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Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 11, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Genius Sports Limited Q4 2021 Earnings Call. Throughout the call, all participants will be in a listen-only mode and afterwards there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Today, I am pleased to present Genius Sports. Please go ahead with your meeting.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Before we begin, we'd like to remind you that certain statements made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause our actual results to differ materially from our historical results or from our forecasts. We assume no responsibility for updating forward-looking statement. Any such statements should be considered in conjunction with cautionary statements in our earnings release and risk factor discussions in our filings with the SEC, including our last Annual Report on Form 20-F filed on April 30. During the call, management will also discuss certain non-GAAP measures that we believe maybe useful in evaluating Genius’ operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for Genius’ financial results prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable U.S GAAP measures is available on our earnings press release and earnings presentation, which can be found on our website at investor.geniussports.com. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Mark Locke.

Mark Locke

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before we begin, we'd like to take a moment to acknowledge the humanitarian disaster that's caused by the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine and the ripple effects across the region and throughout the world. Our first responsibility at Genius Sports is the safety and well-being of our colleagues and families in the Ukraine. We, with the support of our Board, will do everything in our power to support them. To this end, we remain in constant contact with our people in the region and continue to offer them direct support. In the meantime, we hope for a peaceful resolution to this unimaginable suffering. And our thoughts remain with the Ukrainian people during this tragic time. We will now cover the highlights from our fourth quarter and full year 2021. Before diving in, we want to remind you that we began 2022 by hosting our first Virtual Investor Day. If you haven't already viewed the presentation, I highly encourage you to watch the replay of the webcast, which is available on our Investor Relations website. But for those who missed it, I will briefly recap the key takeaways, as they are important for understanding our business as we execute our strategy over the next few years. First, we introduced our financial outlook for 2022 and 2023 group revenue and group adjusted EBITDA. We expect to be profitable in 2022 and 2023, with group adjusted EBITDA of approximately $15 million this year, and $40 million to $50 million in 2023. This also included a detailed view of the businesses, highlighting the profitability we've already generated today in our underlying business, and the investments were making in our high growth U.S. expansion business. We also hosted a few of our key partners…

Nicholas Taylor

Analyst

Thanks Mark. To start, our group revenues increased 79% year-on-year to $84 million in the fourth quarter. This is once again driven by well balanced growth across all three reporting segments. Our betting revenues grew 53% year-on-year in Q4 to $53.9 million in the quarter, benefiting from increased utilization with the six [ph] existing sportsbooks, new customer wins, and our first full quarter of NFL related revenues. Our major business continues to grow at a strong pace, with revenues more than doubling year-on-year in Q4 to $17.1 million in the quarter. Major revenues continue to benefit from both betting and non-betting customers with particularly strong advertiser spend in North America in the quarter. Lastly, our sports revenue more than tripled in the quarter to $13 million, with contributions from our recent acquisitions of Sportzcast and Second Spectrum, in addition to the existing suite of tech services. As we outlined in our Investor Day, our recent acquisition, the Second Spectrum, FanHub, and Spirable have contributed approximately $20 million in calendar 2021. The Second Spectrum revenues being recognized in our sports segment, along with other tech services provided to leagues and federations around the world. As you'll see on the next slide, our 2021 group revenues increased over 75% to $263 million., that's slightly ahead of our latest guidance range. As I've noted in each quarter this year, revenue growth is well balanced across each reporting segment, as our growth drivers delivered results consistently throughout the year. In our betting business, we've expanded our partnerships with existing customers by increasing utilization of available content, taking a greater share of wallet, and of course, winning new customers throughout the year. This has translated to full year revenues of $177 million, equating to 60% annual growth. In our major business, we've supported our customer…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] First question is from the line of Stephen Grambling from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Stephen Grambling

Analyst

Hi. It’s Stephen. Thanks for taking the question. I see that you got a slide kind of walking through the quarterly cadence on the guidance between the segments. And then group adjusted EBITDA, I'm wondering if you could give us a couple of the puts and takes to think about on gross margin expenses that are kind of leading to that, that EBITDA. And then any color you could give on how sensitive that guidance could be to the promotional environment and/or mix of in-game betting? Thanks.

