Operator
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to CGI's Third Quarter Fiscal 2025 Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Kevin Linder, SVP of Investor Relations. Go ahead, Mr. Linder.
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Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 30, 2025
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Operator
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to CGI's Third Quarter Fiscal 2025 Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Kevin Linder, SVP of Investor Relations. Go ahead, Mr. Linder.
Kevin Morris Linder
Management
Thank you, Joelle, and good morning. With me to discuss CGI's third quarter fiscal 2025 results are Francois Boulanger, our President and CEO; and Steve Perron, Executive Vice President and CFO. This call is being broadcast on cgi.com and recorded live at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Time on Wednesday, July 30, 2025. Supplemental slides as well as the press release we issued earlier this morning are available for download along with our Q3 MD&A, financial statements and accompanying notes, all of which have been filed with both SEDAR+ and EDGAR. Please note that some statements made on the call may be forward-looking. Actual events or results may differ materially from those expressed or implied, and CGI disclaims any intent or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. The complete safe harbor statement is available in both our MD&A and press release as well as on cgi.com. We recommend our investors read in its entirety. We are reporting our financial results in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards or IFRS. As always, we will also discuss non-GAAP performance measures, which should be viewed as supplemental. The MD&A contains definitions of each one used in our reporting. All of the dollar figures expressed on this call are Canadian, unless otherwise noted. Now I'll turn the call over to Steve to review our Q3 financial results. Steve?
Steve Perron
Management
Thank you, Kevin, and good day, everyone. In our third quarter of fiscal 2025, we continue to demonstrate discipline in managing our operations. We delivered $4.1 billion of revenue up 11.4% year-over-year or up 7% when excluding the impact of foreign exchange. Growth was mainly driven by recent business acquisitions and continued momentum in the financial services sector. In constant currency, the CGI client proximity segments with the strongest growth were U.K. and Australia at 37%, which incorporates a full quarter's revenue of BJSS. And across our U.S. segments, combined growth was 9%, primarily driven by our Aeyon and Daugherty merger investments. Geographically, our growth was balanced with North American operation at 7.4% and growth in our European segments at 6.6%. And demand remained strong for our Asia Pacific offshore delivery with revenue up 6.4%. From an industry perspective, constant currency revenue growth was led by financial services at 9.6% and government at 8.7%, partially offset by continued softness in Continental Europe particularly in the MRD sector. IP revenue grew in 6 of our 8 proximity segment on the strength of continued client interest for our business solutions especially with our financial services and energy and utilities clients. IP represented 20.6% of our total revenue impacted by the dilutive effect of recent business acquisition and lower volumes in our U.S. federal IP-enabled business process services. Bookings in the quarter were again over $4 billion for a book-to-bill ratio of 101% led by U.S. commercial and state government at 121%. Finland, Poland and Baltics at 113% and Scandinavia, Northwest and Central East Europe at 106%. When looking at service type, book-to-bill ratios were 106% for managed services and 96% for business and strategic IT consulting and systems integration. IP also had another strong quarter with a book-to-bill ratio of 127%, driven…
Francois Boulanger
Management
Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. CGI's performance in the third quarter again demonstrated the value of our resilient mix of services, industry sectors and global footprint, as well as our ability to proactively manage the fundamentals of our business. Our strategic deployment of capital in line with CGI's Build and Buy profitable growth strategy drove our performance in the quarter. CGI's results in the quarter placed us in the top quartile of our IT services peer group. Today, I will focus on the first 9 months of fiscal 2025, their current market environment and the outlook. For the first 3 quarters, revenue was up 8% or 4.4% on a constant currency basis to $11.9 billion. Adjusted EBIT was up 7% to $1.9 billion. Adjusted EPS was up 8.4% to $6.18. And on a trailing 12-month basis, cash from operations totaled $2.2 billion, continuing to reinforce our financial position to execute on our profitable growth strategy. Delivering quality remain high, and client satisfaction again increased across every dimension we measure. Clients continue to partner with CGI to address their most complex enterprise and ecosystem wide digitization initiatives. This client trust has driven bookings of nearly $12.8 billion over the first 3 quarters of the fiscal year, up by more than $560 million compared to the same period a year ago. Backlog also grew, representing 2 years of annual revenue. On a trailing 12-month basis, CGI's book-to-bill stands at 107% driven by sustained demand to help clients realize operational efficiencies, notably through managed services and our IP. In the quarter, we continue to see signs of renewed client spending in banking and the broader financial services sector with year-over-year bookings up by more than $400 million. On a trailing 12-month basis, bookings in this sector increased by more than $1…
Kevin Morris Linder
Management
Thanks, Francois Boulanger. We can now queue for questions.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Surinder Thind with Jefferies.
