Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the FormFactor, Inc. Fourth Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time [Operator instructions]. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jason Cohen, General Counsel. Sir, you may begin.

Thank you. Today, the company will be discussing GAAP P&L results and some important non-GAAP results intended to supplement your understanding of the Company's financials. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP measures and other financial information are available in the press releases issued today by the Company and on the Investor Relations section of our Web site. Today's discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Examples of such forward-looking statements include those with respect to the anticipated effects and benefits of the completed merger between FormFactor and Cascade Microtech, projections of financial and business performance, future macroeconomic conditions, business momentum, business seasonality, the anticipated demand for products, customer requirements, our future ability to produce and sell products, the development of future products and technologies, and the assumptions upon which such statements are based. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed during this call. Information on risk factors and uncertainties is contained in our most recent filing on Form 10-K with the SEC for the fiscal year ended 2016 and our other SEC filings, which are available on the SEC's Web site at www.sec.gov and in our press release issued today. Forward-looking statements are made as of today, February 7, 2018, and we assume no obligation to update them. With that, we will now turn the call over to FormFactor's CEO, Mike Slessor.

Thanks Jason. And thank you everyone for joining us today. I'd like to start by spending a few moments reviewing the significant progress FormFactor made in 2017. Our worldwide team produced great results throughout the income statement, growing revenue by over 40% to an all-time record, demonstrating the leverage inherent in our operating model by more than doubling non-GAAP earnings per share, and generating more than $0.50 of GAAP earnings per share. From a business perspective, we further diversified and increased our served customer base, highlighted by the adoption of our differentiated MEMS probe technology for testing of a major 10 nanometer integrated standard packaged mobile processer. This outstanding performance is the result of the scale and diversification we have attained by growing our businesses and successfully integrating FormFactor and Cascade Microtech. And with this performance, we demonstrated the first steps towards achievement of our target financial model. For the fourth quarter of 2017, revenue of approximately $132 million exceeded the midpoint of our guidance but gross margins were below expectations. While we are disappointed to have missed the midpoint of our fourth quarter gross margin guidance by over 2 percentage points, we are pleased the continuing operating expense discipline enabled us to meet the lower end of our non-GAAP earnings per share guidance range. Several factors contributed to the gross margin miss, with the most significant gain gross margins in our system segment to nearly 10 percentage points below recent levels. In the systems business, we determined in Q4 that we could see future growth and gained competitive advantage in the emerging silicon photonics area by placing subsidized penetration systems at two industry research consortia and at leading manufacturers. As an example, one of these placements is in new tool that enables the next phase of silicon photonics test…

Thank you, Mike and good afternoon. As Mike mentioned, I will be retiring from FormFactor on March 2nd. I have been privileged to serve as CFO the past seven years and work as part of the team with so many outstanding dedicated employees to transform the company into a profitable entity, taking advantage of several demand drivers shaping the test and measurement eco-system. I would like to thank the Board of Directors, Tom St. Dennis and Mike Slessor, for allowing me to serve in this capacity and to also say thanks to those of you in the financial community to have worked with over the years. 2017 results were proof point of the benefits of successfully executing the inorganic growth and diversification elements of our strategy. We grew revenue 43%, increased non-GAAP operating profit margin by 8 percentage points to 17.7% and increased non-GAAP diluted EPS by 147% to $1.21 per share. In addition, we achieved GAAP EPS of $0.55 per fully diluted share and generated over $72 million of free cash flow. As you saw from our press release and heard from Mike’s comments, we generated mix results in the fourth quarter with revenues above the midpoint of our guidance, but gross margin below our guidance range. Good operating cost control allowed us to deliver non-GAAP EPS at the low end of our guidance. FormFactor’s revenues for the fourth quarter were $131.9 million, down 8% from the third quarter. Probe card segment revenues of $107.2 million decrease 10% compared to the third quarter, while system segment revenues of $24.7 million increased slightly compared to Q3. Within the probe card segment, foundry and logic revenues of $68.7 million decreased 16% compared to our third quarter. The decline was attributable to an anticipated revenue reduction from our largest customer as they…

Thank you [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Tom Diffely of D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

First of all, I'd like to say farewell to Mike Ludwig, it's been a pleasure working with you for seven years, and you will be missed.

Thanks Tom

Now some hard financial questions. When you look at the NOLs, how much of the NOLs were used up in 2017 and then once they are used up, where would your tax rate be?

