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Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 11, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the Green Plains Inc. and Green Plains Partners Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. Following the company's prepared remarks instructions will be provided for Q&A. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. I will now turn the conference call over to your host, Mr. Phil Boggs, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasurer. Mr. Boggs, please go ahead.

Phil Boggs

Management

Thanks, Daniel. Welcome to the Green Plains Inc. and Green Plains Partners Fourth Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. Participants on today's call are Todd Becker, President and Chief Executive Officer and Patrich Simpkins, our Chief Financial Officer and Walter Cronin, our Chief Commercial Officer. There is a slide presentation available, and you can find that presentation on the Investor page under the Events and Presentations link on both corporate websites. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results could materially differ because of factors discussed in yesterday's press releases and the comments made during this conference call and in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K and Form 10-Q and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update the forward looking statement. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Todd Becker.

Todd Becker

Management

Good morning and thank you for joining our call today. For the quarter, we reported adjusted net loss of $14.4 million or $0.41 of diluted share, which excludes a reversal of a deferred tax asset of $25 million that affected EPS negatively. This was a non-cash adjustment and had no impact on our financial strength. As expected, the financial results were improved from the prior quarter due to the ethanol margin environment at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We reported $16 million in adjusted EBITDA for the quarter and we were free cash flow positive as well. We remain net debt zero against our convertible debt as a debt at GPP is non-recourse to the parents and the revolvers at Green Plains Inc are security against receivables and inventories. We are in a position - we are in this position as an outcome of our portfolio optimization plan. We are now embarking on a total transformation plan, which I will discuss later in the call as well. Our quarter results were impacted negatively by a shutdown- by the shutdown of Wood River for our Project 24 upgrade in the final stages of the Madison shut down as these occurred during a positive margin environment. And we believe this affected our quarter negatively by $0.02 to $0.03 a gallon. Both plans came back to full rates during December and we expect them to continue to operate well during 2020. We produce approximately 239 million gallons of ethanol which put us at an 84.5% utilization rates for the quarter. Well, this was lower than our stated goal of 90% it was the highest utilization rate in two years. More importantly, in December we ran at 94%. Once Wood River fully came up to speed after our Project 24 upgrades and the…

Patrich Simpkins

Management

Thank you Todd. Green Plains Inc. consolidated revenues were $715.7 million in the fourth quarter, up $132.2 million or 23% from the four quarter a year ago. The increase in revenue was driven primarily by higher ethanol production rates as compared to the fourth quarter of 2018. Our production run rate was 84.5% of capacity in Q4, 2019 compared to 71.1% run rate for the prior year fourth quarter. Our consolidated net loss for the quarter was $39.7 million, including a non-cash Tax Valuation allowance adjustment of $25.3 million, compared to net income of $53.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2018, where we recognize a $150 million gain on the sale of assets. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter totaled $16 million compared to adjusted EBITDA of $128 million for the fourth quarter a year ago, which also included the impact of the gain on asset sales mentioned earlier. For 2019, adjusted EBITDA was a negative $35.1 million versus $225.8 million in 2018. For the quarter, our SG&A cost for all segments was $20.6 million, down $11.9 million, or 37% from $32.5 million in Q4 of 2018. Driven primarily from the reduction of controllable expenses and the asset sales completed last year. This change does not include an additional $2.6 million reduction to SG&A from discontinued operations related to our cattle business. For the full year 2019, our SG&A costs were $77.1 million for all segments as compared to $108.3 million for 2019. Interest expense decreased $20.4 million to $8.7 million due to lower debt balances, lower interest cost and the write-off unamortized debt expense in 2018 due to the retirement of our term loan B. CapEx for 2019 was about $75 million with approximately $24 million of maintenance CapEx for ethanol production and additional $49 million of growth…

