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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and thank you for your patience. You joined the ITC Holdings Corporation Third Quarter Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. (Operator Instructions) As a remainder, this conference maybe recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Ms. Gretchen Holloway. Ma’am, you may begin.

Gretchen Holloway - Director, Investor Relations

Management

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for ITC’s 2013 third quarter earnings conference call. Joining me on today’s call is Joseph Welch, Chairman, President and CEO of ITC and Cameron Bready, our Executive Vice President and CFO. This morning, we issued a press release summarizing our results for the quarter and for the nine months ended September 30, 2013. We expect to file our Form 10-Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission today. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone of the cautionary language contained in the Safe Harbor statement. Certain statements made during today’s call that are not historical facts such as those regarding our future plans, objectives and expected performance reflects forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. While we believe these statements are reasonable, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from our projections and expectations. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in our reports filed with the SEC such as our periodic reports on Forms 10-Q and 10-K and our other SEC filings. You should consider these risk factors when evaluating our forward-looking statements. Our forward-looking statements represent our outlook only as of today and we disclaim any obligation to update these statements except as maybe required by law. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures discussed on today’s call is available on the Investor Relations page of our website. In addition, ITC filed a registration statement on Form S-4 with the SEC to register shares of ITC common stock to be issued to shareholders of Entergy Corporation in connection with the proposed transaction with Entergy Corporation previously announced on December 5, 2011. This registration statement was declared effective by the SEC on February 25, 2013. ITC expects to file a post effective amendment to this registration statement. Investors are urged to read the prospectus included in the ITC registration statement and the post effective amendment to the ITC registration statement when available as well as any other relevant documents, because they contain important information about the proposed transaction. The registration statement, perspectives and other documents relating to the proposed transaction can be obtained free of charge from the SEC website at www.sec.gov when they are available. These documents can also be obtained free of charge upon written request to ITC or Entergy. I will now turn the call over to Joe Welch.

Joseph Welch - Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Thank you, Gretchen and good morning everyone. I will start today by noting that our prepared comments will be relatively brief this morning given that we have provided a very comprehensive update on the business during our second quarter earnings call. And there have been few significant updates since then. Much of my time today will be focused on transaction-related updates. As we approach the end of the year and reflect back on what has transpired thus far, it is certainly fair to characterize 2013 as a demanding year for our company. We have continued to balance our key strategic objectives of executing on our standalone business initiatives and ensuring that the core business remains well positioned to deliver on our commitments going forward, while we also are advancing our transaction with Entergy towards a successful closing. Both of these objectives have presented many challenges for us to grapple with during the course of the year, but I remain very pleased with how our organization has responded to these challenges and persevered while remaining focused on advancing initiatives that serve to deliver value to our customers and our shareholders. From a standalone business perspective, our performance thus far has positioned us well to meet our overall operational and financial objectives for the year. We have worked hard to catch up on our capital plans from a slower than anticipated pace during the first half of the year largely due to weather-related issues and have essentially managed to meet our year-to-date budget targets by the end of September. In addition, I am pleased to announce that at of September we placed the first phase of the Thumb Loop project into service on time and on budget. This project will strengthen the transmission grid in the Thumb region of Michigan and will…

