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Gladstone Capital Corporation (GLAD)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 1, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Gladstone Capital Shareholders Call, for the Quarter Ending June 30, 2018. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. David Gladstone. Sir, you may begin.

David Gladstone

Analyst

All right, thank you, Amanda. That's nice introduction and hello, and good morning, to everyone. This is David Gladstone, Chairman, and this is the quarterly earnings conference call for shareholders and for our analysts of Gladstone Capital for the quarter ending June 30, 2018. Thank you all for calling in. We are always happy to talk to our shareholders and analysts and welcome the opportunity to provide you with an update on our company and the investment portfolio. Now let's start out with our General Council, as we always do, he is also Secretary for the company, Michael LiCalsi, he is the President of Gladstone Administration, which is the Administrative of the Gladstone funds. Michael, go ahead.

Michael LiCalsi

Analyst

Thanks, Dave, and good morning. Today's report may include forward-looking statements under the Securities Act of 1933 and Securities Exchange Act of 1934, including those regarding our future performance. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that are based on our current plans, which we believe to be reasonable. Many factors may cause our actual results to be materially different from any future results, expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements, including all risk factors on our Form 10-Q, 10-K and other documents that we file with the SEC. Those can be found on our website at www.gladstone.capital.com, specifically the Investor Relations page of that website, or always on the SECs website, which is www.sec.gov. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. We ask that you take the opportunity to visit our website, once again, gladstonecapital.com, sign up for e-mail notification service, you could also find us on Twitter, to handle there is @gladstonecomps, or on Facebook, keyword, - Gladstone companies. Today's call is simply an overview of our results, so we ask that you review our press release and Form 10-Q, both issued yesterday, for more detailed information. Again, those can be found on the Investor Relations page of our website. With that, I'll turn the presentation back over to Gladstone Capital's President, Bob Marcotte. Bob?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Good morning and thank you all for dialing in today. And without ado, let's get into the results for last quarter. Our portfolio performance and capital position now conclude with some comments on the outlook for the balance of our fiscal year 2018. The highlights for the quarter ended June 30 include originations were $21 million for the quarter, including two follow-on investments and a smaller syndicated investment. As we had anticipated prepayments, they rose to $22 million during the quarter, which in addition to the usual amortization payments resulted in a $3.1 million decline in net investments, exclusive of any net investment appreciation on the quarter. Investment income rose 11.7% to $12.4 million, as interest income increased 4%, with the increase in average LIBOR rates, while prepayments and success fees rose to $900,000 and contributed about two-thirds of the increase in investment income compared to the prior quarter. For the quarter, the overall performance portfolio yield on our investment bearing - interest bearing portfolio increased to 11.8%, supported by the 33 basis points increase in LIBOR. Fee income lifted the annualized yield on the portfolio to 12.7% on the quarter. Net investment income rose 7%, to $6 million or $0.22 per share, as the net management fees rose with the elimination of any incentive fee credits and interest expense was unchanged, as the recently reduced bank line borrowing spread offset the increase in LIBOR rates. The net increase - the increase in net assets from operations totaled $0.45 per share, up from $0.35 per share last quarter, largely as a result of the $6.1 million of net portfolio appreciation which also lifted the return on equity for the quarter, to 20.3% and 14.8% for the trailing full quarters. Lastly, net asset value increased 2.8% or $0.24 per share to…

Nicole Schaltenbrand

Analyst

Thanks, Bob. Good morning, everyone. During the June quarter, total interest income increased by $400,000 or 4% over the prior quarter, due to the 33 basis points increase in average LIBOR rate. As the weighted average principal balance of our interest-bearing investment portfolio was largely unchanged since the prior quarter. Other income increased due to success fees and prepayment fees received associated with the pay-off of one of our large debt investments. Total expenses rose by $900,000 to $6.4 million for the quarter. Total financing expenses were unchanged since the prior quarter at $2.6 million and slightly lower average borrowings and the full effect of the bank credit line pricing reset last quarter more than offset the average of LIBOR increase. Net management and incentive fees rose $1.1 million as the incentive fee increased with the higher yield in the quarter and an incentive fee credits were eliminated as net investment income covered all distribution. Other expenses declined slightly on the quarter in the absence of one-time expenses associated with the amendment of the bank line that we recognized in prior quarter. For the quarter ended June 30th, net investment income was $6 million or $0.22 per share and covered a 105% of shareholder distribution. Moving over to the balance sheet. As of June 30th, we had approximately $415 million in total assets consisting of $405 million in investments at fair value and $10 million in cash and other assets. Liabilities declined slightly to a $170 million and consisted primarily of $117 million borrowings on our credit facility and about $52 million on Series 2024 term preferred stock, a liquidation value. Net assets increased by $13.2 million since the prior quarter end with a $6.1 million of net portfolio appreciation and $6.9 million of common equity raised under our ATM…

