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Full House Resorts, Inc. (FLL)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 11, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Full House Resorts Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Lewis Fanger, Chief Financial Officer of Full House Resorts. You may begin.

Lewis Fanger

Management

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our third quarter of 2017 earnings call. Before we begin, as always, we'll remind you that today's conference call may contain forward-looking statements that we're making under the safe harbor provision of federal securities laws. I'd also like to remind you that the company's actual results could differ materially from the anticipated results in these forward-looking statements. Please see today's press release under the caption Forward-Looking Statements for the discussion of risks that may affect our results. Also, we may make reference to non-GAAP measures, such as adjusted EBITDA. For a reconciliation of those measures, please see our website as well as our various press releases that we issue. And lastly, we're also broadcasting this conference call at fullhouseresorts.com, where you can find today's earnings release as well as all of our SEC filings. And we also just posted a few minutes ago some slides as well about Bronco Billy's and our proposed expansion there. With that all said, are we ready to go, Dan?

Daniel Lee

Management

Okay, you're turning it over to me. Okay. It was a good quarter. Let's address that first. It was a good quarter operationally. We had a lot of stuff we were finishing it up, but most of it wasn't really open until late in the quarter and nevertheless, we did pretty well. Silver Slipper was up. It appears to be up a lot but a lot of that increase was really settlement of the parking garage litigation. I don't want to go back on that and it was up even without that, and it was up even without that despite two hurricanes that happened in the quarter that didn't actually hit us, but one of them veered west of us and the other one veered east of us, and certainly distracted our customers over those weekends where they were watching those things happen. And then we had a third hurricane that fell in October, which would be in the fourth quarter, which affected us in October. But fortunately, none of them damaged our property and we did fine. And the earnings were up despite that. The parking garage litigation has gone on for years. The parking garage at the property was apparently originally built 10 or 12 years ago without the appropriate amounts of rebar in it. That was discovered sometime before Lewis and I came to the company and remedied -- cost a couple million dollars to fix it -- and then there was a lawsuit started against the architect and the contractor and that went on forever. All the time that was happening, we were expensing the legal fees related to that lawsuit and so in the past, when you saw EBITDA or adjusted EBITDA that was after the expense of the legal fees. And so we finally…

Lewis Fanger

Management

No, that's everything, Dan. The only other thing I was going to add, Dan, is that renovation at Grand Lodge, we do get excited for what we think it could bring in the wintertime. In the wintertime, we have guests that are coming where they ski all day and they eat all day and sit by the fire and the casino is second or third fiddle to all that. But now, the look of that casino as you walk into that front lobby is, as Dan mentioned, quite different and I think that hopefully will bring in a few more people in that winter season.

Daniel Lee

Management

And you'll notice, we do generate cash and cash flow and so we're funding all of this stuff, but we've also built up some cash balances so our net debt is down to about $74 million now, which keeps going down a little bit every quarter. So then, we get to Bronco Billy's and during the quarter, we acquired some land and we got options on other land to fill out a site and meanwhile, we've been working on a design for Bronco Billy's. And the key thing to understand here is that the state of Colorado legalized casino gaming 25 years ago but did so with a $5 maximum bet. It was a very low maximum bet and so casinos really couldn't do what we normally do elsewhere, where you build a nice hotel and operate some nice restaurants, and you offer to comp rooms, and comp meals, and all that stuff. If somebody is only betting $5 a hand, they'd have to play more than 24 hours a day to justify comping them a nice hotel room. And so the hotels that exist in Cripple Creek are either heritage bed and breakfasts, and a few of them are nice but they don't have very many rooms, or they're cheap motels that were built in some cases by a casino, in some cases not to rent rooms for $35 a night to a slot customer who was a pretty low end customer in that market. All of that changed a few years ago when the state changed it to a $100 maximum bet. So a twentyfold increase in how much people can bet changes the economics rather dramatically and Craig Nielsen and Ameristar figured that out and built a $300 million 530-room hotel in Blackhawk, which is very, very…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Chad Beynon with Macquarie.

