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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2013 Genpact Limited Earnings Conference Call. My name is Derrick, and I will be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Bharani Bobba, Head of Investor Relations at Genpact. Please proceed.

Bharani Bobba

Analyst

Thank you, Derrick. Welcome to Genpact's earnings call to discuss our results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2013. We hope you've had a chance to review our earnings release, which you will also find in the IR section of our website, genpact.com. With me in New York this afternoon are Tiger Tyagarajan, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mohit Bhatia, our Chief Financial Officer. Our agenda for today is as follows. Tiger will begin with an overview of our results in the context of our long-term strategy with a perspective on the current environment, followed by Mohit, who will discuss our financial performance in greater detail. And then Tiger will have some closing comments. Finally, Tiger and Mohit will be available to take your questions. We expect the call to last about an hour. Please note that today, we are also including slides with our comments, which we hope will make our presentation easier to follow. You can find the slides on the webcast version of our call and you will be able to download them after the call is concluded. Some of the matters we will discuss today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements. Such risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, general economic conditions and those factors set forth in our press release and discussed under the Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings. Genpact assumes no obligation to update the information presented on this conference call. In our call today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide additional information for investors and better reflect the way management views the operating performance of the business. You can find the reconciliation of those measures to GAAP, as well as related information, in our earnings release in the IR section of our website, genpact.com. Please also refer to the investor fact sheet on the front page of the IR section of our website for further details on our results. With that, let me hand the call over to Tiger.

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan

Thank you, Bharani. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our earnings call today. Continuing our momentum in 2013, in the second quarter, Genpact delivered strong growth in revenues and adjusted operating income, as well as solid cash flows from operations. Second quarter revenues of $535 million increased 14% year-over-year, led by our Global Clients growth engine, which grew 20% in the quarter. Revenue growth was broad-based across industry verticals, led by Banking and Financial Services, Consumer Packaged Goods and Life Sciences and Healthcare. Momentum was also broad-based across most of our enterprise service offerings with continued strength in financial accounting, ITO and our core operations in Banking and Financial Services vertical. Growth in Smart Decision Services increased from last quarter as expected and we anticipate SDS growth will gradually accelerate over the remainder of the year. GE revenues declined by 1% year-over-year. This reflects the normal ebb and flow of our transactional activity with GE. We now expect total revenue from GE to be roughly flat for the year. Our relationship with GE, which is highly penetrated, continues to be strong as measured by our high NPS and the value we deliver to GE businesses. In the second quarter, adjusted operating income increased 15% year-over-year and adjusted operating income margin was 16.7%. We continue to expand relationships with existing clients in the second quarter across a range of our industry verticals. Clients representing $5 million to $15 million in annual revenue increased to 55 from 41. Clients in the $15 million to $25 million category increased to 14 from 11. And clients with more than $25 million in annual revenue increased to 12 from 10. This is evidence of our ability to grow relationships as we partner with clients to undertake transformational journeys and drive better…

Mohit Bhatia

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

Thank you, Tiger, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I will review our second quarter performance, followed by a summary of key highlights in the balance sheet and statements of cash flow. On a year-to-date basis, our revenues were $1.039 billion, up 15% compared to the first 6 months of 2012. Our adjusted operating income for the first 6 months of 2013 was $171.9 million, also up 15% compared to the same period last year, representing a margin of 16.6%, up 10 basis points. We closed the second quarter of 2013 with revenues of $534.8 million, an increase of 14.4% year-over-year and 6.1% sequentially. Revenues from Global Clients increased 20% year-over-year. Within Global Clients, business process management revenues increased 18%, while ITO revenues increased 25%. GE revenues declined 1%, with growth in ITO more than offset by a decline in business process management. Our overall business process management revenues increased 12%, within which Smart Decision Services grew 9%. Our overall IT services revenues increased 21%, driven by healthy growth in both Global Clients and GE, including the contribution from our February 2013 acquisition in JAWOOD. Adjusted income from operations totaled $89.2 million, an increase of $11.3 million from the prior year. This represents a margin of 16.7%, up from 16.6% in the second quarter of 2012. Our gross profit for the quarter totaled $202 million, representing a gross margin of 37.8% compared to 39% last year. This margin decline was less than expected, with rate inflation, foreign exchange and recent acquisitions offset by operating efficiencies. SG&A expenses totaled $118 million, representing 22.1% of revenue, an improvement of 230 basis points from 24.4% or $114 million in the second quarter of last year. The improvement was driven by better utilization of resources and technology and phasing of our investment towards the second…

