whites. So we called second quarter inflation at 3.5%. And so we are expecting a slight moderation of that because of the butter fat, but basically somewhere between 2.5 point to 3 point.

Irwin Simon

Founder

And beginning of the year in August we expected inflation to be about 3% to 4% for the full year. So that’s maybe on a low end of that, but we were pretty accurate back in August.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open

And Steve there is follow-up to the previous question on SG&A leverage. I mean the first half of leverage is running ahead of your full year target, are we looking for a bit of a slowdown in the back half?

Steve Smith

Management

It was running ahead of the original target, for couple of reasons, one top-line is -- with the top-line down and HPPC as a bigger percentage of the total pi we are getting additional leverage on HPPC. That’s really what’s going on.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open

Okay, that makes sense. And then Irwin, if we look at your portfolio in U.S. and the snack portfolio really stands out in terms of how strongly its growing and what kind of sales uptake that we have seen. And we have talked about in the past about the packaging and innovation that, can you talk about that a little bit what’s driving that? And as you look at the rest of the portfolio what are the brands can you see or identify to have similar potential or a real meaning for acceleration on [indiscernible] trends.

Irwin Simon

Founder

And again it's not only in the U.S. it's around the world. I think our snack category has tremendous growth because consumers and it goes back to show you Amit, consumers want healthy and healthy snacks. I think transforming some of our snacks into other eating opportunities whether it's far whether it's on the go stop et cetera, there is opportunities in our snack category and carrying our brands over to that and I'll leave it at that. I think our Greek yogurt business continues to grow high double-digits from a standpoint, our baby business. Yes Ella's had a bit of slowdown at Wal-Mart but any reason countless for a second on the side or anything our baby business our formula of business, our grocery business, our refrigerated frozen business, and that's one of our biggest business today. Our plant based non-dairy product business big opportunity for us and big category. Our whole condiments category with oils, mayonnaise, ketchups and mustards big opportunities for us will continue to grow. Our BluePrint and this stay tuned to what's going on with BluePrint a lot happening in the BluePrint category and we're pretty excited about BluePrint. Rudi's gluten free, we today one of the big things and you heard John talk about, it was to get our Rudi's Bakery fixed and really to focus on Rudi's and get the efficiencies there. And we have restaurants, we have retailers all calling us for more and more Rudi's, just making sure we can supply it and roll it out. And last but not least, listen. You heard what I said before. In the quarter, we had to overlap from last year $13 million of no MaraNatha sales plus growth. And we were able to do that. So getting MaraNatha back in stock, we did not ship peanut butter and raw cashew until the last week or so in December. So just overcoming MaraNatha and getting that back. Listen I think the fresh category on protein, what I am seeing there on protein, what I am seeing there on Hain Pure Protein both on branded, were the opportunity for the process and deli and stuff like that; fresh meals, fresh soup, tremendous opportunity for us. The consumers backing away from the frozen category want less and less frozen means today, want fresh prepared foods, want less and less cans today, want fresh prepared foods, want less and less milk today, want more and more plant based products. So we're in the categories and we're absolutely seeing that and I think our portfolio and the opportunities for us tremendous in so many innovations and new products and you'll see this at Expo. And just wanted rice, Tilda, again whole grain, gluten free, low glycemic index, and with the ethnic flair to it. I see a big opportunity in the whole ethnic market and stay tuned for some focuses there from us.

John Carroll

Management

Matt this is John, I can't believe I am adding on to what Irwin already said. But one category that we're very high on is personal care. You look at the numbers on what we're seeing in growth, this is a category that has really struck a chord with consumers now. And then the other one I would add, two others I would add with the spectrum especially in the whole healthy fats area. And then last but not least we're starting to see some nice momentum on Celestial on both the bag side as well as the strong reception we're getting on the ready to drink products that we're introducing.

Irwin Simon

Founder

And just on our personal care, that's a good point John. We had many people reach out to us, we established the personal care product the categories because they know that is where the growth is and absolutely not, because we see so much growth in that category. And if you're concerned about what should we -- how about what should you put on your body and what you wear. So opportunities are tremendous.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray. Your line is open.

Sean Naughton

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Private label, we're starting to see a little bit more of that, and kind of the organic and better for you products, at least kind of the mass and club, a little bit additional, which is clearly a validation of your strategic focus in the category. But can you talk about how you navigate this dynamic in the marketplace and maybe you remind us how much of your business that you're kind of doing on this area at that point.