Chad Beynon

Analyst

Wanted to go back to Cripple Creek here for a second given that this could end up being a transformational construction project here. So after you succeed on getting the financing and moving forward on the project, if you can hit the returns that you outlined in your prepared remarks, what does that mean for the rest of the portfolio and just Full House going forward? What's the best way to manage the portfolio given that you'll be spending so much time on this project and the absolute EBITDA will be significantly greater than everything else? And could some of the other properties be sources of capital or do you intend to just raise the financing through standard project financing? Thanks.

Daniel Lee

Management

I don't think we have to sell anything to get the financing to do this, if that's what you're implying by that. Right now, Bronco Billy's is our number 2 earnings generator after the Silver Slipper. I think with this expansion, it would become number one, though the guys down in Mississippi might give them a run for their money. But we're a 4-horse company right now. We've got Silver Slipper is first, Colorado second, Indiana is third, and then Northern Nevada is fourth. Now, I think Indiana will get a nice jump with the ferryboat next year, but it's still probably going to be third. And then Bronco Billy's with this expansion will become first. We're a small company but we're pretty diverse and I don't think that changes. We do - the hotel at the Silver Slipper is now running 90% occupancy, so we have been scratching our heads trying to figure out if it would make sense at some point to add another tower there and it probably does but that's a ways down the road. And one of the nice things about it being a relatively small company is Lewis and I know the properties pretty well. It's not that hard to keep on top of it. I think at Pinnacle, we had a dozen properties and that get a little complicated sometimes. But for example, we fly out and have Christmas dinner with the management team of each property generally and I think in the last week, most months I'm at just about every property. And so it's not that hard to stay on top of it and it's actually kind of fun. You really are on top of it.

Lewis Fanger

Management

There isn't a month that goes by, Chad, where one of us hasn't been to one of those properties. When we first got here, Chad, the company was sitting at $10 million a year of EBITDA and we were scratching our heads as to how do you double this company in size. And we've basically done it. And since then, we've been scratching our heads again trying to figure out how do you double it again and do it in a smart way, in a way that benefits shareholders and everything else. And this, quite frankly, I think it's an easy project to understand in terms of the return profile and we're very excited to figure it out. We've had some preliminary talks with lenders about ways to get it financed. I'm less worried about that side of it.

Daniel Lee

Management

There were two very complicated things that we did over this past year and it did take a fair amount of time. One is this is a very old town. And so it was carved up when it was created in the 1890s into little itty-bitty pieces. And it took some time for us to kind of assemble this piece of land, and you'll see on the website that one of the things that has an aerial photo and it shows there's a solid line around what we owned or what we acquired, I guess, back when we acquired Bronco Billy's and then we picked up two parking lots, and then there's a - we have options on three pieces all from the same individual and it's the Imperial Casino, the Imperial Hotel, and then a little yellow house. And part of the reason we did that was there's some excess land there too that allows our parking garage to be bigger and more efficient. But the Little Imperial Casino is actually on a key corner in town and it's the corner where we would need people to turn right to go to our self-parking garage. We think we can make money reopening that casino on that corner. And we've already talked to the Gaming Commission about operating it as a satellite from Bronco Billy's, which was key, we didn't want to have to open a separate security office and separate accounting office and all that stuff. And the Gaming Commission said that they're okay with that as long as we tie it in with fiber optic lines and so on. So we actually opened up an additional casino with probably about 150 to 170 slot machines in it. And then there's a historic hotel there with 12 guest rooms.…

Lewis Fanger

Management

Two other things I'll add there, Chad. One is I think what people forget sometimes is you've got essentially a million people in our target market. We have less than 500 hotel rooms in all of Cripple Creek and so just having more rooms will be nice. But what Dan and I saw, and we were - our jaws dropped from two things. One was just going to Blackhawk and seeing the properties that were making $35 million a year between Isle and the Lodge and looking at Ameristar. It's been a while since we've been there and that made us realize a few new things. But we also went down to the Broadmoor and just spent an afternoon watching the customers there and noticing quite well that none of those customers or customers that you would see in Cripple Creek right now. And if you think about that room quality, there isn't a room product in town right now where you would want to bring your wife for an anniversary or a birthday dinner or any of that stuff. And so there is a big market that's waiting for us to tap. Pretty excited by that. But the other thing that I think you're implying by your question is where are things looking with the refinancing and I don't want to say too much on that yet. But what I will say is, we feel pretty good about our chances of getting something done in the near term and quite possibly before the end of the year.

