Patrick Gruber
Analyst · Peter Gastreich from Water Tower Research. Peter, your line is now open. Peter, your line is now open
Sure. So, first off, in California, the LCFS market, it's hard to predict what's going to happen with carbon price. And they all, when we have, when we look at all the consultants and analyst reports, everybody thinks it's going to increase eventually. And so, for us, that's going to be good in the long run. But you know what? When we're selling jet fuel, when we have NZ one running, it isn't going to all go to California anyway. It's going to go to Illinois, where there's a dollar and a half tax benefit. Or it might go up to Washington state or Oregon or Minnesota or one of these other places where there's state level tax credits. So, it really is not one of these things where it's not being built to send it to California. It's going to go built wherever they're sent to the highest margin environment. And everybody is oriented that way. So, it's pretty interesting and that's going well. And then in terms of the, what's interesting about a business like ours is that, it's an infrastructure development business. We're creating new infrastructure. It's energy security. It is, yes. We're solving a carbon problem. We're doing it cost effectively. We have published our McKinsey results previously, and anyone who, you should all look at that carefully and you'll see that we have the lowest cash cost production. We have capital costs that have to be paid back great. That's what government incentives pay for. But the payback is quite great for those government incentives. So, it's a, there's a lot of good things to rally around and that we can solve a problem. It's a drop in fuel. You don't have to create all new infrastructure. It's leveraging existing infrastructure. We're building new renewable energy infrastructure in concert with the jet fuel. So, it's a, there's a lot that is good about this, and it's in rural America and it helps climate smart agriculture, it helps rural farms, it helps the environment. So, both sides of the aisle like what we're doing, near as we can tell. And so, we are a project that we see people, lots of folk, political folk of all types, are keeping an eye on us because we're trying to get it done right. So, it makes sense. We're not trying to say, give me the windfall. We aren't doing a windfall. We aren't asking for a windfall. Incremental progress will show the results. We can prove that we've done well. We've reduced carbon. We can prove it. You know, we're building up the infrastructure, creating a whole bunch of jobs. And you'll stay tuned. We're going to publish a report about this tomorrow. But it is good. It's a good story. It plays politically. So, we're an example where it can be done right. And so, I think that helps the rally point now in terms of what coming into policy then what you have to take into account is the IRA bill so far. And the precedent set under 40b was pretty darn good, in that it did enshrine the Grete model, albeit a modified Grete model. Still, it's pretty good what they did. And it's enshrined. So that eliminates that doubt for the future. And then it also enshrined carbon sequestration. That's good. And it did enshrine at least the beginnings of how to account for agriculture and inputs for the raw materials. And that's important. They did it with, by bundling and some other things. And they'll be, that'll get modified over time. But you know what? It's a great step in the right direction. And so, it's a, we're liking all the steps that we see. We know that talking with lots of people on both sides of the aisle, people, they want it. They like it when you can prove that you did something to get something from the government. That plays pretty darn well. And so, I think that trend will continue. So, I think there's support on both sides of the aisle for extending 45z or 40b, but probably 45z. And I think we'll see that support. I heard there was a letter today that was sent, a bunch of republicans got together in the house and we're saying that they want to see it extended. So, we'll see. You know, it's a. We're in a good spot. And of course, as we're planning, our economics has to withstand all challenges for the future. The good news is it looks like it does. So, we're in pretty good shape overall.