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Glacier Bancorp, Inc. (GBCI)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 23, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to People’s Utah Bancorp First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mark Olson, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Thank you for joining us today to review our first quarter financial performance. Joining me this morning on the call is Len Williams, President and Chief Executive Officer for People’s Utah Bancorp. Our comments today will refer to the financial results included in our earnings announcement and investor presentation released last night. To obtain a copy of our earnings release or presentation, please visit our website at www.peoplesutah.com. Our earnings release and investor presentation contains forward-looking statements. All statements other than statements of historical fact are forward-looking statements. Such statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and beyond the control of the company. We caution readers that a number of important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied or projected by such forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are intended to be covered by the Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made and we assume no duty to update such statements except as required by law. I will now turn the call over to Len Williams. Len?

Len Williams

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. Good morning and thank you for joining the call today. Before our prepared remarks, I would like to acknowledge and thank the healthcare professionals for their tireless and selfless efforts in the frontlines to help those infected with the COVID-19 virus. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and with their families impacted by the pandemic. I would also like to express my gratitude for the bank’s leadership team and the many associates who have adjusted their lifestyle dramatically to continue to be there for our clients and the communities we serve. Included with the 8-K we filed yesterday is not only our first quarter earnings release, but also a presentation that highlights our response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the efforts we have made to assist our clients, the business sectors and our loan portfolio that maybe the most impacted by the pandemic and the strength of our balance sheet to withstand the potential negative effects as shutting down the economy may have on our clients and us. We will be speaking to both the earnings release and the presentation on this call. As events began to unfold with the health risks of COVID-19, our immediate concern was the health and welfare of our dedicated associates. We immediately executed on our pandemic response incorporated into our business continuity plan. The response effort has been the largest coordinated project undertaken by the bank and I am incredibly proud of how our associates responded to the challenge. We have seen strength and leadership emerge through this unprecedented business twist. Some key aspects of our readiness response include identifying and isolating high-risk associates, initiating social distancing, eliminating all corporate travel for us and our vendors and dispersing those who already had secure remote access to our systems. We then significantly…

Mark Olson

Analyst

Thanks, Len. Our earnings release contains detailed information related to the series of events amongst and between regulatory bodies related to the adoption or delay in the adoption of CECL. The accounting for loan modifications related to the pandemic and the transitory options that take the impact of the adoption of CECL to regulatory capital over a 3 or 5-year period. In summary, we elected to adopt fully CECL. Second, we elected not to report loan modifications directly related to the pandemic as troubled debt restructurings going forward and we have taken the full impact of the adoption of CECL against our regulatory capital as of the end of the quarter. We believe that we are one of the smallest institutions to adopt CECL. In fact, there have been other banks larger than us that have already announced their first quarter results and they have announced that they have delayed adoption of this accounting guidance. We believe the steps we have taken provide transparency regarding our adoption of CECL and the impact of such adoption has on our overall capital position. Our allowance for credit losses increased $15.3 million or 59% to $41.3 million at the end of the first quarter compared with the year earlier. Allowances for credit losses to total loans increased 62.5% to 2.51% at the end of the quarter compared with 1.55% a year ago. Shareholders’ equity increased $38.8 million or 12.9% to $340 million at March 31, 2020 compared with the same period a year earlier. Our leverage capital ratio was 12.74% at the end of the quarter compared with 12.7% at March 31, 2019. Our first quarter results include the impact of adoption of CECL. Total risk-based capital was 18.6% at the end of quarter compared with 16.9% at March 31, 2019. Tangible equity…

Len Williams

Analyst

Thanks Mark. We find ourselves in challenging and uncertain times a we navigate the effects of shutting down the economy to mitigate the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic throughout this crisis our primary concern has been the safety and security of our associates I am very proud of our team and how they have effectively handled the crisis our next priority was the safety and soundness of this bank we believe that we build a fortify balance sheet that will withstand the negative effects of the pandemic and our other concern is our focus on providing relief to our impacted client’s it is our goal to provide as much assistance as we can to our client’s to support them through this crisis. I appreciate you all joining the call today. At this time, I will turn it back to the moderator to open the lines for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] First question comes from Jeff Rulis of D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Morning Jeff.

Len Williams

Analyst

Hi Jeff.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Len, maybe just to start I wanted to thanks for the detail on the your reference to 19% of the portfolio and then you have detailed retail assisted there being and so forth, would those fall in order of magnitude in terms of retail being the largest and then diminishing from there?