Daniel Lee

Management

We're not double-parked on that. Our maturity on the bank debt is a year from next May and that could be probably pushed back pretty easily, but if we can refinance our debt at a little lower interest rate, obviously, we'll do so. And so we're trying to figure that out.

Chad Beynon

Analyst

One of the other things that's been doing on over the past couple quarters, every regional gaming company is saying that there's more out there from an M&A perspective that they've probably seen since before the recession. And I think everyone is trying to adjust their portfolio to have meaningful assets and some of the assets that they may dispose of probably sit into your wheelhouse a little bit better. So I'm sure you've seen some assets out there. Could you do both? Have you looked at some of these? Does it make sense to add on another property while you're going through this process? Just maybe help us think about if you can do both at one point and if you're seeing anything out there that gets your interest. Thank you.

Daniel Lee

Management

Well, first off, we come to work every day saying don't screw this up. The management and the Board own 20% of the stock.

Lewis Fanger

Management

13% outright without options.

Daniel Lee

Management

And then with options it gets up into the high teens and it's a significant investment for us. And if you just forecast, even if we don't build in Cripple Creek, if we just continue to improve what we have and we finish the ferryboat and some of that stuff, the company's EBITDA pretty easily could get to the mid-20s and our debt continues to ratchet down and you kind of forecast where the stock price could be. And as well as the stock has done, it's still got a lot of upside. And so we start with let's not screw that up. And then you figure out something like this thing in Cripple Creek. Please take a little time and look through some of our numbers and you can see this is not even a close call. This is a hotel that will get a really good return on investment. And then you get comfortable with that and saying, okay, we can do this. Now, obviously, we want to get a guaranteed maximum price out of a reliable contractor. We're dealing with the Yates guys who are fantastic, who have built probably more casinos outside of Las Vegas than anyone else. And so we want to take some of the risk out of that and that creates even more upside in the stock. And then finally, yes, there are deals out there. There's a lot of deals out there. There's got to be at least a deal a week out that I'm shown and looked at. Gone and visited everything else and you have to look at a lot of bad deals before you find a good one. And we don't really have to do a deal. And we don't want to put the company at risk to do a deal, but if we see something that makes sense, sure, we can do it. I mean we have the bandwidth to do it and frankly, we have pretty good management debt out of the properties if we need to borrow somebody from one of the properties and put them in somewhere, we could do that. So we do look at a lot of deals. We're just pretty picky about it and pretty careful about it because we don't want to mess up what we think is a pretty good company. Operator [Operator Instructions] And we take a question now from Jim Devlin with Henley and Company.

Jim Devlin

Analyst

Since I guess the last time we talked and it's clearly at this point Mississippi is still the number one EBITDA generator of the company, we've seen oil, West Texas and Intermediate move from $44 a barrel to, say, $57 and clearly, oil predominates the payrolls in the Gulf region. It's only moved up relatively I'd say the last three weeks, months or so. How does that translate on the floors down there?

Daniel Lee

Management

Well, you're correct that the higher priced oil was probably a plus. But it's a little early to know and this time of year, you kind of feel like the lead bowling pin and God's rolling balls at you, coming down as these hurricanes come through and that's been a much bigger distraction. The other thing is some of the least expensive oil is the stuff produced in the Gulf of Mexico and in Texas in particular. And so I think as the price of oil fluctuates, it affects places like Wyoming and Alberta more where there are high costs to operate oil shale fields and some of those other things that are up in the Arctic. And so when the price of oil falls, the place where they stop producing is where it's most expensive to produce and so the impact of the fall of the price of oil hasn't been all that bad along the Gulf. So I wouldn't expect a huge recovery from an increase in the price of oil. But you are correct that higher price of oil is good for the region. But I just don't think it's been material enough for us to see it.