Cameron Bready - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Management

Thanks, Joe and good morning everyone. For the third quarter of 2013, ITC reported net income of $59 million, or $1.12 per share as compared to $51.2 million, or $0.98 per share for the third quarter of 2012. Reported net income for the nine months ended September 30, 2013 was $156.6 million, or $2.96 per share compared to $139.6 million or $2.68 per share for the same period last year. Operating earnings for the third quarter were $66.5 million, or $1.26 per share compared to $56.1 million or $1.07 per share for the third quarter of 2012. For the nine months ended September 30, 2013, operating earnings were $188.6 million or $3.57 per share compared to $159.5 million or $3.05 per share for the same period last year. Our operating earnings are a non-GAAP measure, which currently exclude the following items. First, after-tax expenses associated with Entergy transaction of approximately $7.5 million, or $0.14 per share and $5 million or $0.09 per share for the third quarter of 2013 and 2012 respectively. These expenses totaled $31.9 million, or $0.61 per share and $11.6 million, or $0.21 per share for the nine months ended September 30, 2013 and 2012 respectively. Operating earnings also exclude after-tax expenses related to an estimated refund liability of approximately $0.1 million for the third quarter 2013 associated with certain acquisition accounting adjustments for ITC Midwest, ITC Transmission and METC resulting from the FERC audit order on ITC Midwest issued in May 2012. Amounts recorded associated with this matter totaled $0.2 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2013 and $8.3 million, or $0.16 per share for the same period last year. Operating earnings are reported on a basis consistent with how we provided our earnings guidance for the year and exclude the aforementioned items that…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith of UBS. Your line is open.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Thank you, sir. Good morning.

Joseph Welch

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Good morning.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Good morning Julien.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

So I will use my two questions this way. First, on Attachment FF can you talk a little bit more about the MISO regulatory process and where we stand there really granularly what are the kind of key points everyone would look for through the course of the year. And then secondly, on the demand side if you will. I know we rarely kind of talk about that in the (indiscernible) for probably good reason, but could you just kind of address obviously we are seeing slowdown in demand broadly speaking selected growth seems this transition hasn’t been impacted, can you talk to that a little bit?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Sure I will maybe touch on the first question first as it relates to FF as Joe noted in his prepared comments we have problems of rehearing on the order that was issued by FERC. We do believe and that FERC did air in this decision. We continue to believe that our Attachment FF policy is the appropriate policy that allows for a competitive wholesale markets that allows for our generating resources to compete on a level playing field with other incumbents and exit in generating resources. So we are facilitating that path to try to address our concerns with the order that was issued. In parallel as Joe mentioned we are working towards seeing if we can device an alternative solution that would address the concern that we have with MISO’s standard policy for generation interconnects. And just by the way a background for those of you that may not be entirely familiar with that, MISO’s standard policy effectively puts the vast majority of the cost burden for a network upgrades on the interconnecting generator, roughly 10% of 345 KV network upgrades can be paid for by the zone, in which the generators interconnecting, but the vast majority of the cost do fall to the generator interconnecting itself. We think that again is not a good generation interconnection policy itself. And that it puts too much burden on the generator and also creates barriers to entry in an un-level playing field with respect to new generators versus incumbent generators. I can’t say definitively today that we are going to have a different proposal to push forward, but we are continuing to investigate and explore alternatives that might otherwise address our concerns with the MISO standard policy in the event that we aren’t successful in our re-gearing efforts. Does that hopefully get to your question?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Yes, absolutely.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Okay. As for the second, I think Joe will jump in and I’ll add any – maybe some comments on the end.

Joseph Welch

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Yes, I think there is again when you look at there is a decrease, if you will, perceived that we are going to have a decline in electrical load growth. And so in some areas and I will start with Michigan, I think we definitely saw that this year, but the vast majority of our work that we are completing in Michigan is tailored to continuing to finish rebuilding some of the grid here, which by and large we have done mostly and have completed. And of course, we still have large portion of the Thumb Loop to get down. Of course, that is all driven by the fact that there was a renewable resource requirements that was made in the state and the state has move forward to that. So now looking at broader scale, it’s not true that electrical demand is dying everywhere in the United States, especially in those areas where you are going to see a change of resources. And I am – what I was specifically talking to about is the exploration and the development of oil and natural gas equipment and it’s being built into areas, where actually the growth of that exceeds the growth or exceeds maybe below to the whole state. And so you see that happening and of course that scenario is where there is little or no transmission at all in existence. And so we are seeing a shift in where that growth is happening. In addition to that, you still have the constant pressure being put on out there for changing the generation resources. And that still leaves a lot of things in the air as to how that’s going to shake out. We see a lot of pressure right now being put on call. It’s not clear to me how that shakes out yet, but I will tell you this that you just can’t remove the large portions of generation on one spot in your system and start to build something else without having to have the transmission grid respond to it. So we stayed on top of this. I think we still see good growth way out into the future on transmission and we’ll continue to see it albeit not being driven by what would people would perceive the traditional load growth, but we see a change in how load is growing.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Yes. Julien, I will just add one comment, which is when we – I think it was our year end earnings call last year or earlier this year I should say when we did provide our perspectives on the macro drivers for transmission investment in the U.S. And frankly but for the situations that Joe described, load growth is not really one of those macro drivers. The requirements we are seeing for transmission investments are really driven by a lot of other factors that changing generation fleet, a desire to create more diversity in generation resources by adding your resources in various locations. It’s allowing for the competitive markets to function more efficiently reducing congestion and allowing for the lowest cost generating resources to be deliverable. And also just to underlying – there were underlying reliability of the grid and improving that for the benefit of the customers. Those are largely the drivers that we see supporting transmission investments in the U.S. as we look forward. Load growth, although we would all love to have more of it, I think we all recognize in the economic environment we are in anticipating significant load growth to drive significant investment requirements is probably not something that’s likely here in the near-term.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Alright, well I appreciate the thorough response.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Greg Gordon of ISI Group. Your line is open.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Hello?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Hi, Greg.

Greg Gordon - ISI Group

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Hello, can you hear me?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Yes.

Joseph Welch

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Yes, we can hear you now. Can you hear us?

Greg Gordon - ISI Group

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Sorry about that. So my first question is just a little bit more color around your commentary on the application for the Entergy acquisition. So if we get to the end of the year my understanding is that either party could choose to terminate the merger agreement, but that you could also choose to continue on with the merger agreement. So when we get to year end, if we don’t have a decision yet from Texas or any other jurisdictions that looks like those final decisions are imminent, i.e., they could come in January or February? Are you intimating that you would wait to see the final decisions before you would make a call on the deal or is there some other factor or factors that you would also way, if you don’t have the decisions, but the decisions will give it in?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

This is Joe Welch. And I think that I really covered this in my prepared comments that we are remaining committed to bringing this to a conclusion. There are other factors that we will consider along the way and actually consider them before we actually re-filed in Texas. We had to take a look at to see whether we could meaningfully get done what was expected in Texas. We hadn’t filed the mitigation plan there. So we went ahead and filed that plan. And of course, we asked for expedited treatment, which they gave us. And so we are going to move forward with that, but along the way if we get to the point where we find out that our business plan in anyway shape or form our business model is going to be affected in a negative way, then I think we have to sit back and say whether we would pursue this. Our goal is to get this to a place where we are comfortable, where we know where the outcome is going to be. And if we could not get to an outcome that we are comfortable with, I think we would withdraw, but I haven’t said that we are committed to moving forward with this transaction until we get to that point and we just haven’t got there.

Greg Gordon - ISI Group

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Great, thanks. One follow-up, Cameron, can you reiterate for us what you have said publicly about what the standalone prospects are, i.e., presuming for some reason the Entergy deal doesn’t close? What your standalone prospects are for continued investment in growth post ‘16, so whatever public comments you have made and whatever additional color you are willing to make to give us now with regard to how the growth rate would – might trend post 2016 given the investment opportunities that you are working on changes in the regulatory climate and also the impact of the reality that a lot of the other utility entities in the region now seem to want to get into your business and compete directly with you for projects?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Sure. I think my most recent comments again date back to our year end earnings call back in February, where – and I think we have touched on some of this through the course of year as well. I mean, we obviously remain committed to our publicly presented plan, which takes us through 2016. Beyond that, we have suggested that we see for our business superior growth levels from an earnings perspective relative to the utility industry for the next decade. Naturally, we have also indicated that eventually just the LIBOR’s numbers will catch up with us and the growth in the business will slow at some point, but given the macro outlook, we have for transmission investment in the U.S. what we perceive to be a continued relatively constructive framework from a regulatory perspective to execute against that and our confidence and our ability to compete with anyone who is interested in participating in this business. We believe the growth prospect for the business remained very attractive. And we still believe that we can continue to drive double-digit growth in this business, through this decade and superior growth relative to what you will find in the industry for at least a decade. So our outlook I think remains very positive with or without the Entergy transaction. Naturally, we think the Entergy transaction just builds on this overall attractive growth platform in the future. But certainly, we are very enthusiastic about our standalone plans to the extent that we are unsuccessful in bringing the Entergy transaction to conclusion on terms and conditions that they were comfortable with as Joe noted. And maybe you didn’t really ask us, but I will touch on it nonetheless. On the competitive landscape, we have been saying for sometime that we obviously see the industry becoming more competitive, but nonetheless when we come to work every day assuming anybody could compete for a transmission investment. And we are always working to ensure that we are positioning this organization to be successful in any competitive environment and believe that our attributes including our independence are so focused on transmission the fact that we are one of the largest builders of transmission infrastructure in the U.S. and have great economies of scale to build on the relationships to build on. And the fact that that’s all this management does day in and day out, continues to position us very well for an increasingly competitive environment. But we are quite confident in our ability to be successful in that landscape going forward.

