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Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, May 6, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the L.B. Foster First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your speaker for today Lisa Durante. Please go ahead.

Lisa Durante

Analyst

Thank you operator. Good morning everyone and welcome to L.B. Foster's first quarter of 2025 earnings call. My name is Lisa Durante the company's Director of Financial Reporting. Our President and CEO, John Kasel; and our Chief Financial Officer, Bill Thalman will be presenting our first quarter operating results, market outlook, and business developments this morning. We'll start the call with John providing his perspective on the company's first quarter performance. Bill will then review the company's first quarter financial results. John will provide perspective on market developments and company outlook in his closing comments. We will then open up the session for questions. Today's slide presentation along with our earnings release and financial disclosures were posted on our website this morning and can be accessed on our Investor Relations' page at lbfoster.com. Our comments this morning will follow the slides in the earnings presentation. Some statements we are making are forward-looking and represent our current view of our markets and business today. These forward-looking statements reflect our opinions only as of the date of this presentation and we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revisions to these statements in light of new information except as required by securities laws. For more detailed risks uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward-looking statements please see the disclosures in our earnings release and presentation. We'll also discuss non-GAAP financial metrics and encourage you to carefully read our disclosures and reconciliation tables provided within today's earnings release and presentation as you consider these metrics. So, with that, let me turn the call over to John.

John Kasel

Analyst

Thank you, Lisa and hello everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I'll begin my remarks on Slide 5, covering the key drivers of our first quarter results. As mentioned in our year-end earnings report in March, we started 2025 softer than last year with first quarter sales down 21.3% compared to atypically strong prior year comparison. The decline was realized entirely within our Rail segment with infrastructure sales growing 5% over last year driven primarily by strong demand in our Precast Concrete business. It is important to note that our Rail business had an exceptionally strong first quarter last year and also entered 2025 with a lower backlog, primarily due to order timing and rail distribution. Rail distribution demand is lumpy at times and we have experienced quarterly swings in volume in the past depending on timing of the large project work. This quarter was also impacted by an apparent slowdown in the release of government funding, impacting project activity levels with our customers. But I feel pleased to report that we're starting to see project funding and bidding levels improve as evidenced by our 46.9% rail backlog increase during the quarter. Getting back to the results, the lower Q1 sales volume in the Rail segment drove a 69.3% decrease in adjusted EBITDA versus last year. As expected our net debt increased to $79.9 million during the quarter, reflecting the increased working capital funding needed to support sales growth along with annual incentive and insurance premium payments. Net debt was up $4.9 million versus last year and the gross leverage ratio came in at 2.5 times compared to 2.2 times last year. Order rates began to recover in the first quarter, increasing 39.1% sequentially and 12.6% over last year. This translated into an improved backlog at quarter end of $237.2 million, up $51.3 million during the quarter and up $15 million over last year. The backlog growth was higher in our more profitable growth product lines which should translate to near-term sales growth and profitability expansion year-over-year as early as the second quarter. As Bill covers -- after Bill covers the financial details for the quarter, I'll come back to them with some closing remarks on our backlog trends, the market outlook and our financial guidance for the year. Over to you, Bill.

Bill Thalman

Analyst

Thanks, John. I'll begin my comments on Slide 7, covering the consolidated results of the first quarter. As a reminder, the schedules in the appendix provide details on the financial results covered in today's call, including non-GAAP information. As John mentioned in his opening remarks, first quarter results were lower than last year driven entirely by lower sales volume in the Rail segment. Net sales for the quarter were down 21.3%, with Rail segment sales down 34.6% driven primarily by weak Rail distribution demand within the Rail Products business unit. Partially offsetting the decline was an increase in infrastructure sales, which were up 5% over last year, due to a 33.7% increase in Precast Concrete sales. Gross profit was down $6 million, with the gross margin down 50 basis points to 20.6%. The decline was driven by lower Rail sales as well as slightly unfavorable mix within the Rail segment. SG&A costs decreased $1.9 million from the prior year, due to lower Personnel and Professional service costs. First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $1.8 million, down $4.1 million versus last year due to the lower margins from the Rail sales decline. Operating cash flow which was a use of $26.1 million followed normal seasonal patterns due to increased working capital needs coupled with funding for prior year incentives and annual insurance premiums. We saw favorable trends in orders and backlogs across the business which I'll cover by segment later in the presentation. Slide 8 provides a reminder of the typical seasonality of our business. Sales and EBITDA levels are normally stronger in the second and third quarters, as they represent the primary construction season period for our customers. The growth in our backlog during the first quarter gives us confidence that we will see an improvement in sales volumes across the…

