Good morning and welcome to the GEO Group Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event has been recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Pablo Paez, Executive Vice President of Corporate Relations. Please, go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for today's discussion of the GEO Group’s fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings results. With us today are George Zoley, Executive Chairman of the Board; Jose Gordo, Chief Executive Officer; Brian Evans, Chief Financial Officer; Wayne Calabrese, Chief Operating Officer; and James Black, President of GEO Secure Services. This morning, we will discuss our four quarter and full year results as well as our outlook. We will conclude the call with a question-and-answer session. This conference call is also being webcast live on our Investor website at investors.geogroup.com. Today, we will discuss non-GAAP basis information. A reconciliation from non-GAAP basis information to GAAP basis results is included in the press release and supplemental disclosure we issued this morning. Additionally, much of the information we will discuss today, including the answers we give in response to your questions, may include forward-looking statements regarding our beliefs and current expectations with respect to various matters. These forward-looking statements are intended to fall within the Safe Harbor provisions of the securities laws. Our actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements, as a result of various factors contained in our Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including the Form 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K reports. With that, please allow me to turn this call over to our Executive Chairman, George Zoley. George?

Thank you, Pablo, and good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us on our fourth quarter 2022 earnings call. I would like to begin by welcoming back Wayne Calabrese who began serving as Chief Operating Officer in December, a position which he previously held at GEO for over a decade until his retirement in 2010. I would also like to congratulate Ann Schlarb and David Venturella on their recent retirements. We are grateful for their many years of service to GEO and look forward to their new roles as GEO consultants. I'm pleased to be joined today by our senior management to review our fourth quarter and year end financial results, our initial guidance for 2023 and our continued efforts to reduce our overall debt and reduce our net leverage. Our diversified business units delivered strong operating and financial performance throughout the entire year. We are pleased to have achieved one of the highest quarterly revenues in our company's history, which grew 11% from one year ago to approximately $621 million, along with quarterly GAAP net income of approximately $42 million. And our quarterly adjusted EBITDA reached a new all time high of $145 million, growing 17% year over year. We believe the adjusted EBITDA is the most important non-GAAP metric of profitability for our company, since it provides the best measure of the fundamentals deriving our operating performance before the impact of non-cash expenses related to our significant asset base and fluctuations in interest rates. We were able to achieve strong adjusted EBITDA growth throughout the entire year, despite continuing challenges associated with a COVID pandemic and federal policy changes that primarily impacted our Federal Bureau of Prisons contracts. We believe that our strong performance has been the result of our multi year diversification strategy, which has allowed…

Thank you, George. Good morning, everyone. For the fourth quarter of 2022, we reported GAAP net income attributable to GEO of approximately $42 million on quarterly revenues of approximately $621 million. Our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter 2022 increased by 17% to approximately $145 million which is an all time high in quarterly adjusted EBITDA for our company. Our financial results were driven by growth in our electronic monitoring and supervision segment, and increases in compensated mandates in our non-residential re-entry business. Our strong performance throughout 2022 allows us – allowed us to make substantial progress towards reducing our debt and net leverage. As of year end 2022, we had $1.975 billion in net debt, and our net leverage was approximately 3.7 times adjusted EBITDA. We have been focused on reducing our debt for the last three years, and we believe that our efforts have placed you in a materially stronger financial position. In 2022, we completed a series of comprehensive transactions that staggered our debt maturities over a longer period of time, and significantly reduced our debt maturities prior to 2026. Going forward, as George noted, we expect to continue to focus on reducing our net debt with the objective of decreasing our net debt leverage to below 3.5 times, adjusted EBITDA by the end of this year, and to below 3 times adjusted EBITDA by the end of 2024. Also, as noted after achieving our stated leverage targets, our hope is to be able to explore options to return capital to our shareholders and unlock additional equity value. Moving to our initial financial guidance for 2023, we expect full year 2023 net income attributable to GEO to be between $100 million and $127 million on annual revenues of approximately $2.37 billion to $2.47 billion. Our GAAP net…