Len Williams

Analyst

They would. And even those in that are retail supported, so I am not – or excuse me they are real estate supported, the bulk of them with some decent equity positions in it, but it’s a big unknown out there. We have been concerned about retail’s transformation to online and I think this pandemic may have just fed that up a bit. So that’s why we have spent the time getting into the portfolio and trying to find out exactly where the issues might be. And we will see where it takes us, but yes, that information we continue to dive into it as well.

Mark Olson

Analyst

And Jeff, even – I am sorry, go ahead.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

No, I was just going to ask as a percentage of the portfolio if I could just like retail if it’s being your largest, is that 5% of loans or what is your largest single exposure there, I mean just in that category?

Len Williams

Analyst

The loan size, is that you are asking?

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

No, no, in that classification, so you have got 19% of the portfolio is at risk, retail makes up of the portfolio 5%, 10%, okay?

Len Williams

Analyst

10%. Yes, if you look at the investor presentation on Page 14, you can see that $160 million is retail related, $65 million is assisted living and nursing home, $58 million is hotel motel, $16 million is restaurants and $11.5 million is arts entertainment recreation.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Got it, okay. Got it, thanks. As a follow-on, go ahead.

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes. The other comment I was going to make is even before the pandemic, we have spent a lot of time putting caps on each area type that we had and retail certainly was an area that we had limited the amount of capital we are going to allocate and I have actively managed down new business based on the amount of capital we wanted to set aside of each category. So, we have been working on that well before the pandemic.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Right. Okay, thanks. And maybe another question on well CECL related, I guess I’d start the question by more of a statement of that, I guess the Day 1, Mark and 2.5% of loans reserved is one of the highest I have seen it. I guess, the question follow-on is sort of nitpicking on, I guess the Day 2 or the provision being I guess small, I mean, you have got a significant Day 1 number, but then the Day 2, I guess on a relative standpoint seems lighter, but that I mean it’s all encompassing. Question being if the provision is real time view of CECL through the first quarter, maybe explain that level and what we could expect to see then if we sort of play out as the credit environment that you have assumed stays in line or perhaps even better, what does that provision do ahead? Thanks.

Mark Olson

Analyst

No, no, it’s a great question. And I guess you have got – I would suggest looking it in context from where we came from as Len mentioned. We have been preparing for downturn for 2 years. And with that, we have been setting aside reserves given our concern on how long the economic cycles. And so we have been looking at even pre-CECL and setting aside reserves on incurred loss basis based on our expectation of losses in the portfolio. And so as I mentioned you look at it for that 10-year cycle period that we are looking at from a CECL perspective, our annualized loss rate was 0.64%, so not significant. Now, obviously, extending that amount based on the duration of the portfolio, so you are taking your 64 basis points plus or times 1.6% that tells you kind of the mean of the loss experience in the portfolio that we have based on the mix that we have today. Anything above that is really related to our estimate of a downturn in the economy. And certainly we view that as needing additional reserves with respect to that. The reason for lower provisions in the first quarter really were a function of first just not any charge-offs and then second, the loan portfolio actually declining rather than increasing quarter-over-quarter. So, it’s difficult to set aside additional reserves when your portfolio is going down given kind of where we are at on economic prospective, where do we think the economy is now what is going to happen going forward is I think difficult for all of us to really determine and certainly as we look at economic data thus far other than the number of folks who are now falling for an appointment that hasn’t been a lot of metrics to be able to look at and assess what is going to happen in the future but we will continue to monitor each quarter and see where trends are going and determine adequacy on go forward basis but there is not a lot of information given where we stand in the pandemic to know what’s going on.

Len Williams

Analyst

Jeff long as same line we knew coming into reporting time how the company has bared on earnings perspective and we went through the portfolio and saying these earnings are pretty high there is an opportunity if we think we are like now is the time we had to take that and fund it and we just couldn’t justify putting any more in at this point we will continue to watch going forward as you said it is one of the higher but our concern going forward is while we identified 19% of the portfolio the longer this lasts the more real estate would be impacted the more real estate is impacted the more we will be impacted so we are watching it closely

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Great, thanks. And maybe one last topic is on the expense side when are they kind of catch up with lot of moving pieces with the macro climate but your own sort of investments that brand re-branding efforts trying to get a timing of so there is internal ride expenses and then may be external forces on working remotely the expense run rate this quarter how do you see that sort of plan out through the year that involves a lot of things but do we curb a lot of that brand re-branding costs and other investments just kind of walk us through there if you could?