Jack Davison

Analyst

Hi, Steven, it's Jack Davison, Chief Commercial Officer. And I really don't, so the other way around, if that's okay, and so let's talk about the promotional spend first and a bit on the in-play mix. So, when we think about promotional spend, we kind of think about it in sort of three buckets, if you like, operated promotional spend. And those three buckets being I guess, the offline marketing, TV ads, all of this sort of stuff. And we think about the free bets and the bonuses that operators are pushing out there. And we think about performance marketing, and performance digital marketing. [indiscernible] performance, digital marketing, okay. And so what we've seen, and what we think is quite likely, and what the market is saying is that, the future outlook is that, there could be some reduction in some of this promotional stuff. But really, the main focus of that reduction will be on the first two buckets, will be on the sort of enormous signup bonuses, if we done – well, the signup bonuses in New York, that sort of stuff, we think will run its course. But that kind of reduction does not impact our business. That's not the area that we work in. That's not our - that's not where we drive. And our sense of pattern [ph] quite clear sense, because we thought that marketing team is actually - the performance marketing businesses and stuff that's really going to - is going to standfast and will continue for a long time. So we feel pretty good about being isolated or insulated from those - from that trend, which will happen over time.

Mark Locke

Analyst

It's also worth picking up - hi, Stephen, it’s Mark. It's also worth picking up about how some of the spend rotation come. And so the products that we offer, obviously in the States at the moment, there's a big focus on customer acquisition. And as time goes, that focus is going to move from customer acquisition to customer retention, customer reactivation. And from our point of view, the product sets that we offer the same software stack to the same product stack, and they do the same thing. So even though the target of the spend will over time change, as I said, move from acquisition more so retention and reactivation, we actually see that as an opportunity, as an increasing focus comes through on operator profitability.

Nicholas Taylor

Analyst

Yeah. Hi, Steve. It's Nick. I'll pick it up. First of all, the question actually, in relation to how they – you talked about the cadence around the quarterly position and around I think, particularly around the cost base. Fist of all, I think it's worth just directing you to Slide 18, which we've included for the first time in the deck, which is a detailed quarterly bridge, is though a bridge to our U.S. GAAP, P&L to our cash cost position. So you can see where we've pulled out the various items to go to an EBITDA in relation. For example, if you look at the comp number, you've got $17 million worth of amortization in there, and you've got $42 million of share-based payments in there. So you can – hopefully, give you some clarity around the cost base that wraps to our EBITDA. That's the first point to make. On the cadence, for 2022, we've given our position, if you look at our cost base, it's relatively fixed in its nature. If you looked at right, we said on the Investor Day that it's $135 million what we're expecting. We have pretty good visibility of that. As you know, most of our rights are fixed in their nature, subject to any opportunity to sign up new rights in due course. We have strong visibility, not indeed, not just in 2022, but beyond 2022 to 2023 and 2024, as well. And the rest of the cost base is obviously, it's predominantly people based, which again, we've got pretty high visibility and indeed quite obviously a lot of control over that position. The only cost where if you talk about the impact is really the mix of revenues that Jack just talked about around media and betting. If that moves more towards betting and less towards media that helps our margin drop through just the profile with cost base. And if it's the other way around that works [indiscernible], but it's not a fundamental switch on that basis. So we're pretty confident with our number for 2022. We do a lot of visibility of our cost base there. So hopefully between our Investor Day numbers, and also if you're looking at page 18 this time on our Investor Day that will hopefully square the circle for you.

Stephen Grambling

Analyst

Yeah, that's helpful. And maybe one other follow up. I guess how do new states that could legalize in the U.S. that are kind of in process. How do they - those typically impact the business as well? Like if we look out to 2023, could we anticipate any kind of impact from California, for example, if that gets legalized? Is there anything soon for that? Thank you.

Mark Locke

Analyst

Yeah. So we simply - we look at the way that we do our forecast, the way that we look at this is, we look at all the different reports about how we see state legalization coming, and we take the view that’s somewhere in the middle of those states. So the numbers that we've put out are based on effectively a consensus view on how the states regulate, how they legalize. And obviously, that can be both positively and negatively impacted if a particular state comes up - that's in the large with high-betting propensity such as California that comes on. Earlier, there's definitely potentially smart side, equally, there's obviously, negatives attached in the other way. But fundamentally, the way that we calculate it is, is we follow a consensus SKU, if that helps.