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan

Thank you, Mohit. In closing, Genpact helps clients navigate economic and secular change. Our clients continue to face uncertainty that is forcing them to demand better returns on investment, develop more competitive insights and rethink their business models while they drive growth. In order to best serve them and our shareholders, we continue to focus on 4 things: first, we are excited about what we believe is a considerable run rate for growth and our positional strength in our core Global Clients business process management market; second, we continue to refine and evolve our growth strategy with increasing focus on those opportunities and vertical markets, where the growth potential and our competitive advantages are clear; third, we are strategically investing to provide clients in our targeted industry verticals with a differentiated and integrated capabilities, insights and services that will enable them to transform and run their business processes and operations better; and finally, our relentless focus on operational excellence drives measurable business outcomes and high client satisfaction levels, as measured by industry-leading Net Promoter Scores. To sum it up, our goal is to provide world-class services to our clients and to drive sustainable profitable growth and value for our shareholders. Lastly, I want to provide you with an update on our outlook for 2013. The macro environment continues to be mixed, challenging for some industries and geographies, improving in others. Our pipeline is healthy and stable with a significant uptick in larger deals. Large, transformational engagements are where we want to be, but they are complex and do have a longer decision cycle time. As a result of these longer cycle times, together with more subdued GE revenues, we now expect revenues for the full year 2013 to be in the lower half of our range of $2.15 billion to $2.2 billion. We continue to expect adjusted operating income margin in the range of 15.8% to 16.3%. I will now hand the call back to Bharani.

Bharani Bobba

Analyst

Thank you, Tiger. We'd like to open up for Q&A at this time. Operator, can you give the instructions?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from the line of Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan. Tien-Tsin T. Huang - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Just wanted to ask first about just GE, maybe just what specifically changed since last quarter, your comments around things being subdued there. It sounds like just BPM. Can you just elaborate?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan

Tien-Tsin, the first part of the answer is that it's regular ebb and flow as we go quarter by quarter and through a year. If you look at our GE growth over the years, it's been always around the very low single digits. A couple of years back, we had a couple of quarters where we had similar ebb and flow. We are so penetrated with the GE businesses that transactional activity, our transactional activity is also a reflection of GE's own transactional activities. GE Capital's balance sheet continues to shrink and there is clear discretionary expense focus in the GE businesses. Our relationship, as I said, continues to be really strong. Our Net Promoter Scores are actually, again, at a historic high this year. And the good thing about discretionary expense focus with GE is that over the medium and longer term, it comes back as new business opportunities that we can talk to GE about. So in the context of transactional activity, GE Capital balance sheet and discretionary spends, we now think that the GE revenue for the year will be more around the flat mark. Tien-Tsin T. Huang - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay. So just normal volatility, no share loss, obviously, with the high NPS score. Is that a fair summary?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan

Yes. Absolutely right, Tien-Tsin. Tien-Tsin T. Huang - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay. I just wanted to make sure, Tiger. It's helpful. Just one more follow-up, if you don't mind. These decision cycle times on the larger deals, I heard that, but has it changed in the last 3 months? I heard you say it's stable and healthy, but has the cycle times changed in the last 3 months? Is that the difference in the commentary?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan

No, so here is the way I would articulate that. Larger deals tend to be more complex and have always taken longer decision cycle times. I would pick 12 to 18 months as long decision cycle times on larger deals. The proportion of larger deals in our pipeline is much higher now than before. And it's truly a reflection of the clear signs of our sales investment now leading to large-deal pipeline growth in the industries and the domain areas that we have aligned our sales team to as we recruited them over the last 18 months. So that segment of our pipeline, obviously, will take longer for decision cycle times because they often go to board levels given the nature and the complexity of these change in management and transformational programs. The overall cycle time in the broad industry, from our perspective, hasn't changed.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank.