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes, we have already done that. Actually the first cut is in the marketing area we have taken a pretty significant hair cut to our budget we are trying to help our as many employees as we can through this process we have committed to continue to pay people for 60 days from when this started and then we have got a revaluate the business model in what’s happening out there as well there we are watching expenses very closely however this quarter we did have some significant equipment purchases most of a small equipments so I am not sure what the timeline for depreciation on those would be I think it will be pretty short so yes it is going to be a hard one to predict because we have had expenses with people moving offsite we have we are hoping we cover that with the marketing sales and some of the others but we recognize we have got some expense opportunities to focus on here to work down but we don’t have number for you at this point.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Jeff the only comment I would make is question is really good one the other is that we are working on is kind of the technology purchases and implementations we have transferred all the projects that we had budgeted for the year and to the extent that we can find a way to delay and defer we are doing that and where we need to be kind of getting ahead of the curve from a technology prospect we are still investing those money’s that we are really looking at costs savings there as well so we are looking at every dollar that we can to kind of reduce rates given the reduction in revenues

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Okay, just to frame that up I mean the $16.2 million in non interest expenses quarter you want to try to hold the line given the moving pieces or at least curb additional growth probably speaking how would you catch that?

Len Williams

Analyst

I would probably catch it and Mark you can speak to this quarter but I don’t think you will see a ton of change until quarter 3 and 4 because we are well into this one and there is some extraordinary first quarter expenses/

Mark Olson

Analyst

I wouldn’t we are going to try to maintain that level and reduce where we can for sure.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Thanks guys. I will step back.

Len Williams

Analyst

Thanks Jeff.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today comes from Andrew Liesch of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Good morning guys. How are you?

Len Williams

Analyst

Good, Andrew. How are you?

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Good, thanks. I just want to focus on the margin here just with building the securities portfolio and increase in the yield there, just kind of curious what you guys were adding during the quarter to support the increase in the yield?

Mark Olson

Analyst

Sure. Well, and let me just say first that given kind of what was going on the repo market in the fourth quarter, we held on to a lot of cash and wanted to kind of get through those issues to make sure there was no issues for us and then in the first quarter, we purchased about $235 million of investment securities, pretty much all in mortgage-backed securities we wanted to have by amortizing securities so we get the cash back as quick as we can, so we can redeploy it into loans as our loan portfolio grew. We are looking at kind of across the band. We bought 15, 20, and 30-year mortgages. We bought jumbos and conventionals, I mean anywhere that made sense and we could buy at a good price we are doing it. You can see kind of the improvement it gave to the overall yield on the investment securities portfolio. We are actively looking at that, I mean, obviously with rates continuing to go to down, there is potential for higher prepayments and so we are trying to make sure that we are seeing as short as we can.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Got it. What’s your appetite for more mortgage-backed securities purchases given the environment right now?

Mark Olson

Analyst

It’s – we will probably buy as much as – as little as we can, but you look at it, if you are buying short duration or shorter duration 15 and 20 year securities, I mean we look at it right now and given the portfolio size of our investment securities portfolio, we are probably going to get $120 million coming back to us just as share loans. So, we are going to need to reinvest those funds to the extent that the loan portfolio doesn’t grow and so we will do that and we will probably end up with yields north of 2%, but probably not more than that.

Len Williams

Analyst

Andrew, this is going to be an interesting quarter with that anyways, with these PPP loans coming on and then funded. We will utilize cash for that. But if all things work well that will be out in less than two quarters. We will see how that works. So, we have held a little excess there. And then we also going into April, we have had our largest loan backlog or pipeline since I have been here, which has been a couple of years whether or not that translates into deals now with the economy shifting we don’t know yet. So we will know a lot more at the end of this quarter.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Got it. Kind of you have alluded to in your prepared comments of market trend being downwards given the Fed rate cuts, but what opportunities are you seeing on the funding side to offset some of that as well?

Len Williams

Analyst

Well, as you know, if you look at the numbers, our overall cost of funding is little north of 40 basis points. It’s hard to get much more squeeze out of it. Having said that, we monitor every week kind of what the market is doing and we have taken some pretty big cuts in rates as we look at it each week, but we are getting close the bottom quite honestly. I think if you go back and look, I think our bottom was like 30 basis points over the last several years. So, there is little bit there but not a ton.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Okay, thanks. You have covered all my other questions.

Len Williams

Analyst

Thanks, Andrew.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from David Buster [ph] of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Len Williams

Analyst

Good morning, David, welcome.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate the commentary on the size of the pipeline heading into April, that’s terrific. Just curious what’s the composition of that and I guess what are you hearing from clients, what’s the pulse of the market? And ultimately, I mean how do you think about loan growth here exclusive of the PPP program? I mean, do you think that you could see net growth near-term given the size of the pipe or maybe some continued compression shrinkage?

