Operator
Operator
Welcome to the third quarter 2009 L.B. Foster earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to your host for today’s conference, Mr. David Russo, Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed.
L.B. Foster Company (FSTR)
Q3 2009 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 23, 2009
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Operator
Operator
Welcome to the third quarter 2009 L.B. Foster earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to your host for today’s conference, Mr. David Russo, Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed.
David Russo
Management
Thank you. Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for L.B. Foster Company’s earnings conference call to review the company’s third quarter 2009 operating results. My name is David Russo and I am the Chief Financial Officer of L.B. Foster. Hosting the call today is Mr. Stan Hasselbusch, L.B. Foster’s President and CEO. This morning, Stan will provide an overview of the company’s third quarter performance, give an update on critical business issues and discuss market conditions. Afterward, I will review the earnings press release issued earlier this morning and then we will open up the session for questions. Means to access this conference call via webcast were disclosed in our earnings press release and were posted on the L.B. Foster company website under the Investor Relations page. This web cast will be archived and available for seven days. Today’s call includes forward-looking statements and information within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements relate to future events and expectations and include known and unknown risks and uncertainties. Future actual results may differ greatly from these statements and expectations that are expressed today. All participants are encouraged to refer to L.B. Foster’s annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended, December 31, 2008, as well as to other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for additional information about L.B. Foster. Additionally, while forward-looking statements will be made today, it is L.B. Foster Company’s policy to not provide specific earnings guidance. With that, we will commence our discussion. I will turn it over to Stan Hasselbusch.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Good morning. Thank you David and thanks to all of you for attending our third quarter 2009 earnings call and web cast. This morning we announced the results for the third quarter. Sales were $92.4 million down 36.5% from the third quarter last year. Earnings per share in the quarter were $0.60, down 21% from the previous year’s quarter. Bookings were $107.5 million and corresponding backlog was $155.5 million. While this was 13% less than the backlog at the end of the third quarter last year we were actually 10.7% ahead of this year’s second quarter backlog numbers. The global recession continues to negatively impact all of our major product lines. Tubular sales were down 69%, construction sales were down 31% and rail sales were down 37%. From a product standpoint let’s start with tubular where well head prices and rig counts are both down over 50% from last year and continue to hurt our coating business. Square footage coated in the quarter was off 80% when compared to last year and we do not expect any major improvements in coating until the second half of 2010. On a positive note in tubular we are pleased to announce the formation of a joint venture with Lally Pipe and Tube to manufacture pipe couplings in Houston. The couplings will service both our needs in the pump column business and Lally’s needs in their limited service applications. Initially we will produce couplings for their internal consumption but eventually we would expect to explore other threading and market opportunities. This facility is currently under construction and is expected to be operational in January utilizing state of the art robotic equipment. We are pleased to be working with Lally in this venture. Their values and culture match up very well with ours. On the…
David Russo
Management
Thank you Stan. I would like to summarize some of the adjustments reported in the earnings release from this morning. The first one is we did realize a gain on the sale of marketable securities of $1.2 million which is included in the other income expense line on the income statement of the earnings release table. We also recorded slow moving inventory charges of $1 million and reductions in inventory values resulted in unfavorable gross profit adjustments of approximately $1.5 million. The gain on the sale of marketable securities will be excluded from the ensuing discussion of operating results as it is non-operating in nature. So with that in mind I will begin the review. Sales for the third quarter of 2009 were $92.4 million compared to $145.6 million in the prior year, a 36.5% decrease. The sales decrease was due to a 37.2% decline in rail product sales, 31.1% decrease in construction product sales and a 69.1% reduction in tubular product sales compared to last year’s third quarter. The construction product sales decline was due to a decrease in piling sales partially offset by an increase in fabricated product sales and an increase in concrete building sales. Both the bridge and concrete buildings markets have benefited from stimulus funds. The third quarter tubular decrease was due to a sales reduction in coated products and to a lesser extent to a sales decline in threaded products. After both tubular divisions had strong years in 2007 and 2008 it appears that 2009 will be one of the segment’s worst years in quite awhile. The energy markets served by our coated division have been robust for the past several years and while we continue to anticipate strength over the longer term we are experiencing an extremely weak market at this time and…
Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) The first question comes from the line of Liam Burke - Janney Montgomery Scott.