Greg Gordon - ISI Group

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Thank you gentlemen.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · ISI Group. Your line is open

Thanks Greg.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kevin Cole of Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Kevin Cole - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

I guess, can you talk about a little bit more – I guess when you pulled Texas and you have some time between expert hand refilling. Just what process of what made you comfortable with that refilling and the path that you deal on?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Well, I think it is safe to say that we had to sit down and assess where we felt that we had deficiencies in our record. The thing that – I think that it is very hard for people from the outside to understand is how complicated it is to do a multistate transaction. It would be really good if you could get all the states in one room at one time, get all the issues on the table at one time and sit down and have a discussion with them all at one time, and then make one simultaneous filing. But that isn’t the way it happened. And so as you are going through the state jurisdictions and I will use Texas as an example they absolutely have a statutory requirement that they have to process their filing within 180 days and issue an order. During that process of course we were in discussions with other states and there was negotiations going on and the record in Texas was not complete. And we realized that once they put the order out there or the discussion took place where we would drew our filing we did not have a complete record that allowed them to give us a hopefully a very positive order. So we decided to pull it, reassessed all of the things that we had done in all of the other states and the commitments that were made and try to bring it together and basically get the mitigation plan entered into the record, why the mitigation plan is really in my mind the best deals that ever be could put together for customers because it’s essentially a wholesome harmless in perpetuity and to we can demonstrate benefits that exceeds the cost. So if you look at that in and out of itself that cost benefit test actually assures those jurisdictions that you are never going to do something foolish like the assertion of gold plating or overbuilding because it does allow us to get out of the mitigation plan. So we got that into the record, got the whole test mode supporting it and why it gave them, what they essentially wanted and hopefully we can move forward. So that was the process we used, but the underpinnings of that is to why it happened the way it was because you just cannot get these, all these jurisdictions practically at one place at one time because they are sequentially happened and things go on, people never offer what they see going on in another jurisdiction and so we view that the mitigation plan now present in all the jurisdictions and answers all the questions as best we can answer them. And hopefully everybody got – everybody is working through the same script now. That was the process.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

And Kevin I’ll do maybe add a little finer point to one aspect of that. When you look at the conditions that were proposed in Texas at that open meeting on August 9, recognizing that our rate mitigation plan was not the record, we had to step back and ask ourselves. For those conditions that we could not accept or did not find acceptable as we thought about the rate mitigation plan, we had to assess whether or not that the underlying concern that gave rise to the condition including in the list that we might have found unacceptable. Does the rate mitigation get to the heart of what their concern is. And I think our assessment is that we believe the rate mitigation plan we offer does adequately address the concern that gave rise to the conditions. It may not do it exactly the way that the condition described, but we think the spirit of the rate mitigation plan does address the underlying concern. And that’s fundamentally where we needed to get ourselves comfortable in order to make the decision to move forward. And as Joe described, we did and we think the rate mitigation plan that we have put forward should address the underlying concern whether it will or not, I think we all recognize that remains to be seen.

