Operator
Operator
Good day and welcome to the Golar LNG Limited Q1 2014 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. And at this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Brian Tienzo. Please go ahead.
Golar LNG Limited (GLNG)
Q1 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, May 28, 2014
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Operator
Operator
Good day and welcome to the Golar LNG Limited Q1 2014 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. And at this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Brian Tienzo. Please go ahead.
Brian Tienzo
Management
Thank you, moderator. Hello everyone and welcome to Golar LNG's first quarter 2014 results presentation. As the moderator said, my name is Brian Tienzo, and as per usual, I'll be taking you through the first quarter highlights of 2014 as well as financial highlights. I am joined here today by our CEO, Doug Arnell, who will go through with you the business updates and the summary announcement section. So let’s now turn to Page 4, so I would take you through the Q1 highlights. Golar reported first quarter 2014 net income of $13 million, and including the gain on sale of old Golar Igloo to GMLP, the Company’s EBITDA that was generated during the quarter amounts to an income of $33.1 million. Golar also took delivery of the FSRU Igloo in February where the vessels Maiden cargo was delivered on-board and commissioning concluded successfully off Kuwait as the vessel subsequently started its 10 year charter with KNPC, commencing from first of March 2014. Golar has also completed the sale of its interest in the FSRU Igloo to Golar Partners for $310 million on March 27, 2014. Furthermore the Company concluded it’s financing of four of its remaining five vessels during the quarter through our sale and leaseback transaction with ICBC. During the quarter we saw Gimi commence layup in the Far East and as it will be -- we will be highlighting later on, the spot and short term chartering market remains illiquid and lightly traded by historical standards. While the results are poor for the quarter, the Board nevertheless recognized the importance of shareholder compensation through dividend and as such the board has board has maintained a dividend of $0.45 for the quarter. Over to Page 5 on subsequent events. Golar took delivery of the Golar Crystal in May…
Doug Arnell
Management
Thank you Brian and good afternoon and good morning everybody. I’ll start my part of the presentation on Slide 9, where we’ll have a quick summary of the Golar Group Fleet, both Golar LNG Partners and Golar LNG Limited. You see at the top of the page there, we now have nine vessels inside the Golar LNG Partner fleet, with the addition of Golar Igloo in late March, with the start of four vessels when Golar Partners was IPOed we have had very good success in growing LNG Partners and dropping down those vessels into the fleet, generating cash for Golar LNG Limited to fund our growth, and there is lots more growth potential available as we see down below with the Golar LNG Limited fleet. You’ll see there the variety of classes of vessels that we’ve got, the top three vessels Gimi, Hilli and Gandria, three conversion candidates in layup available for our new FLNG program, which we’ll talk about later. The spot vessels Viking, Seal, Celsius and the newly delivered Golar Crystal and Golar Arctic which is on a shorter-term charter presently. The following vessels you will see the balance of the new build deliveries coming, all of them carriers except for Golar Eskimo, which is an FSRU -- sorry Golar Tundra and - two FSRUs, the Golar Eskimo and the Golar Tundra which delivered later on in the program. We have been working with our shipyard partners to manage delivery timing on some of the vessels. You will see the new estimated delivery timings there on that slide which we presently expect the vessels to come. So this is somewhat different than what was originally planned. We have worked cooperatively again with our shipyard partners to manage the deliveries in the face of lack of cargos in…
Operator
Operator
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, (Operator Instructions). We now take our first question from Herman Hildan, RS Platou Markets. Please go ahead.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
You mentioned before that a positive go forward position will be taken in June. Could you elaborate on what this relates? Is this kind of a contract with Chappell or is it FYB what kind of announcement will we see from Golar when this go forward position is taken.
Doug Arnell
Management
Yes, the contracts that we will be targeting to go firm are the EPC contracts with Kepple and the subcontract with Black & Veatch. Associated with that will be of course funding decisions on that, that the first payment that happens with that contract is a down payment that happens the day the contract becomes effective. So that will all be going on in June as well.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
And in terms of financing, what are you expecting on the leverage of this.
Doug Arnell
Management
Well the leverage -- I guess, the answer is different depending on the stage of the project we’re talking about. We’re unlikely to announce a firm contract at the same time that we’re triggering the startup construction on the vessel. We don’t think it will be too long in the future that we’ll be having that contract. But obviously it’s difficult to leverage, too high on an asset like this without a firm contract. After the contract’s completed, I’ll let Brian talk about that, how he’s thinking about that.
