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Geospace Technologies Corporation (GEOS)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Dec 1, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Geospace Technologies' Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from Geospace is Mr. Rick Wheeler, President and Chief Executive Officer. He's joined by Tom McEntire, the company's Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded and will be available on the Geospace Technologies' Investor Relations website following the call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. [Operator Instructions] It's now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Mr. Rick Wheeler. Please go ahead.

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Good morning and welcome to Geospace Technologies conference call for the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2017. I'm Rick Wheeler, the company's President and Chief Executive Officer and I'm joined here with Tom McEntire, the company's Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'll start the call with the prepared overview of the quarter and Tom will then follow with an in-depth commentary of our financial performance. Next, I'll close the prepared portion of the call with some final remark, and we'll open the line for questions. For everyone's convenience, we'll link a recording of this call in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.geospace.com. Be aware that the information we discuss this morning is time-sensitive and may not be accurate on the date one listens to that replay. Also, many statements made today can be considered forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. This includes comments about the market for our products, revenue recognition, planned operations, and capital expenditures. All such statements are based on our present knowledge and perception, while actual outcomes are influenced by uncertainties and other factors that we're unable to predict or control. Related risks, both known and unknown, can lead to undesirable results or cause our performance materially differ from what we may express or imply. These risks and uncertainties include those discussed in our SEC Form 10-K and Form 10-Q filings. Yesterday, after the market closed, the company released its financial results for the fourth quarter and 2017 fiscal year, which ended September 30, 2017. As noted, revenue generated in the fourth quarter totaled $23.7 million, an increase of 45% over the last year's fourth quarter. This represents the largest quarterly revenue received since the second quarter of fiscal year 2015. A large portion of this…

Tom McEntire

Analyst

Thanks Rick and good morning everyone. Before I begin, I'd like to remind everyone that we will not provide any specific revenue or earnings guidance during this call. In yesterday's press release for our fourth quarter ended September 30th, 2017, we reported revenue of $23.7 million compared to last year's revenue of $16.3 million. Our net loss for the quarter was $19.2 million or a $1.46 per share compared to last year's net loss of $12.3 million or $0.94 per diluted share. For the year ended September 30th, 2017, we reported revenue of $73.7 million compared to revenue of $62 million last year. Our net loss for the year was $56.8 million or a loss of $4.32 per diluted share compared to last year's net loss of $46 million or a loss of $3.52 per diluted share. For each of the current year periods, we were not able to recognize any income tax benefits related to our pretax losses in the U.S. and Canada, which affects the comparability of the fiscal year 2017 results with those of last year. The breakdown of our seismic product revenue is as follows. Our GSX and OBX wireless product revenue for the quarter was $11.1 million, an increase of 112% compared to revenue of $5.2 million last year. Revenue for the year was $29.7 million, an increase of 61% compared to $18.4 million last year. This increase for both the current year -- for both of the current year periods, primarily resulted from a sale of 45,000 channels of our GSX wireless recording stations -- I'm sorry recording system from our rental fleet in our fourth quarter. The increase was partially offset by decline in OBX rental revenues during each period of fiscal year 2017. Our traditional product revenue for the fourth quarter was…

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Thank you, Tom. When we began fiscal year 2017, all indicators pointed to a persistence of similar depressed conditions for the seismic equipment market that had been experienced in the previous fiscal year. Throughout the year, this assessment proved to be essentially accurate as a consequence of continued low seismic exploration funding by oil and gas companies. As the 2017 fiscal year has now come to a close, we're encouraged that total revenue increased over last year and that quoting activity as reported by our customers is also increasing. However, optimism remains guarded and that we believe our recovery in seismic industry will be gradual and that demand for our seismic products will lag behind initial market improvements. Our latest product offerings are currently under evaluation and testing by both existing as well as new potential customers and are being recognized for the utility inefficiencies their new features can provide. These products and our repetition for customer support provide an abounding opportunity for us to take advantage of and improve seismic exploration and reservoir characterization industry for both technical and operational performance is important. Our strong balance sheet includes $51.2 million in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments and is further highlighted by the lack of any long-term debt. Combined with our borrowing availability of $23.8 million from our credit agreement, our total liquidity at September 30th of 2017 was $75 million. In concert with our ongoing cost management efforts, this strong financial position and our technical competence leave us well prepared, we believe, for the future. This concludes our prepared remarks and now I'll turn the call back over to Keith for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial. Please go ahead.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

