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FRP Holdings, Inc. (FRPH)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 3, 2017

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Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to John Baker, the Chairman and CEO of FRP Holdings. Mr. Baker, you may begin.

John Baker

Analyst

Thank you and good afternoon everyone. I am John Baker, Chairman and CEO of FRP Holdings, Inc. And with me today on the call are David deVilliers, our President; John Milton, our CFO; and John Klopfenstein, our Treasurer and Chief Accounting Officer. Before we begin, let me remind you that any statements made today, which relate to the future are by their nature subject to risks and uncertainties that could actual results and events to differ materially from those indicated in such forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are made as of today, based on management’s current expectations. And the company does not undertake an obligation to update such statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Additional information regarding these and other risk factors maybe found in the company’s filings made from time-to-time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Highlighting the results for our third quarter was the net income of $25,391,000 or $2.52 per share versus net income for the same 3 months last year of $1,957,000 or $0.20 per share. Driving this dramatic increase was a gain on re-measurement of investment of $60.2 million in the Dock 79 real estate partnership in Washington DC. During the quarter, the project achieved stabilization or 90% plus occupancy of its apartments. As a result of that, the company is now considered for accounting purposes to have control of the partnership without any transfer of consideration and is required to write up the value of the assets and liabilities to their fair market value. Previously, the Dock 79 joint venture was accounted for under the equity method. On the consolidated statement of income, all the revenues and expenses of Dock 79 are reported as net income, including the amounts attributable to the company and our partner MRP Realty.…

David deVilliers

Analyst

Thank you, John and good day to those on the call this afternoon. As John articulated in his opening remarks, we had a busy and I must say, a productive quarter in all of our business segments. Relative to the Asset Management segment, total revenues from our building platform for the quarter just ended were up 3.5% to $7,578,000 over the same period last year, mainly due to higher reimbursements for operating expenses and higher straight-lined rents as a result of our increased building platform and increased occupancy. Net operating income, though, was mostly flat versus the same period last year at $5,614,000 due primarily to the straight-lining effect of new leases, with free rent periods that contained an unrealized rent component, which is excluded from the NOI calculation. We ended this quarter with total occupied square feet of 3,637,236 square feet, an increase of 151,000 square feet or 4.3% over last year same quarter. Our occupancy level increased from the previous quarter ended June 30 to 91.3% from 86.8% and leased square footage from 90.9% on June 30 to 92% at the end of September. As to same-store, the average annual occupancy for the quarter increased 30 basis points to 90.9% over the same quarter last year. And the corresponding NOI for the same period was down slightly to 3% to 5,296,000 from 5,470,000. This decrease is primarily due to several large long-term single tenanted building vacancies, partially offset by income from temporary and the beginning months of new leases as well as higher common area and maintenance reimbursables from an increased and reimbursable operating costs. As to our mining and royalty segment, revenues declined for the quarter just ended over the same period last year by 12% or $251,000 to $1,786,000. This is mainly due to decreases in…

John Baker

Analyst

Thanks, David. Now if I may, we will open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Curtis Jensen with Robotti & Company.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Good afternoon, everybody.

John Baker

Analyst

Good afternoon.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Looking at Dock 79 and the numbers in the press release, is that – I think John said it, but the revenue for the quarter that’s 100% of the rental revenue, I guess?

John Baker

Analyst

It’s 100% of the revenue during the period.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

During the period and FRP’s interest is – your economic interest is still 79% or 77% whatever it was?

John Baker

Analyst

As a result of the, we call it remeasurement, the partnership agreement had an incentive for the development partner, MRP and if they achieved certain financial results in terms of rents and stabilization and timing, then their interest could improve. And so as a result of that, their interest has improved to about 34% and ours is now about 66%.

David deVilliers

Analyst

So that’s what’s reflected in the non-controlling interest income portion of the 19. That’s like that 34% or whatever.

John Baker

Analyst

Correct.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay. What’s the status of like the Salt Line and the other retail there at Phase 1?

David deVilliers

Analyst

Salt Line has been up and operating for about 3 months. It’s doing extremely well relative to their budget. So they are the only one that’s actually operating at the current time. The other ones – the other are under construction. There is a fair amount of tenant improvement work that has to be done and the rest of them, they are looking to open up sometime after the first of the year and probably try to coordinate with the opening of the baseball season in early March.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay. What’s your view – go ahead.