David Gladstone

Analyst

All right. Thank you, Nicole, and Bob and Michael, and all of you did a great job of informing our stockholders and analysts that follow the company. And in summary, Gladstone Capital had a good quarter, delivering strong financial results while enhancing new capital base and continuing to grow over the balance sheet of 2018 and beyond. The fund invested about $21 million in two - one new investment and several follow-ons. Investment income rose by about $1.3 million is really from two sources, the increase in LIBOR and also some fee income associated with a prepayment. Always hate to see prepayments come, but it's nice when they come, and we get the extra money coming in. That one yielded about 17.6%, so very nice investment. Net investment income was $6 million, that's about a 7% increase which is covered our dividend for the quarter $0.21. And with the net portfolio gain of $6.1 million in the quarter increase in net assets from operations totaled $12.1 million, about $0.45 a share. As a result of the $6.1 million, a net portfolio appreciation on the quarter and the return on equity we've continued the trend upward and stands at 14.8% for the last four quarters which is near the top of all the BDCs in our peer group. Net asset value increased 2.8% or $0.24 per share to $8.86. I'm not seeing a material impact to our borrowers regarding the tariffs that are being imposed may come in the next round. We think the tariff discussions are going to be over, hopefully soon. And as we see those countries coming to the table to remove some of all of the tariffs. I do read my Twitter account every morning to see what demand, who sets tariffs, what the IS data saying,…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg. Your line is open.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Yes, good morning everyone and congratulations on a very nice quarter. I wanted to start by asking about leverage. It's been a few months since the board approved the lower asset coverage ratio. And I realized that that's a work in progress. But I'd like to understand whether you've started talking to your banks regarding the credit facility and what sort of feedback they're giving you at this time.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Mickey as we discussed last quarter, we have two things to deal with. One is, we've got quite a window of time before it becomes effective for us for a variety of reasons. And two, let's say we're not a big BDC. And the broader BDC markets in the banks are going to be a part of setting how that evolves. What we've been told and continued to reiterate to us is that collateral drives the bank's leverage determination. The quality and performance of our portfolio continues to support the advance rates and the risk profile that the banks are concerned about. And that all likelihood the overall leverage is not going to be the issue it's the collateral advance rates. And we do not expect a change in the collateral advanced rates against our current portfolio. What that means is, I suspect we will get relief on the leverage limitation and continue to be held to the current performance of collateral advanced rates that we have in our existing agreement.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay, I understand. That's very helpful Bob. I'm curious also whether you've changed your target leverage. And if you haven't, could you just remind us what that number is?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

We have not changed our target leverage. We obviously continue to focus on the 200% test. At this point, we've got a fairly significant cushion to that 200% test especially given our capital base and our net asset value movement. So, I think as we get within a 10% cushion - a 10% benchmark that net asset coverage tests, we obviously begin to moderate and manage our originations as well as our liquidity events. So, as we start to get deep below 220% coverage, you start to see begin to manage our assets and capital base accordingly. So, to get to that point, we've got a fair bit of capacity today. And as I said, we probably see some prepayments in the near-term, which are good and bad. One is it will generate in many cases, fee income, but the yield on new assets may or may not be above where our historic yields have been.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay. I understand. And my last question is a little bit more housekeeping. I noticed on the alloy dye restructuring, you meaningfully lowered the coupon on the debt, but you didn't receive any additional preferred or common equity. I was interested in understanding why you didn't get more equity in return for the lower coupon?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