John Kasel

Analyst

Thanks, Bill. Please turn to Slide 16, where I'll begin my closing remarks, covering recent market developments and near-term outlook. While first quarter results were down versus last year, the decline was largely isolated to weakness in rail distribution demand within the Rail Products business unit. This product line benefits from the well-publicized government infrastructure programs which we believe slowed earlier in the year due to uncertainty in the amounts and continuation of federal funding, resulting from Washington's cost-cutting initiatives or the like. As Bill mentioned in his comments, it is important to note that demand levels for rail products began to improve throughout Q1 with orders up sequentially 77.8% and backlog up both sequentially and year-over-year at the end of the quarter. We also are seeing increasing quotation rates from some of our largest customers in Q2 providing us confidence that the demand drivers for rail products are getting back on track. Demand for Friction Management solutions remains robust and ongoing focus on rail safety in North America continues to drive demand for our total track monitoring solutions. Within the Infrastructure segment demand for our precast concrete products continues to grow with increased orders and backlog year-over-year on top of strong sales growth delivered in the first quarter. We continue to see favorable demand building for our Envirocast precast wall system now being manufactured in Florida as well as our O&G Protective Coatings business with combined backlogs up $12.1 million or 51.6% year-over-year. The increased backlog coupled with improved profitability mix within the backlog should translate into near-term sales growth and profitability expansion year-over-year as early as the second quarter. We are closely monitoring the status of the government funding programs but remain optimistic that they will move forward as announced given the greater infrastructure need. As mentioned during…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question today is coming from the line of Julio Romero of Sidoti. Your line is open.

Julio Romero

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Hey. Good morning, John and Bill. Thanks for taking the questions.

John Kasel

Analyst

Hello, Julio.

Julio Romero

Analyst

Hey. So I wanted to start on the Rail Technology and Services segment. I appreciate the commentary you gave about the lower year-over-year volume and the impact that had on the first quarter, and how the Rail Products business unit was down year-over-year against the strong prior year quarter in the first quarter. It would seem that the second and third quarter would also be tough comparable. So I was hoping you could talk about how you would have us think about Rail Products volumes sequentially here in the second quarter? And should we expect Rail Products volumes to also be down in the second quarter on a year-over-year basis?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yes. Thanks Julio. Thanks for your question today. And we're a seasonal construction company. So we're looking for actually a very big Q2 and Q3. And this is where we really feel good about maintaining our guidance for the year, because we've really picked up some nice orders entering Q2 in the mill and our supply channel partners are ready to perform. So we're contrary to maybe your thoughts, we're looking at big Q2. And last year wasn't the best Q2 for us. So we're looking to put a number on the board here and show some good activity here and profitability as well in Q2. And Rail Products will be a big piece of that.

Julio Romero

Analyst

Great. Very encouraging there. It was good to see that backlog growth in Rail here in the quarter. Can you speak to the mix of that backlog growth?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yes. I was -- I've mentioned and Bill did as well, and I can have Bill give the exact numbers again. But what -- even though we were down on the Rail Products side, to be clear, it was just the distribution side and a reminder investors and viewers that a big part of that Rail Distribution business flows through the government about 82% of it. So that's where we saw a little bit of a pause in the first quarter. But we're seeing that break free now, because the nice thing about the Rail space is they need to replace the rail, right? They can't -- these things can't just sit there and not be replaced. So that work is beginning to come. But our TTM business, our condition monitoring business is really, really doing well including the FM business. And that's where we're seeing even the larger profit margins as well and the opportunity to really get some nice growth, not just in the quarter but a year-over-year comparison. Bill maybe you could highlight what those numbers were again?

Bill Thalman

Analyst

Yes. For the Rail segment, just looking at the year-over-year growth in backlog, we saw about 22% growth in Rail products. Friction Management was up about 71% on a year-over-year basis. So that again speaks to the improving mix within the backlog. And then importantly, we saw a pretty large decline in the UK portion of the backlog, which was down about 53% on a year-over-year basis. And as you know that market has been challenged for quite a while and we've been scaling back our initiatives there. So all of those moves give us confidence that we're going to see improving profitability mix on the Rail portfolio, and as long as we -- as we expect those government programs remain intact that the volume should be there, that would follow that mix improvement as well.

