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Operator
Operator
Good morning. My name is Ginger, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Graphic Packaging Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Brad Ankerholz, you may begin your conference.
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Bradford G. Ankerholz
Analyst
[indiscernible] and good morning, everybody. And welcome to the Graphic Packaging Holding Company's Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Call. Commenting on results this morning are David Scheible, the company's Chairman, President, and CEO; and Dan Blount, our Senior Vice President and CFO. To help you follow along with today's call, we have provided a slide presentation, which can be accessed by clicking on the Q3 earnings webcast link on the Investor Relations section of our website at graphicpkg.com. I would like to remind everyone that statements of our expectations, plans, estimates and beliefs regarding future performance and events constitute forward-looking statements. Such statements are based on currently available information and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company's present expectations. Information regarding these risks and uncertainties is contained in the company's periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Undue reliance should not be placed on forward-looking statements, as such statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and the company undertakes no obligation to update such statements. David, I'll turn it over to you now.
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Thanks, Brad. Good morning, everyone. Third quarter earnings and cash flow were in line with our expectations, and we're pleased to have delivered improved results despite -- continues to be a challenging operating environment. There is no question, we expected a stronger recovery at this point, but that's not the backdrop for our business. Despite those issues, volume in our core Paperboard Packaging segment increased 6.4%, and adjusted EBITDA increased to over $175 million. New products, acquisitions and customer wins overcame soft demand in some key end-use market areas that drove the increase in volume. Our continuous improvement initiatives, integration activities and strong operating performance kept our margins solid. Sales of new products launched in the quarter were good. Revenues from last year's European acquisitions added over $70 million in the quarter. Consumer trends continued to fuel our approach to innovation, which includes creative engagements with customers resulting in market-driven packaging solutions. Consumer needs for convenience continues to be a strategic focus for many of our new products. Replacing corrugated packaging, microwave cooking technology, quick-service dining room solutions and our Tite-Pak beer bottle cartons remain key areas of growth. In fact, during the quarter, we launched several new products, delivering more than $18 million in new product sales. We recently launched products leveraging our proprietary Litho-Flute and Z-Flute designs for cookies, cereal and popcorn in the club store channel. Additionally new strength items were launched in the cereal category with General Mills and carry [ph] ingredients under the Kirkland brand for Costco. We recently worked with Kellogg's to provide new packaging for a Special K snack bar for the on-the-go consumer. We also launched several new microwave cooking solutions in the third quarter with ConAgra Foods and T.G.I. Friday's. In the quick-serve food category, we leveraged our success with McWrap…
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Bank of America
Thanks, David, and good morning, everyone. To aid in our discussion this morning, I will follow our posted presentation. Let's begin on Slide 11, where you see that we reported adjusted third quarter EBITDA of $175 million. Adjusted earnings per share was $0.12, up $0.01 over last year. These results are in line with our previously provided guidance. During the quarter, we continued to improve financial results, as operating performance improvements, coupled with volume gains from our European acquisitions, more than offset modest price declines and inflation. As David described, the third quarter was busy, as we sold our flexible retail plastics business, and in a related activity, shut down our flexible plastics operation in Canada. Additionally we sold our URB mill. We amended our $2.4 billion senior secured facility to reduce interest expense and extend duration. And finally, we continued making progress with the integration of our European acquisitions. The combination of all these activities created numerous nonrecurring benefits and charges that rolled through the financial statements. As a result, we adjusted EBITDA and net income for the nonrecurring transactions. A reconciliation of the adjustments is included in today's earnings release and is also summarized on this slide. As you can see, reported Q3 EBITDA is almost $189 million, and adjusted EBITDA is $175 million. The main adjustments include, one, a $20 million gain from the sale of our retail plastics and URB businesses, net of the closer costs from the Canadian operation. We sold the businesses for $76 million, received $65 million in cash and took back a note for the balance. Two, a $5 million charge for European integration activity. We continue to expect European synergy benefits of $16 million to $18 million per year, starting in 2014. And finally, three, a $1.2 million charge related to…
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your first question is from Ghansham Panjabi.
Mehul M. Dalia - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: It's actually Mehul Dalia sitting in for Ghansham. Seems like there are a lot of moving parts in the Flexible business during this quarter. Can you detail some of the moving parts in that business, given the profitability weakness that was reported when stripping out that gain on the sale?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Well the primary moving parts in Flexible were the sale of the retail plastics business. The rest of the business, the overall sales on the external thing were pretty flat. The mill, as you know, had a -- we announced that this was the quarter for the downtime for our Pine Bluff, Arkansas, mill. So of course, in that period of time, we lose some tons and some EBITDA. But we -- the changes we made there are going to significantly improve the yield and throughput for that facility. So as we came out of the quarter, we started to see significant improvement in the Pine Bluff mill. And as we head into the fourth quarter, we expect the same. If you remember last quarter, I mentioned that one of our converting facilities in Philadelphia struggled in the third -- in the second quarter. By the time the end of the quarter -- the third quarter, we were breakeven to slightly positive in that facility. So we saw positive movement in Flexible as we moved through the quarter, which is why, as I said in my comments, as I move into 2014, we clearly expect that business to be double-digit EBITDA margins.
