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Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Mon, May 2, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Federal Signal Corporation First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ian Hudson, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Ian Hudson

Management

Good morning, and welcome to Federal Signal's first quarter conference call. I'm Ian Hudson, the company's Chief Financial Officer. Also with me on the call today is Jennifer Sherman, our President and Chief Executive Officer. We will refer to some presentation slides today as well as to the earnings news release, which we issued this morning. The slides can be followed online by going to our website, federalsignal.com, clicking on the Investor Call icon and signing into the webcast. We have also posted the slide presentation and the earnings release under the Investor tab on our website. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that some of our comments made today may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to the safe harbor language found in today's news release and in Federal Signal's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents are available on our website. Our presentation also contains some measures that are not in accordance with US Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. In our earnings release and filings, we reconcile these non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures. In addition, we will file our Form 10-Q later today. I'm going to begin today by providing some detail on our first quarter results before turning the call over to Jennifer to provide her perspective on our performance, market conditions and our outlook for the remainder of the year. After our prepared comments, Jennifer and I will address your questions. Our consolidated first quarter financial results are provided in today's earnings release. In summary, we delivered solid financial results for the quarter with 18% top line growth and EBITDA margin performance within our target range despite a slow start to the year. Consolidated net sales for the quarter were $330 million, up $51 million or 18% compared to last year. Consolidated operating…

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you, Ian. During the quarter, our businesses worked diligently to mitigate the impact of ongoing supply chain volatility and increased coronavirus-related disruption that we experienced at many of our facilities in January. As we mentioned on our last earnings call, we were hit particularly hard by an escalation of COVID-related absences in January at essentially all of our facilities. Overall, we estimate that we lost approximately 20,000 direct labor hours across our facilities in January alone. Thankfully, we saw a dramatic reduction in cases in February, which continued into March. After a slow start, we also noted improvement in chassis deliveries within our dump truck business in March. These factors contributed to a meaningful improvement in production levels and customer deliveries as the quarter progressed. Overall, our top line increased by over $50 million year-over-year with both of our groups reporting double-digit revenue growth, including benefits from pricing actions and contributions from recent acquisitions. Within our Environmental Solutions Group, the 20% year-over-year sales increase was partially driven by higher sales of safe digging trucks, dump bodies, metal extraction, support equipment and trailers. Our strategy to diversify our revenue streams by broadening our aftermarket offerings also continued to provide benefits in the first quarter, with tightness in the supply chain and extended lead times for new equipment deliveries, we again saw increased demand for rentals, parts and used equipment sales. Overall, aftermarket revenues for the quarter were up 20% compared to last year, representing approximately $12 million of ESG's year-over-year revenue growth. We continue to be encouraged by the resilience and growth opportunities of our aftermarkets group. Within our Safety and Security Systems Group, the 10% sales improvement was primarily due to higher sales of public safety equipment. With our efforts to expand our supply base and execution of our…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Steve Barger of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Ian Hudson

Management

Good morning, Steve.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, guys. This is actually Ken Newman on for Steve.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Hi, Ken.

Ian Hudson

Management

Okay.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Morning. So my first question is I'm curious, if you could just comment on where price cost ended up in the quarter, and just any thoughts on how we should think about price cost spread that's implied at the midpoint of the updated guidance here?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. Hey, Ken, this is Ian. So as it relates to the price cost, in terms of the absolute dollars, we feel that on a year-over-year basis, the actions that we took last year effectively covered the cost increases that we saw on a year-over-year basis. So that was actually slightly better than what we were anticipating. And the main reason for that was because we were able to ship more than we anticipated on the dump truck side of the business with the chassis flow that we saw in March. So in absolute dollars, it was neutral. Now obviously, from a margin standpoint, there was some pressure created with the inflation that we saw. As we move forward for the rest of the year, we are expecting that to continue to improve as we flush out more of the backlog and more of that shift. So yeah, we are expecting margins to improve as we realize more price going forward.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

