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Glacier Bancorp, Inc. (GBCI)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 21, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Glacier Bancorp Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to President and CEO, Randy Chesler. You may begin.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Leanne. So, good morning and thank you everybody on the call for taking time out of your summer to join us today. Here with me in Kalispell this morning is Ron Copher, our Chief Financial Officer; Don Cherry, our Chief Administrative Officer; Barry Johnston, our Chief Credit Administrator; and Angela Dose, our Principal Accounting Officer. Yesterday, we released our second quarter 2017 results and we're very pleased to report continued solid performance and momentum driven by growth in our loan portfolio, healthy margins, strong credit performance, and moderating non-interest expenses. For the quarter, our earnings were $33.7 million, which includes $867,000 of acquisition-related expenses. That's an increase of $3.2 million or 11% over the second quarter a year ago and an increase of $2.4 million or 8% versus the first quarter of 2017. Diluted earnings per share were $0.43, an increase of $0.03 or 8% from the prior year second quarter and an increase of $0.02 or 5% from the prior quarter. Return on assets was 1.39%, up from 1.34% in the second quarter of 2016 and 1.35% in the last quarter. Return on equity was up as well, coming in at 11.37% for the quarter versus 10.99% a year ago and 11.19% last quarter. For the first half of the year, earnings were $64.9 million, an increase of $5.8 million or 10% over the prior first half. Return on equity for the first six months of the current year was 11.28% compared to 10.76% for the same period last year. We also declared our 129th consecutive regular dividend of $0.21 per share, an increase of $0.01 per share or 5% over the second quarter a year ago and the prior quarter. The company completed the acquisition of TFB Bancorp, the holding company for The Foothills Bank,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Jeff Rulis with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Matt Hollands

Analyst

Good morning.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Good morning Jeff.

Matt Hollands

Analyst

Sorry, this is Matt on for Jeff. I just had a couple questions. First one in regards to loan growth, the organic loan growth is pretty strong for the quarter. Was there any geographic areas that outperformed your expectations or -- and you expect to outperform in the future?

Barry Johnston

Analyst

This is Barry. There was one credit team out of the Citizens Community Bank down in Pocatello. It was a $32 million transaction. That was the exception; the rest of it was pretty broad based.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Yes, we look across all the 14 divisions and see very consistent, strong performance across the Board. Wyoming is -- the State of Wyoming tends to be a little bit softer, but other than that, very, very broad based.

Matt Hollands

Analyst

Thanks for the color. And my last question is about margin, we saw the cost of funds are flat sequentially, but I was curious if you're seeing any pressure in regards to deposit costs?

Randall Chesler

Analyst

We obviously are constantly talking to the -- our bank presidents. And at this point, we're -- from our customers; we're just not hearing a real loud cry for increases there. So, we watch it closely. We -- obviously, it's -- one of the advantages of the model is we can respond to that based on each individual geography. But we just have not seen a real strong kind of pressure to do anything there. So, we'll continue with our strategy of looking to hold them, but obviously keeping a dialogue -- communication open with each of the local markets.

Matt Hollands

Analyst

Thanks for the color. I'll step back.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Michael Young with SunTrust. Your line is open.

Nicholas Alter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning.

Randall Chesler

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Morning Michael.

Nicholas Alter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

This is actually Nick on for Michael. I have a quick question related to the securities book. As a percentage of assets, it's obviously down 28%. As you continue on this balance sheet remix strategy, is there a certain target percentage of total assets you're aiming towards?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

I think we've previously said somewhere around 20% to 25%. So, I wouldn't call it a target. I think we'll see -- that's the range, I think, that ultimately we see it falling into. So, that hasn't changed. I think as this remix continues, we'd probably look forward to be in that range.

Nicholas Alter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Got it. And two quick questions. One, as it relates to discount accretion. It's roughly four to five bps, is that a good for -- on a run rate basis going forward for the quarter?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

It's a little tough to tell on that because some of this came through our Foothills acquisition and that's fresh accounting. But probably in that ballpark, that's probably going to be about the amount we see here for at least for this year.

Nicholas Alter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Okay, got it. And then one last question if I can. As it relates to tax and the new market tax credits, what's your outlook on more tax investments and the tax rate as we look to the back half of 2017?

