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Fortuna Mining Corp. (FSM)

Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 6, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Fortuna Silver Mines' Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Carlos Baca. Please go ahead Mr. Baca.

Carlos Baca

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to welcome you all to Fortuna Silver Mines and to our third quarter financial and operations result call. Jorge Alberto Ganoza, President and CEO and Luis Dario Ganoza, Chief Financial Officer will be hosting the call from Lima, Peru. Before I turn over the call to Jorge, I would like to indicate that certain information contained or incorporated by reference in this earnings call including any information as to our strategy, projects, plans or future financial or operating performance constitutes forward-looking statements. All statements other than statements of historical facts are forward-looking statements, the words, believes, expect, anticipate, contemplate, target, plan, intend, continue, budget, estimate, will, schedule and similar expressions identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are necessarily based upon a number of estimates and assumptions that while continued reasonable by the company are inherently subject to significant business, economic and competitive uncertainties and contingencies. Known and unknown factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. We disclaim any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by applicable law. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Jorge Ganoza, President, CEO and Co-Founder of Fortuna. Thank you once again to everyone for joining us.

Jorge Alberto Ganoza

Analyst

Thank you, Carlos, and good morning to all. I am joined on the call today by Luis Ganoza, our CFO. I will initiate the conference call and with assistance of Luis we will be giving a summary and analysis of our operations and financial results for the third quarter of the year. Once concluded, we will address your questions. We have two significant milestones for the company which have taken place in the third quarter and this past month of October. First in September we announced the successful commissioning of the expansion of our San Jose mine and mill, an increase of 60% in throughput capacity growing from our 1,000 tons per day to 1,800 tons per day. And second on October 17th, we announced an update resource and reserve estimation for San Jose reporting an increase of 22% in silver reserves and 39% in silver inferred resources. The jump in inferred resources come at a higher grade and it’s attributable to the early inclusion of drill result from the Trinidad North Discovery with only six months of drilling prior to the resource estimation cross date of July 4. The high grades in Trinidad North zone remains wide open to the north. And today we are currently drilling exploring the extension from underground with one rig and will be including a second one this month. For silver and gold production year-to-date is in line to meet annual guidance of 4.5 million ounces of silver and 23,600 ounces of gold or 5.9 million silver equivalent ounces. Silver produced in the quarter was 1.1 million ounces and 4,500 gold ounces. Compared to Q3, 2012, silver is up by 8% and gold is down by 16%. For Caylloma mine, performance in terms of mills throughput and grade are in line with our budget…

Luis Dario Ganoza

Analyst

Thank you Jorge. We recorded a net loss for the period of $0.3 million, and income before tax of $2.2 million. So just to emphasize that, we actually recorded income before taxes but nonetheless recorded a net loss. The reason for this was mostly the high effective tax rate at our operating subsidiaries resulting in an income tax provision of $2.5 million which gets us into a loss for the quarter. Our income before taxes in the period decreased by $10.1 million when compared to Q3 of 2012, where this decrease is explained mainly by lower realized silver and gold prices of 29% and 21% respectively. Our sales decreased by 31% as a result mostly of lower prices and to a lesser extend as a result of lower gold sold against the comparable period of 25%. The latter is in turn explained by lower gold production and a slight accumulation of inventory in Q3 of 2012. Our mine operating income decreased by 58% driven by the drop in sales, this mainly the effect of sales was partially offset by improved cost performance at San Jose when compared to the previous year. Unit costs came down by 11% at San Jose. And the Caylloma, the significant improvement in silver recoveries also held and partially offsetting the affect of lower prices. Our operating income for the quarter was 81% below Q3 2012. However, here we also had a positive factor helping us offset partially the lower sales. Our total selling, general and administrative expenses were $1.8 million lower than 2012. Around half of this reduction is explained by our cost cutting measures, the other half is related to lower stock-based compensation. In terms of our income tax, as described before our effective tax rate for the quarter was particularly high and unusual…

Jorge Alberto Ganoza

Analyst

Thank you.