Mehul M. Dalia - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: All right, great. And more long term, I guess, ideally, how big do you think that the Flexible, the business needs to be in terms of scale?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Well, our Flex -- well, and I hate calling it Flexible because Flexible sort of things like plastics. So if you would think about it in terms of sort of -- for us, it's really now at this point, a multi-wall bag business for the most part. It is a business that we're going to make bags and make our own paper. As I said, we, for the most part, have integrated a lot of the tons in the Pine Bluff mill. So our business -- we still like the multi-wall bag business. It's still a good cash flow business. We think the EBITDA margins will get better. A lot of the substitution we've seen in plastics has really sort of hit a plateau. So there's some positive rebound back in that business, and it's a pure integrated business. So even though it's not like Paperboard, we run it very much like Paperboard now, because we've sort of gotten rid of all the ancillary things. We're already, from a critical mass standpoint, we're already big enough. That doesn't mean that we wouldn't add to the multi-wall bag portfolio if it made sense for us to do so.
Mehul M. Dalia - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Great. And last question. Given your upsized productivity target to $100 million for this year, is there any pull-forward from next year? Or are you still expecting productivity in the same range as you had previously guided to?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Bank of America
I think if you listened to the scripts of what we've told you for 2014, we expect the range to be $80 million to $100 million. And if you remember, we've made a lot of investment in Europe, and we've made investments in our bio-mass boiler, and a lot -- and those types of investments are going to start paying dividends in terms of productivity in 2014. So we're pretty confident that that's going to be a range that we can attain -- achieve.
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Daniel, [indiscernible] but by this time of the year, guys, we've already started to lay in '14 stuff, right, and what we're going to do. So we have a pretty good visibility over what our productivity stuff will be. The only caveat I will say to any of that is, and the one that everybody recognized, I said it before, is that all of that assumes a certain underlying demand. So we're not expecting a material change in demand in the business. We're assuming we're going to have save money on sort of the kind of trends that we've seen, but that's the caveat. Because a lot of our cost savings comes from throughput, better yields and so on and so forth, which assumes that you sell and run through your converting and mill assets.
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Operator
Operator
The next question is from George Staphos from Bank of America.
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Alaxandar Wang - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst · Bank of America
It's actually Alex Wang sitting in for George. First question, what is the year-over-year change in adjusted EBITDA in Paperboard? And was the performance as expected, or was there any deceleration in the period?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Bank of America
First off, we really don't -- you mean the segments, right? We really don't detail that out. We detail out in the press release operating income, right? So in terms of looking at it overall, if you want a general comment about it, all the improvements that we had generated in the growing of the $4.4 million is coming from Paperboard.
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
And we realized, Alex, it's sort of a confusing quarter to look through with all the changes. But a lot of the flexible improvement was really sort of from the sale and from accounting stuff. If you look at true improvement, so EBITDA improvement year-on-year, it came from Paperboard. We sold more tons. Our acquisitions were positive and contributed. And despite the fact there were some volume issues -- some demand issues in subsegments of Paperboard, overall, overall Paperboard sales were up. And that translated to increased EBITDA.
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Alaxandar Wang - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst · Bank of America
And second question, was there any impact on reported operating comparisons from the mill divestitures in the quarter?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Bank of America
That was really a small divestiture. And so it's not -- it's so insignificant that it's not even worth even thinking about at this point. I mean, that was a small URB mill, and it sold for a relatively small amount of money as well.
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
I mean, just on a perspective basis, Alex, we make, say, roughly 2.5 million tons. That mill made 50,000. So you won't -- we won't even -- we will really totally -- you wouldn't expect a significant impact on our business. And by the way, it's also the lower end of the profitability tons because it's uncoated recycled paper. So if you look in our -- from SUS, and kraft and the CRB, this was the lower end of the profit pool for us.
