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Comfort Systems USA, Inc. (FIX)

Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 1, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the 2011 Comfort Systems USA Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. My name is Larry, and I will be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Ms. Julie Shaeff, Chief Accounting Officer. Please proceed.

Julie Shaeff

Analyst

Thanks, Larry. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Comfort Systems' fourth quarter earnings call. Our comments this morning, as well as our press release, contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Act of 1995. What we say today is based on the current plans and expectations of Comfort Systems USA. Those plans and expectations involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual future activities and results of our operation to be materially different from those set forth in our comments. You can read a more detailed listing and commentary concerning our specific risk factors in our Form 10-K, as well as in our press release covering these earnings. A slide presentation will accompany the prepared remarks, and has been posted on the Investor Relations section of the company's website found at comfortsystemsusa.com. Joining me on the call today is Brian Lane, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Bill George, our Chief Financial Officer. Brian will open our remarks.

Brian Lane

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Thanks, Julie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you, all, for joining us. I want to start by thanking each of our talented team members for the reference. We appreciate everyone's hard work and dedication. Before we begin, I'd like to recognize the leadership provided by Bill Murdy during his tenure as CEO of Comfort Systems. When Bill joined the company in June of 2000, Comfort Systems was a fairly new public company with $300 million in debt and facing difficult industry conditions. Bill led us through these difficult times and helped transform Comfort Systems into what it is today. The entire Comfort Systems family is grateful for Bill Murdy's dedication and leadership over the past 11 years. Thank you, Bill. Let me start with an overview of key points for the quarter and the year. Bill George will take you through the financial results. And finally, I'll discuss backlog and the outlook for 2012. 2011 was another tough year for the nonresidential construction industry. Like our industry, we faced weak fundamentals and challenging activity levels. Excluding goodwill and other noncash charges, we are reporting EPS of $0.15 for 2011, compared to $0.43 in 2010. Despite the challenges, 2011 was a year of steady progress for Comfort Systems. Same-store revenue increased 1.6% for the full year, the best top line comparison over the past few years of difficult industry conditions. In 2011, we improved the strength of our operations and expanded our capabilities with the fourth quarter acquisition of Environmental Air Systems or EAS. This acquisition increases Comfort's geographic footprint in the mid-Atlantic region and expands our product offerings in the custom off-site construction business. EAS is a positive addition to our family of companies. We are pleased to report that EAS posted good results for the fourth quarter. EAS has…

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Thank you, Brian. I'll start with the quarter, and if you have the slide show, you can turn to Slide 1. We were profitable during the fourth quarter. As expected, however, we continue to be broadly impacted by the ongoing weakness in the nonresidential construction markets as gross profit and operating income margins were lower due to continued challenging market conditions. Total revenue increased $3.1 million to $317.7 million compared to the fourth quarter of 2010. This was a result of the EAS acquisition in November. Without that acquisition, same-store revenue decreased 4.8% compared to the fourth quarter of 2010. Similar to trends from earlier quarters this year, gross profit margins were lower compared to 2010. Gross profit was 15.9% for the fourth quarter of 2011, compared to 18.1% in the fourth quarter of 2010. The decrease in gross margins was generally broad-based, and results from weak pricing. Total SG&A expense decreased $2.4 million for the fourth quarter compared to the same period in 2010. As a percentage of revenues, SG&A dropped from 15.4% in 2010 to 14.5% in 2011. If we look at same-store SG&A, we were helped even more by lower overhead costs. Excluding amortization expense, same-store SG&A decreased by $3.3 million, a 7% decrease. Including our incremental goodwill adjustment, operating income was 0.3% for the fourth quarter of 2011, compared to 2.3% for the fourth quarter of 2010. Excluding goodwill and other intangible impairment charges recorded in both periods, operating income was 1.5% for the fourth quarter of 2011, and that compares to 2.7% in 2010. Now I'm going to take a few minutes to describe some individual items during the reported periods. During the third quarter of 2011, we concluded that impairment indicators existed within 4 reporting units, based upon year-to-date results and recent forecasts. We…

