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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 9, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and Welcome to the Zoom Telephonics Shareholders Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker for today, Frank Manning, Zoom's CEO. Thank you. I will now turn it over.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Stephanie. Welcome to the Zoom Telephonics Conference Call for Q3 2019. I'm Frank Manning, Zoom's CEO. Our President, Joe Wytanis will also be speaking and answering questions during and after this call. As a reminder, slides in this call are at www.zoom.net/sq319. When you have time, please read Slide 2. We cannot predict the future, and our comments and forward-looking statements are subject to uncertainty and risk. Slide 3 provides a brief overview of Zoom Telephonics. Zoom has been in business since 1977. We have the exclusive Motorola brand worldwide license for a large number of internet access and local area network products. Our strongest product category by far is cable modems, which includes cable modem bridges and cable modem with built-in routers. We are also seeing growth in cellular modems and sensors. We expect significant sales growth in cable modems, routers, including mesh routers and cellular products in 2020 and beyond. The Motorola brand, great products and excellent execution, tripled our revenues from 2016 through 2018. And through 9 months, 2019 revenues are 9% ahead of 2018. China tariffs have dramatically and negatively impacted our business, and we'll discuss why we're still very excited about next year and beyond in spite of these tariffs. On Slide 4, you can see that we had 10 straight quarters of increased year-over-year sales through Q3 2018. That trend was interrupted in Q4 2018 and Q1 2019 due primarily to China tariffs, which disrupted the cable modem business as everyone dealt with the sudden changes. Q2 2019 showed a resumption in year-over-year growth, with net sales up 8.5% [ph] to $8.2 million. We're very pleased to report that Q3 2019 net sales were up 20.8% year-over-year to $10.9 million, our highest Q3 sales since 2002. The tariffs initially caused price…

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Thank you, Frank. Slide 13 provides a glimpse of what we expect in 2020 compared to 2019. In summary, we are expecting very good positive traction in our business as many of the steps we've taken in 2019 come to fruition. Let me take a moment to highlight some of them. First, the tariff. As Frank mentioned, we're moving the majority of our current production from China to Vietnam, and we believe we will be fully converted over as of Q2 2020. This will dramatically improve our margin as we ship these made-in-Vietnam products. Second, product road map. In a moment, I will show you a slide that shows the numerous new exciting products we're bringing to market in various product categories with the vast majority of them manufactured outside of China. We're also introducing new product categories. Third, recurring downstream revenue. As previously mentioned in our last earnings call, we are leveraging our relationship with Minim to provide end users with home network management and IoT security capabilities that they will control from a Motorola application and pay for as a subscription service. Fourth, growth and expansion in different channels. This includes growing shelf space in retail, continually growing our Amazon share and penetrating the service provider channel. Lastly, engaging new suppliers and/or manufacturers. With the expansion of our product road map, we needed additional new suppliers to closely collaborate with us, and we now have that in place. In fact, one supplier is a major manufacturing partner I worked with in the past that will significantly help improve our margins and position us well for the service provider channel. I will let you read the rest of the detail on this slide when you have time. Slide 14 provides an update on the progress we're making in sales.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Ben Rubenstein with Robotti.

Ben Rubenstein

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Good morning.

Ben Rubenstein

Analyst

So I just have one question, and I'm somewhat new to the story, but if you guys could kind of just talk about what's the ambition, if you look out a few years in terms of what you want to have created here, obviously, with the offering you guys did recently? And you kind of walk through what you're hoping for 2020. But I guess looking out further, what do you want the business to look like?

Frank Manning

Analyst

Sure. This is Frank. I think we - first of all, we like where we are in retail as one important element. So certainly, we will continue to have a major focus on that, and we're very excited about that. But we definitely want to go to the service providers. And I think we're making great steps towards that. Cost was very, very key. And I think, led by Joe Wytanis, we've really done a good job of positioning ourselves for lower costs starting early next year. We are looking very seriously at the IoT area because our routers are very well positioned to extend themselves to handle devices that might be WiFi, but they may use some other technology for securing your home or managing your energy, et cetera. So that that's an important area to be looking at it. And we haven't finalized our thinking about that. But certainly, we think that, that's something we have to look at very seriously. And then finally, I would say we've -- the nature of our products and our focus on retail has made us be an essentially all-US sales company. Many, many years ago, that wasn't true like when we were in earlier products, way back to dial-up modems. We actually had significant sales in a number of countries, especially in Europe. But I think that - I think we'll see a little bit of change even next year. But I think in years out from that - from 2020, we'll see more and more of that. I think the United States is, by far, the most important market, and it will continue to be. But I think there's, obviously, huge opportunity outside of the United States, and our Motorola brand extends outside of the United States. So I think that's exciting.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Yeah, I'd like to just add on to that. Ben, very simply, it's there to allow end users, users in their home to manage and control their home network and all the devices in their home from a single application, and those devices that are in the home are being provided by us. So we're providing the DOCSIS products, the cell products and the IoT devices. The user will be able to manage and control those devices. And as Frank mentioned, we see ourselves providing that here in the U.S. through our current channels but expanding beyond that into the service provider channels and rapidly grow this business. So that's our vision real quick.

