George Schindler
Management
Yes. I would say, I don't know, it's been the last 3 months. But certainly, over the last 6 months, we have seen that shift to be a little more pronounced. But you know it really varies, and it plays into the strength of our diversity across geographies, our strength of diversity across industries and then, of course, the services that we offer. So it's -- it really -- it varies, a little more conservative on some of the SI&C and more interest in the savings associated with managed IT in Europe; a little more bullish, of course, in the U.S.; Canada is a little bit in between. From an industry perspective, I would say, manufacturing is really focused on getting some of those savings, not surprising, given some of the effects of the trade climate has on manufacturing. On the other side, financial services are looking to accelerate, so more demand for IP. And then what's interesting is we see that both in the retail and in the communications sector, the pipeline actually growing for some of our consulting and systems integration services as they look to integrate new technologies, kind of they're on the second wave, if you will, of digital transformation, given that they're consumer-driven, kind of on the tip of that, looking at more artificial intelligence, data analytics in -- into their portfolios. And then in communications, really investing in 5G and the opportunities. It's still early days on that, but we kind of see that. That's probably why this shift is a little different than the last economic downturn. Where you don't see that, that strong shift down certainly weakening on the consulting and system integration but still demand there, but still the uptick on the managed services. So intermediate term, I think the shift will be good for CGI. Short term, there's always disruption in that.