Brian Tienzo
Management
Yes, thanks Doug. So as Doug mentioned during the FLNG slide just now, I think the initial take by Golar in respect of the construction is that Golar itself will fund the initial conversion contracts and there will come a point when we become firm on certain contracts and at that point that’s when we will seek to further finance or at least put leverage on the construction itself. I think in the meantime in the background, whist the conversion contracts and the contracts of Black & Veatch have been negotiated, we’ve also been looking at a variety of financing opportunities for the initial phase and those are obviously progressed in the background also and will be effective once the contracts with Black & Veatch and Keppel are firmed up.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
And in terms of the equity investment that Golar will make -- obviously I believe that your term funding on the 30 new-builds are basically for 12 or 13 vessels. So you can leverage up Eskimo, you could probably do some downside of common units. My question here, do you expect making a -- call it equity ratio to finance the initial vessel?
Doug Arnell
Management
I think all we can say at this point is lot of options are being studied and analyzed but certainly at the time we announced the effectiveness of the contract, the funding of the contract will also be announced and described.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
And in terms of potential projects, Alfira [ph] has kind of being using a picture FLNG on their Block R. Is that one of the near-term contracts you think you’ll sign or what region do you expect to sign the first FLNG?
Doug Arnell
Management
You’ll have to ask Alfira [ph] what they’re intending on that project but I wouldn’t say it’s high up on our priority list of projects at the moment.
Brian Tienzo
Management
I think you will notice, we didn’t speak specifically about projects. One, that’s because we have confidentiality agreements in place. And two, we would only speak on projects once that are confirmed. I think Alfira’s [ph] intentions are unknown to us. Whilst as we had discussions with them, as Doug said, they are not necessarily on the top 10 of our list.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
And then final question, what kind of duration do you expect to have on the first FLNG contract? 5 to 10 years or?
Doug Arnell
Management
Well I don’t know if it’s the first LNG project but the other benefit of this approach is that we don’t need to do 20 year commitments on this project to make the whole thing hold together and to get a finance and have it create value. We can look at smaller reserve bases that maybe are supplied over a seven to eight year term and do just fine with that. Especially in cases where you have negative value on gas that’s been flared, maybe you don’t have 20 years of gas but you can do a shorter term project and given that the asset is floating and re-deployable, we’re available for instrumental gas at the same location from a different field, we’ll be able to execute projects that are of a shorter duration. We just think that’s a huge advantage to get in this acceleration that we’re looking at to get new production on to the market.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
My real question is will the contract -- will the asset be in sort of MLP? Will the duration of the contract be longer than five years?
Doug Arnell
Management
In the vast majority occasions it will be longer than five years. I what I would add to that is it’s not just the FLNG asset that’s relevant to the MLP at that point, because certainly in a lot of cases there’ll be carrier opportunities in association with that same project and in some cases FSRUs. So you may have an entire chain of assets put together for longer than five year contracts that can be dropped down to the MLP. So it’s tremendous growth potential for partners.
Herman Hildan - RS Platou Markets
Analyst
So are you kind of bidding or negotiating provisionally on for the full infrastructure?
Doug Arnell
Management
I would say the nature of these projects isn’t really-- although there is some element of it -- it’s not really a bidding scenario and we are looking for opportunities where gas wants to get to an LNG market somewhere around the end of 2016. And those kind of projects don’t have time to run a bid process, but they are projects that are ready to get developing and get to an execution phase. So again we’re not really exposed to bid situations in most of the cases, although there is an element to that in the projects we’re working on.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from Fotis Giannakoulis. Please go ahead.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Apparently you have done a lot of projects about the FLNG, and I want to ask how do you expect the contract with Keppel to be structured? How much of the cost will be paid upfront upon signing and how much you’re expecting to pay upon delivery?
Doug Arnell
Management
Without giving too much detail its -- again because we’re bound by confidentiality agreements, there is a significant down payment on kick off of the project [audio gap] conversion contracts, sorry, FSRU conversion contracts that we have seen rather than shipbuilding contracts.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Okay, that’s clear. And you mentioned in your previous calls that your goal is to keep control of all those FLNGs which means that you’re going to have at least 50% of the project. But based on the discussions that you have with commercial partners, what kind of ownership shall we expect for each of these units?
