Jack Taylor
Analyst · KBW. Please state your question.
So let me talk about the dividend first. It's something that we discussed with the Board, and it's their decision. There's a variety of reasons to sustain it given that we expect, though it's very hard to project when, we will be able to start covering the dividend, and that will be dependent upon resolutions and prepayments. And candidly, the start of originations, which will be sometime in the latter half, as we've said, of 2025. Secondly, the REO - if you look at our credit performance as a percentage of REO combined with reserves, we have a much larger reserve number, because we haven't taken as much into REO. But we're basically running with a substantial number of competitors at about the same level of REO plus reserve numbers. Now we found that we've been able to, if the borrower is not the problem, but is part of the solution. And even if they're - and we've maintained excellent relationships, even if they are in an out-of-the-money situation, or believe that they substantially are or they're at risk, we will work with them. And in many cases, I don't want to say many, but multiple cases, we've taken in the - with such a borrower, we've worked very intensely with them, and we have acquired a percentage of the upside for future recovery. So what you - we've addressed it in a different way. Secondly, the - in some of these situations, maintaining good liabilities, right, instead of replacing it with what it would be, say for a distressed office asset much more expensive liabilities, we've been able to maintain very valuable liabilities by not taking it into REO, keeping the asset. And as I said, in some cases, keeping a percentage of the upside. So we - I acknowledge what you're saying that we have less REO as a percentage, and more reserves, if you will, because we're carrying these loans. But we have been taking properties back when it's been, like in the Miami situation, where the borrower certainly wasn't part of the solution, and in other situations like in the suburban Boston. So it's kind of a complex answer, but that's our view on it is that it's - preserving liabilities that are quite valuable and in many cases, getting a percentage of the upside.