Irwin Simon

Founder

So Sean I'll touch on it, John jump in here anytime. Listen, I've seen private label on this business since starting Hain has been around. And Kroger has done a great job on private label, whole foods has done a great job on private label and other retailers have to. Being one of the largest procure of natural organic GMO free products today. And we know where the difficulty is in supply and we do this every day. They're going to run into some of those challenges too. And yes there is going to be the ability to do me too products and everyday products. But with that from our standpoint what’s next GOC, what’s next flak seed, what the next plant based meal what’s the next snack we have 30 plants of our own today so we’re focused on our own plans and working with co-packers when we do work with co-packers we’re the one sourcing the product and the packaging. So it’s something that out there. It’s probably 18% to 20% of sales in the U.S., less than 3% of our sales is private label. In the UK it’s different because the UK is a different market from that. But it shows just the strength of the category and what I will tell you is many of those private label, many of those retailers that want to get in the private label do come to us and ask us to do it and it’s I mean the answer is no because we want enough supply for ourselves instead of going out and doing private label.

Sean Naughton

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Okay, that’s helpful. And then just quick follow up as to some that the distribution gains obviously nice work there, sales for you guys. But is there anything can you talk about some of the stacks areas that you’re seeing in the U.S. for you for distribution gains and are you getting is there any difference in the traction that you’re getting in some of those channel?

Irwin Simon

Founder

I’ll talk on that to I think number one as you’re seeing is Whole Foods plants up 50 new stores and over the next week what they plan to open in New York and et cetera so just Whole Foods and Sprouts with their store openings is great traction to us in those retailers and then John you heard us talk before about 7/11 with Sensible portions which will be a big win for us. And we have multiple other retailers and fast food restaurants that are approaching us for different types of snacks and other products it’s just supply and demand and how we do it. But John do you want to talk about?

John Carroll

Management

I guess what I would add is some hot categories for us. Obviously we’re seeing in the UK really strong distribution gains on Ella’s Kitchen. In the U.S. we continuing to see strong gains on snacks we’re seeing double digit gains in terms of distribution on Rudi’s. Spectrum continues to be a rapidly increasing area from a distribution perspective. And Greek Gods continues to drive distribution, Greek Gods has grown at a double digit CAGR from a top line perspective. We’re going on our fifth year and it continues to have some really spectacular distribution gains some of which I look forward to telling you guys in the next quarter when they actually show up on the shelf. So look we have Irwin said a broad array of channels that we’re seeing distribution gains as well as across the portfolio on our key brands.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Lazar with Barclays. Your line is open.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Just two things from me, first would be I just want to make sure I fully understand little bit of a shift with I guess the fiscal 3Q expectations on EPS coming down a bit more versus where the street had been. I guess you still have some of the impact as you talk about from Tilda and MaraNatha but I guess to a lesser extent than the 2Q. Inflation maybe the bit more modest you have improved performance from higher margins soup and cheese business and still strong productivity and I know that that’s the still headwind but I would assume that’s kind of a case in the fourth quarter as well. So I just want to make sure I just fully understand the shift from third quarter to 4Q from an EPS standpoint?

Irwin Simon

Founder

A big thing is productivity a big part of our productivity comes in the back half so that’s a lot of it. And just continuing savings growth and mix is what helps our back half.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

I assume you say back half you mean specifically fiscal 4Q versus 3Q?

Steve Smith

Management

Well, fiscal -- yes exactly, 3 and 4 but fiscal 4 versus 3.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Okay, got it. Because the change I think relative to where at least consensus estimates were for the 3Q specifically come down quite a bit and shift into the fourth quarter more aggressively. I really just want to get a better sense for that. So you’re saying it’s primarily productivity and when that kind of really kicked in for the most part?

Steve Smith

Management

Well, that’s the big part of the productivity we’re looking for $55 million and so far it’s 11 plus million, so we got to get in the back. And the fourth quarter is the big one.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Okay, and then thinking more broadly I think one of the key reasons for buying the Premier brands in the UK while back was gaining scale right in the UK with retail customers to really allow you to openly get in a lot of your faster growth natural organic products from a state into the UK market. And I am assuming that’s kind of lost touch maybe a little bit with that how that’s gone? Can you give us an update on maybe where you’ve seen some specific impacts from gaining that scale if you will?