Thank you, Brian. Good morning, everyone. It is my pleasure to provide an update on GEO Secure Services. During the fourth quarter of 2022, our employees and facilities achieved several important milestones. Our facilities successfully underwent 56 audits, including internal audits, government reviews, and third-party accreditations. Four of our Secure Services facilities received accreditation from the American Correctional Association during the fourth quarter with an average score of 99.4%. Our GTI transportation division safely completed approximately 4.1 million miles driven in the United States and overseas during the fourth quarter of 2022. We are proud of the dedication and professionalism of our employees and their commitment to achieving operational excellence, which underpin these important milestones. With respect to the trends for our government agency partners at the federal level, populations at US Marshals detention facilities have remained stable. The US Marshals provides custodial services for pretrial detainees facing federal criminal proceedings. As we noted last year, our 770 beds San Diego facility for the US Marshal Service received the contract extension through September 30, 2023. We have two other direct contracts with the US Marshal Service in Georgia and Texas, with current option periods that run through February 2023 and September 2023, respectively. In December, we were notified by the US Marshal Service of the agency's intention to exercise the five-year contract option period for our 768 bed, Robert Deyton facility in Georgia, which would begin later this month. We remain optimistic regarding the continued utilization of all these important facilities, which as previously noted, provide needed bed space and services near federal courthouses, where there's generally a lack of suitable alternative detention capacity. With respect to the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, as previously noted, our ICE facilities experienced the decline in populations during the month of December. While…

Thank you, James. Good morning everyone. I'm pleased to provide an update on our GEO Care business unit. Starting with our reentry services segment, our residential centers continue to operate below historical occupancy rates and in 2022, at approximately 55% of capacity. As we have previously discussed, our residential reentry centers were impacted by the COVID pandemic as government agencies prioritized non-residential alternatives including furloughs, home confinement, day reporting, and electronic monitoring programs. Despite these challenges, we have continued to successfully renew our existing contracts and we are hopeful that trends and occupancy rates will continue to improve. During the fourth quarter, we renewed five residential reentry contracts, including four contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Additionally, six of our residential reentry centers received accreditation from the American Correctional Association during the fourth quarter with an average score of 99.8% and three of the centers received perfect accreditation scores of 100%. Looking at our non-residential programs and services, we continue to experience strong growth during the fourth quarter. Compensated participant days for our non-residential day reporting centers increased by 26% year-over-year. Our non-residential programs provide high quality community-based services, including cognitive behavioral treatment, supporting up 8,500 parolees and probationers at 90 locations across 10 different states. Our Electronic Monitoring and Supervision Segment also continued to deliver strong revenue growth. Our quarterly revenue in this important segment increased to almost $150 million during the fourth quarter. Our BI subsidiary provides a full suite of electronic monitoring and Supervision solutions, products and technologies on behalf of federal, state and local agencies across the country. At the federal level, BI provides technology solutions, holistic case management, supervision, monitoring and compliance services under the ISAP program on behalf of ICE and the US Department of Homeland Security. BI has been the incumbent service…