Liam Burke - Janney Montgomery Scott
Analyst
A little more detail on the joint venture, you are contributing your purchase land and you are contributing capital for the construction of the building. What other assets are being contributed to the venture and roughly what would your ownership be in it?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Assets would be basically cash ownership position of 45%. That would be for the equipment, the land and the building. We are buying the land and leasing it to the joint venture.
Liam Burke - Janney Montgomery Scott
Analyst
On the piling, there is some good news with New Orleans and the Panama Canal. There is a lot of bad news in the nature of the commercial construction market. Is there anything in the middle where you are seeing any signs of improvement?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Unfortunately there is not a lot of good news in the piling side of it. Piling shipments over the last 12 months, total piling shipments are down over 50%. I think our tonnage is down 42% year-to-date. Pricing has dropped 20-25%. The day in day out business has not been there. That is driven by the non-residential building, some of the industrial applications. The truckload business is gone. We have been very fortunate in booking some large jobs which have been good but primarily at compressed margins but our piling group has done a very good job really being able to go out and identify a lot of jobs that we are seeing that are being delayed or even cancelled. I think 42 of the states are running at negative budgets so there is a hang up in some of the state work getting out there and getting approved. So it is a very difficult situation and we are dealing with it as best we can and I think our piling group is just doing a very superb job at handling this difficult time. We do also expect to see some pick up from the stimulus but there hasn’t been a lot of it in the piling end really.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from the line of James Bank - Sidoti & Co. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: So you are certainly having some good activity on the larger projects but if I am hearing you correctly, I know it is only October but you are more or less implying the top line, the sales number in 2010 is in fact could even be down from 2009?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
I’m not going to say that at this point but it is not going to be any V shaped recovery. I can assure you of that. I think it is going to be pretty lumpy at least going into the first two quarters of next year. We didn’t really talk about this but the Federal Transportation Bill which expired at the end of September, a new bill we all get excited about with additional opportunities with it. We don’t think that is going to be approved at least in the first half of next year. So it is going to be tough. It is going to be tough. I would be foolish not to tell you that. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: The backlog of $156 million I think you referenced how quickly that would go but I didn’t catch that.
David Russo
Management
I don’t know if I said anything about it. Typically the sweet spot for our backlog at any one point is anywhere between 3-9 months. At any one point in time for the whole backlog to work off it is usually the better part of 11-12 months. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: So of this number then you would expect this to not go in the fourth quarter?
David Russo
Management
Some of it certainly will but not all of it. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: Getting into the adjustments in the quarter it looks like it is more or less net to neutral I think with the sale of the marketable securities, the charge for slow moving inventory as well as the reduction in the salaried workforce. The LIFO credit seemed to have benefit you considerably. I was wondering if I could get that on a per share basis and I think you had about $4.5 million of LIFO credit in the first half of the year. If I could maybe get the per share basis of the first and second quarter too for apples-to-apples?
David Russo
Management
We don’t really look at those items discretely and start calculating EPS. It is very easy to take for the quarter the $4.9 million and apply an effective tax rate and you are probably going to get somewhere around $0.30. So you can do that for any one quarter or year-to-date. Certainly the third quarter was where the preponderance of our LIFO credit. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: That was $10 million right?
David Russo
Management
No. $4.9 million for the quarter. The entire nine months is $6.7 million. The $10 million I referenced is the swing from quarter-to-quarter this year versus last year because last year we had LIFO expense. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: I just see here a favorable change of LIFO adjustments of 14.5.