Todd Becker

Management

Thanks, Patrick. Let me discuss the industry briefly. Last year, we faced numerous industry headwinds. However, there are a number of positive opportunities as we begin 2020 even as margins remain under pressure. As we've continued to remind everyone, the solution remains the same. The industry remains oversupplied and needs to rationalize supply. At this point undercapitalized players continue to find a way to survive. In the past, it was the Green Plains' slowdown that was the main driver for reduce supply but because of Project 24 and the fact we lose more money slowing down, our strategy is to run full out and drive our costs per gallon lower. The last time we slowed down all that happened was the industry sped up. We had positive net income margins begin to appear in October as supply was below 970,000 barrels per day. And since then, the last five week average was 1,065,000 barrels a day with some weeks even higher. We believe some of the slowdowns never happened that were announced by other players. Our carrying capacity as an industry to the best of our knowledge is 1,150,000 barrels per day when everyone is running and some of the good Eastern plants come back online. The good closed Eastern plants come back online which is over 17.6 billion gallons per year. I am not saying we will run consistently there but we can take care of any demand that shows up. I would say our average estimate going forward is 1,100,000 barrels a day or 16.8 billion gallons annually. So where's the demand going to come from? Well, we know that 10% of the fuel supply is 14.3 billion gallons. And exports are 1.5 billion gallons. So our baseline demand is 15.8 billion gallons. Can China take a billion…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Adam Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

AdamSamuelson

Analyst

Yes, thanks. Good morning, everyone. So, Todd, you just went through a lot of details on the high pro initiatives. And I guess the first in the CapEx that you outlined, I mean, you presumes this is cash on hand and any cash from operations, but talk about the financing plan both for the capital spending this year, and also to get the whole prop - to get the whole fleet converted to High Pro. I think you talked about $350 million to $400 million opportunity in the slides. Just any pathway on the financing of getting there and timing and how do we accelerate some of these investments to get to this end state?

ToddBecker

Analyst

Yes, so that's the key. We want to accelerate this project and go as fast as we can to roll this out. So we've been talking with several different financial partners from the debt side in terms of banking and other lenders. And we believe that our goal is to get somewhere between $100 million to $150 million of debt for these projects to get them kick started. In addition, we have also been talking with other partners around accessing partnership in terms of equity investments into some of these ventures to accelerate them. So we're kind of being- we're going to look at it to be very creative. The first though is if we can get to $150 million line to start, we believe we can build 3 or 4 of these very quickly. Those 3 or 4 would add to Shenandoah which gets us to 5 of these projects. They start to sell finance each other very quickly. So 5 projects will sell finance another 2 to 3 that gets us up to 8 self finances, self finances the rest. Now in terms of off cash balance sheet and we also want to make sure we all always retain a strong cash position. We still believe we have some liquidity available through other levers that we can pull as well to finance another one of these with equity. So it's a little bit of everything. Now we're going to look at everything across our platform as well to make sure that that we are optimizing and where we can also find other sources of liquidity. But our goal is to now really begin to think about more aggressively funding this plan because of what we're finding out in terms of offtake agreements. Shenandoah starting up, we already know there's a plant, two plants operating that are doing very well. Their product is being very widely accepted globally in the market. And so our goal is to move as quickly as we can and we're developing that plan right now. But we are in talks right now to potentially use debt financing to move quicker.

AdamSamuelson

Analyst

All right. That's helpful color. And then just on the on Shenandoah, I mean, I know the base investment plan here was predicated on a 50% protein content, I mean any sense at this point, kind of where you think your initial product will be from protein content perspective and timeline to get that higher towards the upper bound of your hopes on the 56% to 60% range.

ToddBecker

Analyst

Yes. So our goal initially is obviously, the whole thesis was based off of 50% protein. But we already know that mechanically, just mechanically we can get a little bit higher than that. And then we'll kick off our partnership with Novozymes to continue to work with them to move up the J Curve and we believe quickly, we can get to the 53 type pro within six to eight months and then from there start to move up. As we lay out, 53 would be the first stop; 56 is the next stop, we think that's a year to 18- month development program. And then from there move up to J curve, which is a two to three year development program to get the 60 Pro with novel ingredients. I think the key is that it's a combination of not just the high pro but also some ingredients that we've been using in our aqua trials and in our aqua feeds that we've been producing for some of our customers already through the Optimal venture. And so from that standpoint, I think we'll move very quickly to 53. And then from there step by step as we move up the J curve.