Irwin Simon

Founder

So good question the UK team has taken over our non-dairy plant based business now in the UK selling that through -- it was going through a distributor before where margins were lower they were not focused on the growth. So they’ve taken over all the Imagine non-dairy business. They’ve also taken over at a Europe Lima and Danival business to sell into UK market. They have also taken over frozen non-dairy dessert Andrew. At the same time they are looking and working on tea, and snacks. Now we have also launched through this grocery team a brand called Yum which is a free from gluten free, dairy-free et cetera and it’s a lot of our product lines that we sale here, but it’s under the Yum brand that we are selling in the UK. So since we bought this it’s our non-dairy business, it’s our frozen dessert business, it is Celestial Seasonings it is our snack business and it is the Danival and Lima brands that they are focused on right now.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Would you say that’s come along as quickly, more quickly than you would have imagined when you brought the Premier. I mean has it validated that may you using for buying the Premier assets or do you need even more scale in the UK to really accelerate.

Irwin Simon

Founder

Well I think the big thing is I come back there is a chicken and egg things. We have improved the growth, you heard what I say before Hartley's grow 11%. So if they come back and take our Sun-Pat peanut butter and we are doing a lot of good things with Sun-Pat we are going to bring MaraNatha there next and one of the reasons we didn’t bring MaraNatha down weather versus slowdown is because what we are doing there in almond butters et cetera. So with that we have improved the profitability tremendously on the Premier business getting lots of efficiencies that are there, and where is the combination of our Primer business along Tilda which are both grocery business and we are is there some sense, makes sense of Ella’s business et cetera. So there is a lot of opportunities there, have we done them all yet, no, but are they in our sight. The other thing is from a grocery business Andrew we were really selling going pub stores before there is other retailers, we have expanded into [Fretemage] selling food service selling, selling food service packs of jams and pea-nut butters in that, where we weren’t selling -- they weren’t selling that before but going to the Hain Daniels operations.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ken Goldman with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Ken Goldman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open

Just one quick question because I know we are running a little long. Regarding frozen, we are seeing a lot of changes in that aisle today really shifting from some of the more staid entrees to some items with I guess more of a health benefit. And the Journal had an article today about frozen fruit growing fast. So is there an opportunity for Hain to play a little bit bigger in this space? Irwin, you talked down frozen in general this morning versus prepared fresh and clearly that has been the right move and strategy for a while and I think it still will be. But are there some changes happening in frozen that maybe you can benefit from that don't seem as obvious to us right now?

Irwin Simon

Founder

Listen we are strong in frozen today, and we sale a lot of frozen pastas and that more to mainstream more to Wal-Marts and more to areas like that. We also have a very strong frozen kid’s meals under the Earth's Best name, frozen waffles, frozen pancakes. Listen our research tells us retailers -- and we talk to retailers Ken about them as a size of the frozen section they are making smaller frozen section, we have done a lot with frozen desserts on our non-dairy ice creams et cetera, but we got our frozen Ethnic meals out there under our Indian dishes and we have not seen great success with them. So and also we follow frozen around the world, if you want to look for the frozen food category in the UK that the fact of the store that we are food are merchandised. I think listen, innovation is something there is an opportunity on frozen, but everything what we are seeing today is here, fresh, fresh, fresh because we are all on the go and the only thing is help today in frozen meals is the sodium level and what else is in it to keep it for six months or 12 months. And there is lot out there in competition in frozen we just think there is big opportunity in the fresh category. Ken we have the ability because we have our own frozen plant to do things if we ultimately see that.

Ken Goldman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open

Okay, that’s helpful. Thank you very much.

Irwin Simon

Founder

And the only thing is in frozen I am being reminded by my finance people lot smaller margins in the frozen category today too.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Andrew Wolf with BB&T. Your line is open.

Andrew Wolf

Analyst · BB&T. Your line is open

Hi, good morning, thanks. I will also try to keep it fairly brief. In the U.S. the convenient store market looks like a pretty big win with 7-Eleven so is that for just the U.S. I mean there are 8,000 stores they also have a huge presence in Japan and Asia.

John Carroll

Management

Andrew this is John. The U.S. win is two Sensible Portions SKUs at 4,000 7-Eleven stores. So that’s a huge step forward for us. We have very little presence there and we look at it and we think with 7/11 as our base there are several other chains that we can go chase after with Sensible Portion, because that's a great item for that channel.