Thank you, Wayne. Our business units delivered strong financial results during the fourth quarter of 2022 and throughout the entire year. We believe our performance is underpinned by our diversification strategy, which has allowed GEO to build industry leading positions in all key segments of the correctional, detention and community-based services spectrum. Our cash flows are supported by valuable company-owned real estate assets and diversified business units and tailing essential government services, ranging from secure residential care to community-based and technology solutions. Our diversified service lines are complementary to one another and helped us achieve strong growth at a time when our business was facing pandemic and policy related challenges. We believe that our diversification sets GEO apart in our industry, and has been a distinct value creator for our shareholders. We recognize that our company's success is supported by the dedication and commitment of our approximately 18,000 employees worldwide. We are proud of the milestones achieved by our employees, facilities and programs during 2022. These accomplishments exemplify our organizational commitment to operational excellence across all service lines. We are also proud to have achieved one of the highest quarterly top line revenues and highest quarterly adjusted EBITDA in our company's history, which we believe is the most important non-GAAP metric of profitability for our company. Adjusted EBITDA provides the best measure of the fundamentals driving our operating performance, before the impact of non-cash expenses, and fluctuations in interest rates. Our strong results have allowed us to make substantial progress toward deleveraging our balance sheet. Over the past three years, our management team has executed a discipline strategy to reduce our level of indebtedness, which, when coupled with our growth has significantly decreased our net leverage. A cornerstone of our strategy was the completion of the comprehensive debt transactions in August 2022, which staggered our debt maturities over -- maturities over a longer period of time, and significantly reduced our near term maturities. As a result of these efforts, we close 2022 with total net debt of $1.975 billion net leverage of three points -- 3.7 times adjusted EBITDA, and no significant debt maturities due before 2026. We expect to continue to focus on reducing our net debt and our net leverage. And after attaining our debt reduction and objectives, we hope to be able to explore options to return capital to shareholders. With our strong adjusted EBITDA and the substantial reduction in our net leverage, we believe that our current enterprise value to EBITDA multiple offers an attractive equity valuation when compared to similar diversified services companies. That completes our remarks and we will be glad to take questions.

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Joe Gomez with Noble Capital. You may now go ahead.

Good morning. Congratulations on the quarter.

Thank you.

So, I want to start off with talking on the Electronic Monitoring or ISAP program, and you mentioned about your assumptions for the year. And how low are you assuming numbers might go for the low end of your guidance? And you talked about the ICE beds are funded for 34,000? Is there a similar number what that program is funded for in terms of number of participants?

No, there's not. ISAP funding this year is approximately the same funding as it was last year. And nonetheless, it grew by the program receiving additional funding for -- from other parts of the Department of Homeland Security. And that's been the case even within the detention area. The agency itself, Department of Homeland Security, is made of many divisions and those divisions exchange funding amounts as their needs change. And that has been the case within the ICE detention arena, as well as the ISAP program.

Okay, Thank you for that. And talking about the detention beds, the ICE populations. Obviously, we all saw the decline through January, it sounds like they've started to pick up again, for you. I guess, how close are you to the guaranteed minimum levels, or is there a way to kind of conceptualize how much more ICE populations have to increase before you hit the guaranteed minimum levels in your contracts?

Well, starting back at your previous statement, there was a reduction in the number of beds, I think in -- starting in November in preparation for the anticipated expiration of Title 42. So, there was an intentional decline in reducing the number of beds to make capacity available for what was anticipated as a surge in December, that surge did not take place. And normally December and January are the seasonal lower months of detention capacity because of weather. And that's been the case for the last several decades. And as I said in our prepared comments today that by our daily census over the last few weeks, we've seen a 10% increase in our detention -- ICE detention capacity.

Right, I understand all that. But is there any way to kind of conceptualize how much more it needs to increase before you hit the guaranteed minimum levels in your contracts?

Meet or exceed, a guaranteed minimum means we're being paid at the minimum. So, I think your question may be, when do we exceed that. We -- and it's kind of across the board is in some locations, we exceeded already and others were below those.

Okay. Fair enough. I appreciate that insight. Thank you. And one of the, you know, the key topics that your competitor talked about is pre-staffing in anticipation of ICE populations increasing. And I was just wondering, how is Geo position for staffing? You know, assuming Title 42, finally, is eliminated. And if we see, you know, a fairly significant increase in ICE populations, do you have the staffing in place to handle such a increase in populations?

Thank you. This is James Black. Yes, we remain at a certain staffing percentage throughout the year. And we're prepared to have enough staff available for the minimum guarantee and above, so we're fine in that area.

