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Gladstone Capital Corporation (GLAD)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 14, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Gladstone Capital Corporation Fourth Quarter and Year Ended September 30, 2019 Earnings Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker David Gladstone. Please go ahead, sir.

David Gladstone

Analyst

Good morning everyone. Good to have you on the phone with us. This is David Gladstone, Chairman, and this is the quarterly earnings call of Gladstone Capital for the quarter ending and the fiscal year ending September 30, 2019. Again, thank you all for calling in. We're certainly happy to talk to our shareholders and some of the analysts, and we welcome the opportunity to provide an update on the company and the investment portfolio. And now we'll hear from General Counsel, Michael LiCalsi, who will make some statements regarding forward-looking statements. Michael?

Michael LiCalsi

Analyst

Thanks, David and good morning everybody. Today’s report may include forward-looking statements under the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, including those regarding our future performance. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that are based on our current plans, which we believe to be reasonable. Many factors may cause our actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements, including all risk factors on our Forms 10-Q, 10-K, and other documents that we file with the SEC. You can find these on the Investor Relations page of our website, which is www.gladstonecapital.com. You can also sign up for email notification service or you can find these on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise except as required by law. As a reminder, today's call is simply an overview of our results, so we ask that you review our press release and Form 10-K, both issued yesterday for more detailed information. Again, you can find them on the Investor Relations page of our website. With that, I'll turn the presentation over to Gladstone Capital's President, Bob Marcotte. Bob?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you all for dialing in this morning. I'll focus bulk of my remarks on the results for last quarter, and conclude with some summary comments on fiscal 2019 and the outlook for fiscal 2020. The headlines for Gladstone Capital for the quarter ended September 30, 2019. Originations on the quarter were 24.7 million, which included one new investment and two add-on investments to the existing portfolio companies. Exits and prepayments on the quarter totaled 28.8 million, the majority of which were associated with the sale of our interest in ADC, which yielded proceeds of 18.3 million and included the repayment of our debt position at par, a realized equity gain of 8.7 million, as well as deferred interest in success fees. While the total investments on the quarter fell slightly, earning debt investments actually increased by approximately 7 million before any valuation movements. Interest income on the quarter rose almost 6% to 11.8 million over the prior quarter with a collection of approximately 900,000 of previously deferred ADC interest. Excluding the ADC impact, the average yield on our interest-bearing portfolio declined slightly to 11.6% with the approximate 30 basis point decline in LIBOR in the quarter as the average outstanding investment balance was largely unchanged. Prepayment fees, exit fees, and dividend income declined to 900,000 from 1.7 million last quarter, which was the primary reason the total investment income for the quarter fell slightly to 12.7 million. Borrowing costs fell slightly on the quarter as lower average borrowings and LIBOR rates more than offset higher unused facility commitment fees on the quarter. Net investment income rose to 6.4 million or $0.21 per share as operating expenses were unchanged and net management fees declined 200,000 compared to the prior quarter as incentive fee credits increased slightly. The net…

Nicole Schaltenbrand

Analyst

Thanks Bob. Good morning. During the September quarter, total interest income rose 6% to 11.8 million as the ADC deferred interest more than offset the 30 basis point decline in the average yield on the investment portfolio. Other income recognized during the quarter of 900,000 was largely associated with success fees received upon the exit of ADC. Other income declines 800,000 compared to the prior quarter, mainly due to a decrease in prepayment penalties received. Total investment income declined 200,000 or 1.3% to 12.7 million on the quarter. Total expenses for the quarter declined by 300,000 as financing expenses fell slightly by 100,000 to 3.1 million. Also, net management and incentive fees declined by 200,000 for the period as net based management fees rose by 200,000, with fewer credits associated with a lower level of origination, and incentive fees declined by 400,000 with an increase in advisor fee credit. Other expenses were unchanged in the quarter at 800,000 or 75 basis points on average assets. For the quarter ended September 30, net investment income was 6.4 million or $0.21 per share, and covered 100% of our distribution. Moving over to the balance sheet, as of September 30, 2019, total assets were 426 million, consisting of 403 million in investments at fair value, and 23 million in cash and other assets. Our cash balance was elevated at the end of the year to support the funding of the new investment, which closed shortly after the end of the quarter. Liabilities rose by 8 million to 177 million as of 9-30 and consisted of 67 million in borrowings on our credit facility, 55.7 million of 6.1 [ph] senior notes due 2023 and 52 million of Series 2024 Term Preferred Stock. Net assets rose by 3.1 million since the prior quarter end with…