Ron Copher

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Yes, great question. This is Ron. The tax rate is up this quarter and probably going to stay up around the 26%, more owing to the fact that we're just simply growing taxable income as opposed to the tax-exempt income. And then on the tax credit front, which we certainly do those projects, we are having a slow elevated use of the tax credit. Last year, we made a number of equity investments in low-income housing projects that are starting to come online. And so yes, it will go up. But our income that's taxable is growing much faster than the tax credits that are coming on. So, 26% would be a good rate to consider for your models.

Nicholas Alter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matthew Forgotson with Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

I'm going to be careful saying good morning because I got the first two wrong. Is that you Matt?

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Yes it is. Good morning.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

All right. Good morning.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Okay. On the margin, I just want to make sure I'm thinking clearly here. Can you just quantify how much purchase accounting accretion contributed to the second quarter margin?

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Okay. So, in total, it's nine. And the way we described it was a five basis point increase over the prior quarter.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Got it, okay. Perfect. Thank you. I guess, then just shifting over to expenses. You've always said that we should expect some of the synergies from CCP to begin to surface in 2018. Can you give us a midyear update here on the opportunities you've identified and better yet, just a preliminary sense of where we might see the efficiency ratio trend that those efficiencies are mined?

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Sure. Well, to begin with, I'd say we're pretty happy with where the efficiency hit this quarter. And we think -- like I said, we were targeting 55% that was a couple hundred basis points improvement over the prior year and now we're thinking it's going to be closer to 54% based on how things are going. And CCP is going on very well and that gets back to the 14 divisions really focusing on that. And we have an initiative. We've got a very sharp individual working with each of the 14 divisions on the CCP saves. And there's really a couple of phases to it. There's what I'd call kind of the first phase, which is the obvious efficiencies and then there's more detailed kind of process mapping as we look to reengineer some of our processes. So, I'll talk about the first phase because that's one that's furthest along. I'd say in 2018, based on what we're seeing now on a full year basis, there's probably somewhere $752 million worth of expense that we'll pick up. And we're still working on the second phase, which is the reengineering of processes now that we can do that with one platform and that's underway right now. So, I can't really put a number on those at this point.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then just lastly, and then I'll hop out. Just on the loan loss provision, $3 million this quarter. Can you help us decompose that a little bit? How much of that $3 million was to establish specific reserves? And then how much was for, I guess, we'll call it loan growth? Just trying to get a sense of how we ought to expect provisioning to trend relative to the 2Q level.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Well, its -- there's a lot of science that goes into that provision. And the factors that are reviewed every quarter that we have to review with our outside accounting firm move and it's difficult to predict exactly where it will be. But remember, I think -- so we're going to look at growth. We're going to look at -- in this case, we had Foothills, so that changed things around a little bit, environmental factors, so it's difficult -- charge-offs. So, it's difficult to really give you a clear direction on where to see that go. But I think -- I don't think it's going to move much more around kind of the levels you're seeing, but just depending on our analysis and the factors and there's a number of factors that get adjusted and reviewed every quarter. That's the kind of science we have to go through because, obviously, we have to justify that with our outside accounting firm and the methodology behind it is pretty complex.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Okay. Very good. Thank you very much.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

All right. You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Matthew Clark with Piper Jaffray. Your line is open.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Good morning.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Good morning Matthew.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Curious on -- in trying to stay below $10 billion in assets at year end, just curious how much cash flow's coming off the securities portfolio knowing there's a decent slug in munis in there. But also just curious what your other plans are to help stay under $10 billion given that you're only about $100 million away in terms of assets.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Right. So, I'll let Ron jump in since this is what he spends most of his time this day watching. But the investment, we're using the cash flow as the investments to fund new loans. And I think Ron that ran at about 180, the cash flows per quarter coming off there.

Ron Copher

Analyst

Right.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

So, that continues and that's been a very nice remix for us and also helping with keeping us below. And its couple of things on the -- there's two things to think about on the $10 billion. One is we're -- most front and center is mindful of Durbin. And the way that, that works is that if your call reported the end of the year, if you report in excess of $10 billion, then you trigger Durbin. So, we could theoretically go above $10 million before the end of the year, bring it down and still avoid Durbin. We're not planning to do that. We're going to plan -- we're planning to stay below $10 billion this entire year. The other consideration is the DFAST requirements and that is triggered -- you become a designated institution after four quarters of averaging that takes you over $10 billion. So, there's two things, the kind of reasons why to keep it low as long as possible. But for us, the primary consideration is Durbin. And as we've talked about, once we get into 2018 with our acquisition of Columbine, when we finalize that, we'll be well on our way over the $10 billion. But Ron, did you want to talk about some of the actions that keep us below?