Kevin Cole - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

I guess, we are able to use the time between when ex-parte rolled off and you re-filed to have, I guess a frank conversation with the commission?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

The fact is that what the only conversation that we had was to understand exactly what their main issues were. And we did a multitude of fact gathering during that timeframe, not just talking to people at the Texas Commission, but talking to everybody that’s affected out there, including customer groups. It was important to us to make sure that we thought as Cameron said that our rate mitigation plan at least met in spirit what their concerns were. So that was basically what we did.

Kevin Cole - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Okay, great. I would like to ask one more question. I think last October you announced like a big SPP blueprint like project, can you give an update on where that sits in kind of path for biggest spin-out projects?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Sure. I mean, we have submitted that to SPP’s planning process as part of their ITP 10. That project was analyzed in connection with one of the scenarios, maybe one or two of the scenarios for which they are planning for. So it remains in that SPP planning process currently. And we are continuing to work with SPP to assess the project as they continue to advance projects that are designed to meet specific planning criteria that they have established. The project is I think we stated at the time is really designed to create a reliable AC network export path for resources on the western side of SPP to be able to move east and do so in a way that also benefits the SPP region by having a more reliable AC infrastructure in place. As SPP continues to assess their futures that include the desire to export more capacity from the west to the east, we continue to believe that this project meets the criteria that they have set forth. They haven’t obviously advanced that particular planning criteria as one that would allow for projects to move forward, but we continue to work with the inevitable goal of trying to do just that.

Kevin Cole - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Thank you. Will you guys be issuing guidance at EEI?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

I can’t comment specifically today as to when we might issue guidance. We have a process that we need to go through here that includes obviously vetting our 2014 budget with our board. So after that, we would be in a position to share our outlook for 2014. It will likely be before the end of the year, but I can’t – I am not going to put a specific date on it.

Kevin Cole - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Great, thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Charles Fishman of Morningstar. Your line is open.

Charles Fishman - Morningstar

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Follow-up on the Texas, just to make sure I understand it. The re-filing you have made essentially addresses or you believe addresses the laundry list of items in the Texas Open Meeting in August, just maybe not in the exact way that the Texas Commission suggested, is that a correct assessment?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

That is a correct assessment. Again, just to state it again that we look at the list of items that they wanted us to do, some of which, for instance, we just cannot do, okay. And we had to make sure that what we had put forth, because the issues that were brought up in the Texas order were candidly things we had been discussed with other state jurisdictions through the negotiation process and that was the genesis by which we put the mitigation plan together. So we want to make sure that we had assessed that properly and that we addressed it the way somebody termed it and I want to make sure that we get this right is that they ask for it in one way and we thought we gave them the answers to their questions, but we didn’t give it to them in a way that they would ask for, but we wanted to make sure that we addressed their concerns. We think the mitigation plan does that very well.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Yes. And Charles, it’s Cameron again. I think our perspective is there is in any situation where a commission outlines a condition, there are some underlying concern that gives rise to the need in their minds who have a condition. I think clearly as Joe highlighted there were certain conditions that – on the face we couldn’t just simply accept. So what we try to do is look at the underlying concern that gave rise to the need for that condition and make a determination as to whether or not the rate mitigation plan that we had already put forward would satisfactorily address that concern, albeit in a different way than we described in the condition. And that’s ultimately where we ended up. We filed – in a number of cases the condition that they could afford was perfectly acceptable to us. In other cases they were not and we have tried to draw the linkage between the concern that we understood giving rise to the condition and how the rate mitigation plan itself addresses that underlying concern. So, you are right, it’s not an okay to exactly the way that they had described it in the condition. But we feel that what we have offered adequately addresses the underlying concern that was raised.