Ashish Sabadra - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

This is Ashish Sabadra calling on behalf of Bryan. I was wondering if you can give the organic growth in the ITO business, excluding the JAWOOD acquisition. And also, last quarter, you highlighted strength in IT business for healthcare, capital market and insurance verticals. I was wondering if those are still the growth drivers. And if you can give some color on the sustainability of these accelerated growth rates.

Mohit Bhatia

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

So for the ITO business, if you would exclude the acquisition, our organic growth rate, Ashish, would be 8% to 9%.

Ashish Sabadra - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

And comments on the growth driver and the sustainability of the growth in those verticals?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

Yes, so let me take that, Ashish. So clearly -- let's start at capital markets. It's one of the verticals where we have seen these large transformational big deals. And they are significant IT combined with back office process transformational engagements, exactly what we thought the industry would go through as it undergoes major transformation with the secular change. We're seeing different but similar changes in the healthcare segment, where with our JAWOOD acquisition, our ability to take some of those capabilities to our healthcare payer market, we are beginning to now take them there. Those are early days because that acquisition is more recent. So we continue to see strong pipeline in the capital markets vertical and technology in the healthcare vertical, as well as, as you rightly pointed out, in insurance. So those continue be and they are some of the areas that we are actually focusing a lot of energies on.

Ashish Sabadra - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

That's great. One quick follow-up, if I can. The attrition that came in slightly higher and the number of employees remain unchanged from the end of last year. I believe you mentioned on the call that there are plans to hire employees through the rest of the year, but I was just wondering if you could provide any color on attrition and plans for hiring through the rest of the year.

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Bryan Keane, Deutsche Bank

So one, attrition, second quarter is always higher in general across the 4 quarters for obvious reasons. Because, particularly in India, the end of the first quarter and the beginning of the second quarter is when annual bonus payments go out. And this is industry-wide phenomenon. So we are not surprised with the general trend quarter-to-quarter. In any case, I think, again, on attrition, quarter-to-quarter monitoring is not something that we focus too much of our energies on. We like what we see in our overall employee base. The extent to which they are engaged is reflected in the Net Promoter Score from our clients. Both GE and Global Clients is at our new historic high. We tend to promote a lot of people through training and domain expertise. So we feel very good about our industry-leading attrition rate for the types of services that we offer.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Paul Thomas, Goldman Sachs.

Paul B. Thomas - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Paul Thomas, Goldman Sachs

I guess just following up on the guidance question from earlier, can you just talk a little more there about what's not materializing in the second half that you were anticipating? Because it sounds like SDS did pretty well returning to growth. So was there a little more push-out, I guess, in terms of these large deals, or is it a little more volatility expected in the second half from GE? Can you just talk a little bit more about what's not coming together in the second half right now?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Paul Thomas, Goldman Sachs

So Paul, we'll start with GE, where I think clearly, our expectation now for the year is more subdued than we had originally thought and planned. And given the size of the relationship, that does make some difference. And second, in terms of larger deals, yes, larger dealers do tend to be, one, more complex. They're also complex because they are definitely global, so they are typically not American and European and they are global. Three, they tend to bring together multiple service lines and therefore, add complexity. And fourth, decision-making goes right up to the board. So our ability to exactly pin down decision cycle times and exact decision-making on some of these large transformative engagements is much less than it is on more flow-type of business. And as I said, we have a much larger proportion of large deals, again, a reflection of all our sales investments that we did. The final point I do want to make and this won't come as a surprise, Paul, is that we do have a meaningful business that serves the mortgage origination market. It's not very big, but it's there. And particularly, in the second quarter, we started seeing softness, that is not a surprise in the U.S. market, around refinance and the volumes around refinance. And a lot of that volume gets processed through our origination business. So some of that is also flowing through into our outlook for the third and the fourth quarter.

Paul B. Thomas - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Paul Thomas, Goldman Sachs

Okay. That's helpful color. And then I guess maybe just one follow-up on SDS. I think you did say, Mohit, that it was a 9% growth. How are the ramp-downs you were anticipating progressing? Are we going to have those all behind us at the end of 3Q?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Paul Thomas, Goldman Sachs

So I didn't answer the SDS part of your question earlier. So we are seeing growth come back into SDS as we had planned, but remember, this is growth coming back into single digits and then we'll ramp through the year. And the ramp through the year is a reflection of some of the deletions and the work moving back that we talked about last quarter getting completed. But really, the impact of that will fully be felt only next year as we finish the full year. Because the year-to-year comparisons will still show some of that volume having gone away in a couple of those clients where that volume went back into their own operations.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas.

