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Grove Collaborative Holdings, Inc. (GROV)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 14, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Grove Collaborative Holdings Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator instructions] Please note that this call is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to our host, Alexis Tessier, Investor Relations Advisor. Thank you. You may begin.

Alexis Tessier

Analyst

Hello and thank you all for joining us today. With me on today's call are Grove's, Co-Founder and CEO Stuart Landesberg and CFO, Sergio Cervantes. Before we get started, I'll quickly cover the forward-looking safe harbor statement. Some of the statements that we make today about our future prospects, financial results, business strategies, industry trends and our ability to successfully respond to business risks may be considered forward-looking. Such statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. All of these statements are based on our view of the world and our business as we see it today. As described in our SEC filings, the underlying facts and assumptions for these statements can change as the world and our business changes. For more information, please refer to the risk factors discussed in our most recent filings with the SEC, which are available on our Investor Relations website @investors.grove.co. During today's call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP items to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in our earnings release and supplemental earnings presentation, which are also available on our Investor Relations website. With that, I'll turn it over to Stu.

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst

Thank you, Alexis. Hello everyone and thank you for joining our earnings call today. In 2022, we laid out our value creation plan with a goal of achieving profitable growth in 2024, and I'm pleased to report that progress against this strategy drove full year results that were ahead of our guidance on both top and bottom line for '22. Our value creation plan is built upon four pillars, improved marketing efficiency, omnichannel expansion, net revenue management and operating expense discipline, and we made progress on each during the fourth quarter. We have leveraged this value creation plan to make important strides to profitability over the course of the second half of 2022. Now you'll hear Grove talk more about the growth drivers for 2024 and beyond, starting with today's call. In 2023, we will have challenging comparables to 2022 when we overspend on marketing. That marketing overspend will benefit cohorts through the beginning of 2023, but as revenue stabilizes in the back half of this year, we are working to set ourselves up for growth in 2024. Our strategy for 2023 is to drive our core business the profitability while investing in three levers for material upside potential. The first is channel expansion into retail, which I've discussed previously and we'll talk about more on this call, category expansion into wellness on our GCC site via Grove Wellness, the launch of which we announced today, and three, mergers and acquisitions, including through our partnership with HumanCo that we announced last quarter. We think this approach allows us to continue to push the overall profitability and growth while leveraging our unique market position for above industry long-term trends. Now on to our fourth quarter results, marketing efficiencies continue to improve on lower spend levels across channels, particularly in paid social…

Sergio Cervantes

Analyst

Thank you. Stu. Similar to previous calls we'll provide quarter-over-quarter comparisons in addition to the year-over-year changes, as we believe the sequential comparisons better reflect the trends in the business and the steps we have taken to position ourselves for sustainable profitable growth. Fourth quarter net revenue was $74 million down 5% from the third quarter of 2022 and 15% year-over-year. Both comparisons were impacted by the strategic decision to reduce advertising spend as the company focuses on achieving sustainable profitable growth in 2024 as Stu discussed. Similarly, total orders were down 9% quarter-over-quarter and 25% year-over-year to $1.1 million and active customers were down 6% quarter over quarter and 16% year over year to $1.4 million on a trailing 12 month basis. Partially offsetting the declines in total orders were continued positive trends in DTC net revenue per order, which was of 5% quarter-over-quarter and 11% year-over-year to $63.04. This increase was driven primarily by the impacts of net revenue management initiatives, including the implementation of price increases on both Grove brands and third party products and introduction of a supply chain fee at the end of the third quarter, as well as by strong performance from seasonals. We expect these long-term trend to continue but we note, it'll be seasonally strong in Q4 and softer in Q1. Gross margin was down 210 basis points from the third quarter of 2022 and up 200 basis points year-over-year to 47%. Excluding the full impact of the inventory reserve in the fourth quarter, gross margin would have been 51.7%. The year-over-year increase was driven primarily by the positive impact of the above mentioned net revenue management initiatives as well by the improved promotion and strategy partial offset by increased charter cost, including inbound freight costs. Grove brand as a percentage of…

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst

Thank you, Sergio. We're very pleased with the improvements that we have made in our push to profitability, rapidly moving the company towards positive EBITDA despite the challenging environment. We are also very pleased with our efforts to ensure strong liquidity through restructuring our balance sheet with no maturities until 2025. As Sergio stated, we plan to continue our aggressive push to outperform, especially on the bottom line throughout 2023 and set ourselves up to drive growth once we are past the challenging variables to overinvestment in marketing in 2022. That combined with opportunities for growth in retail, wellness and m and a should make this a very exciting year for Grove, for our mission and for all stakeholders. We are now happy to answer any questions you may have. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first question comes from Susan Anderson with Canaccord Genuity. Please state your question.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my question. Nice job on improving the profitability this quarter. Stu, I was wondering maybe if you could give some more color on the new health and wellness category that you talked about. I guess will you be creating your own new brands for this category or distributing third party? And I assume it's going to be through your own DTC site at least in the beginning.