John Baker

Analyst

Curtis, we have got leases on 3 of the 4 retail spaces. And there is a good deal of free rent in those spaces. So as far as having an impact on net operating income, it will be well in the next year before we start getting anything from these retail spaces.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Can you share what a stabilized rental stream would look like assuming you had 100% leased in the retail side or just ballpark it?

John Baker

Analyst

Well, I think the appraisers have used and this is their numbers, David, correct me if I am wrong, that the stabilized retail income will be just under $700,000 a year?

David deVilliers

Analyst

That’s correct. That’s correct, John.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay. What’s kind of a good cash NOI margin on a multifamily building, like Phase 1, I mean, is 65% a reasonable number or I mean, what’s…

John Baker

Analyst

Well, Curtis, what we have – again, what the appraiser came up with was about 67% or 68% of NOI stabilization. So we have got roughly $10 million of rents. So your number is pretty good.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

And how does the partnership with MRP – and then I will turn it over in a minute. I just have couple of more questions. The partnership with MRP on kind of like Phases 2 through 4 and is it the same deal? I mean, there is a different LLC set up and so forth there?

John Baker

Analyst

Phase 2 is the same. Phase 3 and Phase 4 have not been negotiated.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay.

John Baker

Analyst

MRP has no interest in 3 and 4 at this time.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay. And what – is there any update on the Douglass Bridge in terms of anything the city is doing or the status of development, appropriation of funds or anything like that?

David deVilliers

Analyst

Curtis, apparently, the contractor has been named. It’s supposedly a design-build program. So, things should start to happen in the field probably sometime after the first of the calendar year.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just last thing on the mining side given you had some normalization at a couple of locations and Fort Myers is ramping up a little, how do you think about kind of budget, royalties budget for going out the next year assuming no hurricanes or other exogenous events?

John Milton

Analyst

Well, it’s hard to speculate, but what we do expect is that the Fort Myers quarry, by being up and operating, will add about $400,000 to $500,000 of additional revenue through the stream from what we have at this time. So, on an annual basis, if you just took what we end up with this year and add it $400,000, $500,000, you would have this good estimate as we have today.

Curtis Jensen

Analyst

Okay. Alright, thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Carlson with RCS Asset Management.

Richard Carlson

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

On the Dock 79 segment, again, for the quarter, the $2,357,000, did you say that’s gross before your partners’ interest, is that correct?

John Baker

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

Yes.

Richard Carlson

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

Okay. And the – and since depreciation is greater than revenue, so this is not going to have an operating profit for sure for quite a while it appears?

John Baker

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

It will not have operating profit, but it will have NOI.

Richard Carlson

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

NOI. Why it will have NOI? Go ahead, I am sorry.

John Baker

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

Because NOI is a cash measure, whereas net operating profit is – includes the...

John Milton

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

The depreciation.

John Baker

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

The depreciation.

Richard Carlson

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

Exactly. Did you – you didn’t release the balance sheet, so I guess it will be in your 10-Q. Can you tell us the new value for Dock 79 that you carry in the books?

John Milton

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

The appraiser gave us a value of $149.2 million for the land, the building and the leases in place.

Richard Carlson

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

Okay. So it’s kind of a cap rate of pretty low number. I guess it’s the state of affairs there that has huge demand. Those are the only two questions, I have. Thank you very much.

John Baker

Analyst · RCS Asset Management.

Thank you, Richard.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Chen with Rhizome Partners.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Hi, guys.

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Good afternoon, Bill.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

I got a few questions. I was wondering on Fort Myers, you have mentioned that, that will finish mining in 8 to 10 years. When can we, I guess, maybe just one question about many different parts is, what’s the estimated time look like? When we could monetize that asset, the 105 acres and I am assuming that we will sell that in a wholesale transaction to a builder and then just so that I can better understand what that transaction look like in the future?