I think as it stands today, ADC is entirely controlled by GLAD and GAIN since this is a co-investment to getting more equity. When you already own the vast majority of the company, it doesn't really move the needle. The only one, you're diluting in that case is management. We've introduced a new management team to growth that business and they've done a remarkable job in improving the financial performance. So, not unusual to kind of hold your position in that kind of situation.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay, that is helpful. I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Thank you, Mickey. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of Christopher Testa of National Securities. Your line is open.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Hi, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions today. Bob, I appreciate your honesty on the private debt funds and others coming down market a lot of people are kind of covering the rise and pretending that's not the case. Just curious how you seen, how much of an impact in your opinion that's kind of had on terms and structures in you part of the sandbox and what have you seen?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Chris, we've seen some larger deals, we typically will see $570 million EBITDA businesses and we'll also see things that are approaching $10 million of EBITDA. We have obviously seen a much more acute competitive dynamic on the larger transactions. And in many cases, those are deals where the market multiples are elevated and there is a significant pressure on free cash flow to continue to grow those businesses. And so what happens is the unitranche becomes a more attractive vehicle because of the low amortization requirements, and so we are a private debt fund can put in $30 million to $50 million, it gets pretty aggressive, obviously as you go up market above $10 million to $20 million, you talk about six turns of leverage and 6.5 over LIBOR is being a benchmark, obviously if they can come down and do 4.5 turns of leverage at 6.5 to 7, that's a good yield for them. So, we typically are seeing the differential leverage and the differential in pricing impact transactions where there is $30 million to $50 million of potential investment opportunity. That's not our core market, but it does affect some transactions that we would otherwise look to participate with others in, so it's not our core but it does affect our opportunities.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Got it, okay, now that's great color. And you had mentioned also some banks getting involved a bit in some of those transactions. Are these predominantly the kind of smaller community banks, and regionals, or these some of the large banks actually participating here?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Mostly in our experience regional is our $10 billion to $30 billion banks looking to grow their C&I loan portfolio, they have got deposit basis, they are seeking the foot work and when we see a deal that might be a 3.5 or 375 leverage, maybe it's got some collateral, but not fully collateral coverage, it's got the right logos and sponsor, there are definitely situations where we have lost out in those cases to banks willing to take on that exposure.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Got it, I mean that's very helpful. Thank you. And how much of your senior secured book just approximately would you consider unitranche?

David Gladstone

Analyst

I don't know that we calculated.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

I would say.

David Gladstone

Analyst

Recent qualify, so how much of that to be over five turns leverage.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Oh! Gosh, you had to go back to the portfolio. The average leverage for our entire portfolio is about 3.8, or they are about last we looked. So, the vast majority of our senior loans are well under 4, I think we go into our - we go into the deals really focused on a unitranche approach a number of them might be 2 turns of leverage and we call it a unitranche, others might call it senior secured. So, I would focus on the aggregate overall leverage and the vast majority of them are well under four.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Okay. All right, now that's fair and extremely conservative. Thank you. And I know that Mickey had asked you guys about balance sheet leverage and appreciate the detail. Are there any thoughts on, if you don't' necessarily choose to use the optionality of going above your current target leverage, is there any thoughts on potentially just increasing the economic leverage of GLAS through a joint venture follow through obtaining a SBIC which is seems that your lending would be perfect for them. Just curious how the discussions on those who have been relevant to - those have been related to the increased ability to take on debt?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Two fairly broad-based questions there. I think the first and the easiest answer is no, we're not anticipating pursuing an SBIC in the near-term. We've kind of cooperative that into the past. Regarding joint ventures or elevating leverage, while that might hype the returns, I think we look at the overall risk portfolio and I don't think it's our interest to increase leverage on the smaller credits that we invest in. And frankly, I think given the economic - where we are in the economic cycle, I think we have been fairly conservative at approaching our leverage levels and using off balance sheet leverage to do that. I don't think it's consistent with where we are in the marketplace. So, while we were looking at that previously. I think we're focused on building the balance sheet leverage given the increased flexibility that we'll have in 2019 to address any issues about increase in the operating leverage for the benefit of the shareholders. So, at this point no, we're not actively seeking an off-balance sheet structure.

David Gladstone

Analyst

And just so you know about leverage for us there's some talk about increasing the leverage from the banks. I think at some point in time rather than bank short-term debt would be more in line with long-term debt that might have a variable rate that would match what we're doing. We're not in the business of leveraging up on short-term and going along with loans, so just think about the leverage part that you've been asking on questions, it's something that we talk about every day but we're not quite ready to go in deep on leverage at this point.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Following on David's comment, Chris, we need to build enough scale inside of the BDC to be able to cost effectively access the broader institutional capital markets. So, for us fragmenting our leveraged capital structure to create a cyber-fund works against creating the scaled issue and do more than just bank deals and very expensive baby bond transactions.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Got it. No, that makes perfect sense guys and appreciate your thoughtful answers. Last one from me if I may, congrats on turning around alloy die casting, that's great. Just curious, did you receive the full benefit of the interest payment from that back on accrual for 6.30 or should we expect the full interest income to be recorded for the 9.30 quarter on that?

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

The company is current on what was due for the quarter, you are astute in assessing there is accumulated deferred interest that will be recovered overtime as the company's cash will support that. We have not finalized as and when that may come through but that is a potential benefit on the horizon.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Okay, got it. All right. That's all for me. Thank you, guys, for taking my questions.

Bob Marcotte

Analyst

Thanks Chris.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, I am showing no further questions. I'd like to turn this conference back over to Mr. David Gladstone for the closing remarks.

David Gladstone

Analyst

All right. Thank you all for calling in and listening and we'll see you next quarter. That's the end of this call.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.