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Granite Point Mortgage Trust Inc. (GPMT)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 11, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Granite Point Mortgage Trust Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Ms. Maggie Field [ph] with Investor Relations for Granite Point. Ms. Field [ph], the floor is yours, ma'am.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Thank you, Operator, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Granite Point's third quarter 2017 financial results. With me on the call this morning are Jack Taylor, our President and CEO; Marcin Urbaszek, our CFO; Steve Alpart, our CIO; and Steve Plust, our COO. After my introductory comments, Jack will provide a brief recap of our business strategy, a market update, and some business highlights. Steve Alpart will discuss our third quarter originations and portfolio, and Marcin will highlight key items from our financials. The press release and financial tables associated with today's call were filed yesterday with the SEC. If you do not have a copy you may find them on our Web site or on the SEC's Web site at sec.gov. In our earnings release and slides, which are now posted in the Investor Relations section of our Web site, we have provided a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures. We urge you to review this information in conjunction with today's call. I would also like to mention that this call is being webcast and may be accessed on our Web site in the same location. Before I turn the call over to Jack, I would like to remind you that remarks made by management during this conference and the supporting slides may include forward-looking statement. Forward-looking statements reflect our views regarding future events and are typically associated with the words such as anticipate, expect, estimate, and believe or other such words. We caution investors not to rely unduly on forward-looking statements. They imply risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from expectations. We urge you to carefully consider the risks described in our filings with the SEC which can be obtained on the SEC's Web site at sec.gov. We do not undertake any obligation to update or correct any forward-looking statement if later events prove them to be inaccurate. I will now turn the call over to Jack.

Jack Taylor

Analyst

Thank you, Maggie, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. On behalf of the company and our Board of Directors, we would like to welcome all of our investors and analysts. Thank you all for your support of our business. The last few months have been quite active between completing our IPO and formation transactions, establishing a significant initial $2 billion borrowing capacity with several large financial institutions and commencing the investment of capital. As a reminder, Granite Point was formed in order to continue and grow the commercial real estate lending established by Two Harbors, in 2015. As part of the formation transaction Two Harbors contributed its commercial lending business to Granite Point. This included a portfolio of approximately $1.8 billion in assets primarily in loans that the Granite Point team had originated on behalf of Two Harbors. In exchange for the contribution, Two Harbors received approximately 33.1 million shares of Granite Point common stock. Since quarter end, Two Harbors has completed the distribution of its Granite Point common stock to its shareholders. This distribution allows Granite Point to have a fully floating market capitalization, which we believe provides our investors with significant liquidity in our stock. Please turn to slide two of the presentation. For those of you who are new to our company I'd like to take a couple of minutes to review our business strategy and discuss our view of the current market environment. Granite Point is focused on directly originating and managing senior floating rate commercial real estate loans. We employ a fundamental, value-driven investment approach backed by an intensive credit diligence with cash flow as a key underwriting metric. Our aim is to construct on an asset-by-asset basis a portfolio that is well diversified across markets…

Steve Alpart

Analyst

Thank you, Jack, and appreciate everyone's time this morning. I'd like to spend a few minutes reviewing our third quarter originations and highlighting our progress so far in the fourth quarter, and will then provide some key metrics on our portfolio. Let's turn to slide five, we had a great third quarter of originations. We originated 11 senior floating rate loans, representing total commitments of approximately $450 million. Additionally, we funded over $390 million and experienced no repayments in our portfolio. Importantly, we have long-standing relationships with the majority of these sponsors which speak to our ability to directly originate loans through our platform. Our third quarter originations are secured by existing, high-quality, income-producing properties across our target markets and various property types. Nine of these loans, totaling approximately 80% of the fully funded loan amounts, are secured by office properties and apartment properties. Remaining 20% are secured by industrial and hotel properties. We continue to be highly selective in retail and hotel. The largest percent of these originations by loan amount are secured by properties in the Northeast, with the rest spread across the Southwest, Southeast, Midwest, and West regions. The characteristics of these loans and the return profiles are in line with our overall investment targets. Our third quarter originations demonstrate the flexibility of our platform and ability to execute on a variety of financings, ranging in size from $125 million loan secured by an office building in the Northeast, to a $21.5 million loan on an apartment property in the Southeast. Importantly, each of the financing structures was customized to meet the individual business plans of our borrowers without compromising on credit protection. Turning to the fourth quarter, we continue to see a strong flow of investment opportunities. We have made total commitments to date of approximately…

