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Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 31, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to Federal Signal Corporation’s Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Felix Boeschen, Vice President, Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Felix Boeschen

Analyst

Good morning. And welcome to Federal Signal’s third quarter 2024 conference call. I am Felix Boeschen, the company’s Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. Also with me on the call today is Jennifer Sherman, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Ian Hudson, our Chief Financial Officer. We will refer to some presentation slides today as well as to the earnings release which we issued this morning. The slides can be followed online by going to our website, federalsignal.com, clicking on the Investor Call icon and signing into the webcast. We have also posted the slide presentation at the earnings release under the Investor tab on our website. Before we begin, I’d like to remind you that some of our comments made today may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to the safe harbor language found in today’s news release and in Federal Signal’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents are available on our website. Our presentation also contains some measures that are not in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles. In our earnings release and filings, we reconcile these non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures. In addition, we will file our Form 10-Q later today. Ian will start today by providing details on our first quarter financial results; Jennifer will then provide her perspective on our performance, an update on our internal initiatives, and provide an update on our guidance for 2024. After our prepared comments, we will open the line for any questions. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ian.

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Thank you, Felix. Our consolidated third quarter financial results are provided in today’s earnings release. In summary, we delivered strong financial results for the quarter with 6% year-over-year, organic net sales growth, double digit earnings improvement, gross margin expansion and a 200 basis point increase in adjusted EBITDA margin. Consolidated net sales for the quarter were $474 million, an increase of $28 million or 6% compared to last year. All of the growth this quarter was organic. Consolidated operating income for the quarter was $75.9 million, up $13.4 million or 21% compared to last year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $93 million up $14.5 million, or 18% compared to last year. That translates to a margin of 19.6% in Q3 this year, up 200 basis points compared to last year. GAAP diluted EPS for the quarter was $0.87 per share, up $0.16 per share or 23% from last year. On an adjusted basis, EPS for the quarter was $0.88 per share, up $0.17 per share or 24% from last year. Order intake for the quarter was again strong, with third quarter orders of $426 million contributing to a backlog of $1.03 billion at the end of the quarter, an increase of $27 million or 3% compared to Q3 last year. In terms of our Group results, ESG’s net sales for the quarter was $398 million, an increase of $25 million, or 7% compared to last year. ESG’s operating income for the quarter was $71.5 million, up $14.3 million or 25% compared to last year. ESG’s adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $87.2 million, up $15.2 million or 21% compared to last year. That translates to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21.9% in Q3 this year, up 260 basis points compared to last year and performance at the upper…

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thank you, Ian. We reported another strong quarter results which included third quarter records across consolidated net sales, adjusted EPS and adjusted EBITDA margin, thanks to outstanding contributions from both our groups. Within our Environmental Solutions Group, we delivered 7% year-over-year net sales growth and a 21% increase in adjusted EBITDA, with higher production levels, strong demand for our aftermarket offerings and continued price realization representing meaningful year-over-year contributors. In what is typically a seasonally strong quarter, ESG’s adjusted EBITDA margins expanded by 260 basis points year-over-year to approximately 22%, a new quarterly record and the upper end of our current target range. With supply chains normalizing, our teams are laser-focused on driving increased throughput across the enterprise and are gaining traction on our build more trucks initiative. At our two largest manufacturing facilities in Streator and Elgin, Illinois, combined third quarter unit production increased 12% year-over-year. Positively, we are seeing both supply chain fluidity and quality improve across our ESG segment which should allow for further production increases and reduce lead times for certain product lines, primarily our sewer cleaners and street sweepers. From a capacity perspective, our access to labor remains good and our large scale capacity expansions that we completed between 2019 and 2022 position us well to profitably absorb incremental volumes into our existing footprint. Shifting to aftermarkets, demand for our aftermarket products and services remained strong as revenues grew by approximately 10% year-over-year. Strength was broad based across our aftermarket portfolio with rental income, service revenue and used equipment sales all up by more than 10% compared to Q3 of last year while part sales were also up 6% year-over-year. Given the high demand for our equipment and rent-to-own offerings, our teams are diligently working to optimally balance equipment availability and used equipment sales to…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we’ll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Mike Shlisky of D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Good morning, Mike.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Good morning, Jennifer. Thanks for taking my questions everybody. I didn’t hear much comment on your rental fleet, your vacuum trucks and other assets that you put out for rent. Can you maybe update us on how that’s been going and have the recent storms been a tailwind for that business? Have you sent any assets to those affected regions and maybe a little bit about your plans to invest in that going forward?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes. Mike, I think it was part of the strength of the aftermarket business that we saw during the quarter, I think overall aftermarket revenues were up 10% year-over-year. That really was driven by growth that we saw in really all four components of our aftermarket revenue streams. That would be parts, rental income, used equipment sales and service. Specifically on rental income, rental income was up 12% year-over-year. A lot of that was driven by the demand that we’re seeing for rentals of safe digging. Used equipment sales also – they were up 15% year-over-year, again, safe digging was a piece there and I think we made reference in our comments to a current – the customers are favoring right now given the higher interest rate environment and given that safe digging trucks, new trucks are one of our higher price point items. I think there is currently a preference to rent or to buy used. And certainly, that’s what we saw during the quarter with the strength of the aftermarket business.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay, all right. Just kind of moving on here. Class 8 vocational truck demand, that seems to be up quite a bit as well from an industry perspective. The first orders, which 1 in 25, they’re coming in, seem to be really close to all-time record numbers. I guess, first of all, is Federal Signal participating in any of that? Are you pre-buying any chassis in advance of emissions changeovers in 27 already at this point? Or do you just see some kind of giant block post a year ahead? Or are your customer order patterns and your order patterns really more normal and in line with the demand you’re seeing for 2025? And perhaps it’s just somebody else who’s placing these very large early orders here. Just any kind of comments on whether you’re looking to secure Class 8 chassis way in advance, given what’s going on in the market here?

