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Fulton Financial Corporation (FULT)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 22, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fulton Financial Announces Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Laura Wakeley, Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications.

Laura Wakeley

Management

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for FFC's conference call and webcast to discuss our earnings for the second quarter. Your host for today’s conference call is Phil Wenger, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Fulton Financial Corporation. Joining Phil is Pat Barrett, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our comments today will refer to the financial information and related slide presentation included with our earnings announcement, which we released at 4:30 yesterday afternoon. These documents can be found on our website at fult.com by clicking on Investor Relations and then on News. The slides can also be found on the Presentations page under Investor Relations on our website. On this call, representatives of Fulton may make forward-looking statements with respect to Fulton’s financial condition, results of operations and business. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors some of which are beyond Fulton’s control and difficult to predict and which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or forecasted in the forward-looking statements. Fulton undertakes no obligation, other than required by law, to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In our earnings release, we’ve included our Safe Harbor statement on forward-looking statements, and we refer you to this section, and we incorporate it into today’s presentation. For a more complete discussion of certain risks and uncertainties affecting Fulton, please see the sections entitled Risk Factors and Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations set forth in our filings with the SEC. In discussing our performance, representatives of Fulton may make reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the supplemental information included with Fulton’s earnings announcement released yesterday for a reconciliation of those non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures. Now I’d like to turn the call over to your host, Phil Wenger.

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Thank you, Laura. Good morning and thanks everyone for joining us to discuss our second quarter performance. After I share my prepared remarks, our Chief Financial Officer, Pat Barrett will provide details surrounding the quarter. Then, we will be happy to take your questions. We will refer to our slide presentation throughout our discussion. Comparisons are to linked quarter unless noted otherwise. Our cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements is on Slide #2. Turning to Slide #3, second quarter highlights, we reported diluted per share earnings of $0.21. We saw $310 million linked quarter increase in combined ending loans and investments. Core deposits increased as well as non-interest income. Other expenses were flat. We will look more closely at all these areas and others throughout the call. Our second quarter return on average assets was 0.86% and our return on average tangible equity was 9.83%. In the credit area, we saw moderate average loan growth linked quarter led by our Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Maryland markets. We were pleased with our C&I and construction loan growth. Overall, loan growth was slightly offset by lower average home equity and residential mortgage balances. Average loans were up 3.1% in the second quarter of 2015 as compared to the same period in 2014. Loan growth was tempered as a result of $50 million in loan payoffs or pay downs of criticized and classified loans. Our loan pipeline at the end of the second quarter exceeded levels at the end of March, 2015, and at the end of June, 2014. We feel good about this momentum as we enter the second half of the year. However, competition for quality credits is intense exerting pressure on earning asset yields. The loan loss provision increased as in the prior quarter we had recorded a negative loan loss…

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Phil, and good morning to everyone on the call. Unless I note otherwise, quarterly comparisons are with the first quarter of 2015. Starting on Slide 4, as Phil noted, earnings per diluted share this quarter were $0.21 on net income of $37 million, which decreased $3.4 million or 8.4% from the prior quarter. Earnings per diluted share decreased by $0.01 or 4.5% from the first quarter and were unchanged from the second quarter of 2014. The decrease in earnings reflected a decrease in net interest income, $5.9 million increase in loan loss provision, and a decrease in securities gain partially offset by an increase in non-interest income. Moving to Slide 5, and as previously noted, our net interest income declined $661,000 or 0.5% driven by the 7 basis point decrease in net interest margin. The yield on average earning assets declined 9 basis points while the cost of average interest-bearing liabilities decreased 3 basis points. Average interest-earning assets increased $97 million or 0.6% due to growth in average loans. The 9 basis point decrease in earning asset yields was driven by lower loan yields and lower interest income on investments. In addition, the first quarter of 2015 included a $1.2 million special dividend on FHLB stock that increased average yield's net interest margin by approximately 3 basis points. Average interest-bearing liabilities remain flat in the second quarter while our average cost of interest-bearing liabilities decreased 3 basis points. The average cost of deposits remains unchanged at 41 basis points while the average cost of long-term debt decreased 5 basis points reflecting the impact of the maturity of $100 million of subordinated debt in April. As previously discussed, in June, we issued $150 million of subordinated debt on the redemption of trust preferred securities. Second quarter impact of this issuance…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll go to Frank Schiraldi with Sandler O'Neill.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