Great. That's great news. And one last one if I may, you briefly mentioned the Australia health services contract that you won. Congratulations on that. Maybe give us a little more color on that as to you know, what kind of services you're going to be providing. And maybe the opportunity to pickup additional type of business in either Australia, or maybe even here in the US. Thank you.

That was a healthcare services contract for a number of facilities in Australia, in the state of Victoria. We were originally an incumbent in that in providing such services some time ago. Just prior before, we turned into a REIT, as a Real Estate Investment Trust, we were prohibited from providing healthcare services. So that contract was awarded to a third-party, when we became a REIT. We have since [indiscernible] and we are now permitted to bid on healthcare opportunities, mental healthcare opportunities. So this was the first such opportunity that we sought out and we were successful. And yes, we will be looking at other such opportunities in the future because we no longer have the restrictions of prohibition against providing healthcare services to third parties.

Okay, great. Thanks. Again, congrats on the quarter. Looking forward to seeing how 2023 unfolds. Thank you.

Our next question will come from Jay McCanless with Wedbush Securities. You may now go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one, could you talk about how the ISAP populations trended through the fourth quarter? And what kind of correlations you've seen between the ISAP populations? And what we thought was going to be the end of Title 42 in December?

You know, it actually trended up in the fourth quarter peaking over 300,000 and then, you know, at the end of the year started coming down. And as I've said, we’re presently at about 290,000. So, it was trending up to a historic level. And now, we're below that historic level at 290,000.

Okay. And then, besides Title 42, what are the biggest factors impacting ISAP populations, in your opinion, that could swing guidance from one end of the range to the other?

Maybe the general one is the perception or misperception about the program itself. The success rate in participants attending their court hearings is kind of extraordinary. It's in excess of 95%, while there are participants in the program. And typically, that program, participation time period is between three and four months, maybe as much as six months. It's only thereafter, once they're taking off the program, that the participation level is -- as to returning to their court hearings dropped substantially. So while they're in the program, there's substantial compliance in attending court, their court hearing when required. When they're out of the program, there's substantial non compliance in the program. So, as long as they're in the program, they're doing very well. And the program is very successful in that respect.

Okay. I just -- I was wondering though some of the budgetary pressures that you talked about in the press release today is, I guess, what are -- besides Title 42, what are some of these other budgetary pressures we need to be monitoring?

Well, I think that the, the new leadership in that -- in the house is looking for areas of cost savings, that the agency itself DHS is realigning its budgetary programs for its different divisions along the lines of its overall allocation for DHS. So, there's pressures on whether there's enough money for securing the border detention capacity, the ISAP program, which is an alternative to detention. So, there has to be a balance between the funding for detention and for the funding for alternatives to detention. And those are political considerations that I think have yet to be finally ironed out, and we're awaiting the outcome of it.

Okay. All right. That makes more sense. Thank you. And then the electronic monitoring segment has seen strong margins historically, which has driven margins for the overall business higher over the past couple of years. I guess, given the outlook for ISAP. Could you speak to your ability to hold electronic margins where they are or potentially even expanding those margins going forward?

Well, I think we're going to be looking for cost economies in technology that underpins the program itself. So, yes, we will. We're mindful of the pressures on the program and potential funding and we have some ideas on how to deal with those issues in achieving cost economies in the program.

Got it. And then the last question for us, there seems to be a high amount of hesitancy about what May 11 actually means from you guys, as well as from your competitor. I guess, maybe, could you frame both sides of the argument that says Title 42 will be rescinded on May 11 versus not being rescinded?

We really don't know the outcome as to, if it will be rescinded or not rescinded, or it's -- it hasn't made a difference to us yet. And it -- I think it's still within political discussion as to what it means. I don't think that has been resolved. You have a house that wants a secure border, and you have Title 42 that's been used as a means to control access to the border. And those two things have not been resolved yet.

Okay. Okay, great. Thank you. Appreciate all the time.

Our next question will come from Mitra Ramgopal with Sidoti. You may now go ahead.