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Thank you, Steve, and good morning everyone. I will spend a few minutes discussing our financial performance as well as our capitalization and liquidity. Our GAAP net income for the third quarter was $11.5 million or $0.27 per share. Core earnings, which is GAAP earnings adjusted for non-cash equity compensation expense, was $11.9 million or $0.28 per share. Taxable income for the third quarter was $14.3 million or $0.33 per share. Our book value per share was $19.22. Turning to slide nine, let's touch on a few drivers of our earnings and quarterly dividend. We had a strong quarter in terms of originations and putting capital to work. As is generally the case in this sector, it is hard to control when the loans actually close and fund. Our third quarter originations were weighted towards the end of the quarter, which impacted our earnings for the period. The earnings impact of our third quarter originations will be more fully realized in the fourth quarter of this year. Since the company is in the growth and capital deployment phase, timing of loan closings can have a material impact on quarterly results. Over time however each incremental investment should have a less material impact on our results going forward. Let's discuss our dividend and its drivers. When setting our dividend, our Board and management team consider multiple factors including our current and projected profitability, sustainability of our dividend, and our taxable income. Tax planning and compliance are important elements of maintaining our REIT eligibility. During our formation transaction contribution of the commercial real estate lending business from Two Harbors was treated as a sale for tax purposes. As a result, we recognized a lower tax basis than GAAP basis of approximately $22 million at the time of the transaction. This GAAP-to-tax difference…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And the first we have will come from Jade Rahmani of KBW.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Thanks very much. In terms of the liquidity you sited, is that reflective of optimal leverage in the 2.5 to 3 times range that you cited, or is that based on your current borrowing capacity which could potentially increase.

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Hi, Jade. This is Marcin. Thanks for joining us, nice to speak with you again. I would say this is based on our current available capital and capacity. I think we'll get to that 2.5 to 3 times hopefully over the next few quarters.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Okay. Do you have sense of what the headwind from the timing of originations was in the quarter? I suspect that's one of the reasons the stock is modestly weak today.

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Sure. Hi, it's Marcin again. I would say, as we mentioned, a significant amount of our loans close in the second half and towards the end of the quarter. I would say it's a couple of pennies of earnings in Q3. And I would say that, as Steve mentioned in this remarks, considering it's almost mid-November when we closed two loans so far, I would expect probably similar pattern in the fourth quarter in terms of closings later in the quarter.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

I think you've, in the past, mentioned your emphasis on cash-flowing assets. Would you be able to give some color on the overall portfolio occupancy rate, debt service ratio or debt yield just to give investors and analysts a sense of level of the light transition?

Steve Alpart

Analyst

Hi, Jade. It's Steve Alpart, that's for that question. So yes, as we've mentioned, we're continuing to focus on existing properties. The majority of these properties have cash flow in place. And just to give you a sense, like the third quarter for example, the average going in debt yields was in the mix sixes [ph]. And the fact that a lot of these properties are multifamily properties that seem to have a lower cap rate, I think that's reflective of our overall focus on deals with some cash flow in place.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

And generally, where would you say you're finding the most value, and could you give any examples of areas that you're avoiding?

Steve Alpart

Analyst

Sure. It's Steve again, I'll take that. So, about 70% of our portfolio, as you can see in some of the charts right now, is in office and multifamily properties. And we continue to like those sectors. As you heard me say earlier, we're selective on retail and hotel. We're always looking for high-quality industrial. We do have some industrial in our portfolio. But a lot of the big institutions and public REITs dominate that sector, but we're also looking for high quality industrial. There's a few asset classes that we're not focused on, residential condo loans, land loans would be examples of that. And as you heard Jack say earlier, as far as geographies, continue to focus on primarily top 25 MSA, selectively we'll go to MSAs 26 through 50. There's no regions in the country that we would say are red lines, but there are certainly some regions of the country that we would probably be very quite on generally characterized as not a lot of economic drivers, and not a lot of economic growth, but seeing [ph] a lot of opportunities in the top 25 MSA.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

I was wondering on the office exposure; think about trends in space utilization. If you have a property that's nearly entirely occupied but has, for example, a lot of law firms or businesses that in the past have used more square footage. Now how do you underwrite that?

Steve Alpart

Analyst

Hi, it's Steve again. So look, it's always going to be asset by asset, market by market, corner by corner analysis. So every situation is a little bit different. But we're obviously aware of the overall trends in the office space. We're going to look at each investment on a fundamental basis. We're going to look at the property, the location, the market, the sponsor. The other thing I would point out is that we're not underwriting to markets improving. The typical profile that we would have would be a deal that's great building, great location, very strong sponsor, well capitalized, lost a tenant or has a rollover coming up, maybe undercapitalized. And we're underwriting to get that property back up to market. So your question about space utilization is an element in that overall analysis. And it's because a lot of factors go into the underwriting.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Thanks very much for taking the questions.