Ron Copher

Analyst

Yes, so we're working with a third-party vendor where we can, with customers' full knowledge, blessing, sell-off deposits temporarily. They always have the convenience in knowing that they're always going to have FDIC insurance. So that is a solution that enables us to move those off and then bring them back in the first quarter. But back to the comment Randy made about the target range for the investment portfolio, 20% to 25%, and you mentioned a lot of munis. And so we have the ability to -- as munis are called, we could even sell some munis and pay down borrowings, pay back wholesale deposits. So, we have quite a few levers both on the asset side and the liability. We have some lower yield incorporates that I really can't pledge them other than to the Federal Reserve discount window, concerned about the discount window. So, we have a number of, again, levers that we can pull and feel confident that we're going to stay below $10 billion, $9.30 billion and certainly at year end.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Great. Thanks. And then on loan yields, just curious what the weighted average rate was on new production this quarter.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

So, the -- as we calculated and that one we were just talking about, I think we came in at 4.85 this quarter. So, we're very happy with that. And I think we are really doing the best we can and putting a lot of focus on pricing all the new production kind of to our targeted return levels. And I think Barry and his -- and the Chief Credit Officers in the 14 divisions have done an excellent job seeing the new production and getting healthy pricing.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Great. And then last one just on cost saves from the Foothills acquisition, just curious how much you realized in the quarter, if any.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Cost saves?

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Yes, cost saves from the acquisition.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Very little, if any.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

I think we're just incorporating that into the company. So, really nothing is really reflective of that.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Jackie Bohlen with KBW. Your line is open.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Hi Randy, good morning.

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Good morning.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

First question on just service charges. The seasonality in that was a bit more than it's been in past years, was there anything unusual that happened in the second quarter?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

No, there was no -- just reflective of the activity in the marketplace, I think just -- but nothing out of the ordinary.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Okay. And would you expect that to do another seasonal uptick in 3Q given the strength in 2Q?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

We were just talking about that this morning and we do -- that could be likely. I mean, we're starting to see some good trends. I think the early start was -- probably a fair amount of that weather related with the tourist season and some of that activity that's driven by just all the visitors across our footprint. So, yes, I think, at this point, that's frank, we should continue to see that through 3Q and then as you know, seasonally, that will start to drop-off as we wind up the year.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Okay. And what is the fire outlook this year?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Right now it's pretty muted, which is another reason why I hesitated a little on the outlook on the fees because we haven't had any fires, which really dampens the visitors. And there are some fires burning and they just haven't -- they're not of the size that really kind of darkens the skies and creates some issues for people to stay away. So, as long as -- it's getting -- start to get a little dry, so we're hopeful that the fires can be kept at bay, but at this point, really across the footprint, we're not -- that's not a material problem.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Okay. And then just one last one, as we look at loan growth and you've increased what you think the company can put up this year, how much of that is driven by the economy and how much of that is driven by just internal operations?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

The loan growth?

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Just moving from that 7% up to 11% and the strength you had in the quarter, is the economy doing better? Is it just more traction within some of the internal initiatives you might have going on?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

I think it's both. I do think across our 14 bank divisions, the markets are -- we're seeing some good economic growth and it's above the national average generally, with the exception of Wyoming, very, very strong. We have a lot more time and focus on our customers now, 2016, where Barry spent a lot of time on the CCP project and more than we probably realize the amount of time and really concern about planning really well, but people have to put a lot of time into it. So, I think that's the other piece that we have a lot more time for customers and I think that's showing. And the third prong and probably the most effective out of all those is really our model. And I think our model of good banks and good markets with good people, when those markets pick up, we've got -- we typically, in each of our 14 banks, have very good relationships with the folks who grow when the markets grow. And as the bigger banks get bigger and pull authority out, that just helps us and we're the beneficiaries of that. So, the model is really firing on all eight cylinders across the 14 divisions and I think that, coupled with those other two things, really are why we're growing at the rates we're growing. And we've taken a lot of time, Jackie; to make sure that those are the right factors and that there's no credit creep that's driving that. And I can tell you, Barry's looked at it, we've had third parties double check it for us. We feel very comfortable we're operating in the sandbox and those -- and the factors that I walked through are really what's driving the growth.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful. And those are my questions.