Just a couple of questions. First, I think in the past you guys have talked about the difficulty of holding of floors on the C&I side. I’m wondering is that the case if that’s still playing out and does that perhaps better position you – better position Fulton for even a small move in the lower end of the yield curve?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Frank, I believe that our total loans at the floors at the end of the first quarter was between $3.3 billion and $3.4 billion, somewhere in that range, and at the end of the second quarter that number was down to roughly $3 billion. So it is dropping each quarter but at a fairly slow pace.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful thanks. And then, sorry, if I missed it Pat, but in terms of the NIM guidance for the remainder of the year, what does that bake in for -- what does that bake in in terms of interest rate hikes?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Well, as far as the impact on margin essentially nothing, so we wouldn’t expect interest rates, short term interest rate and we’re modeling now to move up until right at the end of the year or possibly early 2016, it would be great if it moved up earlier and talked about loan floors, we still have 50 plus basis points of differential on the $3 billion of loans that are floors. So even a 25 basis point hike will begin to have an impact on those and certainly will start to have an impact on the origination yields as well.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just thinking about strategy going forward, you talked about getting BSA compliance behind you, in terms of 2016 does M&A once BSA/AML is sort of upgraded and does that sort of - does M&A move a lot higher in terms of your list of priorities or do you think you still – is there still stuff you’re focused on internally that maybe pushes that still to the back burner?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

I believe, Frank, that it will push that higher as we go through 2016 and get released from the orders, yes.

Operator

Operator

We’ll go to Chris McGratty with Keefe Bruyette and Woods.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Pat, on the margins got a question given the low floor commentary. Maybe if you could kind of elaborate on how you’re thinking about the transition from margin degradation to stabilization given the floors, is that something if we get a hike in the back half of the year, closer to year end, that we see the first half of next year kind of stable or is it kind of an immediate benefit by your estimation?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

I hate to put predictions out there on margin percentage because there is so many disparate unrelated things that could happen to the numerator and the denominator. I think from a dollar perspective we really hope to see before margin rate inflection occurs that our dollars will start to grow again of net interest income instead of continuing to be compressed in each quarter, and we’re hoping that we’ve reached that level as we were exiting the second quarter. We actually saw our dollar compression stabilize towards the end of the quarter. From a rate compression perspective, I think that even with a rate hike there would be bit of a lag and we wouldn’t see an immediate same quarter positive impact.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you. And just on the guidance on the seasonal expenses it just seems like non-recurring - is the updated expense guidance potentially come out to like 1.17, 1.18 run rate to back half of the year, I just want to make sure that I got all the adjustments and then the fees be kind of 44, 45?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So on expenses, if you just annualize the first half of the year and the second half of the year excluding the debt extinguishment costs we’d see expenses going up by 3%, which would be the high end of the low single-digit guidance range and we’ve got an extra day in the second half we have to fight against. We have persistently high levels of platform investment, outside services cost and certainly higher salary benefits cost that are not -- that they're sort of in our run rate. We're going to do everything we can to work on each of those line items, but I think you should take note that we said excluding the $5.6 million we’re sticking with our low single-digit guidance range and you should infer that including that we might be a little outside that range.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. The last question is actually the [indiscernible] deal is closing about a week. Can you talk about any opportunities that have kind of presented themselves to-date or how you think about opportunity?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

So I think, we’ve indicated all along that we felt we’d be able to pick up some customers and some employees and I think we still feel that way.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

We’ll go next to Bob Ramsey with FBR Capital Markets.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Hi, I just wondered if you could help me revisit sort of the $6.5 million of run rate expense savings from the first half initiatives, how much of that was already in the second quarter expenses?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Bob, about -- let me see, say about $0.5 million of one-time expense and $900,000 of ongoing benefit and that will reach a steady state for the most part on benefit in Q3 for about $1.6 million. We would expect an extra an additional $700,000 of run rate savings in Q3 versus Q2. We will, as Phil mentioned, have a couple of $100,000, $200,000 of one-time expense because a couple of our branches we aren’t actually closing till - now this month.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Okay.

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

You’ll see a clean - Q4 will be clean of all one-times and should be a steady stay at $1.63 million run rate of benefit.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Okay, got it. That’s helpful.

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Just to be clear that’s the savings from the branch. As far as the employee benefits, I believe most of that has already been baked in.

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Absolutely.