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

I’ll start with demand for our product remains high. We talked about our public funded product, which include our Class 8 sewer cleaners was up in Q3, 8%. Sewer cleaners specifically were up 15%, dump truck bodies were up 13%. So, in – we’ve talked about kind of the normalization of chassis buying patterns. And so, we typically, purchase about 50% of those chassis. And we are in the – right now, we are purchasing chassis for next year. With respect to the 2027, the chassis aren’t available at this particular point. But could we see pre-buying based on past patterns? Yes. And we are currently working closely. We have a team that’s led by Mark Weber, that’s working closely with the OEM and their chassis partners in anticipation of these regulation changes. So, we feel like we’re very well positioned as we move forward.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay. Maybe one last one for me, there’s all this talk of ESG margin and SSG expectations coming upward in this quarter’s guidance, but it was actually ESG that actually hit an all-time record for margins in the quarter. Is there anything seasonal or anything you see in the pipeline that would suggest that in the fourth quarter? There’s a step sequentially downward in ESG margins or is – where you’re seeing the last few quarters kind of a great baseline here?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes. I think, Mike, some of it goes back to the strength that we saw in the aftermarket business during the quarter. A lot of the projects take place during the summer months, when the weather is nicer in certainly the northern parts of the U.S. and up in Canada, which is a really important market for us. So as the weather starts to kind of deteriorate later into the fourth quarter and into Q1, that business which tends to have a slightly more attractive margin profile that tends to slow down a little bit. But as we sit here today, yesterday the weather was in the 80s in Chicago. So hopefully that will continue further into Q4.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay, thanks for that color. I’ll leave it there. Thank you so much.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Jacob Moore of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Good morning, Jacob.

Jacob Moore

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I’m on for Steve Barger today. Thanks for taking our questions. First for me, Jennifer, thanks for the color on the industrial versus municipal order trends. If I could dig in a little there. Can you help us understand what’s in the current backlog from those customers where demand is weak versus the rest of the backlog? Has there been any shifts in the backlog for what’s already been ordered and how long do you think this current order trend could run for?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

I don’t know that we’ve seen any dramatic shifts necessarily in the municipal backlog. Obviously, we talked about the lead times for sewer cleaners and street sweepers being longer than we’d like, quite frankly. Those are both municipal products. We haven’t really seen a shift with the extent of that backlog. It gives us really good visibility for those product lines into 2025 and even into the early part of 2026. So, I don’t think we’ve seen much of a change. We did – we have talked a little bit about a shift in the mix of the chassis provided by us or versus provided by the customers. And I think we mentioned in our prepared remarks that can have some impact on our year-over-year comparisons both on orders as well as revenue. So that’s probably the one thing as we think about a change in kind of what’s in the backlog. I would say, the mix of chassis is probably the biggest change.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

And I guess, I would add there. With the exception of the shift from purchasing new hydro excavation equipment to customers now renting and buying used equipment, which we believe is a critical part of our strategy in terms of muting cyclicality. We were pleased with orders as we move forward and it gives us really good visibility into 2025 and even into 2026 in terms of the strength of the demand for our products.