Ben Rubenstein

Analyst

Absolutely. I appreciate it.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Spencer Lehman, a private investor.

Spencer Lehman

Analyst

Hi, Frank and Joe, that was just a great conference call and presentation. Just a quick clarification on the tariffs. Right now, are you currently at 10% or 25%? Or what is your...

Frank Manning

Analyst

Sure, I can take that. So in June, the rate went to 25%, but the reason you wouldn't see that on our P&L is that in anticipation of the increase we moved as much inventory as we could into the United States. And so what you have in the quarter that just ended is a blend of 25% and 10%. As that inventory moves over time, obviously, it shifts toward 25%. So that's basically the picture.

Spencer Lehman

Analyst

Okay. And then your goal is to be 100% out of China?

Frank Manning

Analyst

So basically -- meanwhile, let me just give you one counter example, that's just it's almost -- it's really what I meant. We still make, I'll say, some very old technology dialogue modems that people still buy for terminals and things like that. And that's now worth moving out of China. Honestly, it just doesn't -- there's not enough money there we're flying. But the big picture is that we're on a mission to move out of China. And that's -- all the important products will be out of China.

Spencer Lehman

Analyst

Yes. And will that continue? Even though, let me say, currently in the news, there was some thoughts, Trump trying to -- or at least he saying that with getting close to -- with China to reduce or eliminate the tariffs, would that change your momentum? Or would you continue to move with the Vietnam?

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Spencer, we're going to continue. We're committed to the move. Once you make that commitment. There's a lot of wheels that are in motion and then to turn around and go backwards, that's not the plan. Vast majority of our products, the high-volume movers will all move outside of China.

Spencer Lehman

Analyst

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. And you don't see any problem with the quality or the expense of re-doing this and with your new manufacturers? Is that a fairly easy transition?

Frank Manning

Analyst

I wouldn't say that it's fairly easy. I would say it's something that we, as a company, have to be right on top of and closely manage. So that -- you're raising a point that is a fair point and is certainly one that we've been thinking of. And so we're going to tightly control the quality and watch and make sure. The point I want to make is that we are running a - our strategy is to run a dual approach. While we ramp up and move production into Vietnam. We will continue for some period with China, just to make sure that there is a smooth transition. Everything is fine with the S&P and the production lines and so forth. And once we're confident, and we see the quality levels are exactly where we want them to be, then we will go full switch over, but we do have a plan to have overlap.

Spencer Lehman

Analyst

Okay. Well, that sounds very prudent and so good luck and thanks for a great call.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Spencer.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Paul Lucat, a private investor.

Paul Lucat

Analyst

Hi, guys. Nice growth last quarter. I just wanted to see if we can get some color on the customer premises equipment sales efforts? Are you guys able to comment at all about any number of product samples delivered to customers, trials and progress or anything that could give an indication of how open those doors are for Zoom, Motorola?

Frank Manning

Analyst

And here, I think you're probably focusing on the service providers. Is that correct?

Paul Lucat

Analyst

Correct. Yes.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Yes. So right now, we are having, as I mentioned, discussions, meetings with the service providers. The interest with the service providers that we're having discussions with is definitely a move towards more of the DOCSIS 3.1 products as they're looking at their next budget spends and so forth. So as we are bringing in a new manufacturing partner for a majority of those products. As we have samples, we will be providing them to them. So at this point, the samples, we have not provided them samples of DOCSIS 3.1, but it is our plan to have that to them by this quarter.

Paul Lucat

Analyst

Great, great. Also, the timeline for having routers that would be compatible with Minim service offerings? Can you comment on when you anticipate having routers that are compatible with Minim's sessional services?

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

We are integrating Minim as we speak. But I would say -- and I would say that Q1 will be ready for commercial availability.

Frank Manning

Analyst

And just to clarify that, so I agree with that answer. But we're trying to put Minim in a new product that has router capability and some products that are already shipping that have router capability. So it's a big task, and it's happening. And I think Joe's answer is correct. But what you'll see over the years is just more and more of our products with Minim capability.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Absolutely.

Paul Lucat

Analyst

And on that topic, are you only targeting cable modems routers with Minim capability? Or will you be expanding that to DSL capable modems or wireless modems? Are you just going to carve out the cable modem issue with the Minim?