Surinder Singh Thind
Analyst
So I guess where I'd like to start with is can you talk a little bit about organic growth and organic growth in the 2 different segments? And what you're seeing there just to provide some context given all of the FX noise as well as the acquisitions?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Okay. I won't talk about the numbers by itself. As you know, we are presenting constant currency growth because, again, it's difficult to split from acquisition than organic. If I'm talking about the environment in general, we're still seeing some challenges, example, still with the tariffs. We have still some clients waiting a bit before investing to understand where tariffs will finish with. So we see that a lot in Europe. But at the same time, it's bringing a lot of opportunities on the managed services side. But on the SI&C side, it's still a bit slow, including business consulting also. So we see that especially in the manufacturing side, but on the other side, if I'm taking example, the financial sector, we are seeing good growth on the organic side in that industry especially in North America. And also, I was talking about booking just after quarter end with large banks in Europe. So we are seeing good momentum in the banking side of the business. And so as we saw growth -- organic growth in the past, and we will see that also in the future.
Surinder Singh Thind
Analyst
That's helpful. And then can you talk a little bit about -- just switching gears here a little bit about the partnership strategy. It sounded like maybe a bit more revenues are coming through that channel. Just any color there and any evolution in that part of the strategy?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Yes. It's something that we invest in the last couple of years to promote more our partnership with a large technology company. So it's paying off. So we're investing in the training of these technology and certification of this technology. And we are talking with them to see how we can better team together in front of clients. So it's paying off, and it will continue, I think, to pay off in the future. So it's a good initiative that we did in the past and it will give us dividend -- more dividend even in the future.
Surinder Singh Thind
Analyst
And I apologize, any color you can provide in terms of the percentage of bookings or any metric or quantitative measure of that strategy would be helpful, if at all possible?
Francois Boulanger
Management
I think that's the number we gave to you, right? So together and again, we just need to be clear, that's not what we're doing with this technology company, but it's really what we are working together on winning deals. So if I'm going back, what was the number, but we did say that we booked for $2.6 billion the go-to-market with them. So -- and that's an increase of 120% year-over-year. So that's really the payoff of investing in these relationships.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Divya Goyal with Scotiabank.
Divya S. Goyal
Analyst · Scotiabank.
Francois, if you could provide us a little bit more color. In terms of your margins broadly, like what are some of the margin expansion strategies that other than restructuring that you're deploying, you made a ton of acquisitions recently. How do you expect those as they get integrated to help with upliftment of the margins. And in the same vein, I want to ask U.S. federal margins, I did notice they are back to Q3 '24 levels. Is there seasonality in those as well?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Yes. So thanks, Divya, for the question. And Steve, you can comment also if you want. But on the margin, for sure, the integrations of our latest acquisition and especially BJSS will help to increase the margins. So it's the first full quarter of BJSS. We closed it at the end of the last quarter and the integration only started. So the idea is that when it will be fully integrated, it will improve the margin in our U.K. environment. Same thing for the U.S., we still see -- yes, we see some improvement in the U.S. margin. But we still have some work to do on finalizing some of the integration authority, and that will also, again, improve the margins. So the idea is that when these companies will be fully integrated, we are expecting margins to go up.
Steve Perron
Management
Yes, the effect also of the restructuring, we are -- as you know, we're quite disciplined in making sure that availability is there. And so we are taking action currently in order to improve some of the continental Europe SBUs and reporting segments.
Divya S. Goyal
Analyst · Scotiabank.