Brian Lane

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Thanks, Bill. Let me give a little more commentary on the operating results. As you can see on Slide 6, backlog at the end of the fourth quarter of 2011 was $633 million. Backlog on a same-store basis was down $39 million or 6% on a sequential basis, and down $20 million or 3% compared to the fourth quarter of 2010. For the first time in a few years, our book-to-burn ratio for the full year is at 1. As noted in Slide 7, the institutional markets of government healthcare and education represent a significant portion of our revenue. These markets are active and make up 63% of our backlog. The private commercial sectors remained weak, but we continue to win our fair share of smaller and midsize projects. Overall, although margins remain tight, we remain cautiously optimistic that activity levels in most market sectors are stable. Let's discuss what we're seeing by region. For us, the downturn started in the west then moved to the southeast, with minimal impact in the northeast. The northeast region includes the companies on the upper Midwest. Throughout the downturn, the northeast has been stable and is our most profitable region. We have a strong market presence in the northeast, and we compete based on expertise and not just on price. The majority of these companies, and most notably the operations in Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Wisconsin, New York, Ohio and Northern Maryland, continue to report good results. The majority of the operating companies in this region have a strong backlog and are currently operating at full capacity. During 2011, we did have weakness at the Washington, D.C. area operations. This was due to a combination of competitive pricing and job underperformance. This operation is led by a seasoned company president. We are dedicating resources…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Adam Thalhimer of BB&T Capital Markets.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

I just want make sure I have this -- the pretax charge in the quarter, the $3.8 million. The after-tax charge is $824,000.

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Yes. Yes, that has to do with essentially complicated things that are going on with the tax rate.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Okay. I just want to make sure that I had the numbers right.

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

No, that's how it came out. The problem is that you should keep in mind that, that 2.2 was incremental to a $55 million charge, and every time -- every one of those accounts, they live in different states, some of them are from -- some of the accounts per one entity live in multiple states, so a lot of things happen when you start to run those through. It turns into a -- it turns into quite a computational session, and then you have to prove it to your auditors. We're comfortable those are the numbers, but on the base that -- they're odd to me as well.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Okay, good. Bill, what was Delcard's annual revenue?

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Annual revenue in 2011, I'll look that up and have it for you here in a minute.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

And while you're doing that, I just, I wondered if you could comment. With 63% of the backlog being institutional, obviously, there's a lot of concerns about government spending. I mean, what are the trends you're seeing in that business in terms of bidding opportunities?

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

All right. 2011 revenue for Delcard was $23 million. It'll be effectively 0 in the 2012. I don't know, Brian, trends in the institutional?

Brian Lane

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Yes, on the institutional, the bulk is still healthcare and education, most of it the high university for us. On the government side, it's on the federal work, a lot in the military, that they're continuing to spend. So we don't think we'll be negatively impacted, at least for next few years and a decrease there.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

I'm sorry, that was for all 3 segments, Brian, the government, institutional?

Brian Lane

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Right. You look out the next 3 years, it's pretty much stable spending, at what we're penetrating there, Adam.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Okay, great. And then, I guess, the last question for me is just that we got that January nonres construction number just about an hour ago from the Census Bureau and, we're up 17% year-over-year. And that seems like pretty impressive growth, particularly when you compare it to kind of the last recovery cycle, I don't think we saw anything near that this early in the recovery. And I just wonder, you had some interesting comments about what you're seeing, recovery-wise, in the west. I just wonder, what's your typical lag from things like Census Bureau data?

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Well, the monthly numbers can be very erratic. But our lags -- we don't lag Census Bureau that much. Typically, we lag McGraw-Hill a year or more because that's contract starts. Census Bureau is a report of activity, so, yes, I don't have much -- I don't think we see anything like that, like what you just described for what happened in the month in the markets we're in.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital.

Saagar Parikh

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

This is Saagar on for Tahira. A quick question on the sequential uptick in gross margin. I'm sorry if I missed your comments around it. It went from 15% to 15.9%, I know, and previously, you guys have mentioned that going forward, it should be in the 15% to 16% range. I just want to see what was -- what happened there for the increase to happen and if that's going to be sustainable going forward?

William George

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

No, I think it's a return to a traditional pattern that we've had in the past of lower fourth quarter revenues. If you look back over 13, 14 years, we -- the first and fourth quarter revenues for us, for our industry, have been the lowest revenues. The first quarter earnings have been, by far, the lowest earnings, but we typically have decent margins in the fourth quarter. Part of that is a lot of jobs get completed and finally closed out and booked, so I would say, that's more of a fourth quarter change than something that you would infer for the full year. Having said that, those are range -- both of those numbers are ranges we should -- that should -- that you could -- that are possible for the full year of 2012.

Saagar Parikh

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Okay. And then I know you guys had previously set a range of 14% to 15% going forward, for at least a near to medium term. So definitely it falls in-line with that.

Brian Lane

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

And we're also over 50%, service and retrofit, Saagar. They are up 57%, so you will find a better margin on that side of the business.