AdamSamuelson

Analyst

Okay. And then just finally for me just on the base ethanol outlook and any comments on exports. And I know I mean the phase one trade deal did include ethanol in the language - in the document. Any signs of any product inquiries from Chinese customers? Any sense that they're getting the tariff waivers to really make that arb, make more sense of that current fuel prices? Just as comments on that demand outlook ramping up a little bit.

ToddBecker

Analyst

There is some discussion. We're going to learn a lot more later this week, but we're going to have to wait and see on that. I don't think anybody's seen much inquiry on the phase 1 trade deal yet as we're just - obviously we got a trade deal but we also got a virus at the same time. So as we work through that, and as the administration said, they've talked to their counterparts in China that they're going to continue on with their idea that they're going to purchase these products. So our view is constructive. I think we'll learn a lot more potentially later this week. We have been told that ethanol and DDGs are included in the trade deal. And we're hopeful that that will learn more soon. But in terms of inquiries, I'm not sure anybody has seen very much at all, on any of these products yet as I think the virus put it off just a bit.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Pavel Molchanov with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

PavelMolchanov

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Thanks for taking the question. Actually going back to the previous one regarding China. Have you gotten any clarity from your kind of traditional Chinese counterparts? Is the tariff 70% tariff on U.S. ethanol will be lifted at any point in the foreseeable future as part of phase 1?

ToddBecker

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Well, yes, I mean I think we know that from what we've heard- what we've been told is the 70% will go down to their more traditional level. And then from there, what we're hearing is positive developments in terms of it could go lower than what it was before we started. So but thus far all we've been told is the 70% was a level that was put on as punitive when they increase tariffs on many products during the trade war. And I think we'll go back to our normal, I think it was 20% to 30% tariff. I don't know the exact number off top my head but it was 20% to 30% tariff originally. And then the potential for that to even go down further. So yes, I think we're going to come off to high one. But again, what happens after that we don't know yet.

PavelMolchanov

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Okay. And in that context, China's decision, this was actually before the virus to suspend it E10 mandate for 2020. Do you have any sense of when they may restore kind of revive the E10 target?

ToddBecker

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

I think there's some confusion in that as well. I mean when you look at the announcement E10 is already being -has been accepted and being used in many provinces and many large provinces. And so while that came out, it doesn't necessarily affect the fact that they still blend ethanol and still want to blend ethanol. I think what they realize is that internally it's going to be hard to hit some of these mandates because they haven't built plants and they don't have those plants. But that doesn't mean they're not going to buy ethanol at all. In fact, we remain very constructive on a Chinese ethanol demand going forward. Even without that because I don't think that that was really that impactful to what our program will because even if they use E5 or E6, it's still as a significant amount. But some provinces have already made the switch fully to E10. And we believe they will continue to buy that even more aggressively as these trade barriers are lifted.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Bienvenu with Stephens. Your line is now open.

BenBienvenu

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning. I wanted to ask, so you guys sold 230 million gallons of ethanol in the quarter which is just shy of 80% of the capacity. I assume that's because of Wood River and Madison being down for Project 24 petition and then some improvements at Madison, is that right?

ToddBecker

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

That's correct. So if you take a Wood River plant, which produces about 9 million gallon a month and a Madison about 8 million gallons a month. That'd be 17 million gallons month times, approximately a couple of months of production overall. And so yes, that wouldn't - that negatively impacted our quarter. And it negatively affected our EBITDA per gallon because those plants both had positive EBITDA margins during some of the highest margins experience. And they were down and they were offline. So we were unable to take advantage of that at two large plants, which we think overall, affected our quarter by $0.02 to $0.03 a gallon on our ethanol gallon. But look, that's a short term investment for a long term solution. And so we knew that the risk is when any of our plants go down for these transformations that we would be potentially giving up margin opportunity. That's what happened in the fourth quarter.

BenBienvenu

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Got it. Okay. So as you guys work through Project 24 implementations in 2020, what percentage of your capacity would you expect to be offline in the midst of that?