David Russo
Management
That is year-to-date. You are in the year-to-date. You are looking at nine months. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: So the third quarter was $4.9 million and the first half it was $6.7?
David Russo
Management
For the first nine months it was 6.7.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Year-to-date it was 6.7.
David Russo
Management
For the first half you are looking at less than $2 million. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: As I X out that LIFO credit it looks like gross or I think you even supplied it was about 15.8% which is pretty good but then in the press release you referenced that certain facilities still can’t cover costs at these low volumes. I still think that 15.8% is a pretty good achievement. Is this press release trying to imply that would go south from there or just at the very least is that sustainable from here?
David Russo
Management
There are two different areas. You have gross profit on our sales which you are right they are not better than last year but they are holding up. The other thing is we look at one of our metrics is just the plants and whether they fully absorb their variable and fixed costs. What we are saying is with these low volumes that we have been experiencing as many facilities you see in other companies we are not covering our fixed costs in all areas.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities.
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
I wanted to touch on light rail briefly. There has kind of been some enthusiasm related to stimulus funding. Some of the European manufacturers are apparently pretty interested in what is going on in the states. Can you comment as to what kind of activity you are seeing in that particular space?
David Russo
Management
You broke up quite a bit but I think you were talking about high speed rail?
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
Yes.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
There is some in the stimulus package that has been obligated. I believe that has been mentioned but I think the applications we are seeing are much more than the $8 billion that actually has been authorized. We really haven’t seen any major projects take off yet. We are watching a couple of areas that could possibly go but there is nothing that has really taken off yet.
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
Do you think there is the potential that the light rail could help mitigate some of your declines in the rail business or do you think it will be pretty immaterial.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
I think it is going to be immaterial at least for the next 15 months.
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
Do you anticipate any severance expense in the next quarter?
David Russo
Management
Could you repeat that?
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
Do you expect any severance expense in the quarter?
David Russo
Management
We certainly don’t know. We are going to right size the business as we get a little more clarity and forecast as we go though our operating plans and see what next year is going to look like but right now we don’t have any firm plans.
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
On the joint venture principally what end markets would your products go into then with the joint venture?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Ours would go into the pump column business which is used in water drilling.
Mark Zinski - 21st Century Equities
Analyst
So this kind of diversifies the end market for you?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
No it doesn’t. We use them anyway. We entered the joint venture with the intention we consume couplings. We consume 50 to 50,000 couplings on an annual basis. Lally I think is very similar in their usage. This will ensure is quality, pricing and availability which has been really a stickler to us. We don’t really plan on expanding that business to other markets initially but we are looking at possible markets to take it to which could include oil and gas, micro piles, a number of different areas that we could look at.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers. Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers: James got everything I needed on the LIFO adjustments but could you just address what you might see for the reason of the increase in inventory at this point?
David Russo
Management
Kind of ironically when we have LIFO credits it actually reduces our LIFO reserve and increases our net inventory balance. I won’t tell you that is the only reason. Some of it is we are working on a couple of longer-term projects where there is a significant amount of logistics before the inventory actually passes over to the customer. We are going to see some of that have an impact, not a huge impact but a moderate impact, over the next 2-3 quarters as a couple of big projects get worked through. I would tell you with the $4.9 million LIFO credit is a direct increase to the inventory balance you see on our financial statements.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
I can also assure you that inventory from a corporate operations standpoint is one area we are looking at very hard and really expect to make very positive changes and improvements in our inventory control and management in 2010. Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers: So then it is safe to say that with you on the job there if we looked at inventory from a tonnage perspective it is still continuing to decline?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter inventory is down 20% from the third quarter last year I think from $120 million to $96 million. Tonnage is down but we need to take it down more.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Brian [Keeley] – [Kenco]. Brian [Keeley] – [Kenco]: I was hoping to ask a question regarding your use of cash, what you are seeing in the acquisition market and those types of issues?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
Actually the first half of this year we saw virtually nothing. The deal flow was extremely slow and for L.B. Foster just about nonexistent. Things have actually over the last 45-60 days picked up somewhat and there are a few things for us to look at and as we move forward we are hoping to find something that would be a nice match for us in a number of different areas. There are some things now that things have sort of picked up a little bit that we are looking at. Brian [Keeley] – [Kenco]: We heard from previous companies that sellers weren’t willing to sell at market multiples. Do you see sellers are getting more reasonable or is it just that more people are coming to the table?