That's very helpful. One more question that I have is on the vendor consolidation trend. You noted some wins that you have observed across Europe and broadly on a global basis, and we've been hearing about these trends. So could you help us understand what is it about CGI that is much more differentiated than the global IT players that is helping you with this vendor consolidation trend? And how should we expect you to stay differentiated and continue to win this race?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Thanks, Divya. I think it's our client-centric approach. I think we are very close to the client, and that's what we're trying always to be understanding their challenges. And when we're delivering, we're delivering with a client approach. So -- and for us, it's making a big, big difference. And again, you'll see more of this and -- I was in Europe meeting with our clients with -- we have a good business, and they have 1,200 suppliers and they're feeling it's too much. They are saying that it's difficult to bring synergy when you have that much of suppliers. And so they want to reduce it. And they like our approach. They like the fact that we are client-centric. They like also the approach that our partnership approach, we are ready to co-invest in some of these processes with them and bring innovation so on the business side. So that's really what it's helping us to win in these vendor consolidation deals.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Jerome Dubreuil with Desjardins.
Jerome Dubreuil
Analyst · Desjardins.
The first one is kind of a two-pronged question on capital allocation. Accenture recently characterized the M&A environment as being a bit more difficult. So I wonder if you agree. And if you do, wondering what we should be expecting on the buyback side with results improving and the share price lagging the index?
Francois Boulanger
Management
I don't know with Accenture, but I would say I'm not in that same path. I think contrary, I think acquisition is still something that we're looking very closely. I think with valuations that are, I would say, lower than before. And you have a lot of targets that are at the point now that they need to do, taking again decision on their future. I think it's still a pretty active -- we have a pretty active pipeline, very good discussion. And I think that will continue. And now I'm more, I would say, bullish on that side on the acquisition. I'm not saying that we won't continue to do some share buyback. We have the capacity and capabilities to do both. I don't know, Steve, you want to say a bit.
Steve Perron
Management
Yes, if you look at just the recent quarters, there was no cash out for business acquisition, and we invested close to $300 million in share buybacks. So obviously, it's all -- it's -- our first priority is to invest in the business after that to invest in accretive M&A. And following that is the share buyback.
Jerome Dubreuil
Analyst · Desjardins.
Great. And second question, I'd like an update on those, if possible. There's a big peer reported last week saying there's a bit of a shift from cost cutting to modernization initiatives in the U.S. federal government. I'm wondering if you're seeing the same thing or it's still very much 100% focused on cost cutting?
Francois Boulanger
Management
For sure, at least all the demand of information, what are we delivering for the clients, by agency, what type of contract we're doing, that's mostly finished. And no more question on that side. And so we're back to having good discussion with our agencies and our clients on a daily basis. Like I said in the past, right, to do some cost saving on their side, they will need new systems. They will need more automations. And to do that, they'll need services like us to help them to achieve these targets. So that's where -- you're right. That's where we are now. We have good discussion with them, how can we help them on the cost savings? What type of automation we can do with them. That's the kind of conversation we have with them. And you see the booking did picked up on a sequential basis. We're still not at the same level that we were a year ago or 1.5 years ago. But these discussions are now happening. And my expectation is that we will see some improvement in the future.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Thanos Moschopoulos with BMO Capital Markets.
Thanos Moschopoulos
Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.
Your APAC BU continues to grow faster organically than the rest of the business. Can you speak to the key client geographies that are driving that? Is that heavily weighted to North America or other parts as well?
Francois Boulanger
Management
For sure, North America is big, and we're moving a lot of activities, GCCs, we won a big contract to create a GCC from -- in the U.S. So that's bringing some growth. I would say also, Germany is another place where we're starting to see momentum on India. They have pressure. As you know, we have a lot of manufacturing clients in Germany, for example, and they -- we are talking managed services, and we're showing them our capabilities in India, and they have a lot of interest. And so that's also good momentum on that side.
Thanos Moschopoulos
Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.
