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Fossil Group, Inc. (FOSL)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 6, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Q3 2019 Fossil Group Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. My name is Adrienne, and I’ll be your operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we’ll have a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. I’ll now turn the call over to Allison Malkin. Allison, you may begin.

Allison Malkin

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Fossil Group’s third quarter 2019 earnings conference call. I would like to remind you that information made available during this conference call contains forward-looking information and actual results could differ materially from those that will be discussed during the call. Fossil Group’s policy on forward-looking statements and additional information concerning a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements is readily available in our Form 8-K and 10-Q reports filed with the SEC. In addition, the company assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Please note that you can find a reconciliation and other information regarding non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call in our earnings release filed on Form 8-K and in the Investors section of our website. Please note, you may listen to a live webcast or replay of this call by visiting www.fossilgroup.com under the Investors section. Now, I would like to turn the call over to the company’s Chairman and CEO, Kosta Kartsotis.

Kosta Kartsotis

Analyst

Thanks Allison. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. I will provide a few prepared remarks and then turn the call over to Jeff Boyer, our Chief Financial Officer to provide a financial update. I'll close the call with a few comments and then we will have Greg McKelvey, our Chief Commercial Officer join us for the Q&A. Let me begin with key trends we're seeing in the marketplace and then comment on our third quarter operating performance. The challenging consumer environment in the mid-priced fashion watch category continued in the third quarter. We faced difficult top line sales trends in our more developed markets, particularly in the wholesale channel, with growth in emerging markets continuing to strengthen. We delivered double digit growth in both mainland China and India, with the growth was more than offset by double digit declines in traditional wholesale in the Americas and Europe, which was the primary driver of our overall sales decline in the quarter. Over the longer term, we will continue to invest in our emerging market opportunity and expect our India and mainland China businesses will continue to deliver double digit growth. We continue to deliver on our strategic initiatives in our direct-to-consumer business and deliver solid growth across the globe in the e-commerce channel. In total, the e-commerce channel, including both our own sites and third party e-commerce sites delivered double digit growth in the quarter, building on our investments in this critical channel. This past quarter, we saw the benefits of our segment and assortment approach to the online channel and launched our new cloud based web platform to support our e-commerce efforts. In addition, we continue to add buy online, pickup in store and ship from store capabilities to our major e-commerce sites. We're also…

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Thanks Kosta, and good afternoon, everyone. Turning to third quarter performance. Sales decreased 11% to 539 million in the quarter and decreased 10% in constant currency. Third quarter sales were negatively impacted by less off price and liquidation sales this year, store closures and license brand exits. Excluding store closures and business exits, which were roughly a 200 basis point headwind, underlying core sales declined high-single digits consistent with our second quarter performance. In the quarter, we continue to see strong growth in Asia, where sales grew 9% compared to last year, or 11% in constant currency. Performance in Asia was driven by strong double digit growth in mainland China, India and Korea, partially offset by declines in Japan. Offsetting this growth, where the Americas and EMEA regions, both of which declined double digits. While core sales in the direct channel in Americas and EMEA have been stable. The traditional wholesale channels in these regions continue to decline at a high double-digit rate. Overall sales in the Americas declined 18% in the quarter, driven primarily by the wholesale and off price channels. The selling performance was roughly consistent with sellout trends in wholesale. In addition, as expected, a lower level of connected liquidation product also contributed to the decline. Sales performance in Europe declined 16% for the quarter, and 13% accounts in currency, driven by the wholesale channel as most geographies declined. Within our direct-to-consumer business, our overall retail comp sales for the quarter decreased 2%. While full price comps were down high-single digits in the quarter, outlook performance improved a positive comp in the quarter, driven by traditional watch. And our Fossil e-commerce comps were also up double digits international. Overall sales in the direct channel decreased high-single digits in the quarter, largely driven by store and concession closures.…

Kosta Kartsotis

Analyst

Thanks, Jeff. As we close our prepared remarks, let me take a moment to reiterate a couple of items. As I said earlier, our most critical mission is to change our overall sales trend while continuing to improve profitability over the longer term. As we enter the important fourth quarter holiday season, we’re excited about the innovation and fashion and technology that we’re bringing to market across our categories. We’re also excited about the investments we’re making in our emerging growth markets, our direct consumer initiatives and our digital capabilities. We continue to manage costs in order to improve profitability and are highly focused transforming the company to unlock our significant potential for future growth. And we continue to believe in our long term opportunity to change the sales trend and improve profitability. In the very near term, our entire organization is focused on delivering exciting new products and stories to consumers as we enter the holiday season. And now, we’ll turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Edward Yruma from KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Edward Yruma

Analyst

Thanks so much for taking my questions. I guess first, on the trajectory of the smartwatches, I know you gave the number, I think it was mid-single digit X the liquidation, but I guess kind of if your thought process is at the smartwatch businesses growing and the industry 20% a year, I guess kind of why do you feel like you’re going below the growth rate? And then second, obviously big announcement out of Google, kind of what’s the implication of their acquisition to your business? Thank you.

