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Gladstone Investment Corporation (GAIN)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, May 18, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Gladstone Investment Corporation Fourth Quarter and Year-Ended 3/31/2016 Earnings Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference call, Mr. David Gladstone, you may begin.

David Gladstone

Analyst

All right. Thank you, Kevin, and hello, and good morning to all of you out there. This is David Gladstone, the Chairman, and this is the quarterly as well as the year-end conference call for shareholders and analysts that follow Gladstone Investment, common stocks on NASDAQ under the trading symbol GAIN. And we have 3 series of preferred stocks as well: there's GAINO; there's one that ends in P; and also an N. Again, thank you all for calling in. We're happy to talk to our loyal shareholders and potential shareholders. I'd like to give an update on our company and its investments and we like to give you a view of the business environment. I wish we could do this more often, but quarterly is probably enough. Also, there's an invitation out. If you're ever in the Washington, D.C. area, we're here in McLean, Virginia, just outside Washington, D.C. so please stop by and say hello. There's about 60 or so people here in this office, and I think they're the finest in the business. Now, I'll switch over to our General Counsel, Secretary, Michael LiCalsi. And Michael is also the President of Gladstone Administration, which serves as the Administrator to all the Gladstone funds and related companies. He'll make a statement regarding forward-looking statements. So Michael, go ahead.

Michael LiCalsi

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. This conference call may include forward-looking statements that may constitute within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, including statements with regard to the company's future performance. And these forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties and many other factors, even though they are based on our current plans, which we believe to be reasonable. And many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as anticipate, believes, expects, intends, will, should, may and similar expressions. And there are many factors that may cause our actual results to be materially different from any future results that are expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements, including information listed under the caption Risk Factors in our Form 10-K filing and our registration statement as filed with the SEC, and all these can be found on our website, www.gladstoneinvestment.com or the SEC's website, www.sec.gov. And the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise after the date of this conference call, except as required by law. And please also note that past performance or market information is not a guarantee of any future results. We also ask that you take the opportunity to visit our website, gladstoneinvestment.com, and sign up for our email notification service. You can also find us on Facebook, keyword: The Gladstone Companies; and on Twitter, @GladstoneComps. And the call today will be an overview of our results through March 31, 2016. So for more detailed information, we ask that you read our press release issued yesterday and also review our Form 10-K for the year-ended March 31, 2016, again, which we filed yesterday with the SEC. And those can be accessed on our website, gladstoneinvestment.com. And you can find the 10-K on the SEC's website as well. Now, let's turn to David Dullum, President of Gladstone Investment, to get an update on the fund's performance and outlook.

Dave Dullum

Analyst

Well, thanks, Mike, and good morning to all. So we're reporting on a good year. And so for a little bit of context, I just wish to reiterate what is Gladstone Investment. We are a publicly traded fund focused on buyouts of U.S. businesses, with annual EBITDA between $5 million and $30 million. The structure that we use for financing in any buyout usually consists of a direct equity investment for significant ownership position in combination with secured first and second lien debt. This combination of the equity and debt produces the mix of assets, which provides a current income for our dividend distributions to our stockholders on a monthly basis and the potential capital gains distributions when we sell or exit a company or sell our equity. So how do we differentiate ourselves? Gain is not a traditional credit or a debt-oriented BDC. What does this mean? Well, we're investing in operating companies and when we make an investment in the company, we take a significant equity position in that company. So, in other words, we really are, in our terminology, becoming the sponsor or, to some extent, the significant equity owner and buyer of that business. Now this differs from other public BDCs that are predominantly debt-focused and generally referred to as credit-oriented BDCs. So for example, the current proportion of the equity to debt for the investments in our portfolio is roughly 30% to 70% at their cost value. Most of the BDCs portfolios you'll find are more to the 10%-90% proportion. So it's a pretty significant difference. And also when we're involved in a company, we generally, in my terminology, are leading with our equity investment and bringing the debt along with it. So this is intentional on our part, as our strategy and the shareholder…