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

No, no. It's not just -- it's not just cable modems. It's cable modems, it's WiFi Mesh, routers, it's a number of devices. I wouldn't say DSL, ex-DSL is a key focus for us. But certainly, all other devices. The -- most of the devices that we have with gateway, wireless capability, we will try to integrate Minim.

Paul Lucat

Analyst

Great. And as you're developing all these next-generation products and services for -- under the Motorola name. I was wondering when is the Motorola license due for renewal? And will you be able to secure a longer-term to secure the great investment you're making for that brand name?

Frank Manning

Analyst

Our current contract expires at the end of 2020. So a little over a year from now. And I would say that we have high confidence that we will renew that contract. That's not a guarantee, but I think it's highly likely that we will renew that contract. And that you can as you can guess, we've been actively working on it, and we were pleased with the progress, but we're not over the goal line yet.

Paul Lucat

Analyst

Great. And lastly, would you guys give a comment on the emergency -- not the emergency, but the Board meeting that was called together last Monday by Jeremy Hitchcock, just there's a note in 13 GE [ph] filed about a Board meeting. Could you comment on anything that was discussed and any initiatives that might have come out of that?

Frank Manning

Analyst

I can comment, not necessarily everything that was discussed. But basically, one Board member, Jeremy Hitchcock, wanted the board to consider whether I should step down as CEO. And the results of that meeting is that I didn't step down as CEO because the directors did not support that concept. But I do hope to step down as CEO once we execute the plan, a graceful plan that makes sense for the company, including transitioning a lot of the jobs that I'm doing now. But I think the -- I think that, that was a worthwhile discussion, and it ended in a very positive way for the company and for me. And so I think it worked out very well, actually.

Paul Lucat

Analyst

Great. I think, yes, you built the company and have done a great job, and reasonable succession plan would seem to be in order at this time. So I'm excited to be an investor with the new technologies that are coming into the company and look forward to what you'll have to report next quarter.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Thank you, Paul.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question is from the line of Walter Young with Edmonds Private Cap [ph]

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. My question is - two questions. One is, when you go back to the tariff relief, is it retroactive? Can you give a little more detail? If you are successful, what happens or what your probabilities are?

Frank Manning

Analyst

Yes. It is retroactive. And if one product wins in a category, unless that price is then put into a new category, which is unlikely, the whole category wins. So by the end of the year, it will be well over $3 million in play in terms of this issue. And so obviously, it was very important. We put a lot of focus on it. But we also kept working hard on the rest of our business, obviously. But yes, it is retroactive.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. And then the second part is on the Motorola license, and let's say, you were successful in -- before December of 2020, what is the likely term of that license, how long?

Frank Manning

Analyst

Well, I think Motorola typically has a license term that's 4 or 5 years.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Before 3 to 5?

Frank Manning

Analyst

No. 4 to 5 years.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Those were my questions. It sounds exciting for next year. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Ian Cassel with MicroCapClub.

Ian Cassel

Analyst

Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for the time this morning, the professional presentation. Appreciate it. I just have one quick question, and you have in the presentation that if you were taking all the tariff situation out of it, even you would have produced an $800,000 profit versus the $200,000 loss. And that $200,000 loss might have been positively impacted by sort of a blend between the 10% and 25% tariff situation. But my question is kind of comparing, producing product out of China and producing product out of Vietnam, sort of -- if there was no tariffs, obviously, on either side of that, what is the difference like the margin profile between producing out of Vietnam versus producing product out of China with no tariff situation?

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

I'll take that one. Ian, so with Vietnam for a manufacturer who's established and been manufacturing in Vietnam for, say, a number of years, you would actually see a lower cost than China. However, because of all this activity that's taking place right now with numerous companies moving out of China. There is a slight increase starting to produce those products in Vietnam as a lot of the Chinese manufacturers are moving into Vietnam, ramping up their team, bringing in people from China to help run the operations in Vietnam. So that's typically about 6%, higher than, say, where China normally runs at. But then over a period of time, and I would say, safely, 1.5 years to 2 years. That 6% would come down to par level of China and perhaps lower. So that's - and again, as we diversify our suppliers, our current manufacturer will probably see that slight increase from what we normally see in China without a tariff to about say, 5%, 6%. But as we bring on a new partner, and I'm very excited about the new partners that we're bringing on for most of our new products, it will actually be slightly lower than what we've seen in China because they have been manufacturing in Vietnam for close to 10 years.

Ian Cassel

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate that color. Thank you.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, there are no additional questions.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Well, thank you very much, Stephanie, and thanks for all the participants in the call. It's a pleasure to speak with you and hear your good questions.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

Frank Manning

Analyst

Goodbye then.

Joseph Wytanis

Analyst

Bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.