Carlos Baca

Analyst

Thank you very much for listening in. We would now like to turn the call over to any questions that you may have. Operator we are ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

Nicholas Campbell - Canaccord Genuity

Analyst

Hey, guys. Just wondering if you can give us a little bit of an indication of how the grade schedule is going at both mines in Q4 and whether or not we should expect to see any sort of deviations from the most recent mine plan from 2014 onwards?

Jorge Alberto Ganoza

Analyst

Okay. Nick, I assume you are asking particularly about gold rates at San Jose. As I stated Caylloma is meeting guidance. But we have identified the San Jose is a bit of annoyed effect which we have not singled out before is to be expected due to the nature of gold. We believe it is in our plans to achieve guidance, in fact we are starting to see in the month of October gold better in line with what we project for the month. We have taken several measures to help us mitigate the liability we are seeing in gold on the short term basis. And I like to stress that we have looked deep reconciliation of our resource, reserve production models to production. And reconciliation is quite good within 10% which for models like these would be acceptable. And we attribute these to changes to local variations within production sound, so where the mine is transiting at a given point. So I can report that in this fourth quarter we are seeing gold closely aligned with 1.6 grams that we forecast for the period in our plan, a little bit of background in the first quarter this year. We saw gold deviating down 9% from our plan. In the second quarter gold was in-line with our plan and this third quarter we had seen gold off 15% in terms of grade as I stated. We do expect we will trend towards to be within 10% which is reasonably to be expected.

Nicholas Campbell - Canaccord Genuity

Analyst

Okay. And you mentioned that you are also assessing on an ongoing basis the potential to further expand the San Jose mine depending on the results at Trinidad North. Can you give us an idea about how, what the limitations are? I understand there are some limitations in terms of water availability in the area and just how is that all going to fit in with the potential expansion?

Jorge Alberto Ganoza

Analyst

Yes. We’ll not see any bottlenecks in the plant, the plant can be easily expandable. We do not see any bottlenecks on the mine. As it is designed today it could be scalable significantly, we have enough power. And water has always been the issue we deal with at this mine. We currently are - the mine was originally designed for 1,000, we developed water sources for a 1,000. Then we designed an expansion to 1,500, we were able to develop sources for 1,500. We went up to 1,800. We've been able to develop water sources that are now good up to 2,000 tons per day. Our water balance is met for up to 2,000 tons per day. And we're currently in the process of implementing additional solutions particularly on the matter of operation control. Our immediate water opportunity is around of operation control. As you know Nick, we store water in our tailings dam, which is a large water reservoir and where we are subject to very high amounts of operation as a result of the large surface area of the farm. So we are in the process of implementing our solution. And if we can control as much as 80%, 90% of operation and that’s still to be seen as we're implementing the solution. The manufacturer claims, we can achieve 90% control. We could have a substantial amount of water available. What we’re saying is that we need 2014 exploration to progress for us to have a better handle on the kind of throughput that we should be modeling for an increase. And also to look at more realistic water balance not just the theoretical water balance based on evaporation control measure that we’re implementing. And bringing those two together, they come up with a plan for an expansion. Additional to the evaporation control, we are looking at potentially new sources of water. As you know we already source water from sewage plant, which is actually (inaudible) it’s been done, it had the great social environmental impact in the area. And there is a second town in the vicinity, where we already have some preliminary discussions and some scope in level of engineering regarding the implementation of Ocotlán sewage plant to draw water from that processing of sewage like we already do. So we have alternatives at hand. We are also looking to implement, migrate from conventional handling of things to haste that would also be an opportunity to get wider level from the tailings. So we have opportunities at hand to think about higher throughputs than the current 2,000 tons per day that we have in our water balance today. So we just need a little time in order to be able to put all of these ideas and initiatives in paper backed by engineering.