Charles Fishman - Morningstar

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Okay, very helpful. And then I noticed the expenses associated with the Entergy transaction were dramatically lower in the third quarter versus second quarter. Is that a trend that will likely continue I mean we are on the downhill side of this thing?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

We are on the downhill side certainly from an expense perspective. There obviously would be we get to closing some, some closing contingent expenses that are fairly significant. If you look at the course of this year I think its $31.9 million for the year. This is the year where we have done most of the hearing, that’s very obviously litigious process that involved the significant amount of expense. So, lot of that is behind us and we are to your point on the downward side of the hill with respect to transaction related expenses unless we get to close in which case or some closing contingent expenses that would materialize.

Charles Fishman - Morningstar

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Okay, thank you. Good luck.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jonathan Arnold of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Good morning.

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Good morning.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Good morning Jonathan.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Cameron can I just pickup on your growth comments in response to Greg’s question you talked about being a higher growth rate the average utility of 10 years and then you mentioned double digit to a bit more specifically your current plan is 15 to 17 off of an 11 base where you’ve been running I think 20 or so over the first 2 years. Do you perceive yourself to be sort of in a trajectory of that 15 to 17 current 5-year plan, you’ve been running kind of above where it would be ultimately or is that just kind of the natural pay as you – the number grows?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yes, I think the 15% to 17% as we’ve talked about is the compound annual growth rate over that five-year period. So to the extent a little bit more of it may be has come in the front years. I think we are comfortable with the overall growth trajectory through the 16% time frame. I think as I said earlier we still see through the end of this decade we talk about certainly double-digit growth and growth that is parts appear to that then what we see in the utility industry on average, that’s as specific as I can be at this stage given the commentary that we’ve had.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

So would you be presumably if you went back to a standalone outlook it would be sort of a ‘13 base through 2018. With that you consider that would be comfortably double digits given how strong ‘13 is and this is off of the original base or is that we are getting too far?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

No, I think a fair interpretation of my comments would be what you described.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Comfortably, okay. And then I guess I had one other thing, on last course when you sort of you had a slide where you showed highly probable components of CapEx plan and then $3.4 billion. I think it was in a $800 million of additional with you associated with the 3% to 4% of the CAGR. How much of that $800 million is sort of moving into highly probable in a way you have updated on that slide? And then how should we think about that timing way?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yes, it’s a good question. We didn’t update the slide or didn’t present a new slide in this particular earnings call. I don’t have a specific number to give you in terms of how much of the $800 million has shifted from the not highly probable to the highly probable, all that what I can tell you at this stage is we remain confident in our overarching $4.2 billion plan through 2016 obviously working off ’11 as the base, and ‘12 as the first year of capital investment. So we are still obviously standing behind that plan. I don’t have a specific update to tell you in terms of how much of the 800 has shifted into the highly probable category at this stage.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Should we anticipate that there really won’t be much more granular update on any of this until you get to that point early next year where you decide whether the fields got momentum or not?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yes, I think that’s fair. And we said all the way along the line, we are focused on executing against this important strategic transaction and therefore successful in that. The outlook for the business will look very different than it does today. Not in terms of overall trajectory but certainly the components of growth and the magnitude of capital investment and how the business will work. So once we have clarity and this is why we I think stress the importance to have clarity soon so that we can obviously be in a position to provide an outlook as for the business going forward whether it’s our current standalone business or one that reflects the combination of this business in Entergy.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Thank you. And could I have just slight more for Joe. Joe on the just strategically with the transmission business in general, it seems there are lot of shifts in the focus of industry towards more distributive renewable type solutions in the longer term. I am very curious if you would comment on do you handle with that and how does that change where ITC proceeds it’s kind of role in building out that growth?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Well, first of all I could spend probably a whole day discussing the merits and lack of merits of distributed generation. I think that what everyone understands is that when you have distributed generation and the more distributed it becomes actually you start to rely on the reliability profile of the discrete unit which is inherently not as reliable as the grid itself. And so the more distributed it becomes, the more you absolutely need to get a grid that’s going to support it when its not there in the off hours or for backup purposes. It does present a new set of challenges for planning again. The thing that I have talked about is that it is a lot easier to plan when you have a policy that you are planning against what we seem to have is honestly as you are out there how we are going to go about it. But you superimpose on that the distributed generation or the distributed resources the natural gas that now exists in the United States and the cost of that natural gas and that puts a new cost parameter around those distributed resources that they didn’t have before. And I believe that the last study that I said, is still the economies are going to shift towards central station plan. And I believe that could be the case as long as diversity of load exists in our forecast and I don’t see that ever going away.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

The question validity of a shift to an old distributed model, but it did happen what would that mean to your business?