Yes. Hi, good morning and thanks for taking the questions. First, if you can maybe touch, you referenced the continuing inflationary trends. And just curious in terms of your ability to mitigate the higher labor, medical and food costs you're seeing.

In our state facilities -- well, let may begin, at the federal level, we have not incurred any difficulties with regarding labor costs, which represents 60% or more of our overall costs in providing capacity for our federal customers. At the state level, we've had very good cooperation with our state clients regarding the needed increase in compensation for correctional officers, medical staff and administrative staff as well. So, one by one, we we've been able to get significant improvements in our funding to deal with those issues of increasing wages for the staff at -- in -- the floor staff, the medical staff, as well as the administrative staff. So, I think, in general, we've been successful across the board in -- with our state clients in dealing with those issues.

Okay. Thanks. And as I look at CapEx for tech spending, is that pretty much really intended for the BI subsidiary and driving growth and some of the cost economies you're talking about?

This is Brian. Yes, that's all related to the electronic monitoring unit. So we want to break that out separately from the rest of the CapEx for the secure services and reentry businesses.

And if that something we should see, as its still very early stages, and it's a multi-year strategy, in terms of the spend there.

Well, it's -- I think it's pretty consistent over the last couple of years and it's consistent as, I'd say, percentage of their revenue over time. They have 10s of 1,000s of units in service, it's to maintain those units, replace units, develop new technologies, stay on the cutting edge of the services that they're providing. So, I think it's a pretty consistent number. There are a couple projects that are ongoing, that are one-off that are part of that. So it may come down some in the future years as some of those projects are completed.

Okay. Thanks. And I think you mentioned in terms of the 2023 guidance, your – your assumptions in terms of potential reactivation of currently idle facilities. I was just wondering what the strategy is in terms of how long you're prepared to carry some facilities as opposed to maybe considering an asset sale if you're not able to get it filled after a period of time?

Well, we are in discussions with some governmental agencies, regarding a few of our facilities, others we continue to hold and seek out, operating agreements for those facilities. And we've been successful in the past in doing so.

And I think some of the smaller facilities that we've been able to successfully sell as well. And so we're not – it's not mutually exclusive to any of the facilities. I think, as George just pointing out, though, with the larger facilities, our preference is to continue to try to reactivate them. And we've had pretty good success with that over time.

Okay. Thanks. And then finally, that was a nice contract announcement in terms of GEO Australia, just wondering in terms of potential additional opportunities in Australia, and maybe even beyond as you look to maybe go more on the international front right now?

There are other opportunities that are available throughout the country in healthcare it's not a major business objective at this time. But we have the full capabilities of entering that market, given that we have our own healthcare division within the company that provides all the health care services for all the GEO facilities.

Okay. Thanks.

And then, prior to be in – we were in the healthcare business. So we have that expertise.

Right. And I take it again, at this point, no plans in terms of going beyond South Africa and Australia and the International market?

We're looking at opportunities at this time, but it's not the most active business part of our objectives.

All right. Okay. Thanks again for taking the questions.

Thank you.

Our next question will come from Kirk Ludtke with Imperial Capital. You may now go ahead.

Yeah. Hello, everyone. Thank you for the call. Just back to ISAP just for a second. Is it safe to say that DHS is saving its budget in case there's a surge at the border?

Well, we really can't speak for DHS. We have very little insight to their budgeting. Even to their policy decisions, we only know about them after they're publicly released. So –

Right.

I really can't speak it.

Right. Okay, I get it. But that might be what's happening?

They may be anticipating the long awaited surge at the border, particularly as the temperature grows warmer, and it is the summer months when the most people come across the border, historically, we've been doing this for four decades. And the lowest months of migration across the border is in December and January, it's those two particular months. And the highest month for activity is the summer months as the temperature warms.

Got it. I appreciate it. Thank you. That's helpful. And you did mention the success of the program, why would someone leave the ISAP program before their final hearing and who decides that?