David Gladstone

Analyst

Thank you, Nicole. You did a good job. Bob and Michael, you both did a good job of informing our stockholders and analyst that follow our company. In summary, Gladstone Capital had a good quarter, which kept the solid year, originated $25 million for the quarter in new investments and the total investments for the year were 147 million to more than offset the elevated levels of prepayments that continue to grow, and continue to grow our assets. We reported 12.7 million of investment income for the quarter and cleared $50 million for the investment income for the year which was up 9.8%. Generated an 8.3% return on equity net of all the portfolio gains and losses while maintaining a very conservative leverage balance sheet. Maintained a strong balance sheet which signified dry powder and given the recent regulatory leverage relief. So we've got plenty of room to grow the investments and attractive lower middle market businesses we'll finance. So in summary, the company sees an improving position and the private businesses that are mid-size and with a good management team that we like to finance. Many of these are owned by mid-sized buyout funds. We follow them around and finance their acquisitions. They're always looking for experienced partners and they know if they get us involved that we'll carry our weight there in terms of doing due diligence and financing their leverage over their equity. This gives us a chance to make an attractive interest paying loan, which is supported by our ongoing commitment to pay cash distributions to stockholders. We have a strong team in place to capitalize on this marketplace and think we will do a good job for the next year that will end in 2020 in September of 2020. Now operator, Sydney, would you come on and tell our callers how they can ask some questions?

Operator

Operator

Certainly. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg. Your line is now open.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Yes, good morning, everyone. Question for Bob. So there's been a good deal of stress in the more liquid loan markets and I think some of that weakness there is due to the outflows as a result of declining LIBOR, but I also think the market's realizing the deal terms have been too aggressive and fundamentals are deteriorating, especially for some business models. There's also been increased bifurcation between good credits and those that are perceived to be weaker. So in the past, you've nibbled at the more liquid credits in your portfolio, and given the volatility we're seeing there, are there areas of that market where you're seeing interesting opportunities that perhaps you think the market is mispricing?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Good morning Mickey. It's an interesting question. You're exactly right. We've been somewhat opportunistic where illiquidity has created opportunities. At the moment, I agree with you, LIBOR is part of it, but I think the other part is most of the syndicated loan marketplace falls in the single B category and the CLOs, which are the biggest buyers of those assets are pretty over weighted single Bs, and in concern of potential downgrades and what it might do to their buckets and the required liquidations, I think people are holding off, so you're not seeing a whole lot of issuance in the single B category these days. We've seen very little coming to marketplace through the syndicated banks. So, we really have not seen any particular opportunities. I will also note that if you follow the -- some of the other bigger BDCs and private funds pools, last week there was an announcement of three underwriters took on $1.6 billion syndicated loan with three BDC participants. So, what you're starting to see is a migration of some large assets that would have otherwise been syndicated to the large commitment capabilities of some of these bigger BDCs. The other thing that's noteworthy that I think is beginning to filter is – I think the investor marketplace is beginning to recognize that buying syndicated loans given the documentational elements of those transactions are not very attractive or protected in a downward environment, and they are opting to invest more through private debt funds run by professional managers. So I think you're also seeing folks who are looking for surety on execution, and the marketplace that's looking for professional managers to run those assets, beginning to shift some of those opportunistic situations in favor of private debt funded alternatives. So, we're not particularly optimistic at the moment on having syndicated opportunities that we might find attractive in the marketplace today.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay, I understand that. That's interesting, Bob, I appreciate that. Just one follow-up question in terms of the portfolio structure. I did notice that the allocation to second lien increased quarter-to-quarter, but as you've said in the past, that includes left out pieces of unitranche, which as we know some other BDCs would label as first lien. So could you give us a sense of how much left out unitranche is in the portfolio and was that – what drove the increase quarter-to-quarter?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

As I indicated on my comments, Mickey, we don't classify left out in second liens. And at the present, we don't have any left outs in our portfolio. We have sold off senior loans to participants on a straight up basis, not as a part of our existing facilities. So that is not part of the mix. I think more traditionally, in the past, the unitranche's that we've done have been the larger dollar amounts because it's a deeper – it's a larger multiple of the underlying EBITDA. So, it's not uncommon for us to have pre payments of those unitranche's given the market pressures and it will cause some swings in our assets. As my comments alluded, there's a lot more pressure in the senior asset category today. That's where most of the private debt funds are looking to put their money to work. And so it's been a little bit more challenging for us putting on assets in that category. The deal we closed after the end of the quarter was the unitranche and a number of our current pipeline activities are unitranche's. So, I would not look at the shift as a permanent event. $20 million in a transaction can swing those numbers fairly easily and we are committed to the continued roughly equal mix of first lien and second lien going forward.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay, I understand that that's helpful. I appreciate your time this morning. Those are all my questions. Thanks.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Thank you, Mickey.