Right. And then on U.S. Federal, it seems like revenues were down a bit organically on sequential on a year-over-year basis. Just to clarify, with the lower BPO volumes be far and away the biggest reason for that? Or were there other factors?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Yes. No. For sure, as you know, we have a large contract, Visa contract where for 15-ish countries we are producing Visa for people who wants to come to U.S. And as we know, right, a lot less traveling in the U.S. in general. And so that has an impact on the Visa processes.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Richard Tse with National Bank Financial.
Richard Tse
Analyst · National Bank Financial.
With respect to the acquisitions, can you maybe talk about whether you have any sort of targets on that over the next 12 months? And I guess related -- how do you rank transformational deals against the metro market deals?
Steve Perron
Management
I'll start with the second, the rank. I don't know what do you mean by ranking. We are looking at all of them. And small and big. And it's like I'm always saying, it needs to be the right target at the right price at the right time. So large or small, we'll look at them. And we are looking at large and small and smaller and that will continue. So that's something -- and again, as for an outlook, I'm not sure if your first question was an outlook on this. It's difficult to say how many we will close in the future. again, we need to dance and we need to have to come to right agreement. So -- but we have a good funnel, a lot of discussions. And so we'll see how much we can close them in the future.
Richard Tse
Analyst · National Bank Financial.
Okay. That's helpful. With respect to sort of AI, there's been a lot of discussion here just on like your customers, but just curious as to how CGI is applying this internally. And from that perspective, how do you think it impacts your head count growth and also implications for your margins as we look ahead here?
Francois Boulanger
Management
We are using AI. We were using AI in the past, and we continue to -- we'll continue to use AI in the future and Gen AI and we are using it in our managed services to -- already, we signed deals in the past where we're saying to the clients, we'll give you savings, we'll give you x percent of saving, and we need to produce that saving. Some of it is produced by example, offshoring some activities to India, but some of it is also to apply automation tools, including AI. And so we are using these tools today and will continue in the future to produce savings that we promised to clients and also naturally to help us of improving and doing also a profit on this delivery. So we are doing it today, and we'll continue and even doing some acceleration of it in the future. So the impact of headcount, you can expect that you'll see headcount -- dollars or revenue by headcount going up that will continue to increase in the future, and it's normal because our people will become more and more productive using more and more of these tools. So -- and again, overall in AI, we will need -- and clients will need expert to implement these tools and we are the right expert to help them on this.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Suthan Sukumar with Stifel.
Suthan Sukumar
Analyst · Stifel.
Thank you. For my first one, I wanted to touch on your IP strategy and the investments that you're making in this category. How much of your focus here will be on direct sort of in-house R&D versus core development with clients? And I think you mentioned about 40% of your IP is now being driven by AI. From a road map perspective, what are some of the other IP product priorities you have beyond AI?
Francois Boulanger
Management
First of all, on the second question, really, the idea was to say 40% of our IP is now -- and you have AI embedded in these IPs. So that's really what we're saying. And our large IP where we have success, I will tell you is like our ERP systems and we have embedded AI in our ERP systems. We have embedded AI in several of our financial sector, like our trade platform, our wealth platform, Wealth360 platform, we are implementing AI functionality to help clients to gain even more savings by using some of these AI functionalities. So that's really why we were talking about AI. And overall, on the IP side, a bit the same answer, Government sector IP is going very well. And you saw a couple of announcements we did, the example with last quarter with State of California. And this quarter, again, another one was State of California I talked about our Wealth360 deal or extension that we did in Canada. It's really in these 2 sectors that we're seeing very good momentum on our IP solutions.
Suthan Sukumar
Analyst · Stifel.
Great. My second question, I wanted to touch on some of the integration progress with the recent deals that you've done. Is there anything that may have stood out to you with respect to the ongoing integration or at the growth opportunity with some of these recent deals relative to some of your initial assumptions going into them?
Francois Boulanger
Management
For sure, what we're seeing is that I'll take example, Daugherty one in the U.S. we are seeing a good momentum on how we can integrate the CGI capabilities with Daugherty relationship that they have with their clients. And we have good discussions with some of these Daugherty clients to show to them our expertise that we have example in India. So some of them did visit India and seeing what we have and what we can bring to the table. Same thing with BJSS, we had the start of this, but still again already very good discussion with clients and really to show to them. Yes, BJSS, you'll still have the great relationship and a great delivery from them. But here's what you can also have from the larger CGI. And for now, clients are very happy or very impressed about what they're seeing.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Paul Treiber with RBC Capital Markets.
