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Great Southern Bancorp, Inc. (GSBC)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 24, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Great Southern Bank Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. Later we will conduct the question-and-answer session and instruction will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference Ms. Kelly Polonus with Investor Relations. Ma'am, you may begin.

Kelly Polonus

Analyst

Good afternoon and welcome, this is Kelly Polonus, Investor Relations for Great Southern Bancorp. The purpose for this call today is to discuss the company's results for the quarter ending December 31, 2017. Before we begin, I need to remind you that during the course of this call we may make forward-looking statements about future events and future financial performance. You should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date they are made. These statements are subject to a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the results anticipated or projected. For a list of some of these factors, please see the forward-looking statements disclosure in our fourth quarter 2017 earnings release. President and CEO, Joe Turner; and Chief Financial Officer, Rex Copeland are here with me. I'll now turn the call over to Joe.

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Thanks, Kelly and good afternoon to everybody on the call. We appreciate you joining us for our fourth quarter earnings call. I'll provide some remarks about the company's performance during the fourth quarter, and then I'll turn it over to Rex Copeland our CFO, who will kind of fill in the details particularly on the income statement, then of course at the end we will open it up for questions. Hopefully those of you on the call have had a chance to review our earnings release, if you had, you saw that we had a good quarter, we’re very pleased with it. As you saw from the earnings release, we earned $0.86 a share or $12.2 million during the fourth quarter, we earned $3.65 a share for the full year. For the fourth quarter our return on average assets was 1.1%, our return on common equity was 10.37%. No doubt, you saw that we did have two unusual items that occurred in the fourth quarter, first of all in response to the Tax Reform Act, which was enacted in the fourth quarter and as a way of rewarding our associates for the important work they have done for our company, we did give a one-time bonus that cost the company $1.1 million or $0.05 after tax. Additionally, in response to the Reform Act, all companies were -- are obligated to reevaluate their deferred tax item and that reevaluation process resulted in a $0.02 per share increase in our earnings per share in the fourth quarter. As far as loans, I am sure you saw that our outstanding loan balances were down for the quarter, but we believe there are -- or for the quarter and for the year. In spite of that we feel like there are lots of positive…

Rex Copeland

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. I am going to talk for a moment about net interest margin. Our reported margin in the fourth quarter this year was 3.75% that compares with reported numbers of 3.87% in the fourth quarter of last year and 3.77% in the third quarter of 2017. Our core net interest margin was very good we think in the fourth quarter of '17. The core margin excludes the impact of additional yield accretion recognized with our updated estimates of the acquired loan pools that improved about 11 basis points compares to the year ago quarter and was stable compared to the third quarter of this year at 3.68%. We've indicated in our past filings that rising interest rates may have a modest positive effect on our net interest income and margin. That's been born out to some extent so far in the previous rate increases that have occurred. We expect similar effects as we move forward, if we have further rate increases in 2018. Although the competition does remain significant and increased cost for deposits and other borrowings are anticipated. And we'll likely put some counter pressure on margin expansion. The headwinds to margin improvement also have included, as Joe mentioned earlier some reduction in our consumer loans and our acquired loan accretion income. Non-interest income I'll speak about for a moment. The non-interest income decreased $154,000 to $7.4 million, compared to the fourth quarter of 2016, primarily results in a couple -- from a couple of items. The largest of which is the line item for amortization of income related to business acquisitions. Because we terminated our loss sharing agreements in previous periods, that net amortization in the fourth quarter of 2017 was zero, compared to $848,000 for the fourth quarter of 2016. So that 2016 amount reduced…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Andrew Liesch with Sandler O'Neill & Partners. Your line is now open.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Hey, everyone.

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Hi, Andrew.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Just a question on the loan growth outlook here with -- I was kind of surprised to see the multifamily, C&I and residential -- single family residential portfolios declined. Is there anything going on there, just kind of curious what drove that and what your outlook for those types is going forward?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

I don't think there is anything specific Andrew, going on in any of those portfolios. I do think it's a challenging environment for banks in that at least at the level -- at the credit level that we originate credit, I think very high quality credit that borrowers have lots of options. And so loans are getting completed and they are almost immediately refinanceable. So that’s the only issue going on in those, there is nothing other than that, I don't think.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Okay. And then just looking at expenses, if you take out of $1.1 million for the bonuses and back out the expenses on foreclosed assets I get a core expense number of just under $27 million, is that a good run rate to use going forward though there might be some seasonal cost here in the first quarter?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

I think we've identified everything that we would conclude as noncore. Obviously you have normal kinds of compensation increases for employees, but I think we've done as best we can. We've identified anything that we would assume as nonrecurring in our numbers.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. [Operator Instructions] And the next question will come from the line of Michael Perito with KBW. Your line is now open.

Michael Perito

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon everyone. Thanks for the time.

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Hi, Mike.