Jacob Moore

Analyst

Okay, got it. That’s helpful. Thank you. Second, for me, you’ve posted really impressive incremental margins this year. 48% this quarter, average 44% for the year. Is it mix that’s driving that or do you have better price in the backlog that you’re producing? And secondly to that, should we be thinking that you can maintain the structurally higher level of incremental margin going forward?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes. I think mix was a piece. Again, we talked about the aftermarket mix and I think that’s obviously a slightly higher margin profile. So that was a component. We saw some normalization of material costs on the SSG side and that was a factor of the margin improvement. But I think as you look at the leverage we had in this quarter, it was probably higher than what we would typically expect over the long-term. And I think over the long-term, if you go back and look at, how we’ve progressed really since 2016, it’s really been in the incrementals have been north of 20%. Again, there is some seasonality to the business during Q3 with the strength of the aftermarket business. Remember, we’ve also added a lot of capacity in the last couple of years. So, as we grow into that, we think that’s where there is some potential from a margin standpoint as we go forward.

Jacob Moore

Analyst

That’s helpful. Thanks. And then maybe a last related one to that. So, I know you’re not guiding to 2025 yet, but given those capacity expansions you just mentioned and your backlog visibility, can we think about the average of the last three quarters this year as the baseline from which you’ll grow in 2025? Or are there any reasons that you’d be running revenue lower than the 485 to 490 range?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes. I think, again, if you think about the averaging that there is seasonality and if you look at the last couple of quarters, Q2 and Q3 tend to be higher because of that strength of the aftermarket business. But we have a goal internally, it’s called build more trucks. And so, our primary objective is to increase production while maintaining that healthy order intake to really reduce lead times. And as we go into 2025, given where the backlogs are, I think that’s going to continue to be our objective. We’ve made some great progress, I think at the two primary manufacturing facilities, on the ESG side, we talked about 12% production increase year-over-year. So, we are seeing the benefits of that initiative. We haven’t necessarily made as much progress to reduce lead times as we’d have hoped. But that’s primarily because orders have been coming in. I mean, for the first nine months of this year, our book-to-bill is still in excess of one, and that’s with some pretty significant headwinds. We talked about the $17 million year-to-date chassis headwind. There’s about a $17 million headwind from two large fleet orders we had on the SSG side. And there’s also an $8 million headwind from last year’s orders, including Trackless. So, if you think about all those things, increasing production, while maintaining healthy orders, that’s really what our objective is. And that will continue as we go into 2025.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

And just looking at our backlog, it’s up 3% year-over-year. It does, as I mentioned earlier, give us good visibility into 2024, into 2025, and even into the beginning of 2026.

Jacob Moore

Analyst

Okay, got it. That’s all, very helpful. Thank you for taking the questions.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thank you, Jacob.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from [indiscernible] of William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Good morning, Ross.

Sam Karlov

Analyst

Good morning, Jennifer. This is Sam Karlov on for Ross. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to get some color on or I appreciate the color on lead times. I was wondering if you just give us some color on what the remaining hurdles are to kind of get those lead times down, whether those are kind of internal or external.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Yes. I would say, a couple of critical things. One is, continued supply chain is much better today than it was a year ago, but we need that supply chain to continue. As we talked about, for example, in Q1, we had a quality issue with one of our suppliers. We worked through that. So, we need not only to get the parts, we need quality parts. Number two is we have a number of internal initiatives, particularly at Vactor and Elgin, because I think we’ve done a pretty good job at the majority of the rest of our business, where we have both maintained high demand and reduced lead times. Because our orders have continued to be strong, despite the fact that production at Elgin and Vactor was up Q3, 12%. We are very focused on increasing building more trucks. We’ve engaged a third party at Elgin, we talked about as part of our Federal Signal operating model. We’re in the middle of that process and we are laser focused on increasing production while maintaining a healthy order intake.

Sam Karlov

Analyst

Got it. That’s super helpful. And then kind of switching over to standard equipment. Did you guys give or kind of quantify what the revenue of that acquisition would look like.

Ian Hudson

Analyst

No, but just to give you some color, Sam. So, standards for the last couple of years, standards revenues have run in the $40 million to $50 million range. The majority of that is from Federal Signal municipal products. As we are – we’re working through integration with our aftermarkets team. We’re going to apply our 80-20 models, so there could be changes to the revenue dynamics there. Obviously, we sold units to standard equipment as the manufacturer, so that will be some kind of balance there. But we expect the incremental revenue contribution in 2025 to be in the range of about $20 million. And we expect that to build over time, particularly as we look to grow that aftermarkets business and also then push additional Federal Signal products through that channel. But overall, we expect the acquisition to be accretive to both earnings as well as cash flow in 2025.