Paul Michael Treiber
Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.
Just a couple of questions here on AI, further on AI. How do you see CGI's competitive position within AI in the IT services market, meaning do you see AI as increasing overall competition? Or do you think that AI raises the barriers to entry and that would strengthen CGI's position versus competitors?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Well, I think AI to use it right and to help the clients, you need to have expertise. And I think that's where our -- that's what we're bringing at the table. And I think that's why we are doing investment in AI. That's why we're training our people in AI. And I'm a strong believer that clients to be able to implement these tools and use these tools the right way. They will need expert like us. And so I think that will bring a lot of new opportunities for us and solutions to our clients.
Paul Michael Treiber
Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.
And in terms of the economics of AI and the potential productivity gains, are your clients starting to see productivity gains from AI? And then have they been reinvesting those gains back into other projects? Or have they just been using those gains to drive just higher ROI on those projects?
Francois Boulanger
Management
I would say that clients will have budget, right? And yes, some you'll have -- and that's more on the environment side. We'll have sometimes request from their CEOs to reduce some of the budget. But at the same time, they want to spend the money. And now with AI, they can do more with less. So it's really what's happening is that some of these, like you're saying, Paul, some of the savings that we can produce by delivering faster they're turning around and saying, "Oh, finally, I can do more, and let's accelerate some transformation" for example, that we were not able to do in the past because I still have the run side of the business to happen. So now we're coming in. We're showing them how we can reduce the run and they're taking that run saving and investing it back in the transformation side.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Stephanie Price with CIBC.
Stephanie Doris Price
Analyst · CIBC.
As you look into the second half of the calendar year here, it sounds like you're definitely seeing some green shoots out there. Just curious about how you think about overall constant currency organic growth as you look into the back half of the year. Do you think we could have seen a floor already? Or do you think that things are starting to turn, but it could take a few more quarters for the bottom?
Francois Boulanger
Management
Yes. I think we're at the floor, right? And -- but again, the environment we'll see where the environment is finishing, especially on the tariff. I think we're starting to see an end to it or some agreements across the world. And I think when these agreements will be finalized, that will bring to the clients a certain certainty, right, of how much they need to pay and stuff like that and what will be the impact on the economy. And when that will be digested, I think that's where we'll see some momentum coming back. So I think it will take a couple -- still a couple of quarters to arrive to that. But again, I was in Germany and Europe a couple of weeks ago. Like I'm saying, I'm seeing -- I went to see a bank and bank were very positive and doing some larger investments. But on the manufacturing side, they were there and saying, okay, we're looking at the tariffs. We're trying to understand where it will finish too. And after that, we'll be able to adjust our budgets and investment budget. So that's where we are. And I'm saying, I think it can take still a couple of quarters.
Stephanie Doris Price
Analyst · CIBC.
That makes sense. And then you mentioned in your prepared remarks that momentum is 1 of 2 approved government systems. Wonder if you could talk a bit about your approach to winning share here and if there's any key contracts that are for renewal or how you think about momentum going forward in this environment?
Francois Boulanger
Management
We're very -- momentum is a great tool. Our clients like it. It's a tool that is specific, like let's be clear, right. Momentum is only for government. Only for -- only for the federal government. So when the clients are looking at it, they are seeing it's really answering all their needs. So I'm very -- if they are really pushing to go to only 2, I think that will create a lot of new opportunities for us in the future. That's for sure.
Operator
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Kevin for closing remarks.
Kevin Morris Linder
Management
Thanks, everyone, for participating. And as a reminder, a replay of the call will be available either via our website or by dialing 1 888-660-6264 and using the passcode 28135. As well, a podcast on this call will be available for download within a few hours. Follow-up questions can be directed to me at 1 905-973-8363. Thanks, again, everyone, and look forward to speaking soon.
Operator
Operator
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