Michael Perito

Analyst

Couple of questions for me, one on the kind of the economic outlook, Joe maybe just any thoughts around commercial activity and how you kind a see it changing or maybe improving after tax reform. I mean, is there -- are you starting to have better more constructive conversations with any of your commercial clients and have you started to see that translating into any more kind of potential future activity down the line?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

I would say it's hard to assess at this point. I do think there is kind of both anecdotally and what you're seeing the economic coverage. There does seem to be a fair amount of optimism out there. So hopefully that translates into additional economic activity. I think we're seeing very good economic activity throughout our geographic regions. We for the second year in a row we originated over $1 billion of commercial loans. And that goes Mike across our offices, $290 million in St. Luis, $190 million in Dallas, $160 million in Minneapolis and Tulsa, and Kansas City, $100 million in Springfield and even our newest LPO. Although it wasn’t opened that long Chicago originate $55 million. So I think it's going to be -- my guess is it's going to be probably more of the same. And maybe with tax reform you do read a number of articles where businesses are talking about the way in which that will help them.

Michael Perito

Analyst

Thanks, very helpful color, Joe. And then secondly on capital, I'm doing some quick back of the envelop math here. I mean, it seems like with that tax rate that Rex pointed out, I mean, you guys should be doing conservatively about 120 ROI maybe next year in that ballpark. Can you see would that will probably to be approaching almost 11% by the end of next year? I mean, I guess what's holding I know M&A is out there, and you guys are being selective and that make sense. But I guess what's the hold up in terms of maybe bumping up the payout ratio a little bit, maybe even doing a share repurchase? You guys are trading at a discount to peers on a book value basis. What are some of the Board's thoughts on some of those other non-M&A capital deployment methods at this time?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Well I don't want to get too far out in front of the Board, but I do agree with you. I mean, I think with tax reform with the increasing income we're going to have as our tax rate is decreased, yes our payout ratio will be a little low. And so we could certainly look at a dividend increase, and I'm sure that’s something our Board will consider going forward. Buybacks are something we could consider as well. And I haven't done the math lately, Mike before tax reform. So admittedly some of the metrics have changed. The kind of the -- if you looked at even at a $52 or $53 purchase price for our stock the tangible book value earned back still over six year. So unless you can get the stock bought really cheap, it's not that attractive. But I agree with you, our capital levels are getting high and we certainly have some options and some opportunities as a result of that.

Michael Perito

Analyst

Perfect, thanks Joe. I appreciate the color, very helpful.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question will come from the line of John Rodis with FIG Partners. Your line is now open.

John Rodis

Analyst

Good afternoon, everybody.

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Hi, John.

John Rodis

Analyst

Hey. Joe or Rex I guess, just on the auto portfolio, how much more runoff would you expect there?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

It's kind of hard to say John. I would think there is going to be at least another year of runoff. Kind of at the same -- kind of more or less at the same level maybe declining some. But I think we are looking at probably at least another year of it.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay. So that will end up taking the portfolio down to what less than 5% of total loans in theory?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Yes, I think so, roughly probably that amount.

John Rodis

Analyst

And so are you guys are originating any new auto loans today?

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Yes, we are. We told you I think probably a year ago this time, in fourth quarter of 2016 we had significantly strengthened our underwriting criteria because of weakness in the used car market. And so during all of 2017, I think we originated about -- I have got those numbers somewhere, I think we originated about $40 million or something of consumer credit, $34.6 million is still on the books that’s 2,719 loans and of those 19 are past due. So, I think the underwriting changes we made have worked. And so we will continue to have consumer portfolio, but it’s just going to be at a lower level than what we have had.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay. And then just one other question on the balance sheet, just deposits -- total deposits were down year-over-year, would you expect sort of deposit growth to sort of be similar to loan growth in 2018?

Rex Copeland

Analyst

John, a lot of the decrease in deposits during 2017 was in the CD area and a lot of that was going to be like more traditional brokered and some of the cedars one way buy and products there. So I think our transactional type accounts were positive for the year and we will probably not see -- I wouldn’t think we’d the CD portfolio rundown too much more from here. But a lot of what did results in that decrease in 2017 was what you would call really non-core stuff in the CD side.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay. But I guess my point is Rex is just trying to, I know the loan to deposit ratio isn’t the only thing you look at, but I wouldn't think you wanted to go a whole lot higher than where it’s at right now, is that fair to assume?

Rex Copeland

Analyst

Yes, I think that’s fair to say, I mean, I think our deposit growth will probably be roughly at least what loan growth is.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay, thanks guys.

Joseph Turner

Analyst

Thanks, John.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back over to Ms. Kelly Polonus, for closing remarks.

Kelly Polonus

Analyst

With that, we would like to thank you for joining our conference call and we look forward to next quarter’s call. Thank you.

Joseph Turner

Analyst

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude your program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.