Sam Karlov

Analyst

Got it. That makes a lot of sense. So, I mean, seasonally should we think about, you said $20 million in 2025, so about $5 million in the fourth quarter, or is there some seasonal variation there?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

There’s some seasonal variation. Again, I think it’s somewhat weather impacted because they’re primarily in Illinois and Indiana. So, with weather and being an impact primarily in Q4 and in Q1, there’s typically some seasonality, with Q2 and Q3 typically being stronger for them.

Sam Karlov

Analyst

Got it. And in that $20 million revenue benefit, how should we think about the split between aftermarket and new equipment, how that flows through?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes, it’s roughly 50/50. I mean, they do a really nice job on the part side of the business as well as service. So, it’s a fairly even split between the two.

Sam Karlov

Analyst

Got it. That’s super helpful. I will leave it there.

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Thanks, Sam.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thanks, Sam.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Chris Moore of CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Good morning.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, guys. Good morning. Right. Yes. Maybe we’ll stay with aftermarket for a moment. So, obviously, lots of companies talk about aftermarket sales. One thing, Jennifer that you’ve referenced a few times is this kind of growing ecosystem within Federal Signal that kind of positions you uniquely. I just wonder if maybe you could go into that a little bit deeper.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. So, we think of – it’s important to look at kind of all of the revenue streams of aftermarket. The revenue you need, the rental, the service, the parts and the used equipment. And the hydro example is a good one. Interest rates are higher and so we’ve seen a shift in terms of customers are having a more challenging time affording new equipment that hydro equipment is some of our most expensive equipment that we sell. So, they will favor rentals or used equipment. As we go forward, I think what’s also really unique about Federal Signal and aftermarket is our ability to kind of leverage and optimize that ecosystem. So, as we acquire new companies like Trackless, we have the existing bricks and mortar and distribution channels to increase the sales of their new equipment, of their parts, of their service and their used equipment. Think about it, the same people that buy municipal street sweepers are also buying Trackless equipment. So, it is what is unique and I think will give us an advantage going forward because we’re going to continue to organically grow and introduce new products that we can push through that aftermarket ecosystem. And as we acquire companies, we’ll be able to leverage that ecosystem. And at the end of the day, we’re looking at how do we best serve our customers, how do we have that stickiness with customers. And we tried on the call, in the prepared remarks, we gave some specific examples of successes that we’ve had leveraging this ecosystem. And again, I’d reiterate, it really is what distinguishes Federal Signal is the ability that we have this ecosystem and we have common end customers for many of our products.

Ian Hudson

Analyst

And Chris, I’ll just kind of give some data points on kind of the growth that we’ve seen in the aftermarkets business, really between 2018 and 2023. If you look at our parts sales, it’s grown 83% and our rental revenue has grown by about 32%. So that just gives you an indication of kind of the traction that we’ve been getting on this initiative.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Got it. Very helpful. And since from 2018 to 2023, from a kind of geographic penetration, looks much different?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes absolutely.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Absolutely. And again, as we talked about, it mutes cyclicality of earning streams. So again, that hydro-excavation example, if they can’t afford new equipment then we’ve got rental and used equipment either through us or our valued-dealer partners.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Got it. Very helpful. Switch gears, so order cancellations can be kind of a helpful sign in judging demand and lead times. Just trying to get a sense of what you’re seeing on that front?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes, we haven’t really seen anything significant, Chris, to date. It’s typically not something in our history that we’ve seen. In our businesses, a lot of times on the municipal side of the business, it’s part of a public bid situation. So that’s typically not been – not been something we’ve seen much of.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Got it. And maybe the last one for me. I mean, we talked about this a few quarters ago. Cost looks to be the biggest hurdle for a significant move from customers going towards electrification. Just curious, kind of what you’re seeing on the EV side these days?