So we used approximately $50 million of NOLs in 2017. We started the year at about $295 million of NOLs and I think, we said that we have about $244 million as we enter into 2018, so about $50 million. And once we utilize and we expect probably -- but the forecast obviously hard to say, but we think in the early 2020s, it’s probably when we will utilize the remaining NOLs. And at that point in time, we would expect our non-GAAP effective tax rate probably to be in the mid 20s I think, is about the right answer. Obviously, we’re still studying that but, somewhere in the mid20s right now, make sense Tom.

And then when you look at those low margin systems business, so I was little unclear. Was that churns business in the quarter itself, or did the pricing change in the quarter? I am curious how it wasn’t officially captured in the guidance run into the quarter?

Tom, there were a few opportunities that were turned in the quarter. As Mike Lugwid described in the prepared remarks, there was also one significant one where we accelerated revenue recognition, because of the change in the standard. But I want to return to the penetration of that application represents one of the really significant growth areas for us along with micro LED in our systems business. And these are opportunities where we get to work with, leading consortia like in Imec to place the system and then view the fundamental test development for these emerging applications. So we view them as things when the opportunities emerge, we jump on them. There were a couple, as again Mike Lugwid said, that we had already shipped but accelerated the revenue recognition, so that we didn’t have any issues crossing the year boundary with the change in revenue recognition standards.

So this is for end markets, like VCSELs or something that where you expect pretty high volumes to utilize your technology?

Yeah, I think VCSEL probably a sub-example, some of the other ones are things like different modulators and switches that are going to end up in datacenters to drive higher data rates, so a variety of electro-optical applications. These ones pretty focused on the next generations of switches and modulators.

And then finally you talked about a new opportunity at the 7 nanometer node. When do you think that actually goes to production, what would give you some more scale?

So we highlighted that we were beginning the ramp of a major 7 nanometer mobile applications processor that’s packaged with integrated fan-out advanced packaging. If you recall a little over a year ago, that represented a big uplift to the middle of our year as we penetrated one of the last major foundries that FormFactor had not been a supplier to. So we see the same theme happening here in 2018. I think the good news for FormFactor is we’re in earlier having established a good track record in the initial engagement last year. And we’re reasonably confident we’re going to be able to grow that business this year. From a timing perspective, we are shipping some of those initial units as we speak in the first quarter, which is a little bit earlier than we were last year, expect that will ramp through the second quarter and have some volume even in the third quarter. Obviously, the tail end of that volume is pretty significantly driven by overall handset forecast. And obviously there has been a bit of noise around that recently. But the front half of the ramp were all the preparations in the supply chain are going to drive the capacity or going full speed ahead at this point.

Our next question comes from David Duley of Stealhead. Your line is now open.

I guess the first is on your largest customers, 10 nanometer ramp, I guess they pushed it out again as you've indicated. And I'm wondering you talked about a strong second half, but how should we think about the second quarter. Will we see an increase in that business in Q2 and then a much bigger increase in the second half, or will it remain flat and just spike in the second half?

I guess a couple of points. One is I want to make it clear that I am not making any comments about that customers’ 10 nanometer ramp, but instead talking about their demand for production probe cards for us, so that's the first point you get across. Clearly, those two things are linked. But given the lead times we have of approximately half a quarter, obviously we need to be very responsive to this, both on the upside and the downside. Now, as we move to timing of this, as I said in the prepared remarks, we are monitoring managing the situation very closely especially given the recent changes that we've had that we first started to update you in early January about. There have been no changes to that information in the trajectory. But in sum total what it means is we expect a very light Q1 from that customer as evidenced from our guidance. The currently available information, both direct forecast narratives around the forecast and triangulating things like process equipment installations, all indicate that this ramp will start in the second quarter. So it's not going to be a step function up in the second quarter, but we see it building in the second quarter. And then again, those pieces of information are consistent with us getting to new record levels in the second half. But obviously, I want to reiterate for everyone. This is a situation that there is significant managements and monitoring given that we've, from a efficiency standpoint, driven our lead times down to approximately half a quarter so we can be responsive and reduce our cost. So the flip side of that is you don't have a lot of direct forecast visibility. And fundamentally as Tom mentioned on the first part of the call, we're running a terms business here.

I guess, one more question on this particular topic. Is there any other things that you can do as far as operationally to when customers, large customers change their demand forecast on you that you can mitigate the circumstances a bit more. Can you take the positives or is there anything else that you're contemplating to help you smooth these events out?

