Yes, I know, I think for family type businesses, and where you might have a couple of people that do own it, I think there is some of what you're saying. I think they look forward and see that, they've come off, obviously, in some companies really got a big boost from COVID, which is probably one of the biggest issues, right? You look at some of these companies, and you look at their history, you roll it back to '18 -- 2018. 2019, which we obviously do, because 20 -- at the end of '19, 2020 and even some at '21 is just not realistic, right? So where you find, I think your point that the contrast in bid ask spreads, to some degree comes from the negotiation over? Well, you've got this big COVID boost. And it's not going to be true and going forward in 2022. And by the way, what -- some of the games that these sellers are playing, and obviously, I don't mean this in a bad way and the investment banks who are working for them, obviously urge them, they do these adjustments to EBITDA and in pro forma and what they're trying to do is say, look, what, we have these expenses to do with increased container costs as an example, or shipping costs, and they try to build that back in to the EBITDA and say, you normalize that it's not as bad as it looks, right. So , yes, some effort on the seller side to get out currently. And then at the same time, the pushback from the buy side on those unrealistic kinds of numbers. So, yes, it's a bit of both of those. And that's why I say, I think going forward, the really good companies and better companies that have gone through this period was still hold up pretty well, will probably still get pretty good valuations, we have some of those ourselves, frankly. And we're kind of getting a sense of what it looks like from the buy side where we're on the sell side. And if the companies are solid, management's are good, they're still going to get a pretty decent relative valuation, because there is a demand out there for good companies to acquire.