And I guess, I'll add there, we took a number of additional pricing actions in Q1, and we should see the benefit of that as we move through the year.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Okay. Yes. So that leads into my follow-up question, which is just given that it sounds like the supply chain is improving a little bit better than you expected on the chassis side obviously, you're implementing more pricing actions and you expect the margins to get better from here. I just wanted to ask about the thought process about not bumping the higher end of the guidance. And just how much conservatism is kind of embedded in the higher end there?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. I guess I'll make a couple of comments. As we talked about, it was a rough January and our performance improved as we moved throughout the quarter. And just is just to remind you, there are two aspects to that for our non-dump truck businesses. We are seeing – the situation is very similar to what it was the last time we spoke. We're getting the chassis that the chassis OEM is committed to deliver to us. On the dump truck side of the business, where we never own the chassis, we are beholden to others, and we did see some improvement in March. As we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we expect in the dump truck side of the business for that to remain volatile as we move throughout the year. On the non-chassis supply chain front, I would say, it's about the same as it was when – speak to you six weeks ago. You can sub in different components – but what's changed is our teams are pretty scrappy and getting better and better at dealing with it. So, given the uncertainty in the market, particularly around chassis availability for our dump truck business, we felt comfortable raising the low-end, and we'll update the guidance as we move throughout the year.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Understood. If I could just squeeze one more in, I think last quarter, you had mentioned this – the thought about the year kind of being a 40-60 split between the first half and the second half. It sounds to me like the quarter came in better than you expected. So is that 40-60 split still kind of in play, or just how should we think about the cadence between the first and second half at this point?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah, Ken. I think – I think that's still a reasonable estimate.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Understood. Thanks. I'll get back in the line.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Felix Bushan of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Good morning, Felix.

Felix Boeschen

Analyst

Hey, Good morning, everybody. Hey, Jennifer. Hey, Ian. Jennifer, I was curious if we could talk a little bit about the sustainability of the strength you've seen in the aftermarket book, again, I think, up 20% year-over-year. You did mention some geographic expansion maybe in that part of the business. I was hoping you could maybe expand on both commentary what happens if new truck production increases? Do we see sort of aftermarket ebb or secular how sticky is sort of this current run rate you're seeing?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

The aftermarket business has a seasonality component to it. Based on – that's really driven by rentals. So I'll start with that comment. So it can vary quarter-to-quarter. But we have a number of strategic initiatives around our aftermarket business. You referred to one of them, the geographic expansion. We're in the process of executing on that over the next quarter -- several quarters, and we're excited about the opportunity that, that presents for the company. In addition to that, we have a number of other initiatives, particularly around used equipment and around parts. We've got a project where we are actually manufacturing certain will fit parts. And although we're in very early stages, it's gotten off to a strong start. So it's also just a super team. And I'm encouraged by the opportunities I see for that group as we move forward. My final comment would really be around the resilience that we've seen over the last couple of years for our aftermarket business. And we think that, that is a critical component for Federal Signal as we move forward.

Felix Boeschen

Analyst

Helpful. And then I was just hoping to follow-up on the chassis supply commentary you made earlier. It sounds like from a dump body perspective, margin ended up being demonstrably better. I'm curious, though, if you could maybe talk about predictability of chassis flow in general and maybe as it relates to your own internal manufacturing efficiencies or inefficiencies because of that. Has that improved at all as the OEMs are talking to you?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes. I think, Felix externally for what we internally refer to as the legacy chassis-based business as we have. So that would be the Vactors, the Elgins. What we're seeing there is that the chassis OEMs are sticking to the committed delivery dates, which helps us run a more efficient manufacturing operation. What wasn't happening last year is that, that was very sporadic, and so that made production highly inefficient. And so for the majority of our vehicle-based businesses within ESG, that is staying on schedule. So that gives us encouragement, and we can plan accordingly. The -- as Jennifer mentioned, the area where we have less control is on the dump truck side where the customer provides the chassis. And so you're absolutely correct. In March, we saw a noted improvement in the flow of chassis. In February, I think, we were getting about half of what we needed to fulfill the demand. That certainly improved in March. April has been on track. But again, I think we're a little cautious in the sense that we don't control the flow of chassis there and one month doesn't necessarily give us that create a trend, but we are certainly encouraged with what we've seen.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yes. I think what I'd add to Ian's comments are for our Vactor and Elgin business, chassis are not contributing -- chassis availability is not contributing meaningfully to production efficiencies. What -- where we're seeing the production efficiencies is all the other components that we talked about hydraulics. Those types of components are creating those inefficiencies in the business.