ToddBecker

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

So we're probably going to take offline one plant a month for - and there's just for call two to three weeks is the switchover time depending on the size of the project at each plant. So potentially, it's one plant per month for two thirds of the month that would be down starting with the first three that are going down right now. There's two small ones and one big one. And then after that another small one goes down, and then two large ones and then a small one. So it's basically going to be every couple plants become one of our bigger plants. But that's going to be over a seven month period where it's not all down during the same time.

BenBienvenu

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Okay, perfect, helpful. Thank you. And then I wanted to ask in the agribusiness segment had a nice quarter. And still total segment EBITDA down relative to the years past. I'd just be curious to hear kind of what happened in the quarter. Help us understand mechanically what drove that nice result and then how should we be thinking about that segment as it relates to kind of your full year EBITDA contribution to the overall business.

ToddBecker

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Yes, so that segment had good earnings from storage returns on grains that we had in stores that basis went up. And we're able to achieve much better sales levels. In addition, as our grind went up as well, they achieved little more service revenues. And then finally, in our Ag and energy, in the energy side, we just didn't have the same fourth quarter opportunities in our natural gas merchant businesses that we've seen in the past. Just because of reduced volatility, reduced prices and weather. And so sometimes that sometimes supercharges our quarter. It's still very committed to that program. But it just wasn't a year that it was a big contribution work in prior years past that that was often their strongest quarter in our merchant businesses. So we still think will still hit 2020 is much will return back to normal or that segment has been running for the last several years, but just not as much opportunities in our merchant energy businesses this quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Craig Irwin with Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

CraigIrwin

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning. And thanks for taking my questions. So, Todd, your comments on Project 24 both today and on previous calls have been really clear. And I should say congratulations on the progress there. Last call, you discussed a side benefit on Project 24 that you uncovered an opportunity to address natural gas usage at Wood River, the opportunity to save maybe as much as $0.08 a gallon. Can you maybe share with us whether or not you're uncovering similar side benefits as you execute Project 24? The plants that are in the pipeline for the next couple months, are there potential for projects that you're planning to execute that could deliver similar returns?

ToddBecker

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Yes, so I think if you take a history lesson on Wood River, which is really the best one to look at, when we bought that plant in 2014, it was running at $0.35 a gallon. And that's why a similar Obion plant was probably running in the low $0.20 at the time per gallon. And so that was the Delta that we needed to overcome. And a lot of it was driven by the difference in distillation and energy use and other in consistencies that were in those plants. Fast forward to today, we still -we were reducing overall our costs at Wood River but never could get much below $0.30 a gallon. We ran at sub $0.21 a gallon below $0.21 a gallon in December and a little bit above $0.21 a gallon in January. And so you can see the impact of this transformation in Project 24. That's just operating costs that basically just straight in operating costs that we outlined for you in the slide in our presentation not inclusive of energy reductions that were we're finding out as well. So what will happen is it's not just a function of reducing 2019 operating costs per gallon. Wood River was $0.30 gallon. 2020 should be in that $0.21 to $0.22 gallon. So we are going to pick up the whole $0.8 a gallon reduction and it'll run very similar to an ICM plant. Now, there are definitely a handful of ICM plants that run below $0.20 gallon and sometimes ours do even so we've, but we believe that in relative terms that gets us very close to much of the rest of anything that's ICM out there. But beyond that is the fact that our cost of good sold are going to go down as well…

CraigIrwin

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Great, thank you for that. So then high pro, I guess, we've been hearing that the pricing is maybe in the range -pricing for the offtake agreements, just making the range of roughly $100 over soy meal. Can you maybe discuss that? And whether or not there's opportunity for this to achieve a greater premium as maybe some of the things you're working on with Novozymes and greater customer experience out there accumulates over time.