Stephen Grambling

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from the line of Bernie [27:01] from Needham. Please go ahead.

BernieMcTernan

Analyst

Great. Good Morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was wondering just maybe taking a step back if the focus for the company in 2001 was launching the NFL, Mark, what's the focus for '22? And what should investors be expecting either hold your attention?

Mark Locke

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, good to hear from you. Thanks for tuning in. Look, 2021 was a big year for us. We went public in April. And so to of remind you, we acquired three businesses, we raised just under $450 million. And on top of that, we won the NFL, right. So it was a pretty big year, and there's a lot of different focuses on there, including, a lot of the challenges and successes that we've had through the integration of the acquisitions. I think for us, we feel very comfortable, very well positioned for '22. There's obviously a lot of operational execution that we're focusing on, making sure that we're really driving value out of the acquisitions that we've made. And also, there's an increasing focus on product, as the drive in the market comes to profitability. And you'll have heard on our Investor Day us talking extensively about in-play, and the opportunities and the risks around that. Really our business now is to make sure that we are putting products out into the market that helps operators become more successful, that drives margins, that drives in-play, and really helps grow the pot. So, we're looking forward to 2022. And - but in summary, it's about execution.

Bernie McTernan

Analyst

Got it. And then just one follow up, on the ingredients [ph] with betway and bet365, so two of the largest operators in Canada. Would love just to hear your insights on the market, why you think regulation is going to look like - what's the market look like post-regulation in Ontario, what the opportunity is? How live betting will track? Expect to pick up in promotion, like anything that you think would be interesting call that would be helpful.

Jack Davison

Analyst

Yeah, hi. It's Jack Davison, again. The way we think about the ad market is it's - as we talked about before, it's not dissimilar to how we think about other US states and regulator. Ontario coming alive or California coming, they create opportunity to create new revenue streams or create opportunities. What you've got is really interesting in Canada, I think, you're highly likely to see promotional spend, because in the same way you see it kind of promotions, then when New York opens up, you're going to see that sort of land grab for market share quite early on, I would think. What's going to be interesting about the Canadian market, as you rightly pointed out, is the mix of operators could be a little bit different. And that's really there, like the different bands, like betway and 365, which aren't yet major players in terms of market share in the US market. I think you'll see - I think you see them having some success and then pushing pretty hard in those markets as those markets regulate. And they'll go quite early, I think, and you'll see a bit more a different mix of operator attention. There are also some different sort of local heroes in there, you know, the score and the nature if the - media organisations that have audience. So the mix, I think you'll see will be slightly different. And that's going to throw up some sort of interesting sort of market dynamics. For us, you know, what we fundamentally got is an ability to resell all of the products that we have into that market and - but we always - always looking at new markets. We're also trying to position ourselves in terms of having the right content mix for a specific market. So you know, one of the reasons why we have to deal with the CFL is because we want to make sure we've got the right content for that market when it opens up. So we know the NFL will be important, I mean, all other content will be important, we know. Our marketing services were important. We need extra stuff because we want to differentiate. And we think having partnerships with the likes of the CFL, and very relevant content will really help us there.

Bernie McTernan

Analyst

Great. Appreciate the insight. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from the line of Jason Bazinet from Citi. Please go ahead.

Jason Bazinet

Analyst

I just had two unrelated questions for Nick, on the Ukraine revenue explosion, the two to six. Is it reasonable to assume given your commentary about most of the costs are fixed, that it's a comparable risk to EBITDA? That's the first question, so two to six. And then second, I was just looking at the deferred revenues as a percentage of your total revenues. And it used to be sort of mid to high teens. And it's sort of come down to about 11, I think, 11.5 or so. Can you just remind us sort of what is it that influences the deferred revenue balance? And do you anticipate that to continue to fall as the mix shifts in your business? Thanks.