Steve Alpart

Analyst

Sure, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next we have will come from Steve Delaney of JMP Securities.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for taking the question. I'd like to start with payoffs. I didn't pick you in the release or your comments that there were any. Were there no payoffs in the portfolio in the third quarter?

Steve Plust

Analyst

Steve, hi. This is Steve Plust, and I'll handle that question.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Hi, Steve.

Steve Plust

Analyst

Hi. As of September 30, we had no prepayments at all.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay, great. And looking out -- I mean obviously you've been lending for some time so over the last couple of years as you were building up the company and the portfolio, if you look out, Steve, over the next two quarters, and I realized it's very difficult to time something between, say, the fourth quarter this year and the first quarter. So maybe on a combined basis over the next six months, are you seeing some scheduled repayments or expected-early repayments over the next months?

Steve Plust

Analyst

Steve, hi, this is Steve Plust again. As far as the fourth quarter is concerned, we've had one de minimis $10 million prepayment so far. We may have one or two more in the quarter which would be less than $100 million, maybe $50 million to $75 million for the quarter. And as we project forward we think in terms of the status of the sponsor's business plan generally as the best predictor of prepays in our portfolio.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Right.

Steve Plust

Analyst

And historically, as we've looked at our portfolio these are three to five-year loans with sponsors with business plans that range from two to four years. So historically, we think that our portfolio in a mature and stabilized manner might add 25% prepays per year.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Per year, okay, great. Now, that's very helpful for the near-term. Thank you so much. Also, just curious on how you guys see your capital markets' flexibility? Maybe a little premature here, you've just done your IPO. But when I look at your capital structure you have $830 million of common equity, so no corporate debt, no unsecured corporate debt at this time. Now I believe you have a wait a period of time to have it in kind of a shelf registration. But as you look at your business over the next year or two, to the extent that you become, you hit that 2.5 leverage, and maybe you don't want to push it too much higher. Do you look at your situation as one where you have the flexibility to issue unsecured corporate notes or possibly convertible notes some time over the next 12 months?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Hi, Steve, this is Marcin. Thanks…

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Hi, Marcin.

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

I would say, look, I think our overall philosophy on just generally capital raising, first and foremost obviously we have to make sense for our shareholders. We have, as you've heard, good use of capital right now, great originations. I think as a public company we obviously have a variety of options available to us from debt, through preferred, through equity, we will look at all those as appropriate and when we have potential needs. I think we have as of right now, I mentioned earlier, we have ample capital for the near-term, and we'll look to stabilize the company and kind of evaluate options as we move forward with our business plan.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay, thank you. And just a final thing for me, leverage, I look at our model and we clearly see you getting to 2.5. We hear a lot of people say three times is sort of a practical limit. But frankly we're not seeing many senior floating rate lenders actually get to that level on any kind of a consistent basis. And I'm just curious as you model the company and look towards your IPO, can you say whether 3.0 is realistic. And if I or any other analyst had, say, a 2.9 to 3.0 leverage level in say early 2019, would you look at that as being too aggressive on my part? Thank you. That's my last question.

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Sure. Thanks Steve, it's Marcin again. I'll say, look, generally when we think about leverage 2.5 to 3 times on a corporate basis that'll also have some potential obviously liquidity and cash and unencumbered assets. When we look at on an asset basis kind of the standard is 75% advance, so three times debt-to-equity on a loan by loan. And additionally when we think of leverage we think of kind of recourse leverage. If there is an opportunity to do something in that market that non-recourse our overall reported leverage may get closer to that three or higher depending on the opportunities. But I would say 2.5 to three times is kind of the target. So from your modeling perspective I don't think you would too far off in terms of how we're thinking about it.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate the comments. Thank you.