ToddBecker

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Yes, so our first contract was not quite 100, but was not far from that in terms of just value for 50% protein being put into Aqua and into pet. And so that was the first step and it's really a function of getting it in more aggressively and consistently into products where it gets on the label or gets into the diet. And once it's in, we believe it will stay in and so that's why our initial customer came back and up and upsize the original offtake agreement because it's working so well for them. And they liked the product so much. With that said though most interesting is the question being will Aqua loses this product to pet or will pet loses product Aqua or will be it'd be enough for both. Today, it's a comp; it's a bit of a competition starting at the 50 pro because it does have other qualities around. Amino acid around other factors in terms of certain things in the diet and certain things that happen in the process. So they liked the product a lot. It's already been included in all veg diets and poultry producers, as well. And so we're starting to see that are coming because the way that they like the product as well. But I think going forward as we move up the protein curve, it's not a linear curve in terms of value of protein. The high protein soy meal has been at 47% on High Pro forever. We and not really going much higher are the great thing about High Pro coming out of an ethanol plant is the fact that starts are using the Fluid Quip system it starts at 50 Pro mechanically before you even do anything else. And then you can start to move up to curve and I gave you those numbers. So, we believe there's another $100 to $150 a ton if you can get the 53 Pro and we believe there's another $300 a ton to get to 56 Pro and each $100 a ton is worth about $0.06 to $0.07 a gallon of uplift in the ethanol margin. So we're very excited about it. And we know it works because the off-take have been increased because we've been delivering the product to our customer from alternative sources that are producing today as the industry does not have a lot of redundancy and we're helping each other out, but more so we're very excited to start delivering them our first products next month and start to include those. So, we have a plenty of interest for off-take agreements from multiple different species. And we believe that when we announced as we get close to announce the second location, our goal is to have an off-take agreement very close behind that or at the same time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Elvira Scotto with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

ElviraScotto

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Good morning, everyone. This question is on the MLP. So given all the transformation at GPRE, can you talk about how Green Plains Partners fits in the broader Green Plains strategy?

ToddBecker

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Actually, the great thing about what we're doing at Green Plains is the fact that in order to be very successful in Green Plains 2.0 and their total transformation plan. Our generation one platform has to operate continually at high levels and at low cost, which is very beneficial, we believe for the MLP going forward, as we have stated publicly, we want to run higher than 90%. We ran a 94% in December and we want to continue to run as hard as we can going forward, which then increases the volumes, at least or stabilizes and potentially increases the volumes at the MLP for everything that goes through there, which keeps the dividend and the distribution very, very stable and potentially growing. So our view is that it's very constructive for GPP to have Green Plains transform, reduce our costs, and run more consistently than we have in the past. In addition, the way - that we used to be the governor of supply and reduce our supplies during low margin environments. We don't really have to do that anymore. As we lose more money, reducing them we do running. So overall and then you take into consideration things like China, E15. Our terminal in Birmingham, which is very well, running very well with much capacity, goes through it. So overall, we think it's very beneficial to Green Plains Partners for us to do everything we're doing to invest behind it in our original generation one platform.

ElviraScotto

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then just as a follow-up, I think, you've said that, you want to grow Green Plains and maybe diversify the asset mix beyond ethanol. So, when we think about Green Plains partners, sorry, I was talking about GPP. Do have any sort of targets in terms of - what's the target for third parties as a percent of GPP customer base, or, what kind of diversification across products you're thinking of?

ToddBecker

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yes. We have targets to reduce the dependence on Green Plains as a parent organization to GPP. And get it to be more independent in terms of volumes that go through. And so I think as we've been fixing Green Plains and getting it to a point where it can operate more consistently in any environment and drive more volumes for granting partners assets. Our goal now is to start to refocus on what we originally have put in place at Green plains Partners to expand it as a vehicle to find third party terminals that we believe we can help in terms of our own volume going through there as a base volume, but having a multi-product terminal, because ethanol is always a very important part of a lot of terminals that we see or whatever that we go through. And so overall, we are starting to then reassess how to grow Green Plains Partners in the future, and use it as the vehicle it was originally intended for and reduce the dependence on sponsor volumes

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

LaurenceAlexander

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Good morning. Two questions. One is can you speak a little bit about how you see your competitive moat evolving? And I am thinking in terms which of your competitors have the knowledge of the agriculture markets to follow you along this path? And then which assets can follow you along this path of optimization? And are the assets that can be upgraded in the wrong hands to actually be upgraded? And then the second question is can you speak a little bit about -it's been a very long time since I've heard you this enthusiastic about a platform. Can you speak a little bit about how you see the guardrails? That is what would have to go wrong for you to pivot and say it's time to look for something else.