Nicholas Campbell - Canaccord Genuity

Analyst

Okay. Just one more question and I will let somebody else ask one. The realized prices that you guys had this quarter were pretty low. I assume some of that just has to do with the concentrated the terms in your selling. How much of it had to do with re-pricing of provisional pricing in a declining price environment?

Luis Ganoza

Analyst

I think you are referring, Nick to the net realized prices we report and these are all really reported based on provisional sales. So they would not include negative adjustments nor positive adjustments from the price or other factors. We did experience a bit of low grade concentrated production at San Jose which affects commercial terms. And that would really be the only driver impacting net realized prices as compared to what we have been reporting in the past and the realized prices we report as well.

Nicholas Campbell - Canaccord Genuity

Analyst

And is that related to the low grade in the quarter or is that something that’s going to happen on a regular basis?

Luis Ganoza

Analyst

No, no it really had to do with a particular event to a quarter. Moving forward in terms of our net realized prices on silver, so as you know considering the actual payable metal and refining charges, our net realized price is around 92% of the actual average prices that we are getting in the market for the quarter. So that’s what we should expect going forward.

Nicholas Campbell - Canaccord Genuity

Analyst

Okay. Thanks a lot, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Thompson from Raymond James.

Chris Thompson - Raymond James

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, guys. Congratulations on the good quarter. Two quick questions one on the San Jose. I understand obviously that we’re going to be, you’re underground drilling I guess two rigs soon to test the underground potential of the discovery there. At what point would you need if at all to get access, surface access to fill the in-fill drilling of discoveries there?

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

Right now we are in a position to carry the exploration of immediate discovery. We are expecting out as much as 250 and 300 meters via underground access. Now all of the Northern extent for the projection of Trinidad North to the North discovered under (inaudible) so there is no output. The only hint of continuity is a small [outlook] located two kilometers away of basically [Trinidad] North expands as a small window within the small island within the (inaudible) that’s two kilometers. We intend to test as much of the Northern extent and just for reference we can start talking about the coverage of this initial two kilometers. To correlate two kilometer extent in any effective manner, we of course would need surface access. The surface property lies within the community of Magdalena. The community of Magdalena is a community with which we have had previous successful negotiations. There has been an election in Magdalena. There is a new municipal and -- in place. And they are taking office in January. We have some early discussions with the new elected officials. They are receptive to the idea of granting us permit to access the surface. And we are just waiting for January for them to take office. So we can engage in a negotiation with them and discussion. In the meantime, all the work that we have to do we can carry from the underground which is an immediate step out from the discovery in an area of 200 meters, 300 meters. With existing infrastructure now we can continue driving that to the North with underground development. To take kilometer away, 100 meters away, 2 kilometers away, of course we would like to do rule that in 2014. And although I wouldn't commit to give dates regarding when we can get a permit, because you guys must know [Oaxaca] is challenging. I do believe that based on previous history, we will be successful in achieving those permits with this particular commitment.

Chris Thompson - Raymond James

Analyst

Okay. I understood. Thanks for that. Just one more question I guess on the cost per ton mill that Caylloma, I mean not see the cost coming down there, so $87 per ton mill is that sort of cost sustainable at that sort of level into the near-term. What should we be modeling that you think?

Luis Ganoza

Analyst

We believe the costs are sustainable. We have gone through the process of optimizing the mine, optimizing the development, optimizing the amount of development and preparation charge to cost to take it steady 1,300 tons per day. And that is one large source of savings and other one was reduction in headcount at this operation of roughly 9% and 8%. So the short answer is yes we believe it’s sustainable.

Chris Thompson - Raymond James

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Lichtenheldt from Dundee Capital.

Chris Lichtenheldt - Dundee Capital Markets

Analyst

Good morning everyone. Just a question on Trinidad North. When you presented the initial (inaudible) you presented a number of call operate scenarios. Can you talk a little bit about your abilities to or based on your early understanding of the discovery, can you discuss your abilities to mine at a higher cut-off of 150 plus further to provide a real sweetness, are there being higher grade and then concerns to the are those lower grade [wins] you had outlined in order to sustain the higher (inaudible)?