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Operator

And next we have Rick Shane of J.P. Morgan.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Hi guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Really two things here, I appreciate the outlook in terms of dividend for the fourth quarter as things are ramping up it's important to sort of have that context. I am curious though how to think about the characterization of that dividend. Are you changing dividend policy in the short-term or will this be fully covered from taxable income in the fourth quarter?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Hi, Rick. This is Marcin. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for the question. I think our overall dividend policy, as I mentioned earlier, involves multiple factors. Taxable income obviously is a driver considering we are a REIT. As a REIT we're required to pay out 90% of taxable income. We will be in compliance with that. But I will mention that as you saw the taxable income being obviously higher than GAAP and core there will be some of that disconnect for the next couple years. But taxable and overall profitability and sustainability of our dividend, those are going to be our drivers for the next couple of years.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Got it. Second question, when we think about spread compression in this space, one of the things that we've basically seen is that it feels like the asset sensitivity in this space is basically being given back to the market in terms of spread compression. Do you think over time you will be able to achieve the asset sensitivity of the floating rate loans?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Hi, Rick. It's Marcin again. I think if you look at our reported yields over the last couple of quarters the 6.2 to 6.4 as we reported on kind of realized yield basis, we do believe that there is some asset sensitivity obviously. In terms of overall spread compression, as I'm sure I've heard from others, there has been some early in the year. The one thing that we'll point out our lenders and financing providers have been working with us as well to help accommodate some of that. But I think overall, we feel pretty good about being asset-sensitive to rising LIBOR. So there should be a benefit in our earnings going forward.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Got it, okay. Thank you very much guys.

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Thank you for the question.

Operator

Operator

And the next question we have will come from Fred Small with Compass Point.

Fred Small

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Did you give a weighted average portfolio balance for the quarter?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Hi Fred, this is Marcin. Thanks for joining us. If you look in our presentation, on page 15 of the appendix, we provide average balances by category. So that should help you with that.

Fred Small

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank. And then I guess I didn't fully understand your [Technical Difficulty]

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Fred, you're breaking up. We can't really hear you.

Fred Small

Analyst

Sorry. [Technical Difficulty]

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Sorry, could you repeat that. I picked up the dividend guidance, and as it relates to what, I'm sorry?

Fred Small

Analyst

Do you think core earnings will cover the dividend guidance for the fourth quarter?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Okay, thank you. Look, I think as I said earlier, we have taxable income that's in excess of GAAP and core earnings. We expect that to continue for the next couple of years, as I mentioned earlier as a result of the formation transaction. I think if you look at our core this quarter, our dividend and taxable, I would expect that relationship to persist. Obviously on a per-share basis it's hard to quantify that as the company grows. But overall, I would expect taxable to be in excess of core. And obviously taxable is a big driver of our dividends.

Fred Small

Analyst

Okay, sure. I mean, what here maps most closely to cash, is it core or taxable?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

I would say most of our earnings is cash. I think core is probably the best estimate of cash, so I would probably point to that.

Fred Small

Analyst

Okay. So the -- just so I understand correctly, the difference you're talking about between the core and the taxable is mostly non-cash?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

It's an accretion that we have to recognize for tax purposes as a result of the $22 million GAAP-to-tax difference that we discussed earlier.

Fred Small

Analyst

Okay. And then last one just on expenses in the quarter were a little bit -- just G&A was a little bit higher than you're run rating in the first half. Is there anything one-time in that or is the current level sort of what you expect going forward?

Marcin Urbaszek

Analyst

Sure, thanks. It's Marcin. And I would say considering the company is nearly public as of the end of June, we do have additional costs related to public company infrastructure and just public company expenses, whether it's legal, insurance, Board, and things like that. So it's hard to make comparisons when the business was part of Two Harbors. And some of those direct costs related to public company were not there. I would say our current run rate of expense is -- it's plus or minus somewhere in the range of what we had in the third quarter.

Fred Small

Analyst

All right, thanks.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a follow-up from Jade Rahmani of KBW.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Yes, was wondering if Jack of Steven could provide some color regarding the comment "Competitive landscape." Specifically I was wondering if there's been any diminution in the level of competition in the fourth quarter seasonally. And also if you're seeing any, as a result of competition, compromises from lenders in terms of structure or covenants or any other concessions being made to borrowers, fees, et cetera.

Jack Taylor

Analyst

Hi, Jade. Thank you, this is Jack Taylor. I would say that we don't think there's been any seasonal lowering of competition in the fourth quarter. It seems like there's been a healthy competition in the market that's continued for the past couple of quarters and in through the fourth quarter. And I would say we're not witnessing competitors capitulating on credit terms, we don't think that there's irrational lending occurring in order to win the deals. In fact, I would characterize the market as a free-flowing market where there's more competition on price than there is on credit.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Well, showing no further questions at this time we will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference call back over to Mr. Jack Taylor, CEO, for any closing remarks. Sir?

Jack Taylor

Analyst

Well, thank you Mike, and we appreciate your hosting us. We'd like to thank everyone for joining us today, and for your support of our business, and we look forward to speaking with you all again soon. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we thank you, sir, and also to the rest of the management team for your time also today. The conference call is now concluded. At this time, you may disconnect your lines. Again, we thank you all for participating. Take care, and have a great day.