I mean, I think the first action we continue to take and continue to drive towards is the diversification of our customer base and market drivers. We made good progress in that obviously with the acquisition of Cascade Microtech. With getting ourselves qualified as world's largest foundry in 2017 and driving and growing that business, that's another element of it. I think we want to be careful to understand the demand profiles associated with each of these customers and work with them on the different commitments to support their ramps. But we're in an industry that obviously has some very significant short term flexibility required of it. And I think that the solution for us is really to continue to grow and diversify our businesses, both organically and through M&A, so that we don't have any one customer that represents 30% of revenues that can cause such a material impact on a single quarter.

And then on a different topic. I was wondering, as you've talked about this on previous calls, but maybe just highlight for us how you feel your position in China for the upcoming memory ramp. And I guess more important for you guys is obviously on the DRAM side. And then are you --could you share with us how many overall DRAM fabs you might be tracking the shelves or being built up or facilities that are being put in place that could be facilitized at a later date in DRAM not just in China but outside of China.

So the later one is probably a question I got to get back to you on. The major one that we're tracking that will impact capacity here in 2018 is one of the Korean facilities. But if I try and enumerator all the China fabs, I'll get mixed up giving our lives, so let me get back to you on that one. Our position in China. So we have been a supplier with the significant China footprint for a little more in the decade now. It started off with some of the domestic U.S. manufacturers moving operations over there. And we were supplier to those people and had to offer local support and design and repair for probe cards. And so we built on that footprint. And taken advantage of the FormFactor Worldwide brand, especially in DRAM but we do see some opportunities in flash as well. And the team in China working with our U.S. team has done a very nice job in capturing a lot of those initial designs. Our view is its still very early innings in those product ramps. Obviously, the signal you'll see first is from some of the big equipment companies as they start to shift significant volumes into China. And in a situation like that, I'd expect probe card volume to follow two to three quarters later; one, because this is a bit of a new yield ramp for all of those China memory manufacturers; and so it's going to take them a while to get their yields fixed. But if you think about what a probe card is, it's a design specific consumable tie down the assets and the each design before we see significant probe card volume. All told that probably puts it close to the end of this year at the inside, but we feel like we're in a solid position as the initial development work and initial path finding work starts.

Our next question comes from Craig Ellis at B. Riley. Your line is open.

Thanks for taking the question. And Mike Ludwig, good luck as you move on to other things. It's been a pleasure working with you and appreciate your help.

Thanks Craig, appreciate it.

Just want to start with gross margin and make sure I understand the different dynamics that are play in the fourth quarter and first quarter. So I think if I heard correctly and I got on the call little late is that, there was a probe card issue that was about two-thirds of the variance, which was 270 basis points in total. There was a systems issue that was about 35% of that; one, is that correct; and then two, do those issues resolve in the quarter or are they impacting the gross margin guidance that we see for the first quarter. And if so, to what degree relative to the issues that we're seeing with your largest customer?

First, let me address the Q4 gross margin miss. And I would actually say that the majority of that was from the systems business, not really the probe cards business. And again, as we talked about on the call, it really was driven by probably a couple of things on the system side; one with the placements of some -- and strategic investments that we made with both some institutions and some customers regarding silicon photonics investments. So that was probably the major driver and I think Mike spent some good time talking about that. That was part of the major driver from a systems perspective. The other things impacting systems would be the product mix with our thermal subsystem business and then again, to a lesser degree, but still some impact would be from continuing strengthening of the euro. Now going forward, I would say that the issues and what we talked about is we do expect that the systems business will get back to a high-40s to low-50s non-GAAP gross margin in the first half of 2018. So what I will tell you is that the strategic investments that we made in silicon photonics really were more onetime investments. Doesn't mean we wouldn't make similar investments somewhere down the road with other applications. But at this point in time, we don't see any of those opportunities or impacting us at this point in time. So from a systems standpoint, when we look at Q1 we see that getting back into the high-40s. And as we move throughout second quarter depending on the strengthening euro could be even back into the low-50s. So nothing that we think really interrupts our financial target model as it relates to the systems business. On the probe card side, I would say it was a lesser degree in the fourth quarter, and what really impacted the probe cards business was two things; a little less foundry and logic business. So as we've always talked about there are really three areas that could impact or three items that impacts the probes; one is mixed, one is volume and the other one is manufacturing execution. In Q4, we had -- the mix was lower on foundry and logic. And it was low with respect to volume of transactions therefore -- or the volume going through the factory. Therefore, those were the two primary items impacting. And I think those two items will continue to impact us in Q1, primarily related to our largest customer.