ToddBecker

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Well, in terms of the competitive moat, we know that the customers we deal with will not buy and not depend on a single location, high protein production facility because if that one location goes down, there's no redundancy. And they are very dependent on a high level of quality assurance and quality controls to make sure their product causes no damage to their diet, or their or what they're using it for. And so we believe that alone is a potential competitive moat, which is why we are -we have to work together with those who have also put it in to their locations. There's only a few so that we can provide some initial redundancy but our goal to roll it out to all 13 facilities provides an Aqua customer - aquaculture customer globally or domestically with redundancies which is extremely important. And it's not just redundancies in volume and redundancies in quality and quality control and so while certainly there will be more of these built, we all - the key to building these a protein operation is to maintain quality, but also to maintain price discipline on this product because it would be the dream of many for us to produce a lot of high protein and commoditize it and reduce the price. But I don't think that we're on any type of path as an industry to do that. And anybody that's looked at high protein understands in our view, when you get into the 50s and the 60s that is a very unique special product that needs to be protected at all costs. And so, you know, I think that those that are interested in high protein around the industry understand some of that, and believe that if there -because it's not a cheap…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

EricStine

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Good morning. I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit on kind of your updated thinking on marginal production in the industry. I know, if you went - if we went back a couple quarters, it kind of looked like given the financial troubles, given the market conditions that there was actually a structural change underway. And now your commentary today would suggest that some of those didn't even happen. Some of those plants didn't even come down. I mean how long do you think that these marginal plants can hang on in this current environment? Just updated thoughts would be great.

ToddBecker

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Yes, I think, I mean, we are very surprised by the EIA data. We're actually not sure, if it's correct or not, but that's all we have, okay. This is obviously first quarter is always a weak quarter, cyclically it's week and we're living up to our expectations this quarter as well. But during the fourth quarter, we did see reductions down to [9.60] a day and we saw that evidence of that. I think if we didn't reach a breaking point of these lower quartile plants then I do believe now we are in this 30-day period where people are going to have to make decisions on what they want to do in terms of cash burn, and whether they should be running or not. I think someone to try to make it to the first quarter to see if they can get the driving season. But I'm not sure, I think the banks have reached their breaking point as well in terms of allowing plants to term out their revolvers and that happened last year as margins got better. So I think we're at that point. It kind of feels like we're at that point where the bottom 10%, 20% of this industry is does not have a lot of capital left to continue, if any, to continue to support running. Look, we just needed to get back to that 9.60 a day. And we'd be in a very different margin situation. And 9.60 a day, we had margins throughout 2020 along the whole curve and high-single-digits. And we hadn't seen that for a while. So we're going to have to watch production closely. It's a combination of production and stocks, I mean, stocks right now at $23 million barrels are high. And we need those to come down as well. But overall, I think it feels like we are starting to reach some breaking points on some of the industry players out there and we'll see what see how the reaction is. But overall it does - we're not - it doesn't take much of a Chinese program and some E15 to kick-in. But we have shown that we could also make a lot ethanol very fast. So our view is that, let's continue to build our protein. Let's continue to do the things with Project 24. And if we had all of those in line today you will be the result of 2020 and the last page of our page of our slide deck.

EricStine

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then last one for me in the release, you mentioned, being complete with the portfolio optimization plan. I mean, should we take that as plant sales that you're done with those? Or is that something that you still would consider, if you're able to accelerate, you know, Project 24 in the high protein initiatives?

