James Lines
Analyst · Gabelli Funds.
We play in the renewable diesel. I spoke about that a moment ago as it pertains to the refining or the use of a bio-based feedstock for producing diesel. But outside of that, in the energy transition, now we're in the early phases. We're trying to make sure we're in the conversation. We're a supplier to these markets. We are also in the hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle market. And there we serve that market across three types of customers. We are working with the industrial gas companies that provide the hydrogen, if you will. The hydrogen application for fueling cells is very high pressure. For a vehicle, it's at 10,000 PSI. For mass transportation, it's at about 5,000 PSI. The gas has to be compressed to those high pressures. We work with compressor OEMs for our equipment that supports their compression equipment. Then we also work with integrators that take the components and put them into a fueling system. And there, on the back end of the system, the hydrogen, when it's dispensed into a vehicle needs to be at about minus 40 degrees C, minus 40 degrees F. We provide heat exchangers that provide that cooling and deliver the hydrogen to the vehicle at the right temperature. Now these are smallish applications. And average selling price for us is $10,000 to $50,000. It's important that we're there. This is a long-term play. These would be highly engineered standard products, which would be different from our ETO-type large project work. Similarly, in the compressed natural gas value chain, which can also be for fuels, can also be for natural gas distribution in remote areas, there we play in a similar manner. Those distribution systems are at about 5,000 psig for compressed natural gas. It's a compressor OEM or a system integrator that we're working with. So, those are a couple of examples of how we're in the conversation, taking our products into those markets and making sure we are participating in the evolving energy market as that moves from using fossil fuel to other complementary alternative fuels. So, renewable diesel. Also, renewable to chemicals, we do play in that. We've been playing in that for probably over a decade. Those are very intermittent type projects, but we do play there as well. And then, of course, as I said, renewable diesel or biodiesel, which is different, and we've been in those projects for about a decade as well, along with when ethanol took off, we played there as well. But today, I'd say the big movers are renewable diesel, the hydrogen economy and the natural gas value chain.