Julia Ryan

Analyst

Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. As Dave just discussed, the fund had another strong fiscal year. So this year's originations together with highly successful originations in previous years, we generated nearly $51 million in total investment income, and over $20 million in net investment income. On the balance sheet side, at the end of this year, we had over $506 million in assets, consisting of approximately $488 million in investments at fair value, $4.5 million in cash and cash equivalents, about $14 million in other assets. Our portfolio's approximate allocation was $369 million of debt securities and $149 million in equity securities or roughly at 70% to 30% allocation at cost, as Dave mentioned earlier. Our liabilities and equity on March 31 consisted of $95 million in borrowings outstanding on our credit facility, approximately $122 million in Term Preferred Stock, $10 million in other liabilities and $279 million in equity. The net asset value was $9.22 per share as of March 31, up $0.56 from December 31, which primarily resulted from net unrealized appreciation of $17.7 million this quarter. The increase was principally due to improved performance of certain portfolio companies. And consistent with the previous 4 quarters, we continued to use an external third-party valuation specialist to provide additional data points regarding market comparables and other information related to certain of our more significant equity investments. We will continue this practice and plan to generally update this externally provided data on an annual basis of all of our significant equity investments. Moving over to the income statement for the March quarter. Total investment income was $12.4 million as compared to $12.1 million in the prior quarter. Total expenses net of credits were $7.5 million versus $7.4 million in the prior quarter, leaving net investment income of $4.9 million…

David Gladstone

Analyst

Thank you, Julia, and Dave and Michael and Julia, those were great reports on the operations, the past operations of the company. And during this past year, we were able to report some great accomplishments such as good originations, successful exiting our sale of that 1 portfolio company and a very strong return as well as restructuring a few of the portfolio companies hopefully enabling them to improve their performance going forward. And just to let you know, we have other portfolio companies that are on a path to being positioned for sale, one of them may go public, if the public marketplace comes back, so lots of activity. To recap this year, we made 3 new investments for approximately $56 million. We exited 3 investments, resulting in over $70 million in realized capital gains. In addition, we got about $1.9 million in other income out of that, and we were repaid about $14.5 million of debt. We also restructured 3 companies that had gone through a lot of problems in the past and hopefully enable them to improve their performance in the future. We believe we continue this success going into the next fiscal year. We're off to a great start, obviously, with the announcement of the sale of Acme, we got that money in and turned around and invested most of it into The Mountain. So that kept us going in terms of interest income. There is an indication that we may be entering recession time. It's sort of waxes and wanes back and forth between that and we'll continue to be extra cautious when making investment decisions regarding that. While we continue to monitor the economy, we don't see anything on the horizon that indicates the economy is very strong. There are some signals that are making…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

The sound quality was a little garbled at some points of the discussion. I just wanted to go back and understand, when I looked at the K that was probably shortfall when you compare the fiscal '16 distributions to taxable income. But I think there were some comments made about that in terms of that shortfall and whether there would be a return of capital. Could you repeat that?

Julia Ryan

Analyst

Sure, Mickey, this is Julia Ryan. What I was discussing and apologies if it wasn't as clear. We have a significant portion of prior year's spillover of undistributed NII as well as with current year NII, all of that covered our current year dividend with NII, so all of distributions for this fiscal year are from ordinary income.

David Gladstone

Analyst

There's no return of capital, Mickey.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Right, right, that's what I was getting at. Okay, Dave, maybe for Dave, B-Drys and Meridian Racks valuations are sort of been trending down the last several quarters. Are those credit-related issues? Or is that just mark-to-market situations?

Dave Dullum

Analyst

Yes, well, I would, Mickey, in both cases, they're different. B-Dry has been one that we may have reported on a number of quarters ago, where we effectively took, I'll say, control of the business in a sense that we instituted -- put a new CEO, et cetera, and progress is very, very positive with that company. So right now, that's a function more of just the, I would call it, the progress on the EBITDA, it's heading in the right direction. So that one I think is good. Meridian had a slight downturn in its -- in EBITDA. Nothing to worry about as well. And so, it's not a credit per se in terms of the debt, it's the function of the overall enterprise value of the company. And again, the trends, and that is positive as far as going forward. So I don't have any over-worry in any either of those.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay. That's good to hear. Congratulations on the Acme sale. I wanted to understand a little bit more about it. It was valued -- the total investment was valued at $29 million in September and then $33 million in December, but you ultimately sold it for $44 million, which is, obviously, a very nice result. So will you be booking a success fee? And if you are, how much?

Dave Dullum

Analyst

I'll let Julia respond to that one.

Julia Ryan

Analyst

Sure, Mickey, I think we reported -- we believe that we'll generate roughly $21 million of capital gains and related ordinary income in the form of likely dividend income. We're still going through the analysis of how all that will, ultimately, I guess, clear out. As you can imagine, there's a lot of considerations to be had from a tax perspective and other areas that we need to fully flesh out before we can report a definitive number to our shareholders.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

I understand. Dave, what -- you ultimately sold this for about 50% more than you were valuing it just a couple of quarters ago. What transpired over that time that ultimately led to that valuation? What multiple did you get?