Felix Boeschen

Analyst

Got it.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

We're getting the chassis OEM promised to us.

Felix Boeschen

Analyst

Thank you. Appreciate it

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Shlisky of D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Ian Hudson

Management

Good morning.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

Yes. Good morning, everybody.

Ian Hudson

Management

Hi, Mike.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

Can I touch first on -- well, first of all, it was great to see this large backlog growth in the quarter. Can you maybe tell us for us, how much pricing contributed to that backlog growth and maybe also to the topline growth in the quarter?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes. So, as it relates to the topline, Mike. If you look at the -- I think we're a little over $50 million of revenue year-over-year, about 18%. Of that, about 11% was organic growth and of that -- about half of that came from price. So, that's the revenue in the quarter and then the orders would be generally in the same kind of ballpark.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

Great. Can I just turn to University Park now. I saw you bought that in the quarter, great stuff. Are there any major projects that have to take place there now you own it, that you couldn't or didn't do before as part of this year's capital budget plan?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

We've got a number of investments that are pretty low level that we're looking at in terms both our University Park and our Elgin facilities. Elgin, as you recall, we bought in Q4 -- focused on improving efficiencies.

Ian Hudson

Management

But Mike, in terms of dollars, nothing of a particular magnitude, I still think we continue to expect our CapEx absent the UP facility purchase to be in the range of about $25 million to $30 million, which is more in line with what we would typically expect. So nothing significant in terms of CapEx required at UP.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

Okay. And no disruptions or shutdowns planned for that facility either, correct?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

No.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then just turning back to the backlog quickly. I wanted to touch on the timing as well. I know you've had great growth. Is all that backlog planned for 2022 delivery? And is the tenure of the backlog longer or shorter than you normally would have?

Ian Hudson

Management

So, not all of it will shift in 2022, Mike. And again, it varies by product line, but we are -- sewer cleaners in particularly, where we've seen some really strong demand we are into -- looking it into the first quarter of 2023. The lead-times are longer than we would like them to be, and we are actively trying to work those down with the challenges and the constraints on the supply chain. But they're a little longer than we would like them to be. So, we are trying to work those down.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

I guess to clarify there, are you hearing from customers that they want to make a multiyear order or commitment to get a better place in your production schedule? Are they looking at the plan ahead further than they have in the past? I'm just kind of curious if people are prioritizing this type of equipment more than they have in the previous years.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

We have very few multi-year orders. As we noted in our prepared comments, we do have certain customers that we believe have placed their orders earlier than they might otherwise because of our extended lead-times. However, we take a close look at demand, and it's really been across the board. And we believe that between the infrastructure bill and the American Rescue Plan, that that will provide kind of multiyear tailwinds for our equipment.

Michael Shlisky

Analyst

Got it. Got it. Well, thanks so much. I'll pass it along. I appreciate it.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Moore of CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Dan Moore

Analyst

Yes. Hi, good morning. It's actually Dan Moore for Chris. Good morning, Jennifer. Good morning, Ian. Thanks for all the color. Maybe start with -- is there anyway to roughly estimate how much margin was lost in Q1 relative to the inefficiencies caused by the supply chain issues, as well as COVID within your plants?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes, it was primarily -- Dan, it was primarily felt within ESG, and you'll see, obviously, the impact on the gross margin that we had within ESG. We were down about 170 basis points. Most of that was driven just from the inefficiencies we had primarily in January, a little bit into February. The other factor would be, obviously, the price cost impacts. And while in absolute dollars, we were effectively neutral on a year-over-year basis, there was some margin pressure created from that dynamic. The other thing that impacts the margin within ESG is we had a higher concentration of chassis that we supply, and that's with our efforts to go out and procure more chassis. We actually had more chassis revenue, which has a dilutive margin impact. So there was about $6 million of additional chassis revenue on a year-over-year basis, which had an impact on the gross margin within ESG. So those are the kind of three main drivers within the margin change that you see in Q1 within ESG.