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst

Thanks for the question Susan. So when we look out at the categories that are within our overall desire to create impact, we think that wellness is incredibly compelling for a few reasons. I mentioned market size on the call. It's also one that has incredible retention and regimen built. When you get a consumer product they truly love and when we surveyed our consumers, something like 78% of consumers are already taking vitamins and supplements and the stat I mentioned in the call blew us away. 89% of them would trust Grove over other brands to provide them. And so, when you look at that and the lack of sustainability leadership in the space, we were sort of compelled, almost forced to do it. And from a business perspective, when you look at the P&L, these are higher average unit revenue products than our core home care category and when done well, it can also be a higher margin category. There's a lot of really exciting business elements for us. In terms of how it will come to life; it'll come to life first for folks who are already existing customers of Grove and we'll start through our direct-to-consumer platform. We have vitamins brand called HONU, I shouldn't say vitamins, supplements brand called HONU, which is a sort of legacy brand that does pretty well. I think it's unclear that one will be the future for us, but what we are certain of is that the playbook of gathering data from a direct-to-consumer business model to allow us to create real innovation that answers a customer need is one that works in home care, works in personal care and we are certain will work in VMS. So the way that you should sort of expect wellness to roll out is first as an enhancement to the direct-to-consumer offering. And then hopefully, over not too much time a place where we can leverage the learning in the second pillar category to not just improve our P&L today, but really help us build brand through innovation from a sustainability and efficacy perspective just like we did in home care in a second category that can drive expansion. And, you know as well as I do timeline for product innovation can be long. So I don't want to say that's going to come out and impact our 2023 financials, but certainly we expect to use the same playbook that's been really successful in driving customer satisfaction, loyalty and innovation on the home and personal care side. We expect to bring that same playbook to wellness and I think there's a huge opportunity here both on this direct-to-consumer side and over the long term on the brand building side.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Great. And do you, I guess just thinking about kind of ramping that business up, like how should we think about the investment needed, if any, to kind of ramp that category on your site?

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst

I think the investment is really comes in the form of being willing to invest in brand building on the site, even if it takes a little bit of time to build awareness. And so, you've probably heard Sergio and I talk a lot about profitability on this call on the last call, and that absolutely is our focus, right? As I said earlier today in a team meeting, the first word and profitable growth is profitable. So we are cautious of over-investing here and feel really fortunate to have an extraordinary base of customers that we can build brand with organically. And so that's where we're going to -- we are going to start. If you do see us make a big investment here, it'll be one that we have a ton of conviction in and because we have the data to support that, that's an investment that can really step change what's happening for us in the category.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Great. Okay. And then if I could just add one more I'm curious, I'm not sure if you talked about just the growth in wholesale versus DTC in the quarter, if there was any big divergence there and then also the recent rollout to Amazon, Walmart, etcetera. I'm curious if there's any early reads there and if you're seeing any impact on the other channels that you already did business in, such as like your own DTC site or target.

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst

Sure. So we're not going to comment on the relative growth of channels just yet. But to answer the question about Walmart and Amazon, it's too early to say in those channels. Obviously we're excited about both of them, but in both cases we're thinking long term, not short term. And so, we will see how they go, I'm excited, but I'm also very aware it's too early to -- it's too early to understand exactly which direction those will go in. And from a cannibalization perspective across channels, we've now gone from 1600 target doors to well over 5,000 and we haven't yet seen any reason to believe there's sort of a cannibalistic impact from one channel to the other. In practice, what's probably happened is wheat happening is we are losing some customers to target in other places and there's probably other customers who find us in target and then come to our direct consumer side. So what we really do see is the biggest result of growing our retail presence is that our awareness is growing and we think that will have long-term benefits across the omnichannel footprint, but we don't have any reason yet to think that we're trading customers off among channels.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks so much. I'll let someone else hop in. Good luck the rest of this year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our next question comes from Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

Hi, good afternoon everyone. As you think about the adjustments to the earnings for this upcoming fiscal year with a lowered sales guidance, but the lesser EBITDA loss, how much of this is due to the reduced marketing spend? And as you go forward with the new business with health and wellness, how much is invested in marketing there? And then just lastly on the expansion into retail, how do you think of that expansion into 2023? When do you add more -- when do you add more doors? How do you assess it? Is it different? Would each particular company and how you're planning inventory? Thank you.