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Alaxandar Wang - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst · Bank of America
Got it. And then just lastly, maybe, if you can talk about overall, what kind of volume rates are you seeing in early 4Q?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Well I don't usually give a lot of those day-to-day guidance. It's not because I'm trying not to, it's just that for a business this size, giving day-to-day trends doesn't help much. But what I would tell you is beer has continued to be strong. Cereal has continued to struggle, I think, relative to what we saw in the third quarter. It feels about the same. So I would say, our planning or our focus on demand trends at this point in time is saying, we would not expect to see a significantly different trend than we saw in the quarter, in the third quarter. Europe is still doing well. The multi-wall bag business has got some improvement in its trends. But I think for the most part, consumer is still pretty challenged, guys. I mean, unemployment rates are not great. Fuel costs are still up, relatively speaking. The consumer's challenged, and it's certainly impacting demand.
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Operator
Operator
Next question is from Alex Ovshey from Goldman Sachs.
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Usha Chundru Guntupalli - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
It's actually Usha Guntupalli sitting in for Alex. First question. So for the $30 million to $40 million pricing benefit outlook for 2014, could you help us understand how you're thinking about it? Because looking at the price increases announced so far, seems like a low number.
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
Yes. I think as we've talked about before, our contracts that use board price increases, they're delayed. So some of these -- the increases we got in Paperboard in the third quarter, we won't even start to see some of those roll through until fourth quarter of next year, right, in many of those things. So it's just a roll through. If you look at the overall, we would say that overall pricing impact to the enterprise over a 2-year period of time is going to be well over $100 million. Well over. You shoot all in 40, you're all -- I'm sorry, next year, what you're actually going to see is probably around that $40 million range that will impact the business. Our run rate as we exit '14 will be materially higher, and that's based on our current estimate on the process.
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Usha Chundru Guntupalli - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
That's helpful. And what are you hearing from your customers on forward demand outlook for fourth quarter in '14? Do you get a sense that there's increased focus on promotions for boosting volumes?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
I get a sense that they believe that volumes are going to get better. I do not get a sense that they know why. So what I would say is that there's a lot more promotional activity going on. Our customers are optimistic about their demand and the recovery in the process. I'm going to be a little more cautious in -- you're going to have to actually show me before I'm buying into it. And I think that's about all we can say at this point in time. The data is just not -- is not very precise. I do know this: I certainly know that beer is better. I know that -- we cannot see a specific catalyst in soft drink. There's clearly more promotional activity. We're going to head into the Super Bowl period of time. We're going to head into the holidays. And that, traditionally, has been an uptick in those businesses, so you would expect to see more promotions and more volume. Having said that, back-to-school is generally a period of time where we see some pretty impressive volume changes. And cereal was up sequentially 6% from Q2 to Q3. That's pretty anemic relative to the kind of increases we historically see. We would expect cereal demand, quarter-on-quarter, be up 10% to 15% historically. Didn't happen. So some of these demand trends are different. They're changing. This is a very, very strange economy, as you well know. I don't think all the stuff with all the uncertainty that Washington's injecting into the market is helping us. Too many variables to get a legitimately strong predictor of what volume and demand is going to be.
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Usha Chundru Guntupalli - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
That's very helpful. And one last question. So on the flexible business, your target for margins is around the 10% heading into '14. What's the upside in the medium term to that number?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
Well, we haven't -- we wouldn't really give a lot of guidance in the quarter. But I would tell you that our expectations is that we should be seeing margins as we exit this year, certainly, 8.5% and above. And I think -- and I know, I don't think, I know, the team that's running that business has those expectations as well. And so if you look at the investment we made in the Pine Bluff mill in the first quarter, we'll get a full impact of all that. If you look at the improvement that were in our operational converting facilities, and you think about the businesses that we kind of sold off of that process, getting to 10% is a reasonable expectation for us in Q1 of '14.
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Operator
Operator
Your next question is from Philip Ng from Jefferies.
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Philip Ng - Jefferies LLC, Research Division
Analyst · Jefferies
The $3 million of net debt reduction that you're guiding for '13, is that just all operations? Or is some of that a function of -- from the proceeds from the asset sales as well?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Jefferies
It also has proceeds from the asset sales, as well as those charges we incurred for the shutdown of Brampton in that as well, as well as some of the fees we paid to execute those transactions. So if you look for operations, it's -- we're more in the $250 million range, like we guided to before. And then on top of that, we added $50 million worth in net number for the other stuff that we executed in the third quarter.