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

Yes. That’s a good question, let me elaborate. We did highlight in the release resources at our cut-off of 70 grams because that's in line what we've been introducing in demand deposits, but we did provide a range of cut-off. And there are two ways for you what you can get a sense of what is that we can achieve here. One is just graphically you can go into our sections in the website and the look at and presentation and look at the grade countering and thickness countering of a grade and thickness. What you will see is a very consistent clustering of high grade, the strong purples and red in the countering -- brought. So that's just one physical first class view of how the high grades are deteriorated. And the second one is if you move the cut-off from 70 grams and 70 grams what we record is 1.8 million tons at a silver equivalent grade of 360 grams for 60 million ounces of silver contained. If we move cut-off to 150 grams, we only lose roughly 400,000 tons in term of tonnage, tonnage rose to 1.3 to 1.4 million tons. But grade jumps from 350 to 460 grams and total ounces go from 16 million to 15 million. So we only lose 1 million ounces. So what this indicates is that what we are losing when we move the cut-off in the periphery of the resource. We are currently running durations even though this is an inferred resource and we treated as such we’re internally running durations to see at a higher cut-off what happens when you see that we start getting that spotted [dark] pattern where you see the higher grade dispersing. And what would be sensible to view this as a mining opportunity at…

Chris Lichtenheldt - Dundee Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay, great. So quick follow up on that, if you look at the exploration you are doing now, do you think maybe by mid 2014 you have a more --?

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

The ideas is that we start drilling do in-fill drilling in the first half of the year we advance with inter drilling the first half of the year. We do our resources usually with our current date and if there is some particular sequence practice we use of current date of late June or early July with the purpose of having reserves for the third quarter. So I would expect by third quarter 2014, we have some, we’re in a position to leave production rates from our engineering work.

Chris Lichtenheldt - Dundee Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay. That’s great. And I just have one question and I’ll follow-up with respect to the earlier comments on realized pricing in the quarter. You said 90% to 92% availability on silver going forward, does that include, is that just a payable level and there are further treatment in finding deductions is that sort of your all-in payable?

Luis Ganoza

Analyst

No, just to be 100% clear on that, we report the realized silver price, but we referred to the realized silver price which is very much in line with what most companies have their report. And it's basically the average price other than markets as you realize based on the timing of your sales. We also report what we refer to as net realized price, which is the price after refining charges and considering the actual payable net off out of total net off in concentrate and premium charges of course. So I did say 90% to 91% that's net realized price for silver based on current commercial terms and that's the range we would expect going forward, yes.

Chris Lichtenheldt - Dundee Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay, that's perfect. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from George Shea from Cicada.

George Shea - Cicada Investments

Analyst

Some of the press have discussed a new tax in Mexico, the upper house of Congress is said to have approved the proposal by the government of Enrique Nieto. Does this change any of your plans or do you have to have contingency plans to deal with the possible increase in tax?

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

Regarding to what this tax means to our long-term strategy more than the short term, we continue to be new Mexico, some mining reduction, where we can look forward to grow our business. More taxes just put a higher bar on the quality of projects we look at. We believe that San Jose is a mine and deposit – on a deposit that are both robust enough to still perform quite well under the new tax regime. And again moving forward, we continue looking at Mexico favorably for the development of our mining business. On a relatively basis for our business really no jurisdiction is getting easier. So on relative terms, Mexico continues to be a place we look with good eyes.

George Shea - Cicada Investments

Analyst

Thank you. Are you finding any other opportunities in say Canada or Peru or other jurisdictions that you want to discuss?