Dan Moore

Analyst

Very helpful. And then, you mentioned that the 60-40 split between H2, H1 still holds. Any additional color or commentary on just the cadence over the next -- over that time frame, given the various moving parts, including some of the price increases that you're still putting through. How should we sort of think about that margin walk implied in the guidance? Thanks.

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes. I think, Dan, if you look back at the historical patterns driven by some of the seasonality of our aftermarket business, Q2 and Q3 tend to be strong, with Q3 probably being the strongest in terms of the aftermarket business just with a lot of the work taking place in the summer months, strong rental activity. So, we continue to expect that. And then, Q4 is typically strong as well with -- on the municipal side, SSG typically has a strong finish to the end of the year. So, I think those dynamics in terms of the walk for the rest of the year, we would expect similar patterns on the aftermarket business that we've seen in the prior years.

Dan Moore

Analyst

Got it. And then lastly, it doesn't sound like it. It sounds like demand remains strong across the board and rising. But any impact that you can discern from a rising interest rate environment on demand at this point or any of those discussions with customers or is it more about getting as much product as they can. Thank you again for the color.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yes. We haven't seen impact in terms of demand for our customers. And I think one of the factors that differentiates us from others is just, the wide range of our portfolio offerings. So we have -- obviously, we have new equipment, we've got used equipment rentals, which we talked about were really strong. So, strategically, a critical initiative has been that we've got the solution for our customers that we can tailor to their specific needs. And we believe that will continue to prove to be beneficial as we move forward.

Dan Moore

Analyst

All right. Thanks, again. Best of luck for the remainder of the year.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Greg Burns of Sidoti & Co. Please, go ahead.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Good morning, Greg