Saagar Parikh

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Perfect. And then next question, in the past, you guys have said that a lot of the work that you guys have been getting or a lot of the bidding activity out there has just been continuously rebid with sponsors or customers hoping to get lower prices on the rebid work. Have you guys seen any shift in that, where instead of customers stopping and not having things going forward, actually moving forward with those awards now?

William George

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Yes, we have one example of a major project being rebid 2 or 3x during the last half of this past year. And I think it was, as much as anything, some of those look like it's the customer not quite ready to pull the trigger and one way -- it's a convenient way to not quite pull the trigger. Just say, oh, we need to look at the price a little more. But I think -- Brian, I don't hear much about that now, do you?

Brian Lane

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Not as much. Fewer people are showing up for bids, and I think that there's not as much of that. Still a long time in decisions, though. It's not like it was a few years ago. We're still -- people not pulling the trigger as quick as we'd like.

William George

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Yes, they deliberate, they say, well, we have a board meeting next month. We're going to wait until after that, and there's some of that going on.

Saagar Parikh

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Okay. And then last question, what sort of impact did the modest weather have on your -- under the volume of your service calls and all that?

Brian Lane

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

It doesn't help, Saagar, I'll tell you that. It's been very mild pretty much throughout the country. But having said that, we have a lot stronger service business today than we did years ago. But we didn't get the surge you're going to get from that dramatic decrease in temperature, hopefully a rise in temperature in a couple of months. The other issue you see out there is going to be impact of the gas price. As it keeps going up, we'll see how that plays out here in the short term.

Saagar Parikh

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

And what the fuel cost then, is that something -- how -- historically how much of an impact does that had on your margins, in a '08, '09 time frame.

William George

Analyst · Tahira Afzal of KeyBanc Capital

Mathematically, it's not very big on the whole Comfort Systems. It doesn't help like it's the cost that goes up. It has a little more effect on the 15% that's service, so that's one of the reasons that -- and so if you are running, remember, service is 17% of our revenues, and if you're running a service department, it's a bigger proportion of what you're scratching your head about. Having said that, is it something to put in a model if you're thinking about the whole of Comfort Systems? I just think it's just -- can't get to significance for that, unless it doubles or something. Right.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company.

Richard Wesolowski

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

There has been an unprecedented swing in the mix of your backlog with regard to the project sizes during the last couple of quarters -- quarter-year filings in the third quarter. We saw the share of large projects fall to a ratio far below anything you've reported the last 5 years or so. But then in 4Q, you had a surge in large project wins or those above $15 million. Can you explain what's going on there?

William George

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

I think there was a trend that was based on the economy and the dearth of large projects. And then when the EAS came in, that's a company that does a lot of data centers and hospitals and pharmaceutical factories, they -- that I think a lot of what you would've seen in this most recent reported period, had a pretty big effect on that, obviously, also, added to our backlog.

Richard Wesolowski

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

But they're, what, $35 million out of a $600 million backlog. I can't imagine that was the whole thing, was it?

William George

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Well, on the backlog, yes, they were more than the increase. But as far as the project size, we also had one enormous project in the mid-Atlantic that averaged in a sort of -- probably the biggest project we've done in years.

Brian Lane

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Yes, ColonialWebb had a large data center, Rich, too.

Richard Wesolowski

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

That was the one that was cited in the file with just some $50 million and thereabouts.

Brian Lane

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Correct.

Richard Wesolowski

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Okay. If -- when we see management get bullish on the prospects for pricing improvement, should we expect the share of large projects to go down? Would that be the early indicator of Comfort believing that the recovery has begun in earnest?

William George

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

It could be. I mean that, I guess, the thesis for that would be we're exercising pricing discipline, maybe.

Richard Wesolowski

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Or did you want to lever yourselves to the incremental project being at a higher margin than the one you're working off?

William George

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Well, that's been true for a while. One of the interesting things that's been happening in our market is people were willing to take lower gross margin 6 months ago for a project that was 9 months than they would take for a project that was 2.5 years. If you're a local company President, you need -- you want -- you don't mind tying up some resources for the next 0.5 year, or 9 months because you have air pockets, but your loath to go commit your resources at current pricing on a multi-year project. And so you might have seen 300 or 400 basis points higher bid margins on multi-year projects. So I think that -- I guess that kind of supports that thesis. It's all conjectural, I don't know and I haven't really thought enough about it to have an opinion.

Richard Wesolowski

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

And then lastly, would you expect the company has any more sizable acquisitions left in it before the market really recovers, or has Comfort kind of made its bids in that regard?