Hey, good morning. Long time since I talked to you guys. So, first off, I just want to ask you this historical seasonality that your business has seen, is that out of the way as far as given the world levels of the business overall? Or is the seasonality is still an issue?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Yes, Hameed, there is still a seasonal aspect of some of our business up in Canada and even in Russia. There is a winter seismic season that's very busy and so to the extent that those businesses are active, that's typically the time of the year that they may their hay and the rest of the year they're pretty slow.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

Okay. And given the market activity you're talking about from customers is that in those regions or are you seeing in offshore areas within the U.S.?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Well, offshore, I guess, our intersection with offshore is with the PRM systems and certainly, we haven't seen a much in the way of PRM system investments. As we said the 2012 was the last contract globally that was entered into in that regard. Marine products that we have, which are part of our traditional product line, are in fact, still depressed overall and to the extent that offshore work relies on marine seismic acquisition, that market is still not what it used to be.

Tom McEntire

Analyst

In addition to what Rick was saying, we have another marine product that's a wireless product that has been fairly popular here even during this downturn. And so it's a rental product, mostly and we have large handful of customers that rent those units and deploy them around the world and return them back to us on a rental basis.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

Okay, got you. And then talking about inventories, would you have offhand amount of what the value of inventory is actually really sellable versus what is on the books?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Well, we take reserves on that and list them separately so that you can really see how that works. What we believe is our -- we believe all our inventory is available for sale and is very sellable by any metrics that you want to use. But nonetheless when it's a situation as these most recent times where it's not being sold, you have to put some sort of reserve against it, so that you are transparent about that.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

No, I understand that. What I'm trying to get to is I think a few years ago, while the downturn was happening, you were carrying inventory about 120 or so and now you're carrying inventory of less than half of that. And I know you've taken lot of charges against it. So, I'm trying to understand is how much of it is actually sellable versus very much obsolete it's basically been thrown away?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

I think that's a very fair question, but I think quite honestly, it's representative of -- it's sellable at this point in time, we don't have that.

Tom McEntire

Analyst

Yes, Hameed, all the inventory that we're holding even the inventory that has reserves against it, we're holding it because we believe it is sellable. So, we believe all of our inventory is sellable otherwise we would throw it away.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

Got you. And then how much pricing power do you have in the market? Is it still inundated with lot of inventory, there's just no pricing power at all?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Well, there's certainly an oversupply of equipment out there. So, there is certain pressure on price that's unavoidable in that environment. I think that our equipment has earned a very good name for itself and we intend to keep that in the new equipment that we're offering and making available to. But you bet, there is significant price pressure out there because of the oversupply that is existing right now.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

My last question. Can you basically summarize the state of the market as far as -- I know you talk about you seeing quote activity. Does it -- since oil has been now hovering around $50 to $60 for a long time, is it -- people are getting used to it, finally starting to plan out with their CapEx based around this level, is that what you're finally getting to see?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Well, as we said and actually, it's demonstrated in the performance this year, we certainly have improvement and over the last year and in our estimation, those improvements are likely to continue. Most what you've seen in the oil industry so far has been a withholding of funding for exploration activities and mostly, any monies for CapEx at all had been involved in the production side of things. That's not a sustainable condition and so you have to come to terms with that at some point and provide exploration. If you examine some of the filings and other discussions that the oil companies, some of them are having themselves, they're admitting the fact that they have depleted much of what they've had in the ways of reserves as a function of not exploring for new things.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Cox, [Ivy] [ph] Investments. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. Just quickly on the conversation with the PRM customer who chose to go with only fiber-optic. Was this a customer who had previously purchased PRM systems from Geospace and is opting to switch technologies or someone who is relatively new to PRM has just made a decision to go fiber-optic over electrical sensor?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

This was one of our existing customers, so certainly they were customers that we had sold product into. So, it was a choice of a different technology. And there are many reasons for those choices, but most of them have nothing to do with technical merits or anything. So to that extent, all I can say is it was a customer that we have done business with.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. I mean, can you -- can you maybe elaborate just a little bit on what you think might have been their motivation to switch from your technology to something else? And what -- was it price, is it -- was there anything about your product in terms of performance expectation, what might have been their motivation?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Well, to be quite honest, in much of our discussions, we're not privy to some of that information because they are in a tender process and they are really not allowed to speak to us to any large extent. But I can reiterate from a technology point of view, I mean, there is no question that our technology has the largest track record -- there are some fiber-optic PRM systems out there. But without doubt, the highest performance systems in existence are ours.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Switching gears slightly. I want to make sure I got these numbers correct. But I think I heard you guys say that, in terms of 2018 expectations, $6 million of cash investment in the rental equipment and $3 million of PP&E, is that correct on the CapEx side?