Doug Arnell
Management
The LNG industry likes to have its off takers investing in the liquefaction asset. So we see interest in some of that. Again for us it will depend. If we are doing a project with a large player that’s already in the industry, has other liquefaction assets, is comfortable of all that; we may see ownership for the vessel at a higher level. But I don’t think -- the vessel itself, I think 20% is a good guideline for what we would see as being held by a third-party.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Okay, that’s much higher than what we were expecting. And I think Doug you mentioned back in February that at least this first unit is going to be on a larger scale. Is it still going to be the case and do you have any expectation regarding the additional couple of units that it seems more likely that you are going to exercise your option to build?
Doug Arnell
Management
Yes. So I think one of the -- I don’t know if it surprises, but one of the learnings over the last year is that once we find an opportunity that works for a million ton type size, we quickly realize that it’s likely that even a smaller projects like that for various reasons would turn into a larger size project. So most of the opportunities we’re working on our of the larger variety and certainly this first spec vessel, we will be building, the four train set up which is depending on the amenity [ph] conditions is the 2.5 million to 2.8 million ton per annum vessels. It could happen, but I doubt it. It could be that the second or third vessel is smaller. I don’t think so though. I think we’re going to find that the range of projects is closer to the 2.5 size and even if we don’t have identified reserves for that late, having -- adding the fourth train onto this asset is extremely cost-effective. So it’s a pretty easy decision to make to tap all port trains capacity on the vessel.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Thank you Doug. You just said that the first payment, the down payment is going to be quite substantial amount. I assume that these also demonstrate your confidence that this project will go ahead and that there are commercial agreements and discussions. I think three months ago you said that you are in discussion for 15 million to 20 million tons of capacity. How are these discussions being developing? Have you narrowed down that the number of potential commercial partners? Is there any commercial agreement that might be closer than the rest? And if you can give us a little bit more color about tolling versus LNG production, that you’re going to develop yourself and market over the LNG?
Doug Arnell
Management
Okay, in terms of the number of projects that we’re working on, I will tell you that the discipline that we are having to apply is to not work on too many of the projects, so that we don’t get scattered and to lack of focus on the important ones. Availability of gas for this unit is absolutely not an issue. There is opportunities, because of the scalability of the unit, and the fact it is floating and really flexible and there is all sorts of opportunities. The trick is to find a site and partners and a commercial structure that can carry the project through. So yes, I think 15 million to 20 million tons of opportunity is being worked on, is a comfortable estimate still. No, we haven’t narrowed down. We -- as I said, these projects are commercially complex. They take a long time to put together. We’re not going to put our eggs in one basket. We don’t need to. We’ve got two other options for conversions. We have got conversion candidates ready to go. So we don’t really look at it that way. We are leaning forward on multiple projects and it’s a bit simple to say but it’s kind of a first come first serve. And the handful of very serious projects that we’re working on, we are very busy on; serious negotiations, serious discussions for getting permitting going and that kind of thing. But again, we don’t want to give too much focus on a single project until it reaches a point where we believe it’s going to go firm. We don’t want to get ahead of ourselves. So we’re extremely optimistic on the project side. In terms of structure, there is a lot of ways to structure these things. Whether or not Golar takes a position on the commodity side -- that will be, those decisions will be taken depending on the specific project but it’s kind of a separate revenue stream than what we’re talking about here. No matter how it’s structured, if Golar is on the commodity side or not, a part of that structure you can assume there will be some tolling component which underpins the revenue stream going into the vessel company. So it will be very clear the payments coming into the FLNG asset, that’s for financing purposes. That’s for purposes of the dropdown. That’s how the LNG industry is used to having things structured. So if we do a commodity transaction beside it, that will be just a whole other revenue stream separate from the tolling.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Thank you, Doug. If you can also help me clarify some of the numbers, I remember that you had mentioned that the cost of operating a vessel like that is expected to be something like two to three times and FSRU, if my calculation is correct that means around $20 million per annum. The North America the tolling revenue could be $3 to $3.5 per MMbtu. That makes something like $350 million per unit for 2.5 million tons. Is this a number that sounds reasonable and in terms of construction cost, am I reading your press release correct that you are talking about three times EBITDA is going to be the conversion cost?