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Ed, this is Jeff. I’ll probably start with part of the question and then I’ll turn it over to Greg to answer. I’ll give you some color on the category as well as the Google Fitbit acquisition. In terms of a smartwatches, we’re really pleased with Gen 5, and how Gen 5 is doing. It’s doing really well. What we have seen is a bit of a slowdown in Gen 4 and the older model products probably a little bit unexpected for us overall. And we think that our pricing differential given the value we have in the Gen 5 is probably held back some of that. So, we’re going to do a little bit of fine tuning on our pricing levels between the old Gen and new Gen. We think we’ll return to that double digit growth rate as we enter into 2020 with the products that we have. So, very excited about what the category is doing, what the growth is happening in there and our ability to participate in there. You heard Kosta say, we also introduced the hybrid HR today, which is going to, we thinking to do very well as we go to the holiday season next year. I’ll turn it over to Greg to give more color as well as comments on the acquisition.

Greg McKelvey

Analyst

Yeah, I think actually on the results, that’s pretty good explanation around. We lean into that sub 199 price point with a lot of inventory and it’s just slower moving. What we found out was actually invalidated was that, there’s a high desire and consumer willingness to pay for the latest technology, especially given the proprietary features of extended battery life mode, iPhone compatibility, including voice calling. So, we just didn’t position quite enough of our inventory and our space allocation there. So, we’re working to correct that. But so far, the reviews and the performance on the new tech launch with Gen 5 is doing very well and as a great lead in indicator. Early reads on the Fossil Brand, hybrid HR launches well, same thing we think it’s exactly the innovation in that hybrids need as a category to increase awareness and bring interest to the category. So, really bullish there. And then on your – the third leading indicator really is what you mentioned around the Google and Fitbit merger or the acquisition of Fitbit by Google, we want to be sort of really clear about a few points here. First, we are very supportive of this acquisition and not only think highly of what Fitbit has built overtime, but really think that the combination of the two companies will result in a significant leap forward in great products for consumers across the world. We also think that it’s great signals Google’s commitment to helping develop the wearable’s category, and the partner ecosystem that we’re a part of. So, we see it as just a great leading indicator again of the potential of the business for us. That really enhances the platforms and the capabilities that we’re now bringing to the table and evidenced by the new product launches that we’re taking the market right now.

Edward Yruma

Analyst

Great. And one other follow-up. Obviously, Michael Kors is a big brand. Within the licensed portfolio, there were some comments obviously by them yesterday. I guess just, kind of thinking through the performance of the brand within your portfolio I guess any comments and maybe efforts that you can continue to do to restart growth? Thank you.

Greg McKelvey

Analyst

Obviously, the Michael Kors business has been declining for a couple years. And it was over the last several years by far the largest license watch business out there, largely female, very explosive and still maintains a very significant share, still very strong. And we are currently putting a lot of new ideas, materials, innovation, additions and drops into the market. We have a big opportunity, especially in Asia, as China, India and other markets in Asia become more developed because the Kors business is relatively small over there. And we do have a significant opportunity with wearables. That is a very significant long term opportunity as our product gets better, the technology gets better. The new hybrid HR product for example, with a two week battery life could unlock a significant number of consumers who love technology connectivity, don’t want to charge up watches every day. So, we’re going fast and hard and doing everything we can to continue to drive awareness and growth in all our categories and especially Michael Kors.

Edward Yruma

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much, guys.

Greg McKelvey

Analyst

Thanks, Ed.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Dana Telsey from Telsey Advisory Group. Your line is open.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. As you talked about the older generation watches and the performance, what percent of inventory do you see that being in, and how do you scale that down? What do you expect from that category overtime and what does it do to margin going forward? Thank you.

Kosta Kartsotis

Analyst

Yeah, Dana, good question. You just heard Greg talk a little bit that we’ve probably leaned a little bit more on the Gen 4 in this sport product than we did in Gen 5. And so one of the reasons you see a little bit more promotional impact on our margin going into Q4 is to move through some of that Gen 4 product on it. It’ll probably affect us a little bit into the first half of next year but not major. This is not a major situation inventory. I would tell you that our inventory level overall is good quality, good quality traditional product on a good quality on the Gen 4 as well. So, looking for minor promotional pressure as we move through the inventory, but nothing major at all on from that standpoint.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

And then just to follow-up on the wholesale channel. What do you think from the wholesale channel globally, both in North America, Europe and then in Asia? And how’s business been over in Hong Kong for you?