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Yes.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Okay. And then I was hoping if you could talk a little bit about fee income. Obviously, you do you have some strength in several buckets, overdraft fees, debit, merchant swap income. Just curious if how you’re thinking about those quarter kind of what drove the strength? Next quarter, do you continue to build on these levels or was there anything I don’t know how much exactly these commercial swaps, was there anything lumpy that maybe you pull back next quarter, how you’re thinking about the fees?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

So part of its seasonal and we expect that seasonality to continue this quarter in a positive light. So much of the fee income growth rate is going to be dependent on mortgage volumes and it’s really early to tell the quarter how that’s going to play out.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Okay. But as far as swap fees and overdraft I mean all that basically nothing other than seasonality, it’s pretty straightforward?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

I think so, yes. We think so.

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

And I would just add to that that I think that we’ve been experiencing the compression on service charges particularly overdraft fees for such a long time that it gets hard. We’re very reluctant to call a trend after one quarter nice pick up and it’s even hard to call it seasonal given that we’ve been compressing so many quarters.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. And I think someone asked you if sort of thinking about the run rate in the back half of the year of $44 million to $45 million is in the right ballpark. I guess I know you all have given sort of full year guidance but not exactly clear on sort of what's in the starting point with or without security gains et cetera, and so I was kind of curious if that ball park seems right to you?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

We had $165 million last year in run rate, we’re guiding towards a mid to high single digit and I think 5% to 8% increase in our original annual outlook and we’re dialing that back to low to mid single-digit I think 3% to 5%, and that’s for full year where you can back out the $85 million that we’ve already printed this year and come up with an estimate on the remaining two quarters but it’s actually a little bit lower than the second quarter actual $44 million. And that's how I get through the math and we will update you in the third quarter.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

That is helpful and sort of getting me to what the guidance actually means, okay. And then I guess last question and I’ll hop out but you did bring the allowances of loans ratio down a bit this quarter. I think in the past you’ve talked about continuing to sort of had that ratio trickle lower by I remember you said maybe three or five bps quarter and definitely seem to be some pickup there just kind of curious there how you’re thinking about allowance of loans today and sort of what pace maybe if quite it remains on the trajectory a day you can continue to bring that allowance down?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

So we’re still higher than our peers but we’re getting closer and I think there is room for some reduction but it’s the amount of reduction is going to slow.

Bob Ramsey

Analyst

Okay. When you say it is slowed you mean from kind of the three to five basis points you guys were doing or from the sort of bigger step down I think you almost had in this quarter?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Well definitely from the bigger step down we had this quarter.

Operator

Operator

We’ll go to Casey Haire with Jefferies.

Casey Haire

Analyst

Just want to follow-up on the expenses. It sounds like you guys got a little more than half of your cost saves in this quarter, I’m just curious why we’re – we’re not really seeing it, you see if we look at expenses year-over-year that salary and occupancy line is actually up year-over-year and the revenue comp comparatively is down, so I’m just why are we not -- why we’re not seeing it show up as meaningful leverage?

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Well I think our guidance from the beginning of the year would have indicated that the savings that we’re going to have, we are investing in other places in the company or I think that’s simple way to say what’s happening. I think our bias is as much more expensive platform, we’re trying to find ways to rationalize our expense to help mitigate that versus we’re creating cost saves, bringing expenses down and then deciding whether to invest. Does makes sense? So lot of people we hired over the last two years are continuing to hire different jobs and roles and higher levels and higher cost levels than the jobs that we’re eliminating as we rationalize unprofitable branches. But it’s not an easy dollar for dollar trade.

Casey Haire

Analyst

Understood, understood. Then just switching margins obviously the securities yields took a big hit this quarter, we all knew about the FHLB special dividend, I was wondering was there a premium amortization sort of headwind this quarter that you didn’t see coming I’m just and what is if so why would that not be a tailwind going forward given where we are with rates and just what is the biggest headwind to the margin going forward; is it loans, securities some color there please?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Sure. So the biggest I’ll make one comment and then Pat can finish. The biggest headwind is loan yields and I would say in that regard a larger percentage of our production right now is going on floating rates than has in the past and various yields.