David Russo
Management
I think it took awhile number one for the new reality to set in. Everybody saw a lot of companies were producing some of the best results and the highest EBITDA that they have ever produced and we were in a very good market 1-2 years ago and everybody was looking for a multiple of 9-10 times their best year ever. L.B. Foster probably isn’t willing to pay that even in a good market. You have to take a lot of things into consideration now. I think multiples are still not terribly low, they are still fairly high but high off of some pretty mediocre or at least lower results coming in by a lot of companies. You have to recognize we are in, I don’t want to say we are at a bottom but we are certainly in somewhat of a trough and buyers have to take that into consideration. There has been a little bit of credit freed up but lenders still aren’t lending to the multiples they were a couple of years ago. Quite honestly we believe that favors strategic buyers to a certain extent as well. I think they are becoming a little more realistic. The deal flow heated up a little bit late July or early August.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers. Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers: Can you remind us when you think you will be done in construction and set up in the JV and when you expect to start realizing some activity there?
David Russo
Management
We expect to have completed the building and installed the equipment by the end of the year. We expect some tweaking and production and manufacturing for about 30-45 days after that. By the end of the first quarter we expect to be up and running. We just hope the market strengthens up a little bit for us. Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers: Would you be able to share with us if you have gotten any contracts or business interest or anything like that?
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
That is going to be for our own consumption primarily. Ours and our partner’s consumption initially. As we bring it along there are a couple of other markets we are going to be looking at to tap into but initially it is going to be for us. There are not going to be a lot of contracts tied into it except for our own consumption. Scott Blumenthal – Emerald Advisers: I remember, if I am correct, you did say one of the reasons you got into this was because this type of product was of such questionable quality you were unable to acquire what it was you thought you needed and so once you were able to supply your own needs you thought there might be a market for it going forward.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
That still holds. Just first foot before the second is all. I don’t think if you are expecting a contract announcement in Q1 that probably won’t occur but it is not just couplings. There are other products we will be looking to manufacture as well as market through that joint venture. That is going to come a little bit after.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from the line of James Bank - Sidoti & Co. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: On the LIFO credit, I apologize, I am writing as you are speaking. Is there more to come now in the fourth quarter on this?
David Russo
Management
Actually L.B. Foster records its LIFO credits on a pro rata basis. We have booked ¾ of what we believe our full year LIFO credits. James Bank - Sidoti & Co.: Probably a little bit more to come, maybe a little bit more than the first half which was roughly $900,000 for the first and second quarter respectively in each but nothing I think that would be as material as it was in the third quarter?
David Russo
Management
The first and second quarter when we were going through that period and prices were dropping those two quarters the LIFO credit wasn’t booked ratably. I think you will see a lot more in the second quarter than in the first and of course as your forecasts moved up you see a lot more in the third quarter as well. Like I said it is based on, of course when we get to year end it is actual so there is no more forecasting involved. So year-end will just be a true up as to what our actual LIFO calculations are. Right now our expectation is a little more.
Operator
Operator
You have no questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Stan Hasselbusch, CEO for closing remarks.
Stan Hasselbusch
Management
I would like to thank all of you for your ongoing support. This is our last webcast of the year. I hope all of you have a wonderful conclusion to 2009. Have a very safe and enjoyable holiday season. Thanks again. We will see you all in 2010.
Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen that concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.