William George

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

I think that we're still going to actively look for acquisitions. We have bought 2 of the 5 largest construction companies in our industry, private construction companies in our industry in the last 1.5 years. So I don't know that you're going to see us. Until we become convicted of a recovery, I don't think you're going to see big incremental investments on the heavy construction side of our business. We're still -- we love tuck-ins, we -- knock on wood, we haven't had a bad tuck-in, in like 7 or 8 years. And we also -- there are other little niches, things that have interesting service, things about them or we still like controls companies where there's a big installed base of buildings that they service. So you're going to see more of that. Brian is that...

Brian Lane

Analyst · Rich Wesolowski of Sidoti & Company

Yes, I think that's right. You won't see us doing a big construction company, Rich, for a while.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Rogers of D.A. Davidson.

John Rogers

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Brian and -- relative to your comments about markets maybe getting better out in the west, stable in some places, how do you rectify that or -- with the falloff in organic growth and organic backlog?

Brian Lane

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Yes, I'm looking at a really -- on a go-forward basis, John, over the next year. And when I say it's improving, I'm talking about from a very low base, which the West was in. And to me, a little bit of stability, more activity that we're finally seeing in the West, we haven't seen for a few years. So that's a relative comment.

William George

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Yes, John, when we saw a drop-off in backlog, obviously, that caused us to go do a lot more talking and scratching our heads, because we'd had multiple consecutive quarters of really modest, but consecutive improvement.

John Rogers

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

But improving, yes, yes.

William George

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

I believe, I really sense -- and I think you know us well enough to know we wouldn't just say this, I really think that this quarter was a onetime event. I think we were in the middle of the winter. This is a time when no owner -- we don't put things in backlog till we have signed the paperwork, right? We have a pretty strict definition, not a lot of people are out there, making sure they get projects signed around Christmas in a market like this. So I think -- I feel good about our backlog trends for the coming year. I think that's more -- backlog's very lumpy for us. I think that was a one-quarter event.

John Rogers

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

And -- but, Bill, I mean, you also saw the downturn in revenue growth, as well, lost momentum there.

William George

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Then I think that was us hitting the fourth quarter. So I really -- I don't know, Brian, how bookings for the first quarter look...

Brian Lane

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Bookings for the first quarter, John, look pretty good.

John Rogers

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Okay. And did the closure of the operations -- how are you treating that in those organic numbers?

William George

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

It's in there fully as if it's ongoing. Nowadays, GAAP has strict, strict requirements before you treat something as discontinued operations. You can't have any revenue. So if you're still collecting money from projects, you have to keep it in your ordinary numbers. It flips over. At some point, you reach a point which will happen probably in the next few quarters, maybe the second or third quarter of this year, although I'm just guessing, where you meet the GAAP definition where you have to put it in the discontinued operations. And when that happens, we'll be forced to state our past numbers -- restate our past numbers to the ones that we are still reporting, that are still in the periods we're reporting to remove that company. So we would've preferred to put it straight into discontinued operations to have a clean cutoff at year-end. There are -- people have abused that, I guess, because there are very, very strict guidelines for when you can do that, and it's pretty much got to be -- you just got to have no further participation in any of the closeout processes for a company before you can do that.

John Rogers

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Okay. And you said the annual revenues, they were about $23 million?

William George

Analyst · John Rogers of D.A. Davidson

Yes, they reported $23 million of revenue in 2011 and I don't think -- that number will be closed -- pretty much 0 in 2012.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Clint Fendley of Davenport.

Clint Fendley

Analyst · Clint Fendley of Davenport

Most of my questions have been answered here, but -- and this is just kind of a bigger picture question. But I'm wondering, I know at the residential level for HVAC companies, we're seeing the government-mandated change, I believe, away from the R-22 refrigerant, and I'm just wondering, does this have any ramifications at all, looking forward for your service business given what is the -- expected to be the big increase in price for that refrigerant?

William George

Analyst · Clint Fendley of Davenport

That's likely to have a very, very minimal effect on us just because of the nature of the equipment that we interact with. That's -- I think, that's more of an issue for people that have a different business mix than we do, and in particular, for the residential guys.

Brian Lane

Analyst · Clint Fendley of Davenport

Yes. We'll have to deal with some of it, but it's not going to be material.

Operator

Operator

With no further questions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Brian Lane for closing remarks.

Brian Lane

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Right. Thanks, Larry. I'd like to thank all of our listeners for their interest and support for Comfort Systems, and our employees for making this all possible. We look forward to seeing you all on the road. Thank you very much and have a great day.

William George

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time, and have a great day.