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

Well, I can say that we are actively looking for growth opportunities. The Trinidad North discovery clearly provides for company the best growth opportunity and cheapest ounces we can bring to our inventories and to our future production. Our discovery cost per ounce on Trinidad North is negligible, cents per ounce even including the acquisition cost, the $10 million acquisition cost of the concession we paid this year. So the cost per ounce here is going to be measured in cents. I don’t believe there are other places out there where we can acquire those, the quality of ounces on that price. So we will aggressively continue pursuing organic growth now that we have the tiger by the tail of Trinidad. Having said that, we are always looking for good opportunities. We are better suited than before to move faster if we need to when we identify an opportunity and we’re looking mainly in Mexico, mainly in Peru, mainly throughout Latin America trying to stay within the times on always know.

George Shea - Cicada Investments

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [Andy Schopick], who is a Private Investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I have two questions. First, I would like to direct the finance related question on taxes to Luis. Is there anything you are doing to try to mitigate this high volatility in your tax provisions, which is largely unpredictable from quarter-to-quarter? Are you doing anything to perhaps hedge the situation vis-à-vis the Peruvian solve or is there anything else that could be done to mitigate this?

Luis Dario Ganoza

Analyst

No, the answer is really no. I mean as higher the effect of the exchange rate on the income tax provision, there is a component that has to do with the deferred tax which is I would say for all practical purposes of irrelevant. There is a component of course that has to with the actual current taxes and in the case of our operations it tends from the cash balances we carry locally in U.S. dollars. And that effect is real of course. Local devaluation of a currency will increase our current taxes, yes, due to those cash balances in foreign currency held at our subsidiaries. That is something that is manageable more from the side of currency which we’d like to hold though in treasury. It wouldn’t make it much sense to really conduct any large shift in terms of those surpluses we hold locally again and really the devaluation we are seeing even though it hit us on the side of income taxes, it has a positive effect on real cost right. So we in general terms today do not have a national policy in place with respect to hedging foreign exchange effect. We would look on a yearly basis at our cash generation requirements based on capital expenditure commitment and based on that would look at opportunities in terms of securing the minimum cash requirements. If we deemed that foreign exchange presented a risk with respect to achieving those minimum cash requirements to address our local capital expenditure commitment we might consider hedging. Otherwise, we wouldn’t and so far we generally hedged.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for that explanation. And Jorge I just wonder if you could also explain to me, why you are using for purposes of calculating silver equipment ounces and production cash cost. Why you are using the current $23.11 U.S. silver and 14.13 for U.S. gold per ounce. I am not sure I understand how you come to reaffirming your production guidance of 4.5 million ounces of silver and 23,600 ounces of gold based on those particular numbers and why you are using those numbers at this stage?

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

There are two parts to the question. One, I guess is regarding to guidance and the one is regarding to all-in production guidance, and the one is regarding the all-in cost. We reaffirm our ability or plan to deliver the amount of ounces stated in the guidance in terms of silver and in terms of gold. Now the prices we are using for the purpose of estimating the all inclusive cost to a $100 gold and (inaudible).

Luis Dario Ganoza

Analyst

Yes, our revised guidance for (inaudible) is based on $400 gold, price for gold as it affects (inaudible). The silver price is really a bit of relevant to the actual guidance of cash flow.

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

For the inclusive, yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, I'm just questioning, what I see on page two of the press release and trying to understand the footnote, the faster is and why you calculate using those particular silver and gold equipment numbers?

Luis Dario Ganoza

Analyst

We are looking at the reference. Let us that could be naturally a unnecessary footnote and something that should have not been there. So if you allow us to review that and if necessary, we'll clarify that.

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

Well actually say gold price of the guidance.

Luis Dario Ganoza

Analyst

Yes. I mean, we are reporting our cash cost pronounced in terms of our guidance, in terms of with the $1,200 price for gold and our actual cash cost per ounce, our actual cash flows per ounce for the period will reflect the credit of gold, the realized price for the period. So yes, I apologize for the confusion and we need to review that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Very good. All right, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time we have no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to our speakers for closing comments.

Jorge Albreto Ganoza

Analyst

Okay. If there are no further questions, I would like to thank everyone for listening to today’s earnings call. We look forward to you joining us next quarter. Have a good day. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participations.