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

Hey Dana, thank you for the questions. I'm going to do my best to answer them in sequence, but I may need a reminder after question one. So I'll give a high level of how we think about the priority in terms of revenue and bottom line. And then Sergio can speak more specifically to your question. I think, when we look out across driving profit -- our push to drive profitable growth in 2024, and we do still think we will grow that year and we do still believe it's possible that we will hit profitability that year; very optimistic. The goal for us really is to understand what we -- where our cohorts sort of imply that we will hit the bottom of the curve and start growing. Talked a little bit about the call, the big marketing spend in the first half of '22 and just as a reminder to folks, if you haven't seen our first investor presentation, really the first six months of a cohort's life are particularly strong and then the first 14 months are strong and then after the first 14 months you really don't see a whole lot of degradation. So if we are lapping, high marketing spend through June, you can sort of 14 months from there is where we'll stop having the particularly tough comparables on a year-over-year basis. So we can look at that and say, gosh, what builds the best P&L for 2024? And also how do we build the right muscles around improving marketing efficiency, which I've been extraordinarily pleased with our progress and pushing for faster payback and improving metrics up and down the P&L including gross margin and you can see revenue came down on a year-over-year basis, but gross margin came down less because we're really doing a nice job controlling margin. So I'll let Sergio speak to the specifics, but our overall goal really is to make sure that we emerge from 2023 with a healthy P&L and an incredibly healthy set of practices and metrics across the business that can drive sustained profitable growth. And we think we're putting the building blocks in place now. Sergio, if you want to speak specifically to the question of marketing investment.

Sergio Cervantes

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

Yeah, of course. And Dana, probably I will need some reminders as I answer the question. Okay. So first of all, I think the answer to your question is yes. So, one of the biggest impacts that we have seen and is a conscious decision as we move into the future per previous discussions is prioritizing profitability. So reducing the level of investment yes, it's impacting, it's impacting the growth that we have projected before and that we have put out as guidance for 2023. So the first answer to that question is yes. Second answer, which I believe you said is, so how much is coming from reducing marketing basically and how much is coming from other factors? I would say at this point, because I'm not going to digest it and clarify split specifically the question, but I'm going to tell you that the majority is coming from the reduction in advertising as you could imagine. And the second part of that one is a slower retail environment that is not spacing at the level that we want it to be is still favorable. We're still winning, but is not growing at the pace that we wanted it to grow. So that answers that part of the question. Can you remind me of the reminder?

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

The other one is just when you're thinking about the retail expansion, what allows you to expand more or less, what's the assessments of when -- how you're progressing forward with that, with the new businesses you just added?

Sergio Cervantes

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

Yes, so I'm going to take part of that question and Stu is going to compliment the answer. So basically as we, of course part of the strategy as Stu was describing, we have three levers for that growth and it's pretty important for us to continue pushing for the growth. So we want to get the growth to expand the business and one of those opportunities is the retail environment that. So expanding retail, the decisions that come to the work to expand how to expand and how much to expand is basically is based on the decision of which are the big players, where are the chains that can give us the labor action, the return on investment the fastest, and where do we want to create long term partnerships? So those together with the assessment of volumes, the assessment of how they go to market, what type of businesses they carry in the different regions, that's part of the assessment. How much would that cost? And of course, at the beginning of each of those investments, you would imagine that we have impact in the profitability and as we go and grow in the different channels, we expect this to become profitable by having better leverage on the levers that we can pull by reducing the level of investment that is required at the beginning of each launch and also by having more awareness of our brand out there, but I'm going to leave also some space for Stu to answer this question.

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

I think that's well said, Sergio. I will just say, I think at a high level, Dana, we see that the push towards zero waste from consumers is continuing to be a big sale for us. And I think that's something, something like 84% of US consumers want to see action taken on single use plastic. And our brand is such a clear market leader in the push away from single use plastic that it keeps us in every conversation. And I think, when I look at partnerships across the board, I think, look, we're learning into retail, we have a little over a decade of experience in DCC and not even two years in retail. And so as we continue to learn into the channel, I think the core thing that allowed us to be so successful in gaining distribution, in growing skew counts and continuing to put up good velocity numbers really is that intrinsic consumer value proposition of being a product that answers an unmet need in terms of zero waste that can be available at a really approachable price point. And that has extraordinary efficacy that drives high repeat. And so I think, Sergio's right, the rollout has been a little bit slower than we had originally anticipated, but growth rates in this segment are still very healthy. We expect them to continue to be healthy and the core thesis that's allowing us to grow is very much intact. I think you had a third question there, Dana, and I think, I think I lost it somewhere in.

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group. Please state your question.

No, no, we can take that offline. No problem. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And there are no further questions at this time. I'll hand the floor back to Stuart Landesberg to conclude. Thank you.

Stuart Landesberg

Analyst

Thank you much. Well thanks everyone for listening. Really looking forward to a very exciting year through 2023. Many thanks to you all for your support and I hope you all go check out grove.com\wellness for our new wellness launch today. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a great day.