We do not decide that. That's decided by ICE personnel.

Okay, got it. Just a follow-up on the Marshals contract, congratulations on Robert Deyton. It's a nice extension. Was that -- is that now structured as an IGA, or how did that happen?

No, that's a direct contract. And that's why it was under the auspices of the presidential executive order regarding possible defunding of such direct contracts with the Marshals office and private entities. We gain, I guess, special approval given the locations in circumstances or surrounding that facility, and how it interacts with the federal court in that particular location to continue that contract.

That's -- is that the first time that's happened since the executive order was issued?

No, it's, I think now the third. The first one being the facility in San Diego.

Okay. Well, good. That's -- I guess that's positive. What does your guidance assume with respect to the other two direct contracts? US Marshal contracts of the western region and Rio Grande? Are you assuming that those get renewed?

Well, San Diego is the western region and that's been approved for an extension and Rio Grande as well.

All right. Okay. Thank you. And then lastly, I didn't see free cash flow guidance in the release. But if you can back into the change in net debt that you're forecasting and that equates to about $175 million decline in net debt. Is that a good proxy for free cash flow?

Yeah, I think $175 million to $200 million.

Got it, great. Thank you very much, guys.

Our next question will come from Jordan Sherman with Ranger Global. You may now go ahead.

Great. Thank you. Okay, so I apologize. I want to return to ISAP for one more minute. Two questions on that. But first, I just want to understand the ISAP budget is, it was consistent from 2022 to 2023. But in 2023, you were able to -- they had some flexibility in the budget and they were able to get money that were budgeted for elsewhere to increase the number of people in ISAP, is that correct? And then this year, they've pulled back to budget levels?

No, I didn't say that.

Okay.

This year we see the allocated amount is approximately the same as last year, it remains to be seen as to whether they're approved for additional funding as they have been in prior years.

Got it. Okay. So that's not a definite at the moment. It's just a -- to be determined.

Correct. And so we had to take that in consideration in creating our guidance and providing some flexibility.

Yes. Understood. You mentioned part of the reason for -- so that's one reason, part of the reason you mentioned is budgetary pressures. The other one was changes in immigration policy. And I'm wondering if that's what that was, a; and b, is that the reason, I'd look at the Southwest border crossings numbers, which were in December 252,000, but dropped 156,000 in January? And I'm wondering if those two are related, or if those are -- what's driving those? What were the changes? And is that the reason why had some so few -- so many fewer border encounters?

Well, January is historically the lowest count day because of temperature, and there's also holidays in Mexico during that time that impact the border crossings. So for four decades, January's been the lowest crossing count month.

No, I appreciate that. But we were running 40% above last year levels, and then in Jan -- in October, to November, December, and then in January, we're just about last year's level.

Well, I think that was part of the anticipation of the end of Title 42 and the potential surge, and that didn't happen.

So how does that decrease the number of border encounters?

Well, Title 42 is still in effect, a. B, it's a lot colder. And…

Okay. And it just seems a pretty dramatic drop year-over-year, month-over-month and you had didn't see that, is that…

I think well, historically, December is not as large. I mean, you shouldn't be looking at a December as being nominally, not January. January is always the lowest month. Why was December so high? And I think they were anticipating that Title 42 would go away and people were lined up at the border.

Oh, I see. Got it. Got it. Okay, I understand. I understand. So with Title 42 do not people got discouraged and went away.

Yes. Yes.

Got it. Okay. Okay. Understood. And I appreciate that. In the ISAP program, well, what were the changes in immigration policy? You mentioned that impacted ISAP?

Well, there’s been the establishment of the parole program for certain countries, and which is now being legally challenged in the courts, but some action has been taken to remove some ISAP participants align with those countries.

Got it. Okay. And then just finally, if you had on average 100 and I mean, 290,000 across the year versus 300,000. What would be on – I know this varies depending on what services you're providing for the individual persons. But on average, how much revenue difference would that 10,000 across the year be and how much EBITDA difference?