So is it fair to say as we look at the -- I think its five items in total that we have there that those are significant. Your largest customer is going to be the predomination in 1Q. And then it's really the -- there 10 nanometer ramp that determine the degree to which that add issue in 2Q. And you mentioned 46% target model. Can you just walk us through how we can think about some of the major milestones between where we will be in the first quarter and intercept with that 46% target level?

I think it really again gets back to probably to two pieces, one is the mixed. So I think as our largest customer, the volumes increased there. As we continue to gain more business, particularly in areas that Michael talked about that have a favorable impact on foundry and logic business going forward, we think that mix will help margin. And then secondly again the volumes, the volumes coming up play a big impact on that. And those are probably the two biggest one. And of course every quarter, it’s about how we execute within our factory. So those are the three areas where to go from where we are in Q1 into our model. And again I want to reiterate that, as Mike said, I think we still feel very, very good about our financial model, our target financial model in getting to 46% and $650 million revenue in the 2019 to 2020 period.

And then if I could just flip a couple over to Michael Slessor. 5G is very topical right now and RF probe card business within foundry and logic is an important business for the company. Can you just talk about some of the milestones we should be looking at given that there are more and more reports that handsets that are 5G enabled are going to be coming in the first half of 2019? And then it seemed to be a very solid and steady DRAM performance in the quarter. Any thoughts on DRAM as we look at the full year would be great helpful. Thanks guys.

Let we started with RF. I think as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we’re really excited about the initial activity we have in enabling the 5G handsets and the 5G infrastructure. Obviously, this is not really the material business right now, but it is a big set of R&D investments for us and a big set of activity as we work with customers to essentially define the test protocol and standards that they are going to use, whether it’s the RF front end in the handsets themselves or some of the infrastructure in base stations, high speed digital chips, things like that. So 5G for us right now a lot of development activity, but working with some of the really key driver customers that are going to be enabling both the handset side and the infrastructure side. I think I agree with your timing that it’s a 2019 event for us. But again, we’re laying the ground work today with those customers to make sure it’s a business for us in 2019 or whenever 5G adoption really hit. On the DRAM side, I think the simplest characterization is it remains a overall healthy business for us and for our customers. As you heard from virtually everyone who participate in the DRAM supply chain, it appears that capacity and demand are roughly in check. And the difficulty of node shrinks for our customers really doesn’t leave you with too many ways to throw that balance other check in less obviously the demand side of the equation reduces significantly for some reason. That doesn’t look like it’s going to happen in the short term. The other thing, our DRAM business, now getting more specific to FormFactor is benefiting from, is each of the major customers seem to be on slightly different design release and no shrink cycles. And so where they all used to move is one and shrinking to the next node or releasing a new design, there’s a little bit more of a smoothing of timing in that. And we’re supporting each of the major three DRAM manufacturers and the initial projects in China I talked about, with different emphasis on the activity. But as you can see from the fourth quarter results, DRAM continues to be a pretty strong probe card business for us even at 20%, 25% of revenue.

Our next question comes from Edgar Roesch of Sidoti and Company. Your line is open.

Thanks and hello. And I’ll add my congratulations to Mike Ludwig. It's been short but it's been pleasure.

Thanks Ed.

So Mike first you mentioned still trying to grow revenues for the full year, I believe. I understood that correctly?

Yes.

And so if I plug in the Q1 midpoint and some revenue growth for the full year, I guess I'm just trying to understand if Q2 is going to bounce back more strongly than at originally modeled it. Or you're going to be looking at some pretty big quarterly revenue run-rates in the second half. You tapped out around $144 million or so left this past year 2017. Could you ship $150 million to $160 million in a quarter?