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Philip Ng - Jefferies LLC, Research Division
Analyst · Jefferies
Okay, that's helpful. And then from a leverage target standpoint, I mean, you guys are going to hit that 3x leverage target you've been pushing for. So with all that free cash flow you're generating, how should we be thinking about cash flow deployment going into '14? Is there an opportunity before you start returning more cash back to shareholders?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Jefferies
Well we're certainly going to look to return value to shareholders. So, 2 things: A part of that is, yes, we'll certainly look at what we're doing relative to our free cash flow and how we might more effectively use it. We are, however, continuing to do some of these little bolt-on acquisitions. They've been good for us. You can see the results have been buoyed by those things, and so we're going to continue to do those. We have ideas. We have concepts. We have some things that we will work on. And so we'll -- Dan and I will balance the difference between how acquisitions work and returning cash to shareholders. But if we continue to hit our $300 million worth of free cash flow that Dan sort of talks about in 2014, clearly, we're going to have to consider options on how we return cash to shareholders.
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Philip Ng - Jefferies LLC, Research Division
Analyst · Jefferies
Got you. And then -- sorry. I'm still surprised, with -- can you give us a little color on the corporate expense for next year? I know pension expenses are going to meet a little tailwind next year. Should that come down?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Jefferies
Right. I mean, Phil, as you know, a lot of the calculations for pensions result at year end. I mean, if you would think it would come down because the discount rate has shown improvement. But we got another quarter to go, and then we run these calculations, and then we run the expense. But through the third quarter, it's definitely trending that way.
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Operator
Operator
Your next question is from Ketan Mamtora from Deutsche Bank.
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Ketan Mamtora - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
You mentioned in your presentation that European acquisitions added about $17 million to sales in Q3. Can you give us some color on either what the EBITDA contribution was or maybe from a margin standpoint?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
We do not break out the margins or pieces of our Paperboard Packaging segment. But we can tell you that those margins, after we integrate and we head into 2014, our contribution from Europe is going to be somewhere in that $20 million range or better than 2013. So you're going to see the contribution in terms of value growing to shareholders from that transaction.
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Ketan Mamtora - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Got you. And then just one follow-up question. As you look at some of these offshore markets, maybe Europe and also Mexico, how would you think about investment in those markets? Do you see attractive opportunities out there?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Well that's a really good question. And the answer is it really depends by market. So what we used to do in Europe, as you know, is we needed to establish a base that was big enough for us to do additional acquisitions to build around. And that's really what we established with A&R and Contego. So would I expand and make more acquisitions in Western Europe? If you look at the results we generate from this one, you have to say yes. Because if we can find similar sort of bolt-on acquisition to generate this kind of return and these kind of margins, we're going to do that. Yes, I'd like to be bigger in Mexico for sure. Mexico is a much more complicated question. You're peso denominated. There's a lot of currency risk in that process. And to be perfectly honest, what we really struggle on in Mexico is being able to determine if, in fact, the EBITDA reported is actually the EBITDA that's actually generated. So we're a lot more cautious in Mexico, because sometimes I don't know what I'm buying. And so each region of the world, we have an interest in acquiring. But we are not going to be planting flags serendipitously just because we feel like we need to be in a region. We need to keep the same discipline and acquisition as we've had in the United States and in Europe. So if I find something good that I can confirm and believe, I'll do. If I'm not sure, I'm not going to waste shareholders' money.
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Ketan Mamtora - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Okay, that's helpful. And just 2 quick follow-up questions. On the productivity target for 2014, and correct me if I'm wrong here, I was thinking that you had earlier pointed to $60 million to $80 million for 2014, and today, you talked about $80 million to -- did I get my previous numbers wrong?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
It was probably the European -- because I don't know how far back it goes, but those numbers now include the European synergy acquisition, so they came up a little bit -- I think it's basically the delta is just how far back you went now calculating and adding the European synergies of $16 million to $18 million, which, I think, Dan and I both believe, at this point in time, are doable for sure.
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
That's right.
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Ketan Mamtora - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Right. So $80 million to $100 million includes the $16 million to $18 million of European synergies?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Yes, sir. It does. It just makes it easier than breaking all that out. It's just pure performance. It's pure cost improvement, and it makes it easier for you guys to model, and it makes it easier for us to take the phone calls around it.
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Ketan Mamtora - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
That makes sense. And then just one last one. In terms of CapEx for 2014, do you still think it will be in the $185 million, $200 million range?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Yes. Yes, we do.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] You do have a follow-up question from George Staphos.
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George L. Staphos - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst
It's George. Sorry I jumped on late. Dueling conference calls. The first question I had, do you see a need at any stage, perhaps, to reposition your assets that are aligned more towards the CSD business if that, at all, would be possible? Given the volume trends that, as you say on the slide deck, you, thus far, don't see a positive catalyst coming on. Then I had a follow-on.