I don't know, if we've given out that kind of information in the past.

Would you liked it…

Yes, no, I think…

It is, right, we've taken into account all the factors you described to provide a reasonable, low end of the range, we're certainly hopeful it does materialize. But we want to make sure we take into account the most recent current events, and then I think we've been prudent. As wee talked about last year, was growing every month, there's always been some starts and stops in the program. But the general direction is in trend to the program has always been upward. But we've seen this recent trend in some of the issues that George described, and felt that it was prudent to give a guidance range that reflected a reasonable lower estimate. And so that's what we've done.

Yeah. I appreciate that. Could you elaborate on any potential opportunities for reactivation facilities? I'm sure I got that word wrong.

No, I can't.

Okay. Are they – how about this one. Are they state or federal? Say…

Yeah, we talked to all our clients.

They are both.

Okay. Any of them out for formal RFP yet?

No, it wouldn't, would not require an RFP process.

Any idea on timing for any of them or is that all uncertain at the moment?

It's all uncertain at this time.

All right. Great. Thank you very much.

Good try.

Our next question will come from Josh Joseph with Black Diamond. You may now go ahead.

Hi, my questions have been answered related to the ISAP participants. Thanks.

Thank you.

Our next question will come from Jordan Hymowitz with Philadelphia Financial. You may now go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. If you guys could turn to Page 4 of the presentation. You got electronic monitoring and supervision for NOI going from 45 million – 85 million year-over-year from 25% to 45%. Can you say what those percentages are for dollars or EBITDA versus net operating income?

Brian?

No, I mean, we disclose what I think, you know, ties into our segment reporting in our 10K. But we're not getting into specific EBITDA by division or margins by division.

Are the trends similar? Is it roughly half of EBITDA, or wouldn't it be more because the CapEx or the interest expense and EBITDA would probably be less. Yes, no, maybe.

The interest expense isn't tied to any particular division.

Okay, but you wouldn't need to borrow money for the electronic monitoring division because it's not a capital intensive business.

Right, were not borrowing money for either the electronic monitoring division or the Secure Services divisions at this time. There's – we're – both divisions are significantly cash flow positive from an operating cash flow perspective. And there's no significant growth CapEx required by the Secure Services division at this time. So, in our earnings released, we put out our guidance for CapEx for next year, I think between $77 million and $88 million with about $45 million or so related to maintenance CapEx and discretionary CapEx associated with our facilities, and then the other $32 million to $40 million or so related to our ISAP or -- sorry, our Electronic Monitoring division.

Let me try to point on page three, you've got EBITDA guidance of $500 million to $540 million. Could you say roughly how much is related to each division? Is it half and half roughly, or -- obviously Electronic Monitoring has been growing much faster?

No, we haven't done that. I think part of the issue there is that after overheads and stuff, and we're not allocating and going through that scenario. So, each division, if you just took their NOI as a percentage, that total would be significant. So, we don't do that. We provide the NOI or the operating income as required in our 10-K for our segments.

Okay. And last thing, I mean, the surges of whatever happened, there's people -- the Title 42 would go away, and then it did. And now all of a sudden, your guidance assumes it's not going away. But the Biden has said there's infinite wisdom, that pandemic ends on May 11th. How can we justify a policy based on a pandemic that no longer exists? Would there have to be a surge of some sorts of magnitude we could debate? And by not assuming any surge at all, aren’t the numbers pretty ridiculously conservative?

No, we think they're conservative, but not ridiculously so.

Yes, I think we gave the reasons that George discuss both recent policy direction, budget pressures, and so forth to give a reasonable lower end of the range. As I said, we've had a 10% increase in our occupancy in our ICE facilities over the last several weeks now. Do we make that policy decision? No, we just receive the individuals and tend to their care. So, we are not in the loop as to policy decisions regarding ICE detention or the ICE alternatives to detention program called ISAP.

Okay. Thank you.

