Doug Pferdehirt
Analyst · Barclays
Yes. George, a very good question, one that we spend a lot of time on and one that we -- I alluded to or spoke to in the prepared remarks because I think it’s really, really critical. One, we’ll certainly be talking more about in November at our Analyst Day, but just to foreshadow it a little bit. First and foremost, our new energy strategy is around four pillars. That’s offshore wind, particularly floating wind. And again, we believe that will comprise 80% of the total offshore wind. So, we’re not really chasing the fixed wind. It’s very fragmented. There is no integration and there is very little technology other than the turbine -- provided by the turbine manufacturer. So, just to chase that to get short-term vessel utilization and to call that new energy or renewables revenue, I’m not really doing anything, right? I’m just using my boat for a different application. So, we’re not looking at it that way. We’re looking at it as what can we bring -- just like we do in the conventional energy, what can we bring to differentiate our Company from a technology and from an integrated offering. So, we’ll approach this very differently. We believe it will allow us to generate the type of returns that would be acceptable to you and to our shareholders versus what is available in, if you will, just selling a vessel at a lower day rate in the renewables market -- fixed -- I’m sorry, fixed wind market today. So, that’s what we mean about playing the long game. We did the same thing, if you remember, in our traditional business back in ‘17 -- or ‘18 and ‘19, we were very-disciplined, and we didn’t just chase activity. We said iEPCI, we believe, was going to work, and we were going to have our capacity of our floating assets available to us to deliver those iEPCI projects, and that’s what we’re seeing today. And that’s why we’re having the success and differentiating success today. So, we’re doing the same thing in wind. In wave, it’s very clear, we’re going to focus on the technology and the integration of the technology with wind. We believe if you put wind -- we’ve demonstrated, if you put wind and wave together, we believe we can increase the output by as much as 30%. That’s significant. In addition to that, the ability to be able to store and/or convert offshore will be critical. That’s our Deep Purple project. So, we could be converting -- generating to hydrogen and storing hydrogen. We could be storing in other forms of energy storage, wind and wave power as well and then the ability to be able to potentially distribute that offshore versus having to do everything at a near-shore port, we could do this type of transfer offshore. So, that covers kind of wind, wave, hydrogen. And then, in addition to that, would be carbon, transportation and storage. I find it difficult to believe that to get to the levels required which we all support that you will be sequestering that carbon -- I’m sorry, you will be storing that carbon on land. So, therefore, a lot of the sequestration will happen near the coast. We will -- we are and again, there’ll be more to come on this subject, we will be announcing very novel technology that will allow us to safely transport and store that carbon -- the CO2 that is sequestered subsea or offshore, if you will. So, that’s kind of our mentality. That’s the way we go about it. There’s those three pillars. They’re not mutually exclusive. From our perspective, we will try to integrate as many of those together as possible. Bear in mind, 50% of the world subsea infrastructure is ours, sitting on the sea floor today. Our ability to be able to use that potentially as distribution hubs, storage hubs or injection hubs could be very unique application. It will require some very sophisticated technology, as we talked about earlier when I was answering the Deep Purple question to Marc that this isn’t just using the same equipment, it’s a very different type of equipment, and we’ll be talking about that as we announce some technology -- new technologies in the coming quarters. So, you put all of that together, and it’s a very exciting roadmap for us. Now, specifically to your question is, okay, when? When do we see it? And how big is the potential? Well, the potential is obvious. I mean, I think the potential is as big as our conventional business. The question is, when and is there a crossover? For how long do they -- does this one grow while the other is growing? We just got done saying that the conventional business is growing, and we see growth now through 2022 and potentially beyond. I’m just not going to go past 2022 for right now. So, with that, starting to see some growth in the renewables and maybe carbon happens and wind happens maybe before hydrogen, I don’t know. It’s kind of a combination. A lot of it has to do with local support. Legislation, other things will help drive, which one gets ahead of the other. We just want to be well-positioned to be the offshore company, the offshore company as we are today in subsea for conventional hydrocarbon for the renewables. And whatever one takes off first, we’ll be well positioned to benefit from that. But again, we’re going to track our renewable revenue as that sustainable revenue that can generate high returns versus just chasing utilization with our existing assets today.