Doug Arnell
Management
Yes, that’s a guidance we are giving for. If you look at the capital cost or enterprise value of the single FLNG project, it means again strictly the tolling revenue with an assumption that the market indication or certain comparative economics to the U.S. Gulf Coast projects, which I think that marker is around $3.50. So, with that kind of toll, even adjusted for locations in terms of deliveries into Asia and netback adjustments and all that, against the enterprise value is a factor 3 yes. I would say on the OpEx, I can’t remember what you just said but I think that guidance is okay. I think if it’s 4 - 4.5 times an FSRU type operating cost, that’s fairly safe.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Okay. Thank you. And one last question. When these vessels will be delivered, when the commercial contracts are in place, is there a plan to be dropdown to GMLP or you have thought that you can potentially create separate MLPV just for the liquefaction projects?
Brian Tienzo
Management
I think the initial intention is that these assets as Doug mentioned earlier are MLP type assets. So the contracts will be of tenants that are droppable to the MLP. I think as you can imagine, the size of these assets will be far greater than the FSRU that we have been dropping down to some extent. We may follow a similar SeaDrill type model where sort of part of the asset is dropped down at -- one at a time as opposed to the entire head [ph] being dropped down. Whether or not we sort of create another MLP specific to these assets, it’s not really something that’s crossed our mind. I think it’s something that that we’ll have to see as and when we start getting the and start firming up on the type of assets and the location of those assets are much more visible to us.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
And in terms of dropdown multiple, if the construction multiple is only three times the EBITDA, how high can the dropdown multiple is part of a goal as intention to maximize the profit from the dropdown upfront or the profit will be maximized in the GP level?
Brian Tienzo
Management
No I mean whilst we’ve been using sort of EBITDA multiples to guide, to some extent to give them guidance on FSRU dropdowns and vessel dropdowns to the MLP, the process is always that we have to follow sort of the conflicts to meet sort of recommendation to Board of Golar LNG Partners and Limited and they have to go through the contracts that are sort of within that vessel and they have to value those contracts, the residual values, the risks associated with those contracts and then we’ll come back with a suggestion. But I guess the way we then explain how those are reached is through an EBITDA multiple. So we’re not trying to maximize the profit as such we’re just following the sort of the fair market value of the contracts committee suggestion.
Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Thank you, Brian. If you kind of allow me one final question and if you can present us, what are the potential risks? It seems that you are pretty confident on this project. Do you have any appropriate technology here or expertise that why wouldn’t other companies try to replicate that or producers that have access to the natural gas wouldn’t tried to do something like that on their own. Are there any risks that you would like to present us here regarding the completion of certain ambitious projects?
Doug Arnell
Management
Well, the risk is generally on the project specific side Fotis, the permitting and the licensing and all the commercial structuring that has to go on. That’s why we’ll be working on multiple projects because a way to mitigate that kind of risk is to have several irons in the fire. But in terms of the technology risk and the constructability risk, that’s something we’re least concerned about. There is nothing new going on in this project. The execution model is very similar to our FSRUs. The conversion yard we’re using is the top conversion yard in the world. The technology we’re using is used today all over the world the only difference is we’re going to mount it up on a ship and mounting equipment up on a ship so that it works with something that Golar and Keppel have done in combination many times. So having this vessel work properly is not high up on the list of our risk. I think the risk is on the specific projects. And again we’re mitigating that by working on several and we’re pretty confident that if we have trouble on one or two, the others will come through.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from Jon Chappell, Evercore. Please go ahead.
Doug Arnell
Management
Hello Jon, you’re there? Moderator, maybe we move on to the next question.
Operator
Operator
Yes. We’ll take our next question from Mr. Ben Nolan, Stifel.
Ben Nolan - Stifel
Analyst
Great. Thanks guys. And just to change pace a bit from all the FLNG discussion; could I maybe get you to talk about the pace of FSRU contract? In the past -- since the first of the year, have you seen much in way of new incremental interest that hadn’t been there previously? Is there any level of acceleration or conversely are there people that have been very serious that maybe aren’t quite as serious about it that at this point?