Arvind A. Ramnani - BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst · Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas

Just a couple of questions. Were there any specific clients, I mean, other than GE, or segments where you saw soft demand? Or was it kind of lowering your guidance more due to sort of overall weakness across your accounts?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas

No, I think it is -- I think we talked about 3 things, Arvind, particularly in the context of the full year. We did start seeing GE and the transactional activity around both GE Capital and some of the industrial businesses. And that's part of the -- partly reflected beyond quarter 2 into quarter 3 and quarter 4. The mortgage business, as I talked about in terms of origination, we started seeing that probably around May of this year. And we see that continuing into Q3 and Q4. And the large deal one is more a reflection of Q3 and Q4, where we think that some of those deals will take longer to close just in the nature. But that's a good thing to have because you really want to deal with those complex situations because we do think we are very differentiated in those conversations.

Arvind A. Ramnani - BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst · Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas

But some of these large deals -- I mean, this is probably a pretty evolved, powerful strategy. I mean, it wasn't like, suddenly, you decided to focus on these large deals. So I mean, is it kind of really fair to say that's what caused you to adjust your estimates?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas

No, I agree. So that's why I would call out the first 2. But the third is not insignificant, Arvind. While we had planned for more large deals, given our sales investments, I think we are very pleased with the extent to which it spiked up. We also, obviously, anticipated a certain pace of closure. And that closure is taking its fair time. And one, the number of such large deals in our pipeline in proportion is higher; and two, they are taking its full time.

Arvind A. Ramnani - BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst · Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas

Right. And just one last thing for me. These larger deals typically kind of have lower margins. So is there a chance, like, a year from now, we may have to revisit your margins? Or are you being pretty firm in negotiating pricing and making sure margins don't get impacted?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Arvind Ramnani, BNP Paribas

So, Arvind, I wouldn't necessity characterize large deals as being low-margin. I wouldn't necessarily agree. Which is why -- the large deals that we are talking about are complex, they tend to have multiple service lines pulled together for us. It is deep vertical. Our finance and accounting are procurement-type horizontal enterprise-level process, understanding with the underlying technology often wrapped in, particularly in verticals and horizontals that we have become very good at in wrapping technology around. And analytical insights and data insights. When you pull those together, one, they tend to get more complex; two, they tend to have much more differentiated value propositions that, obviously, drives much better value for clients and, therefore, commands the kind of right price and margin. So don't expect large deals to, therefore, mean lower margins.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of Edward Caso, Wells Fargo.

Richard Eskelsen - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Edward Caso, Wells Fargo

It's actually Rick Eskelsen on for Ed. A question actually here on the investments that you're making in the sales and marketing. Can you just give us an update here on the deal win trends? And also, with the domain-focused investments in particular, are you seeing an increase in the volume of sole-source deals that you're able to now source?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Edward Caso, Wells Fargo

The first part of the question, as we do our sales investments, clearly, we are seeing more domain-like conversations, which is why a lot of our transformative deals are in exactly the areas where we made the sales and domain investments. Our pipeline growth in the U.S. and in Europe, our pipeline growth in verticals such as banking, insurance, capital markets, life sciences, CPG, industrial machinery, are all the verticals that we have made those investments. We think we still have a runway to go in terms of making those investments. And these are still early days of those investments beginning to pay off in terms of pipeline growth. We obviously need to win our fair share of that pipeline. Our win rates continue to be steady in that competitive environment across the different verticals and across the different service lines. Clearly, our win rates are lower when it comes to technology, which is much more competitive. On the analytics and BPM side, they tend to be higher. When it gets to mining and working with existing clients who know us well, they tend to be hard. But the overall trajectory of that is very similar to what it has been. On the question around -- your second question was around sole source. I think it takes time to build a sole-source relationship in this competitive environment. As you know, we compete often with Accenture, IBM, Capgemini and large competitive players in the space and they have deep relationships right up to senior-most levels and organizations. It will take us time to build those relationships to be able to command sole-source discussions. I can tell you that as we build our relationships with clients, they do tend to be sole-source value propositions. These are large corporations. They will still tend to run some sort of competitive environment, but obviously, we are deep inside, we know the landscape better, so that puts us in a great position.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Rahul Bhangare, William Blair. Rahul S. Bhangare - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: I just had a question on the competitive environment, in particular, on these transformational deals. Are you seeing the same players, or are you increasingly seeing some of the IT players?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Rahul Bhangare, William Blair