Len Williams

Analyst

Ye, it’s hard to give much guidance on it. We have been holding and slightly of late, but it’s relatively immaterial with a 1, what do we have a 1.4-year duration of a full portfolio, things are spinning pretty quickly. We would I am encouraged by the pipeline but I am discouraged by the potential future so I don’t know how much trade off and really what to predict with the economy we will stay in business we will stay helping our client’s best we can and we got a four to five balance sheet to endure and provide returns through this thing but it is hard to predict.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. So it sounds like what’s that?

Len Williams

Analyst

It’s not. David, I just took it to say one of the positive areas we have certainly seen is on the construction side I mean much of the construction and you had a lot of construction demand continues to work on projects etcetera so hopefully there are some opportunity there but we will see.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So just taking the commentary maybe flattish loan growth combined with the commentary before on the provision expense I mean it sounds like if we are expecting not much balance sheet growth combined with may be some deteriorating economic factors that go into the CECL model there are probably not much in the way reserve build that you are expecting in the second and third quarter?

Mark Olson

Analyst

I wish I could say what that is going to look like but we believe we are adequate right now but it is hard to know given the number of people that are unemployed and how quickly does the states reopen and business get back to business so we are going to monitor closely but yes you are right I mean I don’t think we are going to see significant loan growth and with that there is it is only going to replenishment of charge-offs quite honestly/

Len Williams

Analyst

In a normal – if things were normal I would say to expect a little bit of loan growth and you would see the reserves go up a little based on where we are today I totally agree with Mark’s comments we feel we are well covered now we are well covered for what we feel may happen but there is a big unknown out there.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, that makes sense. And then just last one for me, just on the PPP program, you got $65 million, but just kind of how are applications coming today in our, I guess expectations going forward or kind of fee income could be generated and just what’s the relationship with the fin-tech firm, are you – they are just processing these or are you referring the loan to them?

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes, we are basically referring them to them. With us, we have dedicated amount of the balance sheet to do that. We have the cash so there is no sense for us borrowing through the Fed window to do that. We have got capacity to manage what we have said we could take on, but outside of that, I think it becomes a big client service issue that we just don’t have the resources. So we have sent probably three times the applications through this fin-tech and they own them. There is a small little referral fee that really amounts to nothing. You won’t even see it. But it’s a tough process. The banks have been asked to distribute a lot of money over a short period of time with limited instructions. And we as I mentioned earlier after our employees, our top priority is keeping this banks safe. And we know what we can handle beyond that I think it jeopardizes relationships even more than it would be if we couldn’t do it upfront. So, we are trying to take care of our clients the best we can and through us it depends on what happens with the second round everything we have in has been processed and through us. So we are just waiting for the SBA to open up again and then we will process through their e-trans process and see what happens. At this point it’s almost going to look like a lottery. And then on the other hand, we had several process, but my understanding is this fin-tech [indiscernible], they were the only one to come to the table initially. And with that, I think they have had about 2,000 or 1,700 applications of ours times that by 70, because my understanding when we went on, there were 70 other banks already in the queue. So there is the percentage they are able to process we are going to have to deal with some of that too.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Just last quick one for me you talked about deferral requests on about 20% of your book as of March 30, how has that trended thus far in the second quarter and are there any industry concentrations or anything interesting that you have noticed in those?

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes, it’s been interesting because our Chief Credit Officer anticipating this put a program together and a plan what we have actually got a worksheet on what was cash flow before, what’s causing the need to extend, when do you anticipate being out and then we are not going to increase payments, we will extend duration of these deals for a few months. So it is really a deferment. And a lot of companies that we are just not sure, but here is where we are at cash flow work. So we made the decision based on a little bit of knowledge of the clients versus this isn’t going to be able to pay now it will never be able to pay, those would have been different decisions that we would have to work through in other way. So they are good clients. We feel good about what we have done and we know them. I would say the same thing for most of the PPP loans with us if something happens with the programs some of these ends up in loans we are going to be okay with that, because they are good clients.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. Thanks guys.

Len Williams

Analyst

Thank you.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Thanks, David.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question today comes from John Rodis of Janney. Please go ahead.

John Rodis

Analyst

Good morning guys.

Len Williams

Analyst

Hey John.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Hey John.

John Rodis

Analyst

Hope you guys are doing well. Crazy times.