Doug Arnell
Management
That’s a subjective thing I guess. But the -- I think the number of -- today the number of FSRU projects that we believe will actually go ahead, new ones, is probably slightly lower than it has been over the past couple of years. But I always said that if it’s one to two maybe on the outside three fixtures of FSRUs globally per year, that’s about right. I’m not sure we’ll keep up that exact pace from today for the next few months. There are projects out there we respond to increase all the time. We’re pretty good at filtering when things are firm or not. But I guess in summary we’d say that we’re not feeling too bad that our next FSRU isn’t delivering to the end of next year. Because the prompt projects which we like to look at, we’re going to build a speculative vessel. We like to look at projects that can take advantage of a prompt vessel. There aren’t that many out there, that we think are firm. Now we can always be proven wrong. Projects can surprise you. But I’d say it’s a little bit lower right now than in the back.
Ben Nolan - Stifel
Analyst
Okay, well that’s interesting. And I guess, has there been any, and I guess I would have thought that maybe given everything that’s going on in Russia and Ukraine that Western Europe would have been little bit more aggressive. Has that not been the case?
Doug Arnell
Management
Well, Western Europe, I mean we’ve highlighted this - I guess reading between the lines that we were saying in some of our releases today that some of that uncertainty could drive new opportunities for FSRUs, but it is not really Western Europe because Western Europe currently is pretty much oversupplied on re-gas capacity. But projects -- Lithuania has a project now, and Eastern European countries (indiscernible) that’s where we think possibly it could drive some interest.
Ben Nolan - Stifel
Analyst
Okay, well that’s helpful. And then last question from me. I know earlier that you’ve mentioned and historically you guys have highlighted the fuel consumption or burn-off differential between the dry fuel vessels and the steam power vessels, and how you are looking to capitalize on that in terms of the rates that you are able to earn? I was just hoping that maybe you could quantify where you are in the process, or at least in a percentage terms, how much of that value do you think you’re capturing today as opposed to what you ultimately feel like you may be able to capture?
Doug Arnell
Management
I think, in today’s market, it’s more about a situation where we will have more success keeping utilization rate on the vessel up because of those cost advantages. There’s a lot of vessels out there right now, new-build and steam vessels. And the charters can be pretty picky about rates. So what I would say is that the spread is all over the place from what we have seen between the new-build vessels and the steam vessels depending on what day of the week it is and which vessels are vying for our cargo. In general though I’d say it’s a lot tighter now than it’s going to be. In general for kind of quick spot aside, which is kind of -- it’s hard to get any indications other than that right now because there is so few cargoes. But if you look at the kind of one to two or three year deals that are going around, I think the spread is quiet narrow. And that’s one thing that we’re going to see opening up. It’s not looking like it’s more of $10,000 or $15,000 a day at times, which is quite narrow given the savings. But that kind of buyers -- indication of a buyers’ market. So as these charters have the new-build vessels coming into their portfolio more and more, I think we will see that premium spread out. And the preference to charter the new-builds will gain momentum going forward.
Operator
Operator
We now take on the next question from John Chappell, Evercore. Please go ahead, sir.
John Chappell - Evercore
Analyst
Let’s try to get this quick. On the options, you mentioned six and 12 months on the options for the second and third potential FLNGs. What are you kind of looking for before deciding to move forward with that? Is it kind of progress on the first one with Keppel and Black & Veatch? Would you like to have a contract on the first one in place? Is it just kind of commercial discussions? How do we think about the decision to move forward with those two options?
Brian Tienzo
Management
Well, it’s not a looksee on how their project is going with Keppel on the first one, but we -- I would characterize it like this. We would like to be extremely confident and the options were set with this kind of timing in mind. We would like to be extremely confident of what have in fact signed at commercial arrangement for the first vessel.
John Chappell - Evercore
Analyst
Okay, and I want to harp on the timing of that. Obviously you wouldn’t sign that 2.5 years before delivery of the asset, but how close to the actual delivery would you really feel comfortable? Or I should say, as you are approaching the delivery in late ’16, when would you start to feel uncomfortable if you’d in have a contract -- a commercial contract in place for the first one?