Obviously, the simple math with the guidance midpoint we’ve given for Q1 and then the implication of growing the year overall means that we're going to have some pretty significant quarters as we move through the back half of the year. I think that's predicated on a couple of things, quite obviously. The first is our largest customer essentially executing the demand that is currently reflected in the data we talked about whether its forecast data or other pieces of data. There are also some of the other growth opportunities we have in front of us. I just spent some time talking about DRAM that looks like a pretty good opportunity in 2018 and beyond. And then advanced packaging and things like automotive applications that we haven't talked about are really driving some secular growth in the business. And those things are unchanged despite the light Q1 guidance. So we view those businesses growing throughout the year. But by far the biggest variable is the 10 nanometer ramp and demand from our largest customer. On the ability to produce those levels that are implied by the math, we've gone through a planning process to figure out how we could do it. We don't have the capacity in place today. It's mostly direct labor related, and we believe we can bring that direct labor on in response to the volume as we've done in the past in significantly growing different elements of the business.

And then just wondering about one question about the long term model, I know it's a target but to the R&D, it's about 14% of revenue versus around 12.5%, it seems for 2017. I was just wondering if you could speak to whether there are any areas of future investment already identified whether you'd be ramping up the R&D at a more aggressive rate or whether you're have to be getting maybe just some unexpected efficiency in your current R&D dollars, maybe favorable revenue mix or higher ASPs are impacting that. If you have any color on that, that'll be great. Thank you.

You're right. So in the long term model, we did called out that we felt like 14% -- R&D spend of 14% of revenue was where we wanted to guide the business long term. Obviously, that's going to have some fluctuations year-to-year and quarter-to-quarter. And I think 2017 clearly in growing revenues as we did, you can have a long R&D wish list, but you’re not going to add cost as rapidly as we grew revenue to get to a 14% level. I view R&D, especially from market share leadership position that we have, as something that essentially gets guided in enabling customer roadmaps and enabling industry roadmap. Things like the ability to keep pace with integrated fan-out packaging with high bandwidth memory, with some of the 5G RF opportunities we talked about earlier on the call, those are the places where we’re going to spend our R&D. And we’re confident we can fit within that 14% budget and are going to continue to make those investments while balancing the operating cost discipline that we’ve shown in the past.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Edwin Mok of Needham and Company. Your line is now open.

So first my question is on your largest customer. I just want to pretty clear as you said that second half you expect to have read record level or very, very high level. Are you talking about on a quality base on a full year base I am just trying to understand what you’re referring to just to be exactly correct?

So what we’ve said and to clarify we hadn’t it said clearly enough. We obviously expect our largest customer to be at very low levels in Q1. All of the available information we have, whether its direct forecast we receive from them, whether it’s different pieces of other planning data where we triangulate, point to the quarters in the second half reaching record revenue levels. And if I point you back to Q3 of 2017, our largest customer was approximately 30% of our $144 million quarter, so that ballparks you a little bit. I want to make sure though that everyone understands and this is why we included in the prepared remarks that we are operating with lead times that are essentially half a quarter. And we did that we’ve done that in all of our businesses to improve our agility and flexibility, and it’s been one of the big components of why we’ve gained market share over the past couple of years. We’re able to respond to demand quickly. It obviously also makes your internal operations much more efficient. So if I do the simple math, we are a long way from six weeks from the third quarter and six weeks from the start of that ramp. And so the specific visibility on POs being placed is not yet there, that’s why we’re making it clear to people, whether it’s a situation we’re actively managing and keeping in very close contact with the customer to make sure we can ramp up in time and reach those record levels when the demand comes in the third and fourth quarter.

So with that just from a very low level, you mentioned that your tight control capacity rate, obviously not having that capacity putting a big drag on your profitability rate. But given that it’s almost like a churns business, how do you flip that switch just like that. I mean you mentioned that you have to hire some correctly. So I want to understand how we can flip it in the weeks from that pre- low level to about that 3Q level that you just saw. Can you help frame how do you go forward to that?

And if I take you back, I made a comment in the prepared remarks about the lessons learned from the first half of 2016 where we did have to flip that switch, and we didn't do it as fast as we needed to. It is as you say primarily labor driven. And we do have a pool of direct labor, both locally and across some of our other businesses. And I realized its zero sum gain in producing the overall revenue for the company. But we have different places where we can bring direct labor in relatively quickly and then transfer direct labor from maybe to some of the higher skilled positioned required to drive that business. There is a set of lessons we learned in the first half of 2016 that leave us pretty confident that we can ramp up quickly. Now, you're not going to double the capacity in a six week timeframe that's one of the reasons why we’ve talked about hanging on December the under utilization based on the forecast and the information that we have. So clearly, I see challenge in front of us and one that where we need to be flexible responsive and act decisively and quickly on the way back up.

