Jonathan Wilk
Analyst · JPMorgan.
Yes, sure. Let me take --- no, it's okay. I think I got it. I'm going to trying take those in reverse order. And I'm going to start with the gross margin in general, Reggie, if I could. So on the gross margin, what we've said is we believe gross margins in our business should be north of 50% and coming in at 53%, certainly in line with our expectations about where gross margins should be in our business, and we think those are strong, especially combined with EBITDA margins in the high 30s. So that just as a baseline for the story of our business. Second, with respect to why it's down year-over-year? There are two factors that Tim talked about and I'd reemphasize. One is we have seen some impacts from inflationary pressures due to things like wages that have had some impact on the gross margin. And the second does relate to -- as we launch new card constructs, it just typically takes a little bit of time to get those up and running at a level of efficiency that we expect to see over time. So yes, we will see kind of lower margins as those products ramp up that stabilize, we think, in the levels that we expect overall in the business. So yes, when we're launching a bunch of new things, you see some of that impact. And we talked a little bit about it last quarter, and Tim highlighted it a little bit this quarter as well. And we think over time, those sort of normalize out to more stable levels for us. With respect to Robinhood, generally, I'm going to comment just broadly how this works. When someone like that is ramping up a program, Reggie, there are a couple of different ways they can do it. One is with large upfront order and then steady volume to follow or just steady volume as they build, and it's just really a preference of the buyer and the company themselves. So I'm not going to comment specifically on how they're doing it and how their revenue will grow. But presume that generally, any time you see a program like that, it's certainly a good thing and we like to see that build over time. And as you and I have talked about, when those programs build, Reggie, over time, you'll see kind of 3 or 4 different levers. New acquisition, over time, you'll see lost stolen, you'll see natural reissue a few years later, and all of those build to we think that kind of sticky relationship that we want to see with customers over time. So excited about the launch and the opportunity.