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Okay. Well the fact of the matter is that the CSD business is there. It's still pretty good for Fridge Vendor. And I think you're talking about the investments we made at parity. So we're not really struggling to fill the parity volume up, which is the -- which is Fridge Vendor. It's some of the other different SKUs that cause bigger problems. None of those assets are -- none of those assets in the converting site are such that they cannot be repurposed if it makes sense to do so. We can use those -- those are 10-color flexo presses, so we can use those to do a lot of other things, if it makes sense to do so. Right now, they're well -- they're busy making carbonated soft drink. But if a point in time comes that Pepsi and Coca-Cola cannot sell soft drink, then we'll reposition them to something else. There's still going to be incredibly low-cost assets because they're sitting there right next to Macon paperboard mill. And when you -- I think you toured our facilities. You know that there are not many converting assets in the world that stack up to Graphic Packaging's.
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George L. Staphos - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst
Certainly, not next to Perry. It's a great operation. Anyway I just wanted to ask the question. I appreciate the response there, Dave. And I thank you if this question was asked before, but apologies if it already has. Did you see any deceleration in the quarter relative to what your expectation have been going into the quarter? And it sounds like business has picked up somewhat in the fourth quarter, but is it at the level you would have anticipated again, say, a couple, 3 months ago?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
Well, I think it's -- a couple, 3 months ago, I don't -- I would say that we were as you -- as I told you, I thought we were pretty cautious about the quarter. What I would tell you is I'm kind of disappointed this far after the 2009 meltdown that we haven't seen a stronger rebound. But one of the reasons we became very aggressive in good bolt-on acquisitions and hyped up the new product activity is because we sort of felt like some of these core markets would struggle. So I don't -- we're -- they are what they are. I love our position in beer right now. Big beer, craft beer, we're -- that's a good business for us, guys. It really is. And so if I look at one thing that's structured, you talked about, the one that struggles the most, I think, is carbonated soft drink. But I think the other businesses, like dry food and cereal, quite frankly, they should be fine long term. I mean, it's not a situation where you would expect them to see or to be in a structural decline. Those are good products. They're good-for-you products. The demographics -- long-term demographics fit those products, so I think we feel pretty good about that. For us, however, it's expanding that addressable pie. If I can do more with my solid fiber replacing other packaging, whether it's flexible or corrugated, so that increases the overall pie for Paperboard space, and that's really what we're trying to do. And then we'll layer on some acquisitions that allow us to use the extra board that we make during the year, and that kind of worked -- I mean, in fairness, guys, that's kind of what drives the EBITDA and cash flow. It's not a complicated model.
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George L. Staphos - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst
Maybe on that point, and to the extent that you can comment, and maybe you can't really talk to 2014 yet, but if we hold pricing and inflation constant, considering the productivity you expect to gain, including European synergies and the pricing benefits you should have built in given the lag, should we not see greater EBITDA growth in '14 than what you're seeing in '13?
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David W. Scheible
Analyst · Bank of America
So now you sound like one of my board members. And what I'll simply tell you is, at this point in time, we're not providing EBITDA guidance for 2014. I think, as Dan said in his comments, we are optimistic about 2014. I like the profile -- pricing profile better. I still expect to get $50 million -- $40 million to $50 million worth of inflation next year in the input costs. And I like some of the positioning from a market standpoint on both new products and geographics. So overall, as I sit here right now, I feel better about 2014. But translate that down to EBITDA at this point in time, we haven't really even finalized our 2014 numbers and plans. It feels like I -- that's leaning too far in for us at this point.
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Operator
Operator
The next question is from Joshua Zaret from Longbow Research.
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Joshua L. Zaret - Longbow Research LLC
Analyst · Longbow Research
Here's a simple question. In Flexible Packaging, you reported EBIT of $8.8 million. What would that number be if you strip out the nonrecurring?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Longbow Research
We're doing math.
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Joshua L. Zaret - Longbow Research LLC
Analyst · Longbow Research
And also, if you do that with the Paperboard Packaging as well.
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Longbow Research
Yes, that's going to be a loss of somewhere around $10 million. Yes, which is comparable to last year at this point.
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Joshua L. Zaret - Longbow Research LLC
Analyst · Longbow Research
A loss of $10 million for Flexible Packaging, okay. And what would it be for Paperboard?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Longbow Research
Add $5 million to the Paperboard.
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Joshua L. Zaret - Longbow Research LLC
Analyst · Longbow Research
Excuse, can you say that again, please?
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Daniel J. Blount
Analyst · Longbow Research
Add $5 million to Paperboard.
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Operator
Operator
I have no further questions at this time. Mr. Ankerholz, do you have any closing remarks?
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Bradford G. Ankerholz
Analyst
Well, we'll go back to operating the business and talk to you in the first quarter.
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Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating. At this time, you may now disconnect.