David Gladstone

Analyst

Okay, do we have any other questions?

Operator

Operator

Yes. Our next question comes from Henry coffey with Wedbush. Your line is open.

Henry Coffey

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

Good morning. It's always good to go after Mickey because he's so detailed and focused. So thank you, sir. Thank you, Mickey. But in more general terms when you look at your portfolio companies, we've got two issues that you would both have the word volatility and then obvious be a lot of rate volatility, which could affect how your business performs. And then a lot of sort of economic shifting going on and then obviously, we're going into an election. When we close – if we just ignored all that and talk specifically to your companies, how are they doing? I mean, what are their business – their actual business outlook? What's it like out there in the field is kind of I'm asking the question.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

Henry, we're pretty diversified. So I think you have to recognize. There are some sectors where things are going reasonably well. Domestic manufacturing is going reasonably well. Some of the service-oriented businesses are doing reasonably well. If it's got an international flavor to it or if it's got the tariff issues that they've had to manage around, those obviously have been more challenging. Most of the investments that we've been focused on have a core organic growth opportunity to them, and well in excess of what the economic growth is today. And so, even if they are slow, they're still doing fairly well. So, if we looked at the sectors where we play today, it's pretty diversified, diversified manufacturing, diversified services are pretty strong. But I would also say that we've steered clear of anything that's housing related, we've steered clear of anything that's kind of retail oriented, given the continued consolidations and uncertainties of those marketplace. But overall, I think the majority of the movement that you're seeing in the portfolio, appreciation or depreciation, has more to do with our outside pricing service, which sets the price for a significant portion of our loans. And as you seen, there's probably typically in the recent market, a point to a point and a half of depreciation because of just the general market trends and valuation levels. So I can't be more specific without drilling into individual names Henry, and that's obviously not something we can do on this call.

Henry Coffey

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

And then when you jumped to the other side of the discussion and look at just the way rates are right now, and we almost have a – we've got a tweak of an inverted deal of a steepness in the yield curve, nothing to get really excited about, and then we have some recent increase in the tenure and that's only over the last five days. So when you look at the current rate environment, how do you think the company is positioned in terms of spreads and margins and what your investment rates will look like?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

Well look, I think a year ago, we were all thinking the LIBOR was going up and we were going to reap some lift on our cumulative margin and our modest leverage. I think in the current environment, it does not feel like the rates are going to go down much from here. So any decline, I would continue to point towards over exuberant competitive pressures. And frankly, that's not something that we're going to chase. We are very focused on growth oriented businesses that are looking for capital flexibility and follow on investments to grow their companies. And ultimately, by giving them those flexibilities, they're able to compound the return and expand their equity appreciation, and that doesn't change because interest rates moved 25 basis points. And so we are continuing to pursue those opportunities. That's the core of the marketplace. I think from our perspective yes, we refinanced some of our fixed rate structure debt down a little bit. We've reduced the weighting on the fixed side a little bit. I'd also venture to guess that there will be a discussion coming early 2020 with respect to spread on our bank line. And all of those things weighted together will give us some incremental flexibility as it relates to the net interest margin, but our net interest margin is held fairly consistent, and we're going to be disciplined around that. So I don't think it narrows from here. But I also don't think in the near term, given the competitive pressures it's likely to widen. I think we can we can make it work where it is. We'll just have to work a little harder to keep our costs low or lower them and we will look to increasing our leverage slightly over what we experienced last year to enhance the returns to the shareholders.

Henry Coffey

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

Great, thank you very much.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

Thank you, Henry.

David Gladstone

Analyst · Wedbush. Your line is open.

Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Gladstone for any further remarks.

David Gladstone

Analyst

Alright, thank you very much for listening. And we'll see you next quarter. That's the end of this call.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating you may all disconnect.