Our next question will come from Judd Arnold with Lake Cornelia. You may now go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for the -- thanks for taking the time. Just from 290, I wanted to clarify what's in that 290? Are you referencing the 128 BI report that ICE reports and are you just using the GPS plus the SmartLINK? Are you doing a different number?

The 290 includes all the participants in the program that are either using some form of technology, or in the active case management part of the program. So, the 128 number I'm not sure if that's the current number, but that's some of the participants that are using the SmartLINK, or the BI provided phone device that includes the SmartLINK application on it. So it's a subject of the 290, if you will.

Got it. So like when I looked at the 128 number, it was three in that ICE disclose, there's 324,500, split between about 6,000 in GPS, 280,000 SmartLINK, 15,000 phone and 24,000 no-tech, I should exclude the no-tech for an apples-to-apples on your number?

Yeah. We don't include the no-tech because there's not really any revenue associated with the no-tech participants. They just kind of come into it and they're out. We're not providing any sort of – associate with them, case management or –

Got it. Got it. Okay. And then are you referencing it today number or 128 number?

Oh, you're saying January 28? Is that what you're referring to when you said 128?

Yeah. That was that was the last disclosed date? Yeah, yeah.

Approximately today, a little more current than January, 28, right?

Okay. Got it. And then, on your competitor? On gone about the 290?

Yes. Yeah. George was just saying that that's today's approximate number.

Got it. So just from a revenue perspective, not to belabor the point, if I think just the GPS number and the SmartLINK number, exclude even the phone because I'm assuming that's lower revenue? That's sort of the apples-to-apples, how you got to a piece a little bit over 300,000?

We're include phones.

Okay. Got it. Okay. And then just separately on the you know, the call last week in of course, Civic mentioned that they are telling ICE, they could help with alternatives to detention? How could they help if you have the contract?

They maybe thinking of other approaches or other kinds of services they could add on to the ISAP program, but not taking over the ISAP program. I think there's been several NGO organizations that have that are constantly approaching ICE about additional services they could supplement the program with.

Got it. Got it. Okay. And then just on the debt side. Is the teams going to be that you need to refinance the first lien credit facility first, and you can call that I believe, 103. And basically, I know you guys are targeting 3x, but as a practical matter, 3x or if the debt market gets better, that it's once you refinance that, and then that will allow you post the second lien slide refinancing as well, to do something with capital return. Is that sort of the cadence on the capital structure?

I think that's a reasonable assumption. It's going to, we're going to monitor the market and see what opens first. But obviously, the first lien right now is the most expensive. So we certainly have a focus on trying to take care of that and get more flexibility in the rest of the capital structure by doing that.

Got it. Got it. Awesome. Thanks so much for the time guys really appreciate the call.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from Kenneth Williamson with JPMorgan. You may now go ahead.

Thanks for fitting me in here. I just – most of my questions were answered. But I just wanted to visit the US Marshals you have for a long – congratulations on the extension. I just wanted to clarify that, the facility that extended I think you said it was in Georgia, that was that was their decision to execute or pickup a option that was already written into the original contract. Is that a fair causation [ph]?

Correct.

Okay. So and you mentioned you have one other contract that's coming up in September, are there any options written into that for extension, or would they have to renegotiate? There are. And how long would that extension be, if they picked up the option there?

I think, they're typically two year extensions.

Okay. Okay. And those are the only two US Marshals contracts that were set for expiration in 2023?

Yes.

Okay.

Well, San Diego has another option that will trigger I think this fall, September. That's the Western Regional detention facility.

Okay. And that also has two year extension options built in?

Yes.

Got it. Okay. And then, how about 2024? How many US Marshals services contracts would be up for extension or renewal in 2024?

None?

None. Okay. Great. Thank you.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to George Zoley, Executive Chairman at the GEO Group for any closing remarks.

Hey, thank you for joining us today. We look forward to addressing you in the next quarterly conference call. Thank you.

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