Andrew Wolf

Analyst · BB&T. Your line is open

That was going to be my follow up. So are there other distributors or chains chasing this yet or do you think this is sort of the launching pad?

Steve Smith

Management

I think first of all we're chasing them and we've got a great story on it and then when they see with our competitor across the street has it, they're going to want it as well.

Irwin Simon

Founder

And Andy I have been to Japan met with the 7/11 people, they’re also looking for healthier snack in Asia. And it's just a matter of us putting up a factory there to do it and that's what it is and that's what's been proposed to us.

Andrew Wolf

Analyst · BB&T. Your line is open

Sticking with the US and kind of a tag on to Ken's question. Obviously fresh is where it is at here. What is Hain's view on perhaps investing in using its expertise, but I would assume some investment as well, in going after the chilled soup market, which just observationally walking around stores you can see there is, versus just a few years ago, a lot more product in chilled soup. Obviously you have a great offering in ambient, but do you think that could be a complementary business line for Hain in the US?

Irwin Simon

Founder

Yes potentially it could be, as a matter of fact we will be at Expo West and we'll be showing some imagine refrigerated soup products and getting a gauge of what the interest level is to bring them in for the next season.

Steve Smith

Management

And stay tuned for BluePrint and soups too Andy, it can cleanse with juice you can cleanse with soups. So stay tuned with BluePrint soup. What's going on and what soup as John said. And listen if you come back and look at it, no different what I said it with UK and decline of can soups. I mean we're seeing that and again our feedback from our consumers is when you go to a soup bar and you have someone standing over whether sneezing over et cetera. They want to buy fresh soup with a shelf life on it more than three days. We have lot of experience in HPP, and HPP could give us anywhere from 25 to 30 to 40 days on soup. And we're doing that today with BluePrint we're doing that with some of our deli products today. So we're looking at it. It's easy for us to get in the soup business but with a three four day shelf life on it it's not worth it. So extending the shelf life and being able to have the quality and integrity of the product.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Palmer with RBC. Your line is open.

David Palmer

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open

Just a quick follow up on U.S. organic growth. We're modeling almost $20 million contribution from Rudi's this quarter which would have been the mid-single-digit lift to sales. And with that we're having a hard time building up to the 8% organic growth you mentioned. Is there any help you can offer with that?

Irwin Simon

Founder

The way we always measure organic growth is we take the existing businesses and the growth that we drive and for that in the quarter and we take only the gains that we drive on acquisitions. So the only acquisition we have in the U.S. this year is the Rudi's, and I believe we drove about $2 million in growth this quarter on Rudi's that wasn't there prior to that.

John Carroll

Management

And David again that is ex MaraNatha, so maybe that's where you get caught off.

David Palmer

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open

I think those are probably the two explanations. And just a follow up on your M&A strategy, your purchases in recent years have leaned a little bit towards the UK international side. And it seems like going back further, you go back four or five years, the subsequent growth you have had from acquired U.S. brand seems to have been greater than the growth you've had on a multi-year basis from the international UK acquisitions. Do you see it that way, I mean if you're sort of grading the growth rates in the out years from your acquisition. Do you see more of a reason to go back to domestic with the acquisitions and how do you see your buyers going forward?

Irwin Simon

Founder

On that question, part of acquisitions outside the U.S. are done for strategic reasons, you asked for the question from Andrew Lazar about buying grocery business and the base growth in that grocery business -- the base that will allow us to bring other brands and out the infrastructure in place and you heard us talk about Hartley's growing at 11% bringing our non-dairy business in. so part of the growth number you have to focus in, growth we're getting from other product lines and other categories and what we've been able to do. My feeling always has been just a walk into our market place, if we walk into UK and say here we're with Earth’s Best, we want to be in the baby products. There is Cow and Gate, there is Hain’s there was Plus, there was four others there before so the retailers with us to give us all this money but you’re dealing with private label brand that was the number one baby food in the UK. So, first of all David part of the strategy is to get into that marketplace and buy the strong one or two brand where you have local management, local brand and bringing our other brands alongside of it. So it’s just part of that and you got to look at it what’s the growth we got in our other brands. I come back and look and say yes I mean UK is a bigger market as you step back today our base business Whole Foods and Sprouts and they’re going to open up the 1,000 stores and a big focus on that natural organic focusing on the U.S. is something we’d love to continue to do and do future acquisitions here. In the UK especially 55% of sales today come from branded, 45% come -- 55% branded, 45% come from own label, so you’re competing with Tesco’s brand, the Sainsbury’s brand, Waitrose brand where in the U.S. private label today and maybe in the natural organic category its smaller but it’s only 18% of sales. So focus wise we’d like to do acquisitions here but if they’re good strategic acquisitions we would look to do them in the UK and Europe if we’re going to do a transformational acquisition it’s not going to be outside the U.S. if that’s your question.