Greg Burns

Analyst

Good morning. Sort of a follow up a little bit on the chassis. So it seems like your suppliers are able to produce to what they promised. But are you seeing anything in terms of maybe potential for improvement or them to be able to actually increase the supply of chassis to you, or anything in the conversations you're seeing or anything out in the macro or in the industry that would give you hope that maybe you start to see some increase in availability.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yes. Again, I want to divide my comments into two sections. So first, I'll talk about Vactor, Elgin, our legacy businesses, which is a different experience than the dump truck businesses. So the Vactor, Elgin side, as we talked about, we're getting what the chassis manufacturers promise, but we are in allocation. We have been successful in terms of going out and procuring some additional chassis outside the normal channels. So, right now, chassis are not our constraint for those businesses, it's really the other component parts, primarily hydraulics. So if we were to see some relief with respect to those other component parts and hydraulics is just one example, we're very focused on reducing our lead times and reducing our backlogs, because they're longer than we'd like them to be. On the dump truck side of the business, where we don't supply the chassis, we, again, are beholden to our customers and dealers to supply those chassis. And, as Ian mentioned, we saw improvement in March. One month does not make a year, and we continue to monitor that situation. But, again, we are very focused on reducing those backlogs.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Okay. And then -- in terms of the oil and gas market, can you just maybe quantify the size of that business and relate that maybe to the last time we saw oil spike? How big that business got for you at that time? And then lastly, how your business might be better positioned this time around, maybe with some of the new products you have or the stronger aftermarket to capitalize on that opportunity?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes. So in terms of the current contribution, Greg, it's probably -- we'd estimate, it's in the range of $20 million to $30 million of revenue. If you go back to the peak between 2015 and 2016, when oil fell pretty significantly, we estimate we lost about $80 million of revenue and that was primarily when all we did was sell new equipment, and that was largely in the safe digging vehicles. So since that time, we've seen some of that revenue change in terms of shifting more towards rental income and used equipment sales. So we think -- we certainly have seen renewed demand from oil and gas customers on the rental side, there's heavy interest in our safe digging trucks in our rental fleet, which is a large component of our own rental fleet. We've also seen that with our rental partners as they look to replenish fleets with strong used equipment sales out of those fleets. So it's certainly not back to the levels it was at the peak. But in terms of the direction it's heading, it's -- there's some momentum there, albeit, I don't think we'd expect it to get back to the same levels that we saw in 2015 and 2016. And because it's -- the nature of the revenue has changed for shifting from new equipment sales, the more of the rental and used equipment sales as well. A – Jennifer Sherman: Yes. Other products that increasing oil prices can have a positive impact on would include our Jetstream product, our Guzzler products, and a small portion of our SSG products.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Walt Liptak of Seaport. Please go ahead. A – Jennifer Sherman: Good morning.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks. So great quarter. Maybe a follow-on to the last one about the O&G related product. And I think you are number that TRUVAC orders were up 90%, I wonder if you could help us with that. Does that mean it went from like 15 or 20 up to 30, 40. What's the level that we're at?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes. Well, it's more in the $35 million to $40 million range in terms of the orders in the quarter. And again, when we gave those stats that is just talking about the pure play TRUVAC trucks that does not necessarily include the sewer cleaner trucks that I think many of those or the majority of those now of our sewer cleaner orders come with a hydro package. So you can almost use it as a multipurpose vehicle -- so if you look at that as well, those sewer cleaner orders in the quarter, they were up 43%, which is about $20 million of year-over-year improvement. So the combination of those two really an indication of the growth that we're seeing on the safe digging side of things. A – Jennifer Sherman: We also saw TRUVAC demonstration increase Q1 of this year versus last year, which is an encouraging sign also. And then we introduced -- we continue to expand our portfolio of TRUVAC products with the introduction of our trailer trucks product.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. Yes, that's great. That's good to see. What's the price differential between the TRUVAC truck and one of the trailers.

Ian Hudson

Management

The…

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Maybe as a percentage, you don't have to give me a round number, but

Ian Hudson

Management

The trail is light, it's fairly small in terms of the growth -- of the contribution to that 90%. It's relatively small because it's a brand-new product we've just introduced. So it's -- in terms of the dollar amount of that, it's fairly small right now. But we're looking to grow it as we generate more interest in the product. A – Jennifer Sherman: Yes. We introduced it at the WWETT show in February, and we're currently demoing the product and we're taking orders for the product for this year. But we're in very, very early stages on that initiative.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Great. Is it -- I guess my question was, is that half the price of the TRUVAC or three quarters of the price of the TRUVAC for the trailer.

Ian Hudson

Management

It's significant -- well, in terms of the price, it's significantly less than a truck-based product. We're talking more in the 80 to 120 range for the trailer wares, the truck the four size trucks can certainly be multiples of that.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. Got it. A – Jennifer Sherman: It gives us another -- it's a new end market for us. It gives us another opportunity for stickiness with our customers.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then on the point that you made about rental, the shift towards rental for the O&G markets this time around, could you provide a little bit more detail about why you think that is? Are you picking up more rental customers, or is it your rental that's that you're pushing? Like why is it that this time around the service providers will be renting more trucks than owning them?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Well, if you go back to 2016, there just weren't – there are many more trucks available now, the rental business for our products was really in the infancy. So, there are a lot more trucks available both from us and our valued rental partners. So that's an important component as we look at those numbers. We also see this is an alternative. And again, some end customers rent, some end customers want to own but it gives them an opportunity to either supplement their equipment or depending on the nature of the project, it gives them an opportunity to rent to own in some situations.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. All right. Great. And in your commentary about M&A and your -- or it sounds like you've got capital available and you're continuing to build the funnel for M&A. Does the supply chain issues and all the inflation that we've done with it, does that cause you to pause at all on M&A, or are you still just as active as you were before last year when everything tightened up?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yes. I think we've proven to be very disciplined acquirers and we're going to continue to employ that same methodology. But our M&A pipeline is active, and we believe that it will be a meaningful part of our growth story going forward.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. Great. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Steve Barger of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Hey thanks. It’s Ken Newman. Appreciate the follow-up here. I just wanted to follow on to the rental comments just now. I guess I'm trying to get a better sense of what the expectation for rental growth is into the second quarter and to the second half? And specifically, just any color you can give in terms of how much of that is coming from better fleet growth versus higher rental rates? I imagine the time utilization for those fleets is pretty tapped out at this point. But any color there would be helpful?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