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Sure. So, as you know, we’ve got our EV street sweeper products, EV dump truck products, we’ve done a – teams have done a nice job. They’ve got a good working prototype. With respect our Trackless product, we saw a large order that started in Q2 of seven pieces of equipment out of New York and continued into Q3 for our EV street sweeper product. So, we’re continuing to demonstrate that product. We get very positive feedback from the field. The question often is affordability but we believe as we move forward, this is an important product offering for our customers.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Fair enough. I will leave it there. Thanks, guys.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thank you, Chris.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Greg Burns of Sidoti & Co. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Good morning, Greg.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Good morning. Just staying on the aftermarket; given the strong demand for rental, are you constrained in any way on that side of the business? Is there a need to maybe invest more into your own fleet of vehicles and how do you balance that maybe against the need to kind of reduce lead times and like you said, build more trucks?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes, I think, Greg, it’s obviously something we monitor closely and we can – we monitor utilization levels before making decisions about whether to add to the fleet. We talked earlier in the year about an incremental investment of about $20 million going into the fleet for used and rental. That is – that at the time that was going to be second half – second half weighted. And so, I think you saw some of that during Q3, and that will likely continue into Q4. So, we are using production at our facilities, but we don’t necessarily get the revenue or the income immediately on those, that comes up more over time. And so, I think with where we sit today, I think that we feel comfortable at that level, particularly as you think about the strength of the used equipment. So, as we saw, used equipment sales were up 15% year-over-year in the quarter, that creates a need obviously to then replenish so the fleet size remains the same. But I think for this year, for 2024, I think, we are in good shape. And as we head into the planning process for 2025, that’s where we’ll make decisions about how much we need to add to the fleet. But again, our approach really is a multi-pronged approach where we rely on several valued rental partners on the rental side of the business as well.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Okay. And then did you have any production disruptions from the hurricane, the hurricane season? And then also I was just wondering if there has been any change in demand patterns because of the election or maybe any uncertainty going into the back half of the year, have you seen any kind of pause in the business start with a hurricane?

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

I will start with the hurricane. Our service center in Tampa was down for a couple days, but the teams did a nice job in terms of getting back up and running. Again, our teams in the Carolinas just did a fantastic job assisting and aiding many citizens and delivering supplies in North Carolina. With respect to going forward, to date we haven’t seen any impact regarding the election. We did – there is a lot of discussion around tariffs. We called out in our prepared remarks that, you know, less than 5% of our direct purchases are outside of North America. So, we think we’re well positioned regardless of who wins the election. And we often get asked about kind of infrastructure spending. To date it has had minimal impact. We still remain in strong order patterns. There was bipartisan support for that piece of legislation. So, as we move forward, we feel pretty good.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Dave Storms of Stonegate. Please proceed with your question.

Dave Storms

Analyst

Good morning.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Good morning Dave.

Dave Storms

Analyst

Good morning. Just wanted to start with the strong cash position. Are there any growth initiatives that may have been outside of your plans or scope at the beginning of the year that may be becoming more feasible given the strong cash growth on the year?

Ian Hudson

Analyst

Yes, I think, Dave, I think we went into the year with a CapEx range of about $35 million to $40 million and we still think that support appropriate. As we go into 2025 there are probably, with each of our businesses, present their requests almost for capital and the different organic initiatives that they might need for some funding. So, we’ll take a look at that as we go through our planning purposes. Again, that $35 million to $40 million, about – about half of that CapEx of maintenance CapEx and half is growth. Organic investments continue to be a priority for the use of our capital. So, we want to keep investing in those businesses. But I would say there hasn’t necessarily been a change in our priorities or in the projects that we want to invest in during this year. But as we go into 2025, it’s something we’ll take a look at, depending on the business season, depending on the strategic initiative.

Dave Storms

Analyst

Understood. Very helpful. Thank you. And then just one more. How do you feel about your current capacity levels between labor and square footage of processing lines? And maybe how that fits with the current burn rate of your backlog?

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

So, between the period of 2019 and 2022, we added significant capacity. We made a $25 million investment at our facility in Streator, but we also made a number of other investments. We purchased the Elgin facility, we purchased the University Park facility, we highlighted some of the benefits of that in our prepared remarks. We also made capacity expansions at Rugby Lake Crystal for our dump truck businesses. So, we believe right now that we have sufficient capacity to support us going forward. I’d also highlight that with respect to our CapEx, that growth CapEx, a lot of it’s been focused on efficiencies and how do we build more trucks. And we’ve had good success there. So, as we move forward, we are very well positioned to be able to leverage the capacity investment that we have made, both in terms of additional space and the equipment investments that we’ve made to increase our production.

Dave Storms

Analyst

That’s very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions and good luck in the fourth quarter.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thank you.

Felix Boeschen

Analyst

There are no additional questions at this time. I will now turn the conference back over to Jennifer L. Sherman for closing remarks.

Jennifer Sherman

Analyst

Thank you. In closing, as we enter this Thanksgiving season, I want to spend a moment to thank our dedicated employees and loyal customers and our dealers and distributors. Thank you for joining us today and we’ll talk to you soon. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.