Julio Romero

Analyst

Very helpful there. And then dovetails into the last question for me, which is just on the friction management piece, the growth in the backlog and the upsales in the quarter here. Just speak to what's working well on that friction management piece and if you're seeing any share gains?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yes, we're picking up – well, we're picking up new work and new customers and new geographies. And our service team has performed extremely well. So we feel very good about our installed base as it relates to lubricators and then the amount of consumables that's now entering North America as well as outside of North America is something we have never seen before. So we're feeling very good about that business. Our guy leading the business Jason Bowlin is doing just a fantastic job. He's also done a great job also in Canada. He's doing a great job of managing the relationships in the business. We talk about tariffs and this guy in that group is working very well, managing what's in front of us related to the ongoing tariff threats. And I'm very proud of what that group is doing and our customers are getting the benefit of a very good product and service.

Julio Romero

Analyst

Very good. I’ll pass it on. And best of luck in the second quarter.

John Kasel

Analyst

Thanks, Julio.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question. And the next question will be coming from the line of Liam Burke [ph].

John Kasel

Analyst

Good morning, Liam.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning, John. Good morning, Bill. John, typically when – if there's a potential economic or national economic slowdown, the rails tend to see lower traffic volumes but that's when they take advantage of slower volumes and step up CapEx. Are you getting any kind of feel for increased capital expenditures on rail projects?

John Kasel

Analyst

They don't come on and actually say that but that's exactly what we're seeing. That's where this backlog and the orders that we're seeing is coming from. This is maintenance and additional capital work that they may be putting out have done. They're not necessarily adding capacity but they're shoring up and harding their track system. So that's exactly right.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you. And on pipe coating orders were up. The sales were – were the sales numbers seasonally – affected seasonally? Or is that just project-based and just general lumpiness?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yes. I kind of shared with the – I think earlier in the year we talked about with the new administration that we're probably going to see this thing break free and we have. And we're very pleased with the order intake. We've hired a lot of people somewhere around 50 people for this business. We're running close to capacity right now. We will be at full capacity in the second quarter. So we're seeing a very strong year. In fact I think we're looking at multiple years of restoring that profitability of that business. Now remember, we have two businesses. We're in-line coater and we have special coating as well. Both businesses are – have very large opportunities in front of us similar to what we've seen maybe six, seven years ago. So we're feeling very, very good about the outlook of those businesses. Bill do you want to add anything to that?

Bill Thalman

Analyst

Yes. The only thing I'd highlight is the quarter itself in terms of reported results, the coatings business was down a tick. We had a pretty large order that we had received at the end of the previous fiscal year that burned out in Q1 of last year. But so the first quarter was a little soft in terms of volume. But as John mentioned, we ended up having a 51% increase in the backlog based on the order intake level that we saw in Q1 and we see that continuing on for the rest of the year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Super. Thank you, John, thank you, Bill.

John Kasel

Analyst

Thanks, Julio.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question. The next question is coming from the line of Christopher Sakai of Singular Research. Your line is open.

John Kasel

Analyst

Good morning, Chris.

Christopher Sakai

Analyst

New orders in infrastructure, what are you seeing there? What's leading to the improvement?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yeah. So we mentioned that Q1 order rates of 35%. Precast is just doing extremely well. Our strategy was continue to double up and double down on what we're doing in precast and with our expansion and growth in new product lines as well as our new acquisition. Well, that's not so new anymore. It's about -- it's approaching three years old, but the penetration we're seeing in the East Coast and then down in the Carolinas. And now with our new operations starting up in Florida, we're just really pleased with what's going on in our precast business. And we're looking for that really to -- it really shored up what we had in the first quarter, honestly, with the distribution being down, and we're looking for them to have sequentially, a couple of really nice quarters put together here. And the nice thing about the business is the Great American Outdoors Act, which is really the funding for our original legacy business, the building side. We haven't seen any pullback in that as well. So our order rate coming in related to the legacy precast buildings is as good, if not better, than it was even last year. So we're looking at a fantastic year in that business in all of infrastructure, which is really being led by precast.