David Palmer

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open

Got it, thank you very much.

Irwin Simon

Founder

But on the other hand David in 27, our 27 times revenues our 9 times revenue for acquisitions is not in our palette either.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rupesh Parikh with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

So, Steve, I wanted to ask just a little -- get a little more color on operating margin. Maybe if you can help me understand maybe the operating margin cadence in Q3 and Q4. Based on your commentary it seems like maybe Q4 we could expect more improvement than Q3?

Steve Smith

Management

Yes, that’s true.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay, is that mainly driven by the productivity initiatives or is there anything else unique we should be considering?

Steve Smith

Management

It’s productivity and it’s just mix on Tilda which is a bigger there is [Ramadan] and shipments like that that would be a big part of it.

Irwin Simon

Founder

I mean in order to drive the increased profitability in Q4 it’s going to come from a combination of productivity and also some leverage on SG&A.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay. And then, Irwin, maybe a question for you. As we sit here today it seems as if the consumer environment continues to improve, better jobs growth in the US, lower gas prices. As you look at your portfolio are you seeing any trade up within your portfolio? Have you thought beyond going trade up to natural and organic?

Irwin Simon

Founder

So wait, are we seeing trade up?

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Yes, as the consumer…

Irwin Simon

Founder

Okay. Listen I don’t think we’ve seen it totally yet but in speaking to our retailers and seeing the demand and where am I seeing it. Listen what we’re seeing today in AOC and consumption growth and this is our AOC consumption growth is across mass market grocery so we have to be seeing some of the effect which again what they’re going to the stores more often and I think having more disposal link up.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay, thank you.

Steve Smith

Management

Rupesh, it’s Steve again. One of the things that we had mentioned back in August and again in November was that within SG&A there is an element discretionary spend that can shift around between quarters. And then as we are closer to each of the quarters we would finalize those numbers. So what we’re giving out in terms of guidance for the back half of the year now reflects that.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from John Baumgartner with Well Fargo. Your line is open.

John Baumgartner

Analyst · Well Fargo. Your line is open

Just wanted to touch on the gross margin here. And I guess specifically what you are seeing there in terms of any drag from promotion. Has there been any reduction in pressure versus the last few quarters and how should we think about that going forward in the back half?

Irwin Simon

Founder

Actually as we look at it right now this is the first quarter in the last four where we have not been the impact of moving promotion dollars from below the line to above the line and we’ve seen no absolute increase in our promotion spending for the U.S. on a year-on-year basis.

John Baumgartner

Analyst · Well Fargo. Your line is open

Okay, and the drag for the back half should be more or less neutral as you see it right now?

Irwin Simon

Founder

That’s what we’re calling at this point, yes.

John Baumgartner

Analyst · Well Fargo. Your line is open

Okay, thank you.

Irwin Simon

Founder

Sure. Okay, I want to thank everybody for their time today. Our call has gone on a little longer than we expected because there were a lot of questions and hopefully we’ve been able to give you a lot of answers. What I want to come back and say even with our currency headwind, we have been able to go ahead a mitigate a lot of that, and with that just being off a few pennies but with that and are having a fire and having a withdrawal these are just extraordinary things that happen within a year, and it shows you how Hain is a diversified portfolio, how we are diversified around the world and how we been there and deal with all these. I look forward to telling you a lot more about Hain, but this is the first time that we will be appearing in Cagney and probably about 14 years Andrew convinced us to go and it was a good convince. So I may be still on crutches, but I look forward be at Cagney and talking about all the great things still happening at Hain and to be able to show some of our new products there. And I invite those that would like to come to our expo in Anaheim in March where we will be debuting all new products and actually this show has become one of the top shows in the world. it’s like the boat show the cart show the innovation last year well over 100 plus thousands people attended, we will be hosting an analyst meeting at that show, so check with Merry and get your invitation and your tickets early because you will be pretty busy. In closing what I want to say is number one, I want to…