Randall Chesler

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

All right. You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tim Coffey with FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning everybody.

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Morning.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Randy, looking at the borrowings and advances on the balance sheet, do any of those have prepayment penalties?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Yes, there are. Some of the borrowings do have prepayment penalties associated with them.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Okay. The ones that don't, could they be put in a box of those that you could lower over the course of the year to stay under $10 billion?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Yes, exactly. So, as we look at our balance sheet, some of those are inside in Ron's sites in terms of additional ways to kind of lower the -- give us a little more headroom. So, yes, we're looking at that as well.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

You don't happen to have a dollar figure for how much that is, do you?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

How much kind of borrowings that we can take off the balance sheet?

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Yes.

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

I think Ron can probably give you a ballpark on that.

Ron Copher

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Let me start with the -- we have what are called the knockout puttable structured advances by another name and so there's $155 million sitting there that I will be reluctant to want to go that path. Prepayment penalties can be a bit steep. And then I don't have a precise number because it ebbs and flows with where we are with our loan growth and sometimes of having to borrow overnight at the Federal Home Loan Bank window, but those are exactly the types that we can pay down.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Okay. And those are about $200 million-ish at quarter end?

Ron Copher

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Yes, that would come in at $180 million or $175 million, closer to that.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Okay. And then Randy as you progress through the year and start looking to 2018, could there be a build in the marketing budget or the advertising budget to kind of communicate to your markets that you are again open for business in terms of growing the balance sheet and such?

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Well, I don't think our customers ever felt that we weren't open for business. I want to make sure I'm painting the right picture. In 2016, I think no one really felt that we weren't doing any business. I think it was just our ability to get out there and pursue it and get every -- get our share of the market plus. I think -- and so we've talked about what's going on this year. And really the marketing budgets are driven by the banks individually. So, we believe each division has the best feel for how to allocate resources in their market. And I think each of them -- and interestingly, they all take a very different approach on how to lever marketing budget. But we're growing at the -- as we said, thinking about 11% on a full year basis and that's just kind of using our standard marketing that's -- and really driven by people in the marketplace with really solid relationships. So, no, I wouldn't expect you would see any kind of material increase in the marketing budget.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

Okay. All right. Well thank you. Those were my questions.

Randall Chesler

Analyst · FIG Partners. Your line is open.

All right Tim. You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

You do have a follow-up from Matthew Clark. Your line is open.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Yes. Hi. I just want to clarify. You mentioned a larger loan you guys made in the quarter. Just -- can you remind us how large of a loan that was and what type of credit it is?

Barry Johnston

Analyst

It was $32 million. It was for a student housing complex.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay. And can you just also maybe give us a sense for how many loans or relationships you have of that size, say, over $25 million or $30 million?

Barry Johnston

Analyst

I do have that information. Over $25 million.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

I guess, just trying to get a sense for if that's a larger loan for you or not, typically.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Yes, it's a larger loan for us. Loans of that size gets signed off in the local markets by the division through Barry's executive loan committee and at the GBCI board level. So, there's a lot of eyes on anything that size I can assure you.

Barry Johnston

Analyst

There's 32 relationships greater than $25 million.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just the last one for me on retail commercial real estate. I'm assuming you guys have done some digging within your own portfolio. But could you help maybe quantify that exposure and maybe drill down to some of the pieces that might be at risk of the Amazon effect?

Randall Chesler

Analyst

Sure. Well, there's -- the obvious are malls. I think that's kind of the ground zero of this effect. And we have very little exposure to malls here, I think $40 million total. And then here in the West and in our markets -- we don't have the same dynamics in the East and the West Coast where there's a lot of mega malls built. Most of our retails and strip shopping centers and -- doesn't have the same profile. Nevertheless, we're still sensitive to some of the bigger retailers having issues. But most of our portfolio is smaller operators in smaller projects. And to this point, we haven't seen extraordinary material pressure on those players. So, we're watching it, but we just -- we're watching the national trends, but just because of the unique kind of Western markets that we operate in, just have less of a -- less exposure to it.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to Mr. Randy Chesler for any further remarks.

Randall Chesler

Analyst

All right. Well, we're very happy with the quarter and very happy with the momentum and the excitement. We have a lot of things going on, so we look forward to telling you all about it at the end of the third quarter. And we thank you again for dialing in today. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.