And then I know the flash was pretty strong this quarter again. As far as you mentioned or in prepared remarks, I might have missed it. Where does that strength come from NOR/NAND and do you think that’s a sustainable level now?

So flash was relatively strong compared to at least from recent quarters. And I think Mike Ludwig mentioned that it was approximately 50% NAND. So a split between NOR and NAND. The NAND piece of it is rally consistent with our flash strategy that we talked about before where at the very high end of 3D NAND. These are high layer count devices probably not even in full scale of production yet where customers really need FormFactor’s high density MEMS technology to test these devices. Whether that becomes an industry wide trend or not, we're not really in a position to speculate on it at this point. But it is encouraging that we've seen some moderate growth of our flash business what was admittedly off some very low levels. It really is centered around high layer count very dense kind of structures that require almost DRAM like probe card.

And then my last question, I guess on the operating expenses level. Obviously, you guys are going for a weaker quarter share but you expect a strong ramp in the back half of the year. Do you think like going through that with this kind of cycle and do you see OpEx have to fluctuate around that or you think all this can stay relatively stable throughout the year?

I think from our perspective, Edwin, the one thing that we have worked hard at is to put an infrastructure in place that scale. So the one thing I would tell you is that when we talked in early 2017, we said that operating expenses should be similar between $35 million, $37 million. And I think we've pretty much stayed within that range the entire year. I would say it may tick up just a small amount but the structure is highly leveragable. So I think as we talked about the fourth quarter was around $36 million, probably be slightly lower than that in Q1. But I still think somewhere in the $35 million to $37 million range for 2018, and maybe as we get into the back half of '18 with the volumes that we're talking about, maybe they'll be slightly higher than $37 million, but really very leveragable and it will be much higher than that.

Our next question comes from Patrick Ho of Stifel. Your line is now open.

First of all, I want to also wish Michael Ludwig the best, it’s been many years, and it’s been a pleasure working with you.

Thanks Patrick.

First for Mike Slessor. In terms of your 10 nanometer foundry opportunity that you capitalized upon in 2017. As that partner migrates to 7 nanometers, its project to be a much bigger node with a lot more opportunities in just the mobility market. How do you see that potentially translating for FormFactor as that foundry partner expands its market opportunities into many more markets?

So interesting question, Patrick. Because I think both -- that foundry and the industry in general view 7 nanometer as going to be one of the major nodes, maybe -- or the way 28 nanometer was. And we view the opportunity there is expanding far beyond the single integrated fan-out mobile processors that we’re currently serving at 7 nanometer. Whether it’s in the mobile space, clearly there are going to be short-term opportunities for different designs around application processors that adopts integrated fan-out packaging, advanced packaging. But more broadly, our entry into that foundry and then our participation in enabling the 7 nanometer node and the larger wafer starts and design volumes on 7 nanometer node do represent a big growth opportunity for us. The timing of that and the fundamental details of it, I think as 7 nanometer ramps we’ll become more clear, but generally, we are very optimistic about what the opportunity hold for us.

And my follow-up question going to the DRAM probe card side for a second. You were seeing the industry as you noted transition to the next generation node and obviously that in itself is very helpful to see your business. But we’re also seeing increased bit densities, higher speeds. Does that potentially positively impact your pricing tactics? And what I mean by that more is given that DRAMs have always been a little bit of a lower margin business, there is competition out there that you face. But given some of the more challenging complexities involved, do you see any potential pricing benefits, particularly in a market environment that’s very healthy right now?

I think there is a couple of different pieces to it. As you noted generally, the requirements continue to get more and more challenging, whether they be speed related or density related. And bit counts for die going up and speeds going up, that does move things towards FormFactor’s technical strength, and it’s one of the reasons why we’ve continued to gain share and improve the profitability of our DRAM business over the past couple of years. I think as far as pricing goes, in DRAM for sure, pricing is intimately related to the value and the cost benefits you bring to your customer. But I think the historical strengths that FormFactor has had in enabling customers to test more chips they wants at higher speed play right into that theme. And obviously when we're able to do that and reduce their overall cost of test, they compensate us for it.

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Mike Slessor for closing remarks.

Thank you all for joining us today. And especially thank you to the worldwide FormFactor team for delivering a great 2017 and for dedicating ourselves to continued growth in 2018. We'll talk to all you soon. Thanks very much.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.