Nicholas Taylor

Analyst

Yeah, hi. We wanted to give you - we expect that the whole Russian situation will be a question that gets posed, so we wanted to give you a really, really early view. Clearly, the situation continues to move quickly, hence, the range. We're obviously doing whatever we can, as Mark talked about in relation to our teams that are directly impacted. But also we're doing and mitigating what we can in terms of content. We're doing what we can in terms of relationships with any of our customers and sports leagues. In terms of that being a like-to-like EBITDA, it's probably not like-to-like, yes, you're right, in terms of there will be drop through if that number - if that revenue reduction comes through. And it's too early to say exactly what that looks like right now, except for I don't think it will be like-for-like.

Jason Bazinet

Analyst

Okay.

Nicholas Taylor

Analyst

On the second part, in relation to deferred revenue, yeah, it has come down. If you think about our – I guess our kind of heritage model that we've used in the European market has tended to be on a fixed fee bill in advance basis. And that's why we tend to build totally in advance and therefore hence the deferred revenue in that place. Media tends not to be in the case. And also, where we are on profit shares, particularly, obviously, in the US, as you know, also. So we tend to fill in the arrears on those basis once the numbers have been finalized. And therefore, you've got a slight balance sheet mix change, as you say. So yes, I would expect deferred revenue to continue to reduce, as our business becomes a little bit more variable revenue focused, and media continues to grow the segment.

Jason Bazinet

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from the line of Jed Kelly from Oppenheimer [ph] Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, guys. This is actually, Shannon for Jed. Thanks for taking my questions. Two if I could. Is there any update you could provide us on the US versus the core business and kind of how it's tracking towards your '22 goals versus your outlook at the Investor Day? And then the sports tech segment has seemed to do really, really well, since you guys acquired Second Spectrum. So I was wondering if you have any update on how you're thinking about M&A? And should we expect more in that segment? Thank you.

Nicholas Taylor

Analyst

Hi, it's Nick. In terms of the information that we gave on the Investor Day, the results that you've got, you see are in line, so there's no specific material changes between what we gave and the results that you're seeing in front of you. So that's pretty straightforward. I'll let one of the other guys pick up the specific question.

Mark Locke

Analyst

On M&A.

Jack Davison

Analyst

As you would expect, on the M&A front, we've got a strong balance sheet and for about $230 million on our balance sheet at the moment. There's a lot of opportunity in the market. There's obviously been some quite significant price corrections in lots of different ways. And that, you know, provides opportunity, frankly. So, we're open, we - we're working hard, we're assessing opportunities. We're obviously take a lot of comfort from how well the acquisitions that we've made has integrated into the business. And so, again, we'll study and we'll be opportunistic, you know, where available, but there's nothing specific that's worth updating in terms of individual targets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from the line of Leon Sigdahl from Craig Capital Group. Please go ahead.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Ryan Sigdahl, Craig-Hallum Capital Group. That's me. Curious guys, you talked a little bit about Canada. Does it matter who wins market share? You mentioned kind of a hodgepodge and unsure kind of wins there ultimately. But do you have relationships with all the main operators that are planning to be there? So ultimately, it's more of a market uplift and you guys win, no matter who wins there?

Jack Davison

Analyst

That's a great question, Ryan. We feel very good about position on that basis. As you know, we're a supplier to many, we don't really mind who wins. We work with all of the major operators there. We've got great relationships and work structures contracts with all of them. As the Canadian market opens up in December, we have everyone else. So we don't mind who wins on that basis in the slightest. We feel even better about position because we've got some exclusive content, which we think they're going to want in the CFL. So hopefully that answers your question.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Yeah, thank you. And then can talk to performance in the Super Bowl, downtime, any issues would hear from customers feedback, given it was your first go around there?

Jack Davison

Analyst

Yeah. It's Jack, again. We had a really good first season, and this involves no different, we're very happy with where we are on it. We are, you know, it was sort of looking back a bit. We had a lot to do before the start of the season and get all of the deals done and get ourselves up operationally, and everything that goes with that. And we were very pleased with the – our success there. As we look into next year, as Mark touched on earlier, it's all about more products and getting the right product to help operator partners drive the business. So we're really pleased to get through the first - our first NFL season, but we're super excited about what next season and beyond brings.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Thank you. Good luck, guys. I turn it over the others.

Operator

Operator

Next question is in the line of Robin Farley from UBS. Please go ahead.