Jim Devlin

Analyst

Congratulations on having the foresight to make or potentially make the investment in Cripple Creek. Actually, readying today's Colorado Springs Gazette, they're now forecasting Colorado Springs to become Colorado's largest city over the next several decades. So clearly, obviously, you're hoping that to be the case based upon the state demography office.

Daniel Lee

Management

I saw that article and I think you have to read it pretty carefully because when I refer to Denver, I'm always referring to really the Denver MSA, the Metropolitan Standard Area, which includes Boulder, and Fort Collins, and lots of other places, Bloomfield. And that population is about 4 million. And I think that that office is saying the city limits of Denver, which is a small part of that MSA, and Colorado Springs is going to exceed that in population. But it doesn't matter. They're both growing like weeds. The fastest growing cities in the country are in Texas, followed by Florida, followed by Colorado. And in fact, the population of Denver, the Denver MSA between 2010 and 2016 grew by 400,000 people. That's the population of Reno. It's like everybody in Reno picked up and moved to Denver, right. And you think of how many casinos are supplied by the population of Reno. Even in Cripple Creek, since the Wildwood opened, which was the one that opened in 2008, 100,000 people have moved into Colorado Springs, right. And so we're on the edge of one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in the country and you see it. If you go driving around Denver, driving around Colorado Springs, there are housing developments popping up everywhere. Unemployment rate is like under 2%. In fact, that's one of our biggest challenges is going to be finding the workers to build this thing because everybody is building everything and that attracts still more people. So we're hoping this wall doesn't get built too fast because we're going to need workers to build this casino and - I'm being facetious, but it is definitely a booming part of the country and I think that's a nice tailwind for us.

Jim Devlin

Analyst

Looking at the architectural renderings, I don't want to put the cart in front of the horse, but you came out with a 150-room presentation. It looks like there's more room, if it was successful, that you'd have more room to expand. Is that - if it were successful and it fed on itself, do you envision to have more land to add more rooms down the line?

Daniel Lee

Management

We have designed it so it could be expanded.

Jim Devlin

Analyst

By how many more units? Could you guesstimate?

Daniel Lee

Management

I don't want to guesstimate but as we know exactly where we could put additional phases later to prove to be acceptable.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gary Ribe with MACRO Consulting.

Gary Ribe

Analyst · MACRO Consulting.

I just wanted to -- great news on Cripple Creek. I was just curious if - I don't know if you mentioned this at all with respect to the Indiana property. You guys are constantly looking for new places to put the spare capacity, if you guys have anything in the hopper there.

Daniel Lee

Management

We have definitely not given up on that. The legislative session starts in January. This year, they have a long legislature short legislature system there. So we're coming up on a short year where they're only supposed to address budgetary issues. We believe that the representatives from Terre Haute will probably introduce the measure anyway but it's much harder to get it passed in a short session than in a long session. And so I think it's more likely a major topic of discussion in January of 2019 and I do think it will eventually happen. I just don't know when. But the state has some fiscal issues and they've got their slot machines in the wrong places, and frankly, we've got the strong support of the Terre Haute community and we'd be excited about trying to build something there. And I think eventually, we have a good shot at that happening. But it's not imminent. The same way we talked earlier that down at the Silver Slipper, I think that property can support another hotel tower at some point and we're in the very early stages of trying to figure out how to do that. It takes some work with the state to do it but it's a long ways down the road. But we wouldn't be doing our job if we weren't thinking about the long-term plans as well as the medium term plans.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. Mr. Daniel Lee I'd like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Daniel Lee

Management

I don't have anything. You got anything, Lewis?

Lewis Fanger

Management

No, thanks as always.

Daniel Lee

Management

Thanks everybody for their support. Take care.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's presentation. We thank you for your participation.