There's a couple of components driving it. One, as we talked about, there's a seasonality component typically Q2 and Q3 in the warmer months in the northern part of North America will see higher time utilization and financial utilization. The Canadian market is an important part of our rental fleet and rental fleet opportunities. The second would be the -- we have seen increase in rental rates by both us and our rental partners. And then we have made some additions to the rental fleet and that can fluctuate from quarter-to-quarter depending on how much we sell out of the fleet and the needs of the customers. We also talked about as a critical strategic initiative for the aftermarket group geographic expansion. So that also creates additional opportunities for us.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Is there any way you can quantify just how much of the backlog is slated for the rental fleet versus true third-party deliveries?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah, Ken. The backlog that we cite is all external. We don't include in what we talk about externally anything that's going into our own rental fee.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Understood. And then my last follow-up here is just, kind of, also an idea of just how we should think about your expectations for aftermarket growth at this point? Obviously, it's been very strong given the tight supply chain dynamics. Is there further upside or just how much more do you think you can be flexing on price, just given how tight the supply chain is and whether you're seeing any pushback from pricing pushes on the aftermarket side at this point?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. I think Ken, aftermarket has grown now, Ken, to be about 30% of ESG's revenues, there's potential upside to that. I think certainly, as you look at the demand and the interest we've seen in the rental fleets in Q1, which is typically the softest quarter in terms of rentals, that's been encouraging. The other thing I would say is on the parts side where maybe with the lead times extended -- new equipment lead times are pretty extended. So people are refurbishing their existing equipment, and that's then translated into increased part sales. So parts, which is the largest component of what we call our aftermarket revenues that was up about 14% in Q1 versus Q1 of last year. So I think we'll continue to see a lot of interest in parts as well as rentals and used equipment sales just with the current environment where chassis lead times are extended and so the lead time for some of our own products. So yeah, we may see that tick up a little bit over 30%. And that's really why we believe that this is a very important strategic initiative for us.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Also, I believe that the infrastructure bill will create additional opportunities not only for whole goods sales as we've talked about, but also for our aftermarket group.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Yeah, that makes sense. I appreciate the time.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you.

Ian Hudson

Management

Thanks Ken.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Walt Liptak of Seaport. Please go ahead.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my follow-up too.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Of course.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

I wonder if you could help us with understanding the 2022 guidance and the low end. And so my question is, if you were to come in at the low end of the range, why do you think that would be? Is it because you have like an increase in supply chain problems again for another round of Omicron, what do you think it is that would get us to the low end?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

The chassis situation at TBEI that we talked about, we expect it to be volatile, although we were encouraged by March. So there is uncertainty there. You referenced coronavirus, if we saw something like we saw in January and lost 20,000 production hours that could be another issue. The final issue that we're monitoring that we talked about is given the China shutdown, although we don't have a lot of direct `xposure, the chassis OEMs, if there was another Microchip issue, and we stopped getting the chassis that have been promised to us for our Vactor Elgin and other vehicle-based businesses, that could also be a problem. So all of those are baked into the low end of that guidance.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. All right. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jennifer Sherman for any closing remarks.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

In closing, I would like to reiterate that we are confident in the long-term prospects for our businesses and our markets. Our foundation is strong, and we are focused on delivering profitable long-term growth to the execution of our strategic initiatives. We would like to express our sincere thanks to our stockholders, employees, distributors, dealers and customers for their continued support. Thank you for joining us today. We'll talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.