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Well, first of all I don’t think the shift will happen. We might study it, but I just don’t think the economies are there and they weren’t there in the 1900s and they are not going to be there in the 2000s. And I will have that debate with anybody and I think I can demonstrate that. Now assuming that even though I would say that it’s not going to happen or that it’s going to be on a small scale, it will put different demands on the transmission grid as it exist today. Again I see the long-term needs for more transmission especially in those areas of the country that doesn’t have robust transmission to exist. We are going to have exactly what I said in my prior answer that there has been a shift where the load is materializing and the drivers for that load. And there is still a need to move power across multiple businesses and as you continue to go more distributed we are going to start to see resources for back up change their complexion and we are going to have to have a grid again to deliver that.

Jonathan Arnold - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Great, thank you very much.

Joseph Welch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

First, given that you are going to have some clarity around whether or not you are moving forward with the Entergy transaction around the end of the year, when do you expect to provide some sort of multi-year guidance? And then the second as it relates to the Entergy transaction, are you expecting a litigated outcome across the board at the various states or do you think you might be able to settle a jurisdiction or two?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

Rajeev, it’s Cameron. On the first question, I can’t give you specific date right now just because we haven’t drawn lines in the stand around when we will have clarity with the Entergy transaction. I think it’s fair to say once we have clarity regarding what the business will look like in the future whether it’s the standalone business or the standalone business merge with Entergy, we will endeavor to get something shared sooner rather than later, but I can’t put a specific data on it sitting here today. To your second question, I think we always remained opened and willing to pursue settlements in any jurisdiction. Candidly, we have been at this for quite a long time and we haven’t gotten there yet. So I wouldn’t want to suggest that we view that as imminent. Nonetheless, I think we are always open-minded and we are always willing to discuss trying to come an agreed upon solution with other participants in the transaction that would allow for us to avoid a protracted procedural process and one that we think the commissions could support. So that’s always something we are more than willing to do and then desired to do. When we put the – I wouldn’t want to suggest the likelihood as terribly high just given the amount of time we have been at this already and the fact we haven’t been able to get there today.

Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

Got it. Thank you.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Bates of Wunderlich Securities. Your line is open.

Mike Bates - Wunderlich Securities

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Your line is open

Good morning. Just wanted to come back to some of Joe’s comments earlier in the call, Joe, you mentioned that there going to be opportunities to build our transmission in some of the energy rich areas that really don’t have a strongly interconnected grid yet, to what extent did those type of opportunities fall within the current capital plan versus being towards the end of the decade or even afterwards?

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Your line is open

Mike, it’s Cameron. I think by and large, those are going to be the types of projects that are in our development portfolio. Few of them I would say are going to be in the current kind of 5-year plan that we have presented that takes us out through 2016, because a lot of that need for that has been developing over the last couple of years. And certainly meeting that need and fulfilling that need will take a little bit of time, but certainly, it’s the type of capital that we would envision in our development pipeline and those are indicative of one sort of area of project so to speak in that pipeline that we are continuing to try to advance. Some of that is in the SPP region working with our partners down there. There could also be aspects of that to touch on our current operating areas as well.

Mike Bates - Wunderlich Securities

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Your line is open

Okay, thank you very much.

Cameron Bready

Analyst · Wunderlich Securities. Your line is open

Thanks Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude the Q&A portion of our call. At this time, we would like to turn the call over to Gretchen Holloway for any closing remarks.

Gretchen Holloway - Director, Investor Relations

Management

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Operator

Operator

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