Robin Farley

Analyst

Great, thanks. I just wanted to clarify from what you were talking about earlier about new states legalizing, do you need California the referendum to pass to hit your 2023 targets? Or would it actually involve, you know, kind of more losses up front? Could new states, a large estate like that legalizing actually kind of pushed profitability out a little bit further because of some needed investment? If you could just clarify that outcome? Thanks.

Mark Locke

Analyst

Hi, Robin. Firstly, there's no needed investment. So as the new states come on, you know, we're extremely well positioned to suggest - switch them on. We have a very hot licensing division that takes care of that. But other than the licensing in each state, we're ready to go. In terms of do we need California to come online? The answer's no. As I sort of, you know, mentioned before we look consensus view about how states are rolling out and we take that as our - as one of the functions that the policy model. So no, there is no requirements, specifically for California to come online. Obviously, we welcome it too and you know, that that might present upside. If it does, but again, we'll look at that as and when it happens.

Robin Farley

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, just lastly, I wonder if, you know, in the sort of six weeks or so since your Investor Day, if you've seen an increase you talked about, I think 13% of GDR [ph] are coming from in play betting, has that evolved? Or is it too soon to see a change in that? Thanks.

Mark Locke

Analyst

Yeah, it's great question. I mean, look, we were obviously studying it carefully. At the moment, we think – we don’t think that we've got enough data to assume any sorts of trends. So at the moment, we're still taking a conservative view that we had before and we not altering our numbers that we put out in our Investor Day.

Robin Farley

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the light of Mike Hickey from Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Hey, Mark, Nick. Good morning, guys. Congrats on the quarter. Just a couple questions for me. Obviously a lot happening here early in 22. And I guess, thinking about your advertising business. Are you seeing any sort of moderation span from the sportsbooks yet? Or is that sort of businesses you usual, sort of a sense overall, I think maybe there's going to be a pullback here in spend. Just curious how it impacts your ad business? And then sort of your non-sportsbook, advertisers, curious how the economy inflation war is sort of impacting the desire to spend there as well. And follow up. Thanks, guys.

Jack Davison

Analyst

Yeah. Hi, there. Its Jack here. I just touched a little earlier. So when we think about sports, the short answer to your question around sports is no, we're not seeing any negative impact on our business, as a result of those potential trends of slowdown in marketing spend. And the reasons for that is we are very, very focused on our focus with our business in this area. Performance based digital marketing is one of the areas that an operator markets, the other being offline and regularly promotional spend in terms of bonuses and free bets and that sort of light. And we think that the slowdown is going to come in those two areas, as opposed to performance digital marketing. So that's the same sort of answer I gave earlier, really. So we feel that the area that we work in is the sort of the last point of - also continue to maintain whatever happens, a lot of what Mark said earlier about, right now it's about acquisition. But our performance work marketing tools work in the same way in terms of reengagement, and retention, and all of those sorts of elements as well. I'm going to hand over to Josh to talk about the non-sports betting area.

Josh Linforth

Analyst

Hi. This is Josh, MD of the Media Business. So in the non-sports side of things like obviously, it's early days for us, area continues to grow really strongly. I mean, we see more and more brands looking to advertise around sports, just because it's a brand safe environment, through the creation of more assets with sports leagues as well. It creates more deeper integrations and better ways to engage fans. And we're very, very focused on that. So in terms of sort of market movements and things like that, you know, we see it as a massive growth opportunity. It's - and because it's early days, you know, we don't see any real risk in terms of where we're headed there.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Nice. Thanks, guys. I guess the flip side of question, just on the consumer, I mean, historically you been in business a long time Mark, obviously built it 20 plus years. And historically, you know, when you have recessionary implications or dependency in places like this for decades, but obviously, it's real and stretching budgets. I mean, how do you see the players within sportsbooks adjust? And that sort of environment or historically has been fairly recession proof? Thanks, guys.

Mark Locke

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, recession proof is very strong. I mean, I would actually - I would say, recession resilient. And these businesses, are - we sort of into a few cycles now. And, and you're right, you know, they tend to stand up well. So, you know, I think that sort of macro dynamics of what's going on in the market, especially in the US market with the high growth that you're seeing, I think that somewhat the - some of those dynamics are even more muted. So, we don't expect the particularly, you know, any significant effects beyond, you know, sort of some macro events, we really can't predict.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Mr. Hickey, are you done with your questions?