ToddBecker

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Yes, I mean, look, I don't think today, the market is very deep for people that want ethanol plants at this moment. I can never say that we wouldn't continue on with the program with right - if there was something there that would help us accelerate Project 24. But at this point, we don't have very active processes going on just because of the kind of last three to four months and ethanol has put some people on the sidelines. I do believe, overall, there's still a demand for good plants. Our goal is to get all of our plants to look like and feel like the best plants in the industry. Because I think there's a misconception that a Delta-T is not an ICM or Vogelbusch is not an ICM, and really, it comes down to the middle of the plant, which is what we work with an ICM to basically transform all our plants. The front end is the same, where you grind the corn and, add the yeast and chemicals to an enzyme to transform it into sugar, the middle of the plant and fermentation and distillation, obviously, is where the money's made. And that's why we're Trans putting basically full ICM systems into the middle of our plant and the backend of the plant. And you know, load out distribution, that's all the same. So, we didn't want to just sell plants to sell plants when we knew we can invest under about $0.10 gallon for upgrade. They pay us back about $0.10 gallon. And so we believe when we come out of Project 24, you will not be able to differentiate our technology from the best technology in the industry, and that we believe alone in any margin recovery environment increases the value of our assets aggressively, and then from there, put protein on top of that, and then you start to be able to really start to predict cash flows over and above ethanol margins and even if ethanol margins are zero. Because of what we've done in Project 24 utilizing the protein in our total transformation plan, we could be earning $0.15 to $0.30 gallon just on protein alone and, that's really to transformation that is run plant very best you can, low cost, drive your costs down; your generation one assets, buying it better and selling it better and making it better is extremely important. And then moving into the protein which just basically stabilizes and cash flows to be very predictable and you'll be able to see that most of- we probably will not just build a protein production facility without significant offtake agreements, and we believe that for every protein facility we will build, we will have an offtake agreement if we want one.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Kenneth Zaslow with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

UnidentifiedAnalyst

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hi, everybody. This is actually Ben on for Ken. I just have one question for you today. Just wondering about the domestic demand environment. And what is assumed in your 15.8 billion gallon sort of base case assumption? And does RFS have any upside to that given the recent court ruling? Thanks.

ToddBecker

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yes. And so that we use the 14.3 billion as the base demand, but we also know that any waiver issued will be added to 15 billion and then reduce back to 15 billion from the standpoint of that's the base demand in the United States. Now you can buy RIN and get out of the blending requirement, if you're a blender and not blend 15 or you can blend it and make $0.20 to $0.30 gallon and the blend and not buy the RIN. So our view is that while I outlined to you that 14.3 billion gallons is 10% of the fuel supply today, 15 billion does equal 15 billion one way or the other. So we're either going to reduce the RIN bank through these -through the 15 billion equals 15 billion program and people have to buy RIN to get out of their blending. Or with this recent court ruling, people will just blend 15 billion and it'll come through a little bit of E15 uplift and potentially the rest of just increase blends overall, as we are working very hard with EPA and re-labeling and labeling concerns that we've had around the E15 from the beginning, but more importantly is what the press Putting this budget around E15 infrastructure. And we think that could even move very, very fast to start to roll out E15 on a much bigger platform nationwide. In fact, New York, obviously, they've approved it. So while I use 14.3, if you use 15, and use 700 million gallons, all of a sudden, you are 10 million, 15 million, 20 million barrels more of demand, and you can take care of that supply - put that supply overhang very quickly. So, it's really hard to say, what the blender will do because I think they're nervous about the outcome of this ruling. And our view is the 10th circuit is the law that DPA must comply within and they probably won't do much with that. They probably won't do much to appeal that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Chief Executive Officer, Todd Becker for any closing remarks.

Todd Becker

Management

Yes, thanks for coming on the call today. We are embarking, we've left portfolio optimization behind and embarking on total transformation. We think we have a great plan. We're all - we're going to figure out how we finance this plan. It's transformational to the way Green Plains looks in the future. It helps out all of our ESG initiatives that we're embarking on. And we believe that it will put Green Plains into a very good position in the future to give you predictable cash flows and predictable earnings streams, while reducing volatility, the original generation one environment. So thanks for supporting us coming on the call and we'll talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.