Doug Arnell
Management
Well, we are uncomfortable all the time, John. It keeps this focused, but it’s an interesting way that frame the question. I don’t think we’ve been thing in about that. It’s hard for me to answer. We are closing in on projects -- it’s -- I would be surprised that we go out a year and we don’t have that done. Does that help you?
John Chappell - Evercore
Analyst
Okay. Yes, it does. Two more quick ones. Thanks for giving us an update of schedule on the delivery of the new-buildings after last quarter. Is there any wiggle room left potentially delaying those even further as you kind of think about all those fourth quarter ‘14 deliveries versus the kind of mid-term industry time horizon you talked about of improving late ‘15?
Doug Arnell
Management
Well, for now we have finished those discussions with the shipyard. So you don’t know whether there is wiggle room until you kind of reinitiate something like that and we just completed getting this new schedule set. I don’t know whether there would be more wiggle room for not. We’re relatively comfortable with this schedule. We’re uncomfortable with the state of the market right now but in the time when we get out into the back end of this year, where really a lot of the vessels are coming, we are hopeful that things are starting to improve and we don’t need to kind of worry about that anymore.
Brian Tienzo
Management
There is also of course the factor that as we go through 2014 and 2015, a lot of these shipyards are ramping up in the LNG related activities and of course those takeaway resources from building LNG carriers. So, it may not be that Golar LNG -- Golar itself initiate certain wiggle room on these deliveries. It could be that yards themselves take that initiative.
John Chappell - Evercore
Analyst
That certainly be helpful. Last one for you Brian. I know that obviously given the tone of this call, FLNG is all that matters right now but trying to get my arms around kind of a clean first quarter. There’s other financial items of about $16.7 million baked into the press release that said non-cash swap losses. How much of that is non-cash, so we try to figure out kind of a clean one kill?
Brian Tienzo
Management
Off my mind, I think it’s approximately $10 million to $11 million of that non-cash then there is about 3.5 or so on unhedged swaps i.e. interest rate swaps interest that aren’t hedged on specific notional financing.
John Chappell - Evercore
Analyst
So, almost that entire number would be considered one-time nature based.
Brian Tienzo
Management
Yes, correct.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. We will now take our next question from Mr. Michael Webber, Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Yes, it’s long and meandering call, so I’ll keep it short but just to come back in on John’s question around really the data point that’s the most important, which is the commercial agreement. Without pinning you guys down to a date, it seems like first half ‘15 is probably the most likely timeframe for commercial agreement. Am I hearing you guys right around that?
Doug Arnell
Management
Yes, it could be sooner and the news flow as well can start a lot earlier. There will be time on some of these projects where they will just have to become visible because there will be visible permitting activities going on specific locations and government probably is making some things. So, I think two things, investors will begin quite soon to start hearing some news flow about the specific projects.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Yes.
Doug Arnell
Management
It’s just that now before we got the ship going firm, we weren’t terribly excited about telling everybody we were working but -- and then like I said if we aren’t in at least in one firm agreement in the first half of ‘15, I will be pretty surprised. Now that firm agreement may have some conditionality on a specific operating permit or something but that kind of risk can be evaluated at the time. So that’s I think the best guidance we can give.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Okay, that’s helpful and pretty direct. Around the financing and I know you guys talked a bit about this earlier but just to be completely clear around this. You get the financing more or less walked up to the long lead items you guys are talking about in terms of your initial order capital and then you went to, kind of into the payment schedule. In terms of thinking about that, is there a chance that there can be a capital call associated with the building of this asset before the dropdown of the Eskimo right. So, is there a chance that you guys have the further cash collateralize the spec build before you actually see dropdown proceeds or anything that would need to trigger an equity raise or something along those lines or is that payment structure with Keppel, as such that the bulk of that is going to be later in ‘15 where you guys are going to have more options?
Brian Tienzo
Management
So, Mike, as we mentioned earlier, whilst the results of top asset towards the end and beginning of 2015, the initial payment to make the contract effective obviously happens well before that. Now, we haven’t mentioned in our press release firmly how we’re going to go about financing that. I think obviously in the background we have got a very good hand on what we are going to do to be able to do that. I think at the time that we announced firming the yearly contract, it’s probably the right time to be also talking about the financing for that because obviously they go hand in hand. But I think suffice to say, we’ve looked at various options and we believe we’ve come to a conclusion on what’s the best one to go forward.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Okay and I think it’s an earlier question I think I’m earlier here was with -- you’ve talked to the fact that there is a bit of a larger upfront payment associated with this bill than obviously already you’ve raised some capital associated with this. I guess it was six months to a year ago. On a percentage basis or on -- so if you can give us some degree of scale around what you guys have now versus what you guys could be looking at, any help there? There is a lot of -- the previous question was basically under the assumption and you guys had that initial payment more or less down and the question was would you have another capital call, just some color on the scale of initial outlay versus what you guys have already raised?