Christopher Sakai

Analyst

Okay. Great. Can you talk about potential acquisitions? What are you seeing out there? Is it more of a challenging market now with the talks of the tariffs?

John Kasel

Analyst

It is, but we really are mindful of our strategy. We've got a bunch of organic opportunities and growth that we're trying to manage. So we're busy hiring people. We're busy looking at adding shifts, and we're busy bringing in technical and salespeople to make things happen, including service operations and organization. So we're not really actively looking for acquisitions because we don't need them. What we have in front of us for the year and the guidance, that's within our ability to perform. We got -- we just need to execute. Now if it makes sense to do some smaller tuck-in type things, we're, of course, always looking at those things, but it's really not front of center or front of mind for us right now, Chris.

Christopher Sakai

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks for the answer.

John Kasel

Analyst

Yes. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our next question is coming from the line of Justin Bergner of Gabelli Funds. Your line is open.

John Kasel

Analyst

Good morning, Justin.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Good morning, John. Good morning, Bill. Few questions here. You mentioned that weaker mix was a driver of slightly lower gross margins in your Rail segment. But I guess, I didn't necessarily follow that given the pieces you broke out and the strength in the friction side versus the rail products side?

John Kasel

Analyst

Go ahead Bill please.

Bill Thalman

Analyst

Yeah. So the volume impact on Rail products was a part of it, just given the cost structure within the overall business. But then we also had our TTM business, which is the total track monitoring component of the business had a pretty strong start to the year last year as well. So their volume decline was also a contributing factor. But if you look across the entire Rail segment, the largest impact overall was by far the rail distribution volume. And the TTM piece, we're seeing nice bidding activity there. So that was more of a temporary factor than anything.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. That makes sense. Are you seeing any benefit or impact from higher steel prices in your Rail products business as it relates to dollar or percentage margin?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yeah. Good question. So back in the first Trump administration with the tariffs and 232 in steel, we benefited from that because as the steel input costs rose we passed out of the marketplace today back then. And we're going to see the same thing and we're seeing the same thing actually this year. As things continue to move forward and prices go, we'll be able to pass those on. Coming out of COVID, we got really nimble and really agile where we're able to really start driving market pricing. So I think we're set up very well as the tariffs continue to -- how real they are we'll be ready to make sure that we pass those out and get paid for.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. That makes sense as well. In terms of the funding being released, is that comment mainly relevant to the Rail products business as you look at the rest of the year? Are there other businesses?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yeah. Well, specifically rail distribution. So behind rail distribution is the transit business, and behind the transit is government authorities. That's how it all flows. To put this in perspective for you, we wouldn't be talking about a down quarter if we just ship two or three more trains. That's how close it is and that's how lumpy it is and that's what kind of construction work we do. So instead of those two or three trains being in Q1, this is again providing Rail to the Transit authorities. They'll now go on Q2. So we'll see that pick up. And it is all about the government programs. It's all about government funding. And it's about, it's being a little slower just start of the year with all the things going on in Washington, but we're seeing that change here pretty quickly.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. Lastly, could you comment at all on what you're seeing in April in terms of sales and orders versus the first quarter qualitatively or quantitatively?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yeah. I always love questions like that, because it's -- no, we don't typically talk about that but, I'm not discouraged, let's put it that way for where we're at sitting here in April. And when we talked and I closed up today's speech about giving confidence that we're going to hit our year-end guidance that's mindful of what's going on in April.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. Do you still think the high -- the upper half of the guidance is possible based on where we stand today?

John Kasel

Analyst

Yeah. Justin, we're lining up to our guidance. So we'll see where all the chips fall. I will tell you, our operations are ready to perform. So as the work continues and things get freed up here, we're ready to perform and ready to deliver.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. Thanks so much.

John Kasel

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this does conclude today's Q&A session. I would like to turn the call back over to John Kasel, CEO for closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

John Kasel

Analyst

Thank you very much. Thank you for joining us today. It's one of these things that you get through the quarter, and you get to the next quarter. And that's how myself and the management team are looking put that behind us, and really focus on what's in front of us right now, because we have much to do to really be driving the volumes that we see in front of us and do it the right way to take care of our customers to make sure that we run a safe and good quality organization and drive shareholder return. And we're looking to continue that through Q2 and the balance of the year. So thanks for your time today. And we look forward to talking to you after the close of the second quarter. Take care.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation of today's conference call. You may now disconnect.