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Just expand on that, I think we’ve been tracking to about 50 basis point gap between new originations and loan roll offs for the last several quarters; this quarter it was closer to 70 basis points, but that doesn’t show up in NIM. It takes a long time for one quarter's net origination to roll through the average loan yields to make the difference but over time it does definitely create challenges. And I would say that just to, Casey, go back to your sort of initial entry point on the investment securities yields it was not driven by amortization. There were seven or eight different drivers that affected that and the largest one did not even round to 1 basis point but it was actually repricing and contracting yields on municipals and our auction rate securities that were probably the two bigger drives but that was just the range of other small cash flow related things. Well we did towards the latter half of the quarter, actually throughout the quarter we were sort of reinvesting some of our excess liquidity and building backups in our excess -- turning our excess cash into securities both MBS and CMOs we were investing I think $300 million of ending balance increase that we will see filter into the yields going forward because we are definitely investing at lower yields than the average probably I think closer to 2% versus our yield of 2.5%.

Casey Haire

Analyst

Okay, great. And just last one from me on the capital front you guys got a pretty decent size chunk of the other buyback done this quarter and yet TCE ratio has held pretty stable, and based on sort of the asset growth forecast that you guys are talking about we not kind of see much degradation in that TCE ratio. I was wondering would that prompt you to adopt a more aggressive capital management policy?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Well we’re going to get through the repurchase program that we have now and then our board will talk about how we want to move forward and lot of that will depend on how the BSA is progressing and when we can start getting in the acquisition again and again. So I think there is just a whole lot of factors that are kind of up in the air right now.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We’ll go to David Darst with Guggenheim Securities.

David Darst

Analyst

As you discussed the investments you’re making to build a more expensive platform I guess the word used, is there a long list of more investments you need to make over the next two to three years or where you get to a point where some of these projects are done, you will be able to roll into the next project and then limit expense growth and maybe get back to some lower efficiency ratio?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Hi David, we think we’re well on our way to really completing most of the initiatives we have going.

David Darst

Analyst

And so maybe three quarters left or you think you will get operating leverage sooner than that?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Well our first goal is to get operating leverage because our revenues are growing and I think we’re getting closer to that with if we can continue to grow loans and have that decrease in margin happen at a lower rate we can start growing revenues. And if we do that and hold expenses constant we will have positive operating leverage.

David Darst

Analyst

Okay. And then --

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Go ahead.

David Darst

Analyst

I’m sorry, you can finish.

Phil Wenger

Chairman

I’ve got to say but we also think that we will have built a framework for and that would support an institution larger than what we are so…

David Darst

Analyst

And then with the $50 million, I think pay offs you said that were criticized and classified was that strategic on your part or did those materialize?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Well, I think that most of those folks were able to find better deals someplace else and strategically we made the decision to let them go.

David Darst

Analyst

Okay and then…

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

It wasn’t a result of sales or anything of that sort.

David Darst

Analyst

Right, okay and then just you’re thinking about your current pipelines, how do you see the construction portfolio trending over the next year that is still something that should be a pretty good contributor to growth?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

It should be yes.

David Darst

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go to Matthew Breese with Piper Jaffray.

Matt Kelley

Analyst

Hi guys. This is actually Matt Kelley. Just a question what had you noticed on deposit pricing in your markets throughout the quarter, compared to what we’re seeing over the winter fall of last year any changes at all in the competitive environment and what some folks are offering or promotional high balanced money markets type stuff or anything like that?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

I would say at this point, we’ve seen very little change, deposit pricing.

Matt Kelley

Analyst

Okay.

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

And I imagine people are experiencing the same thing we are what used to be the seasonal influence of Q1 and Q3, don’t all flow back out again in Q2 and Q4. The liquidity levels just keep rising without really having to get out and compete in our markets anyway.

Matt Kelley

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then on deposit service fees overdraft have you made any changes recently to your consumer deposit pricing metrics or overdraft charges or anything different there that might be driving some of the changes that we saw during the second quarter?

Phil Wenger

Chairman

We’ve had no changes in pricing.

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

Yes.

Phil Wenger

Chairman

But we've --

Pat Barrett

Chief Financial Officer

I have mentioned it earlier we really had seen probably much more compression and decline in those charges over the last two years than a lot of other banks have. I think this hopefully this will represent little bit of turning point those kind of hesitate to call it seasonal or not. I think to be great to get another quarter under our belt and then may be talk about, what forced these trends.

Matt Kelley

Analyst

Okay. Got it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude today's question-and-answer session. Mr. Wenger, at this time, I'd like to turn the conference back over to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Phil Wenger

Chairman

Well, thank you all for joining us today and we hope you will be able to be with us when we discuss third quarter results in October.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.