Kosta Kartsotis

Analyst

I see the wholesale channel, we commented on it, that it’s toughest in Americas. It’s a little bit less worse in Europe. And actually, it’s pretty strong in Asia, particular driven by China and India, are also this is very good there. From a Hong Kong perspective, it’s not a significant business for us overall in the mid-price fashion watch business on it. So, we’re not seeing a huge impact. It is being impacted by the activities there, but not having a global impact on us, given the size and scale that we have in Hong Kong.

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Yeah, I would like to add a little more commentary there too. You know the traditional wholesale channel, particularly in the U.S. remains our biggest drag. I just want to say though, we’re in really productive conversations with our wholesale partners on how to improve and drive this business. There’s a lot of innovation we’re continuing to bring in Q4 that we’re excited about. You’ll see new colors, materials, design concepts, and traditional across our brands. And in leaning into the new tech, we talked about with Gen 5 and with hybrid HR. So, we’re doing everything we can short term to bend the trend. But each of these companies are really going through their own pivots around how they’re trying to compete, increasingly online and mobile experiences that allow them to convert online but also drive traffic into stores. And so as they’re pivoting their models, we’re working really closely with them to make sure that we’re matching what their needs are and helping them drive their business. So, we want our products and our best brands in their stores, but also in their online environment to make sure that collectively it works.

Greg McKelvey

Analyst

I would also add that our wholesale business globally is largely traditional watches. And we actually saw in the quarter sequential improvement in the traditional watch, not as much as we like, but it’s a sequential improvement. And we’ve got more new ideas, product limitation drops coming in the next three months and we’ve had in our history. So, we’re pulling out the stops, and we’re doing everything we can to drive as much business as we possibly can on traditional, especially in our wholesale channels.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

Thank you.

Kosta Kartsotis

Analyst

Thanks, Dana.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Ike Boruchow from Wells Fargo.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Jeff, is there any chance you could clarify on the Q4 guide? What’s embedded on the traditional watch run rate in the wearable growth rate or decline?

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Yeah, probably not given quite that explicit guidance around those two numbers. I would tell you that the underlying trends that we have in the display watch, excluding the liquidation is pretty consistent. And I’d say that actually the trend right that we have on traditional is also fairly consistent. No major changes there and their underlying trend, right. So, the chemistry had about, traditional been down single digit sequential improvement that we’ve seen in it will still continue into the fourth quarter, we’re not seeing that change even though the way we have in wholesale. And then the connected product display watch should be mid-single digits positive excluding the liquidation. That was the final liquidation we had in the fourth quarter.

Greg McKelvey

Analyst

And if I can add a little context on that too, by Q1, we will be fully on our sales force marketing in commerce clouds, which is a great signal again for our potential what we accomplished as we’re moving our business model to being increasingly digital and increasingly data driven, and making the consumer at the center of everything that we’re doing. So increase personalization, increase targeted marketing and great returns on the investments, all with social marketing to support on new product launches. So, all of that combined, we feel like by Q1 is going to come together and really help us drive the omnichannel worth we need.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst

Got it. Another question, just want to make sure I understood this. So, I think, Jeff, you commented $10 million impact for tariffs in Q4. I know you’re not commenting or giving guidance for next year, but help me understand it. Did you say that its equal 2020 would have an incremental $5 million to $10 million? And I guess if that is what you said, can you help me understand how Q4 could be $10 million but the wraparound to next year would only be $5 million to $10 million?

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Good question. Largely – your math is right in terms of the incremental amount that we’re getting into Q4 as well as what is going to impact us in next year. $10 million in Q4 net number and 5 million to 10 million next year incrementally. The big issue is our timing of offsets and things what we can do. The tariff hit us in early September, there’s only so much we could do from a sourcing change in our supply chain on it. So, we got the bulk of the, I guess I’d say, impact in the fourth quarter for that. We have more runway room to make some changes from our manufacturing sourcing as we get into next year, able to mitigate that to a fair degree. We also got some benefits from some regulatory rulings as well, which took some of the pressure off as well. So, between some regulatory interpretations and some of the tariffs as well as some sourcing changes, we could make – offset more of the gross amount impacted in 2020. So, your math is correct, and your logic is fair as well. That’s the underlying factors affecting it.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst

Got it. Last one, Jeff, can we get a CapEx, any number from you for this fiscal year?

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Our CapEx number between 20 and 25. And what was other interest?

Ike Boruchow

Analyst

D&A?

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

D&A, 60 for D&A.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst

Got it. Cool. Thank you very much.

Jeffrey Boyer

Analyst

Okay, thanks, Ike.

Operator

Operator

Yeah, this concludes the question-and-answer session. I’ll now turn the call back over to management for final remarks.

Kosta Kartsotis

Analyst

I just like to thank everybody for dialing in for today’s call. And we look forward to updating you on Q4 results in February next year. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect.