David Constable
Management
Yes. The projects that we work on other than maybe some energy transition developers that would need some financing, which they've been somewhat successful at. But our key client base, if you will, that we deal with use their balance sheet. So, and our clients look through the short-term challenges of economic and geopolitical challenges. And they play the long game, right? So, as I look at the client CapEx across just a sampling of Fluor's, say, 10 clients that I took a look at here a couple of weeks ago, their CapEx for 2024 is holding strong, up. Some of them are up. But just those tenants are going to spend about $110 billion in CapEx. I think they expect to spend $125 billion in annually, $125 billion in the out years. So with quite a bit of that $20 billion in energy transition, where, again, we are well-positioned and are, as I said, working on over 200 projects in energy transition. So I think we're in a very good space. You take BHP this morning that came out and said, well, the Nickels not doing well for them. So they're pivoting to copper and iron ore and potash, which is right in our wheelhouse. So, and they didn't change their CapEx guidance. So I just think that interest rates are less of a concern for Fluor and our prospects. And then you've got, of course, the Mission Solutions clients that are spending in our space in DOD, DOE and say, TxDOT, one of our key infrastructure customers, they've spent $279 billion last year and $292 billion in 2024. So there's so much to say grace over. We just need to be careful that we don't bring too much work in. We have to make sure we've got the resources, the A teams to execute these projects and be very selective, and get paid for the value that we bring and the best opportunities.