Len Williams

Analyst

It really is. It really is. The neat thing though is we are seeing some special things happen. We are seeing some superstars emerge out of this. We are seeing leaders lead. We are seeing solutions, creative solutions that are coming up. So I just continue to try to look at the good that’s coming out of this and the growth we have all had like many of us being through the hyperinflation in the late 70s and early 80s and interest rates where they were and we survived that and then the fall of the market in ‘87 we figured our way through that, the tech bust, 9/11, the great recession, this one is totally different new and we are seeing totally different new creative ways to work through it that I think will help frankly help business and the industry grow, but it is painful for now.

John Rodis

Analyst

You learn a lot about people in bad times so.

Len Williams

Analyst

You do.

John Rodis

Analyst

Absolutely. Just, Mark, on the PPP loans what’s the average fee on that, is it around probably 3% give or take?

Mark Olson

Analyst

Yes, that’s about right. Maybe a little bit more than that to be honest with you, because we limited to where we are not taking the 1%. We are keeping them under $2 million.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay, okay. And then just back to your comment on the securities portfolio, so it sounds like you probably keep it around this elevated level for the foreseeable future, is that the right takeaway?

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes, that’s right.

John Rodis

Analyst

And then just on the margin directionally you said down and I know you don’t give formal guidance, but if I go back a few years to when rates were basically zero and you guys were a smaller company back then, but the margin was sort of 450ish, is that sort of the right way to think about it?

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes, I think the only difference there would be that at that time I don’t think we had as much in cash and securities that has a negative effect I mean we have a large amount 30% of the balance sheet in the lower yielding products so that is going to have a negative effect as well.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay. So then and there, it could be below the 350 level 450 I am sorry?

Len Williams

Analyst

Yes.

John Rodis

Analyst

Can you say what the margin was for the month of March?

Len Williams

Analyst

I can’t. I don’t actually have it in front of me I don’t know.

John Rodis

Analyst

Okay, that’s it. That’s okay. Len maybe it’s too early for this, but as far as you guys are in a pretty good position you built the reserve, I know there is a lot of uncertainty, but M&A opportunities that could emerge from this situation?

Len Williams

Analyst

John, that’s a great question and great point. I think over the past couple of years as we been trying to prepare and shift and manage the balance sheet little bit it has always been top of mind it continues to be top of mind I don’t know what the answer is I don’t know what shape out it will come we do keep in contact where some of the potential opportunities throughout our region and we are in position to support that so I would hope we would be able to help somebody out and frankly help our team and bank grow it is on our mind but I don’t think it is on a whole lot of sellers mind right now it is how we get through this PPP and survive through the quarter and then may be those discussions will pick up a little bit more.

John Rodis

Analyst

I hear you. Okay. Thank you, guys. Be safe.

Len Williams

Analyst

Thank you. You too.

Mark Olson

Analyst

You too.

Operator

Operator

The next question is a follow-up from Jeff Rulis of D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Yes. Just a couple of quick housekeeping items. Mark, the FDIC premium expected to return and that would be about, what is that about $90,000 a quarter?

Mark Olson

Analyst

Yes, I think it’s a little higher than that. Just loot at the – go back to the first quarter, whatever that amount is that, that will be – what will be running at, but yes, we are done with the assessment, so it will be fully expensed going forward.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

And then on the margin, what was the accretion impact this quarter and last, so you got 10 basis points increase reported, was there any sort of accretion, what were the levels of benefit?

Mark Olson

Analyst

It was 16 basis points this quarter. And we have got a combination of two things, it’s just the normal amortization of that accretible discount that we will have each quarter, but then to the extent that we have a loan payoff that we had credit discount on that full amount comes in to income when the loan pays off. And in the first quarter, we did have a loan that paid off that had a pretty good amount of discount on it. So that comes into income when the loan goes away.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

So, what was the total benefit in the fourth quarter versus the 16 basis points this quarter?

Mark Olson

Analyst

I don’t have that in front of me. I think it was around 12 basis points, but I don’t know for sure.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Okay. That’s it for me. Thanks.

Len Williams

Analyst

Thanks, Jeff.

Mark Olson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

As there are no further questions, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Len Williams for any closing remarks.

Len Williams

Analyst

Well, thank you very much and thank you all for joining us. We know this has been an interesting – we are in an interesting time. It would be a lot more fun to celebrate the success of the quarter, but that’s old news now and onward to Q2 here as we try to negotiate through some new times. So, thank you joining us, love to also thank the employees, the associates who joined on the call. We miss you guys here. Stay safe and we will talk again soon. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.