Tom McEntire

Analyst

That's right.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Those are obviously big, big increases over the last three years on both fronts, is that simply a reflection of your optimism? And then how you to think about sort of balancing the need to preserve cash in sort of the bunker mentality that you -- if I just -- the year just ended, you spent roughly $1.5 million combined in those two things in cash and now you're talking about spending $9 million. So, cash is sort of king in this world. So, how do you think about the tradeoff between preserving cash and making cash investments?

Tom McEntire

Analyst

Yes, the first thing is, is that there has to be demand for the rental equipment before we will spend that cash. And so some of that cash will be spent because we do have demand and in fact, we are working to replenish some of the equipment that we sold last year. And so -- and we expect those investments to generate cash. So, to the extent that we're going to put cash in rental fleet, we're expecting to get it out. And on the PP&E side, that's just what our budget is, that almost mirrors what our budget was in the previous year. And if we need to spend it, we will and if we don't, we won't.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Thank you. One more sort of geeky balance sheet thing. The increase in the non-current finance receivable year-over-year, is that related to the sale of the rental equipment or what sort of driven that $1.8 million to $8.2 million increase and the obviously coming with a doubling of the allowance, just asking about that.

Tom McEntire

Analyst

That's exactly right. We gave a three-year financing term on the equipment sales at the end of the year and so that will be collected over a three-year period.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And then the increase in allowances is that related to the same customer or is that just -- is that separate?

Tom McEntire

Analyst

That's separate.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And then lastly, just obviously, you expressed some guarded optimism with regard to the coming year. On the PRM side, it's specifically, obviously we're not expecting revenues this early in 2018, but how would you characterize the remaining conversations that you are having in terms of interest level on the part of the customers?

Tom McEntire

Analyst

Very encouraging. I mean we are still in discussions on other fields and other customers that are very promising. But these things take time before they manifest into a contract that produces revenue. And so, therefore, that's why we're saying that we don't think that's likely to make its way into revenue in 2018.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it, okay. Thank you guys very much.

Tom McEntire

Analyst

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Dezellem with Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Thank you. A couple of questions. First of all, as you think about this winter, you had mentioned that this is a seasonally stronger period where you're seeing it as the opportunities now that the winter is upon us in the northern hemisphere?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Well, we do see some improvements there. Fundamentally though, it's still not what it has been in prior years, but certainly, demand through the quoting process, as well as the rental activity in this sale that was -- that transpired in the fourth quarter were certainly indicators that there is improvement.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

So that sale was specifically for some winter tender type work?

Tom McEntire

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Well, it's getting to be wintertime.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Understood. And then the other opportunities that you are seeing for the colder markets, how would you characterize that versus last year specifically?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Really, I couldn't say. Bill I'd say--

Bill Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Let me switch, if I may. If you look at the various opportunities that you see over the coming 12 months or the next fiscal year, varies the biggest opportunity for revenue growth you see?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

I don't know if we can -- I wouldn't want to make up something for you Bill. I think that we believe our OBX product has a lot of traction and has potential for more traction and use in the coming years. Certainly, that indicators that's the case. The landside is always hard to predict. You know as well as anyone else that that is an extremely lumpy business in terms of how that manifests. But I can tell you that the activity, as we see through the eyes of our customers, is an improved state from what it has been.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll go next to David Nierenberg with Nierenberg Investment Management. Please go ahead.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

Good morning guys.

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Hi David.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

Congratulations on a very nice sequential jump in revenue.

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Thank you.

Tom McEntire

Analyst

Thank you.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

Also want to note in connection with that the magnitude of the various non-cash charges not only the ones you mentioned, but also the compensation-related non-cash charges suggests to me that the operating cash loss for the September quarter was probably only in the infinity of about $1 million. I may be wrong, but that looks very different, of course, from the $18 million or $19 million that you posted. And it suggests that if the increase in quoting activity that you say is improved -- persists into fiscal 2018 that you are operating activities from a cash point of view could be breakeven or even cash flow positive?