Dave Dullum

Analyst

Mickey, I think I'm not going to mention the multiple necessarily, but the market these days, as you well know, is very strong on the M&A side. And so finding multiples in the, frankly, the high severance, low 8s, is not unusual. The company developed a very strong EBITDA over the last year or so. The process which was managed by investment banking firm you'd recognize, they did a very good job, and we had very strong interest in the company, so it was a classic case of a well-run process, with a very good company, the EBITDA was trending up to the level of $7-plus million range, which as you know tends to get slightly higher multiples in this market. So it’s just a confluence of all the -- all of the right things frankly. So we were very fortunate, very happy with the outcome.

David Gladstone

Analyst

And Mickey, we had 1 buyer that wanted this to match up with 1 company they already own, so they probably paid a little more than everybody else.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

For synergies, I guess. So you got a good multiple on that exit. Can you give us an idea of what you paid for Mountain in terms of a multiple?

Dave Dullum

Analyst

Not the same as the multiple we got on Acme.

David Gladstone

Analyst

It's a different business, so different multiples for different industries, as you well know.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Yes, but I do...

Dave Dullum

Analyst

We're not high multiple buyers, Mickey, you know that.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

I know, I understand. But I do agree with Dave's comments, the market has been pretty strong for good quality companies, so the multiples have been elevated. Couple of more questions.

Dave Dullum

Analyst

Mickey, if I may add that, I think it's an important point, I tried to allude to a bit, I think it's really important. We are, as you well know, the good news about our approach to what we do is, we don't have to go out there and do significant number of deals every month. We really have to do a really good job, I think we've been doing protecting our base, keeping these companies, again, recognizing we have significant ownership in these companies. We have good value in terms of the way which we treat the debt side, keeping those going. And if we make good solid investments, at a rate of 1 every sort of 2, 3 months type of thing in the environment that we're in at multiples that are more in the 5 to 6.5x, that's the good approach for us, and give it us a good strong basis not only for our current distribution, obviously, but overtime to grow it. And obviously, reduces some of the effort or the pressure, if you will, on the funding side, so I think that that's important to keep in mind.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

That's a good segue into my next question. And Dave, you and I have talked about this before. Despite the fact that there is about 3 dozen companies on the schedule of investments, when you look at it, there's 14 of them represent almost 60% of the portfolio. So there is actually some meaningful concentration by borrower, and you and I have talked about that. I'd like to hear what strategies you're understating to, from an operational perspective to get more deal flow and increase diversification, therefore reduce some of the risks in the stock?

David Gladstone

Analyst

Mickey, let me just bump into this conversation because just because something is qualified by the SIC code that it is in the same industry and we -- and you put them together with 14 different -- there is really quite a bit of room within the SIC codes that we categorized these by to be able to say that I think we've hit diversification about as good as anybody is going to hit. 36, if you look -- if you are a statistician, is the magic number, so that when you get to 36, you're usually diversified by almost any analysis. I just -- I think this idea that you have to have 100 or 200 of investments in order to make diversification is wrong. I think we're there.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

But David, all due respect, what I was referring to was borrowers, unless my math is wrong, I counted 14 borrowers. I'm not talking about industries, I'm talking about individual borrowers representing about 60% of the portfolio's fair value.

Dave Dullum

Analyst

Yes, Mickey, let me respond on that. We can have this discussion further offline. I hear what you're saying and I'm going to I guess also respectfully -- not disagree with you entirely, but to say that I'm not sure that's the right focus for the kind of firm and company that we are. Again, I keep mentioning that keeping in mind that the investments that we have, we have very significant equity ownership positions. We do have loans to those companies and the more important thing, I think, is our makeup of assets of those companies, such that we are able to maintain the level of net operating income from those loans, from that category, and be able to generate the income necessary to pay the distributions that we have on cap going forward. I'd much rather think the way we go at it, that way, then I can't run out honestly, and say we're going to diversify by going and making 3 new investments this next month. Remembering we're not just in the loan business, we are actually in this fund, we're making these acquisitions, so we have both the debt and the equity. And so I think it's important to keep that in mind from a -- I understand what you're saying about diversification, but it's more around the individual companies that we own, the way in which we manage those companies, the way in which we make new acquisitions, make exits as we go along the way, as we're showing now as we have been doing, that I think is probably, for me, is as important as anything. I couldn't tell you we can run out and all of a sudden make 4 new investments because we're not going out just to make loans, right? We're looking to own these companies by and large and have significant ownership positions in them.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst

Okay. Maybe we can talk about that a little bit more offline. Just my last question, I think, David sort of alluded to this. If you look at the SIC Codes, the chemical segment represents 19% of the fair value and I understand that that's a real sort of general definition. What I'm really curious about is, how sensitive is that segment to changes in energy price?

David Gladstone

Analyst

Go ahead, Dave.