Brian Tienzo
Management
I think just to clarify, when we initially raised to find that some of the funds at the end of 2013, we did say it was for long need items. We didn’t specifically say of course it’s for the initial payments of the Keppel and Black & Veatch contracts. Now admittedly, the Keppel and Black & Veatch contracts are probably a bit more substantial than what we raised, but again I think suffice to say that we have sufficient growth on that what we need to put into place to be able to make that effective, and in all -- it sounds like I’m avoiding the question, but as I said I think the financing and effectiveness of that contract being announced need to go hand in hand together.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Okay. I will wait for more color on that. Just one or two more for me and I’ll hop off. I know you guys have talked about Pemex in the past that and they’ve got 5 MBTA project around Gulf. It seems like the way these options are structured with Keppel that you would need to do as a single asset first or another project first before you could look biting out something like a Pemex? Is that the right way to think about it in terms of the order?
Brian Tienzo
Management
Yes, I don’t remember talking too much specifically about Pemex, but Mexico as a country, opportunities for this asset I think are very positive and whether or not Pemex is talking about different size things or anything, we don’t know exactly what their plans are in their whole program. But Mexico is an interesting situation whether importing extremely expensive LNG in specific size while building up huge actual gas reserves of their own than building up capacity bringing gas from the U.S. So interesting gas dynamic there but the bottom line is we’ve got sort of domestic grid building up with supply that fit our vessels very well. So I think that, it could be interesting.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Okay that’s helpful. One more just around the Tundra and I don’t know you addressed the FSRU market better earlier and you said it’s getting more competitive. Obviously the steady stream of FSRU cash flow is supporting your MLP currency, and you’re right, as we get close to the Tundra delivery that it’s going to get a lot more focused. At what point in terms of the construction and contracting that asset you guys start looking harder at other avenues for providing growth and kind of keep in supporting that currency, be it through acquiring free chartered assets or finding some other way to kind of augment the backend of that dropdown profile, right, if the market assimilate, Tundra gets done and the environment getting more competitive. How do you kind of handle that, that backend and the year dropdown pipeline?
Brian Tienzo
Management
That’s probably more in MLP question, but I think why Golar LNG Limited and partners do have a partnership agreement that allows Golar LNG Partners to pick and choose vessels to buy from LNG Limited, of course Partners itself has the ability to look at all that sort of circle and buy assets from the outside and continue that growth. Now obviously at the moment, it’s not very transparent way additional dropdowns could be put to LNG partners [indiscernible]. I think certainly we want confidence that we have chance for the Tundra by the times it comes out. But it’s very difficult to also promise on other assets, given one the charter market is very soft and of course that FLNG project development, Golar LNG Limited is only starting. So I guess answer is MLP has ability to lookout the LNG space, Golar LNG space to continue that growth.
Michael Webber - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Okay and just before I hop off just, John’s final question around that kind of [indiscernible] coming through, the continuing EPS number, you’re looking at 13.5 million to 14.5 million of I guess unrealized gains that’s reflected in that other number. Should we stripping out that entire number or just 14.5 million to get to your continuing EPS?
Brian Tienzo
Management
I think majority of that number needs to be stripped out because one, it’s very -- if you look at our number in Q4, it was a positive $20 million or something, right. So it needs to be stripped out because one it is a volatile and traditional cash.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. As there are no further questions, I would like to turn the call back to the speaker for any additional or closing remarks.
Doug Arnell
Management
Yes, thanks moderator. And again, well thanks everyone for the contribution to this quarter’s call. It’s been a pleasure talking to you and as always we look forward to speaking to you again in the next quarter’s presentation. Thank you and good bye.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. That will conclude today’s conference call. Thank you for your participation ladies and gentlemen. You may now disconnect.