Actually, that will be continue to see the same players in the specific spaces that we have seen them. So in large global enterprise service type deals, it continues to be the global majors in, specifically, vertical-focused deals. An example would be the insurance vertical. We tend to see people who've been focused on that vertical. In financial services, we tend to see some of the IT, Indian IT players, who have built capabilities around the financial services vertical in the BPM space. That hasn't changed much because the value proposition around these large, complex deals tend to be a lot of proof points, a lot of value creation that you can demonstrate and the ability to really show domain expertise and process expertise and analytical skills apart from an understanding of the technology platform.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Manish Hemrajani from Oppenheimer.

Kunal Doctor

Analyst · Manish Hemrajani from Oppenheimer

This is Kunal Doctor on behalf of Manish Hemrajani. The demand within BFSI has picked up a bit. Can you break it down into components where, specifically, you guys have seen strength in the vertical?

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Manish Hemrajani from Oppenheimer

Yes, so the way I would respond to that is clearly, the regulatory environment is such that a number of banking, financial services clients, particularly in the consumer and commercial banking space -- and not just in the U.S. but also in Europe, in Australia -- have much more work that needs to be done to comply with regulations, to do regulatory reporting. And all of that tends to be more work that needs to be done, more work that needs to be done in quick order. And that has been one of the drivers of our pipeline and growth in the BFSI vertical. On the insurance side, I think it's continued penetration of what is clearly an under-penetrated market. Particularly if you look at property and casualty, for example, as an industry vertical. Capital markets is a very different story. It's been on a big transformational agenda for some time now. That is beginning to populate the pipeline in terms of large transformational deals that I talked about, so it's a really different story. But different drivers in some of those verticals.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi

So I guess my question is what portion of your pipeline is the larger, more complex deals where decision-making is slow? And the reason I asked is when I look at sort of my previous number, I put in 0% GE growth, I put in some slowdown for the mortgage origination, I am kind of at the upper end of your new range. So I'm trying to get to what the real impact is from some of these slow decisions.

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi

Yes, so the way I would characterize our pipeline is on the larger deals, and we'll talk about larger deals in the context of $10 million annual contract value, our pipeline has doubled. And that's a significant material change given that a lot of that is around the BPM space, with technology and analytics wrapped around it.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi

So it has doubled in what time frame, Tiger? Sorry.

N. V. Tyagarajan

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi

In the last 2 quarters. As you can imagine, typically, like any other pipeline, discussions progress to various stages in the pipeline. And the stage at which we are now seeing, it's in their -- in real discussions fully qualified. I mean, that portion has doubled.

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi

Got it, got it. And Mohit, I guess you said higher cash flow expectations than before. I guess to what extent is this? Because some of these decisions here got pushed out, so maybe your investment that you might need to make gets pushed out to later in the year or next year.

Mohit Bhatia

Analyst · Ashwin Shirvaikar, Citi

So cash flow from operations for the full year, Ashwin, like I had mentioned, we had initially forecasted closing the year at 10% to 15% lower cash flow from operations as compared to 2012. We now feel that, that 10% to 15% is more like 5% to 10%, so that's a reasonable improvement over what I mentioned in the last quarter on cash flow from operations. While you're right that to a certain extent, with slightly lower revenue, I have lesser investment to make on receivables, but do bear in mind that this also takes into account a slew of investments that we have, in fact, planned for the second half of the year. So there are many puts and takes, but we're very happy from, where I see it, in terms of our new forecast of cash flow from operations for the year.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, ladies and gentlemen, we have no further questions in queue. That will conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. And you may all now disconnect and have a wonderful day.