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, guys. Good luck.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from the line of Ben Chaiken from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst

Hey, how's it going? When we think about the transition from ‘'22 to ‘'23, I think your guide implies, just over 30% EBITDA flow through. When we get to '23, are those fixed costs for the business relatively set? I guess what I'm getting at is, you know, how would you frame EBITDA flow through in years '23 and beyond?

Nicholas Taylor

Analyst

Yeah, hi, it's Nick, again. Yeah, I mean, the 2023 dynamics on cost basis is no different than 2022 or wont be the 2021 dynamics. The cost base is relatively fixed, as I said earlier, the rights obviously, long term deals and therefore we got great visibility of what they are and very, very few of them have any kind of profit share element to them, certainly the material ones. And therefore I know sitting here right now what our 2023 right cost is going to be. Obviously subject to any opportunities to sign up some more EBITDA accretive deals. And as I said earlier, the remaining parts of our cost are either people cost where there's natural control that we have. And then the sort of mix between media and betting and sports businesses, really the only other area where that mix will have a small impact on margins, but frankly, not massively material. So you know, 2023 cost dynamics and the difference 2022 or 2024. I mean, beyond obviously, you start getting - it starts getting a little bit of taper, but the basic concept of a fixed cost base growing at a slower rate than the revenues growing is the same in 2023. It will be in 2025, 2026 and beyond.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst

Got you. Okay, the question was coming, just because I thought you guys were suggesting an investment in the business over the next 18 months. But bleeding into 2030, which made me think that maybe the floor could be higher. I appreciate that. Switching gears a little bit. This one might be tricky to answer. But on the Investor Day, you broke out some assumptions around industry win, there came a review, explicitly broke it out or backed into it. But I think it's suggested around 3% win rates, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken. What we'd be looking for rather when to see if this expectation was correct, or is correct. Meaning you need to get through an entire season of sports in '22? Or will this summer, inform your view in some way? And I recognize that might be tough.

Jack Davison

Analyst

Yeah, hi. It's Jack, again. So when we were talking about, win rate [ph] in play on the Investor Day, of course, specifically, we're talking about, you know, NFL in play, because that's where, you know, obviously, a lot of our focus and attention is, and so that's where our focus is, as we're focusing here on that. And as we talked at great length on the Investor Day, our expectations and our understanding and learnings from other markets is that the win rate on the NFL was a bit underway, we - where expectations were. But with a real clear expectation there are a lot of stakeholders aligned across the business, across the industry, that will seek to improve that and those stakeholders include us, include the operators, includes the sports, you know, includes the NFL themselves, so we're trying to think about ways to further engage in game. So it's a bit early to tell where we sit, where we sat in – on the Investor Days, we outlined our assumptions, we think those assumptions are really conservative, and I'm moving from those assumptions at the moment. And, you know, we won't really know until we push into next season, whether those assumptions are right or not, but we feel pretty good about those ones and getting the right balance between what we think is going to happen in conservative way.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst

Got you, helpful. Okay, so it sounds like another year of sports. So getting through the NFL season. It's upcoming. Okay, cool. That's helpful. Thank you.

Jack Davison

Analyst

I think that's right. I think we're obviously - there's a huge amount of product development focus right now, in our business in the industry, which is about how do you engage in play, now that sometimes about content, sometimes about live streaming for operators, so what you know, that's actually - show the matches on an operator site. Sometimes about product, you know, we're building some, others are building points [indiscernible] products, which is, you know, all of these things will drive margin forward. So the other thing to recognize from our point of view is that we're very specifically - lots of details on the NFL because we get lots of questions about it, and rightly so. It's only one part of our business, it's only you know, it's only one part of the business. So, although that stuff does have an impact on our revenues and our outlook going forward, it's not the key driver for us.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst

Great, thank you.

Jack Davison

Analyst

Okay, Ben. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's session. You may disconnect your telephone. Thank you for joining and have a pleasant day. Good-bye.