Dave Dullum

Analyst

I'd say not, I mean, the chemical section, again, as David said, the key thing is really look through how these things get categorized by the SIC codes, how many companies that we have in there, like TruForm, as an example, they're not really certainly impacted by energy per se, they're raw materials. Sure there's always a commodity orientation to the pricing there, but again, that's a company actually it's doing exceptionally well, continuing to grow, so I don't see any issue, any tie there to the energy sector.

David Gladstone

Analyst

Next question, please?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies.

Kyle Joseph

Analyst · Jefferies.

I just have one really left over. And so with the unrealized depreciation on the portfolio in the quarter, did you guys see similar performance in your portfolio to sort of the broader equity and credit market, sort of that the economy really started improving after February 11 or whatever the date was where markets really started reversing? And just, I also wanted to get your -- a little more color on what your thoughts on the broader economy as well?

Dave Dullum

Analyst · Jefferies.

Well, I think -- hey, Kyle. I'd say it's generally for us, given our uptick in the unrealized appreciation, I think it's more just again fundamental performance of our underlying portfolio companies. I would say clearly as you know, we still use outside services to help us establish values and we do that with different companies from quarter-to-quarter. So there is, obviously, some relative inputs from what's going on in the market. But I don't believe that we had significant, for instance, uptick in the EBITDA multiples that were used. It was more that we got an uptick in just the fundamental performance, which helps those values is how I'd address that. It might -- I'll give you my response, David Gladstone might have another 1, but from the -- looking through our portfolio of companies, as it relates to the economy, in general, I'd say it's kind of neutral to probably in some cases a slight improvement, but I would say nothing overwhelming, up or down, frankly. We're not seeing any major things around looking any significant upset, so to speak, and as I can tell it from our portfolio of companies at this point.

David Gladstone

Analyst · Jefferies.

We don't see anything in the economy that's giving us a lot of strong signals. On the other hand, we don't see any big negatives that are popping out, other than the 3 that I mentioned when I was going through my part of the -- if you look at our portfolio versus the S&P, the S&P has been driven pretty substantially by technology companies and we're not a tech investor, so we don't get quite that. So I think if it took tech out of the S&P and took it out of the economy, you'd see our portfolio is performing better than the remainder. I don't have any statistics to back that up, but that's just a guess.

Kyle Joseph

Analyst · Jefferies.

Got it. That's helpful. And then I know we have 1 transaction from when you guys sold 1 company in the quarter at an attractive gain. But can you give us an idea of sort of recent trends and middle market valuations as a whole? And sort of your outlook there?

Dave Dullum

Analyst · Jefferies.

Well, we continue, as Mickey asked correctly earlier, what did you pay for The Mountain? And what did we sell Acme for? And I'd say that good quality companies are definitely getting bigger multiples, certainly, when they're being sold. I think it's not unusual, on average, everything we're looking at might have a 7 multiple or an 8 multiple, we've seen some at a 10 multiple, as David Gladstone said, somewhat depending on the industry, so still pretty, I'd say, strong if you on the sell side. Therefore, obviously, on the buy side, it makes it tougher to buy things at 5x and 6x, but again, we can afford to be patient, careful how we do it, and that's where we are, so looking forward. I'm not hearing that it's necessarily going to get any easier, I do think one thing that we're starting to see a little bit, you might have a sense of this, is clearly the amount of leverage that is becoming available to the classic buyouts environment seems to be coming down a bit. That's, obviously, therefore, puts pressure either you got to put more equity in or, obviously, reduce the enterprise value and therefore the multiple. I think we may see a bit more of that, certainly in the $5 million to $7 million, $8 million EBITDA companies, where it's just harder to get the kind of cheaper leverage and therefore people getting a little more sensible on the multiple they're willing to pay.

David Gladstone

Analyst · Jefferies.

So thinking about our business again, there's 2 approaches here. First of all, small businesses have lower multiples when you buy them. And so we like the smaller ones. And then, we put in strong management, hopefully, and they build the growth of the company, either by just internal growth or buying other small businesses and merging them in, a sort of buy and build strategy. And of course, when they get to a certain size, there are other buyers out there that will look more favorably upon them in terms of the multiple they are willing to pay. So we get multiple expansion on what we put together. And that's the crux of the business here and it hasn't changed in the last 30 years, it still works that way. And the only time you get hurt is, when the multiples in a certain industry, perhaps, or multiples in general, just change dramatically, and that's usually during a recession. So very hard to exit during a recession and we need good economy in order to make our exits happen. But since we're not any -- in under any pressure to sell and pay back to investors, we can wait as long as we can make the dividend out of our ordinary income. Other questions, anybody else?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And I'm not showing any further questions. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to David.

David Gladstone

Analyst

All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate you all calling in. Wish we had more questions. We enjoy the question-and-answer session. And that's the end of this conference call. Thank you all.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.