Tom McEntire

Analyst

Well, going back to 2017, if you go and subtract the $12.8 million tax refund from the operating cash flows that I think you come out with a $1 million to $2 million operating use of cash from operations. Going forward, we're little hesitant to predict what the cash flows will be. Although I would say that without income tax refund in the current 2018 year, it's unlikely that we're going to generate cash. However, with that being said, it depends a lot on our rental revenues, especially the OBX rental revenues. And so to the extent that we have a better year in OBX rental revenues, that could change. Also keep in mind that we're planning to spend more cash this year on capital equipment, some of which should come back to us in cash, but it's hard to read David, so with all that thrown around, I'll let you figure out what you want to take and leave.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

And I would like to ask you for a little bit of explanation please about one word that you use to talk about potential customers for the PRM system. You use the word discerning in the press release about those who you think could be prospective customers. And we're interested in better understanding why you said that? What you meant by that? I'd like to hear that kind of color please?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Sure. Well, I mean, fundamentally in the offshore world, reservoir monitoring is a given for the most part, you have to do it. But in many cases, it's performed from an operating expense point of view and just temporal surveys are brought in to try to image those reserves on a periodic basis. But there's a lot more of a return when one examines the broader aspect of the financial side in having a permanent system. Where in that you get a reap of those capital expenses now versus operating expenses, but requiring investment that you will then get your return in anywhere from five to seven years or so. So, there's a certain amount of a discerning need with respect to those operators to examine the financials and the benefits that they can reap in longer term.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

And was there any coincidence that you use that word in connection with the distinction between fiber-optic and electrical systems or was that just random?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

No, I think that -- I mean discerning should be other technical side too as that relates, but fiber-optic systems just do not provide the resolution that our systems do. One may be tempted to examine them in any case, but if you want higher performance, then you will need something else.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

Got it. Last question is about the three-year accounts receivable, really a question for Tom about how comfortable you are bearing that credit risk associated with that customer?

Tom McEntire

Analyst

We are very comfortable. This is the customer that has a strong balance sheet and we have never had a problem with them in the past and so yes, I feel very good about this one.

David Nierenberg

Analyst

Okay. Well, you used the word encouraged several times in your comments and press releases and that's encouraging. Thank you.

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Thank you, David.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we do have a follow-up from Bill Dezellem. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Thank you. I'm going to expose my ignorance here if I may. And you just mentioned, Rick, that the fiber-optic does not have as good image quality as your system. And as I think about other areas where fiber-optics is used versus other options and it's specifically phone lines, crypto mining, or data lines for example, they tend to be preferred or sought of as better in my mind. Would you please kind of walk us through why fiber-optic, from a technical standpoint, is not as good as your system or others that might be available also for those of us who are [Indiscernible] area?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Sure. And one distinction that one needs to make based on what your comment was there is that fiber-optics, as it is used in the form of communications, is in an entirely different application of fiber optics than using it for acoustic sensing. So, fiber-optics with respect to data, as you mentioned, is a communications aspect and it's a great digital means of transferring digital data of one form or another over long distances and likely preferred over electrical. But it's an entirely different manifestation of the technology to try to use fiber-optics in order to sense acoustics or other seismic type of events. So, there's really not a direct relationship between those two.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

That's helpful. Thank you. And so for those who choose to use fiber-optics and I'm not thinking about the customers as much as I am the equipment suppliers, what would make them go down in that path versus another path if it is -- it's technically straightforward that fiber-optic is not as good of an image?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

It may be availability or just a lack of full understanding in some cases. And other cases, it may be how it might tie into other aspects of a contract that might be taking place, unrelated to the technology.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Thanks. And taking it a step further, how about the cost, not the sales cost, but just the manufacturing cost, if one were to have a fiber-optic system versus an electric -- electrical-base system, how will the cost compare between those two?

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

I'm not really sure to be honest. We don't -- we've not involved ourselves in the manufacture of fiber-optics sensing technology. We certainly use fiber-optics in our data transmissions and our other components within our system for that purpose, but not with respect to the sensing. I wouldn't anticipate there's vast cost differences one way or other because of the methodologies one has to use to build either one of them, but I don't have an accurate answer that for you.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Great. Thanks for indulging my ignorance. I do appreciate it.

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

And it appears we have no further questions at this time. I'll return the floor to Rick Wheeler for additional or closing remarks.

Rick Wheeler

Analyst

All right, well thanks, Keith, and thanks to everyone who joined our call today. So, we look forward to speaking with you on our first quarter conference call some time in February. So, thanks and good bye.

Operator

Operator

And this will conclude today's program. Thanks for your participation. You may now disconnect.