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

I think your assumption is right, but that’s a long time from now and we will figure out about – road needs to be built and other development done before you could actually sell the lots as finished lots. My expectation is if it was today we would want to sell it wholesale and not do it ourselves, but that’s a long time from now.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Got it. Okay. That’s – on the potential – actually going back to that on that Fort Myer, any sense in terms of if we have to build roads and put all the infrastructure in place, what that cost would be, like obviously, just some sort of ballpark range would be helpful?

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Yes. Well, we don’t have that.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Yes, okay. I will move on. On the re-conversion – I know the rules to convert into really this 90% of taxable income number. So really two parts, one, what’s our cash tax today and then if we do convert it to a REIT, kind of any sense of how much we have to pay out?

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Well, first of all, the tax rate won’t – the tax rate that will apply after we convert to a REIT will be whatever the investor’s tax rate is at the time, because the investors will be paying the tax on the income. We are required to distribute 90% of taxable income.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Yes. So what I am trying to say – what I am trying to figure out there is that, we have lot of depreciation that – the way how I understand is that we have a lot of depreciation that should shield a lot of the taxable income. So, what I am trying to figure out is, if we do elect to become a REIT, it is probably not 90% of that NOI, it is probably – it’s 90% of some number net of depreciation. Do we have any understanding of what that figure is approximately?

John Milton

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Bill, we haven’t gotten there yet. We would do that if we decide to make the REIT election, but we are staying a C-corp at this point in time and we are running our budget numbers based on that.

David deVilliers

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

And Bill, just to elaborate a little bit, if you think about it, our net income today pre-tax, ex the royalties is what we would be paying out. And as you read, we converted the royalties stream so that sum of that would be ground rents, so not all the royalties would be retained. So like you say, it’s pre-tax income, which includes depreciation and amortization, plus probably two-thirds of the royalties would be paid out.

John Milton

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

I think you pay out – you would not pay out the majority of the royalties.

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

You would not.

John Milton

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

You would retain those they would be taxed in the corporate structure. They actually ask you to pay it you would pay out the ground rent portion of the royalties, which would be about 20% of the royalties.

David deVilliers

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

You are right. I am sorry.

John Milton

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Yes. But we are not there yet.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Okay, yes. And then is the cash tax that we are paying today about the same number as what we are provisioning on a GAAP basis for income tax or it’s like is that a number that’s available?

David deVilliers

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Well, if you look at the cash flow statement, Bill, you can see what our deferred tax liability is versus our actual income tax expense. And in the recent year or so, we have paid much less tax than what our tax expenses have been, primarily because of the bonus depreciation on some of the new buildings, including Dock 79 that we have placed into service. But historically, over the long-term, our built-in tax depreciation would be fairly similar.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Okay, okay. Got it. That’s very helpful. And a question on – really, I have two more questions, hopefully, we can go through them. On the Asset Management side, I understand that we have a lot of kind of free rents that we need to get through before they turn into cash NOIs. Anyway you can help me think about what run-rate would be either on a quarterly basis or an annual basis if we go through these free rent phase and get into a actually cash flowing phase?

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Bill, that’s too speculative to answer. We haven’t projected that, I am sorry. But again, we are just budgeting going forward and it would be just as severely impacted by our success rate at re-leasing some of these vacant space today.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Got it. Okay. And then the last question is regard to royalty, in 2016, was there some excess volumes in some of our locations that we don’t have in 2017? I am just – and along that business, in the long run, I am just trying to see if – trying to understand if there was some sort of higher than usual volume last year versus this year?

John Baker

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

And the answer to that is, yes, a little bit in Manassas, a little bit in Keuka and at Newberry.

Bill Chen

Analyst · Rhizome Partners.

Okay. Those are all my questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Okay. Our next question comes from Robert Henderson with Rutabaga Capital Management.

Robert Henderson

Analyst · Rutabaga Capital Management.

Good afternoon. The number you gave earlier, the appraiser’s number for Dock 79 of 149.2, does that refer to Phase 1 or does that refer to the current value of Phase 1 through 4?

John Baker

Analyst · Rutabaga Capital Management.

No, that’s just Phase 1.

Robert Henderson

Analyst · Rutabaga Capital Management.

Okay, good. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Okay. And I am showing no further questions in the queue.

John Baker

Analyst

Okay. Well, thank you all for joining us. We appreciate your interest in FRP. And we look forward to talking to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s teleconference. You may now disconnect.