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Flushing Financial Corporation (FFIC)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 24, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to Flushing Financial Corporation's Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today are John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Susan Cullen, Senior Executive Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded and all participants are in a listen only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] A copy of the earnings release and slide presentation that the company will be referencing today are available on its Investor Relations website at flushingbank.com. Before beginning, the company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements. Such factors are included in the company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Flushing Financial Corporation does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable law. During this call, references will be made to non-GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with U.S. GAAP. For any information about these non-GAAP measures and reconciliation to GAAP measures, please refer to the earnings release. I'd now like to introduce John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will provide an overview of the strategy and results.

John Buran

President

Thank you. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2018 earnings call. Today, we hope to provide additional insight into our business strategy, sustainable competitive advantages and consistent positive earnings power. I'll begin by walking you through our third quarter highlights, and then provide an overview of the strategies we are executing to create long-term shareholder value. Then our CFO, Susan Cullen will review our financial performance in greater detail. After our prepared remarks Susan and I will address your questions. Beginning on slide three, third quarter 2018 GAAP diluted EPS was $0.61, and core diluted EPS was $0.54. Core earnings were positively impacted by the reversal of a previously recorded tax liability of approximately $2 million. The difference between GAAP and core earnings per share is attributable to approximately $2 million in gains from life insurance proceeds. Net interest income of nearly $42 million was down modestly quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year due to net interest margin pressure driven by higher funding cost. The cost of funds increased 22 basis points quarter-over-quarter and 48 basis points year-over-year as the Federal Reserve has raised rates by 100 basis points since the third quarter of 2017. The competition for deposits this quarter was especially strong in the municipal sector. Overall, we expect continued competition for deposits an additional compression on the net interest margin through 2019. We are pleased with our ability to generate strong earnings growth and return on average equity of nearly 13% and core return on average equity of over 11% despite continued margin pressure. Our strategic focus is emphasizing rate over volume and reducing our liability sensitive position has resulted in net loan growth of approximately 1% from the linked quarter. Similar to the prior quarter, we allowed $62 million of participations with…

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you, John. I'll begin on slide six. Total loans were $5.4 billion, up nearly 1% quarter-over-quarter and 6% from the third quarter of 2017, as we continue to focus on the origination of multifamily, commercial real estate and commercial business loans of full banking relationship. These originations totaled 89% of total loan production for the third quarter of 2018. We continue to diversify our loan portfolio as C&I originations for the quarter of 43% of total originations and 39% over the past five quarters. This has resulted in commercial business balances growing over 25% during the same period to approximately 16% of gross loans as of September 30, 2018. The growth in the C&I portfolio offer several advantages to the company primarily continue to diversification of the loan portfolio and as these are primarily adjustable rate loan, the yield offers more protection in the rising rate environment. Overall total loan growth is on pace to meet the lower end of the expected loan growth, while we continue to emphasize rate over volume. At September 30, our loan pipeline was strong up to $355 million, which is up from last quarter. The composition of the pipeline was 75% adjustable rate product or $265 million of the pipeline and 25% fixed rate. The interest rate and mortgage loans on pipeline increased slightly from last quarter to 468. The loan to value on our real estate portfolio at quarter-end remains the modest 39% and our debt service coverage ratio for the current quarter's originations of multifamily commercial real estate and one to corporate and mixed-use loan is 173%. We underwrite, and stress test each individual loan using a cap rate in excess of mid-5% range. Slide seven highlights the composition of our funding mix. As funding has grown over the years, the…

John Buran

President

Thank you, Susan. On slide 16, I’d like to conclude by reviewing why we believe we are well-positioned for continuous strategic and profitable growth. Our vision is to be the preeminent community financial services company in our multi-cultural market area by exceeding customer expectations and leveraging our strong banking relationships. The New York city market with a strong Asian customer base in Flushing continues to represent a significant opportunity for us. We remain focused on providing a superior and consistent experience that every touchpoint for our customers through innovation, quality service and personalized attention. We have a strong foundation with attractive markets and customers a proven track record and an experience leadership team to execute our strategy. In conclusion our strong balance sheet, risk management philosophy, capital levels, ability to grow deposits, investments in talent, innovation and cyber security all position the company very well to deliver profitable growth and long-term value to our shareholders. We will now open it up to questions. Operator I’ll turn it over to you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question today will come from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler O’Neill. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Hey guys, good morning.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Good morning.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Susan just to clarify you said in your comments that you expect NIM pressure to persist through 2019 do you think based on what you see today do you think in the magnitude of the margin compression in each subsequent quarter will look similar to what we saw this quarter or does it do you think it elevates as we get further into 2019?

Susan Cullen

CFO

I think it’s going to be driven by the data that we see on the deposit pricing. We’re seeing the loan starts to turn the corner, but we’ve seen more and more pressure on our deposit pricing, so the data is really going to be the driver of our NIM compression.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then at what CD term are you having the most success in bringing new money in and at what sort of rate?

Susan Cullen

CFO

It’s about the nine months, 240.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

In around 240, okay.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Right.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

And then I know you touched on this a little bit in your comments and certainly your credit quality is outstanding but the loan loss reserve to loan ratio, it continues to skinny down at 38 basis points, it looks optically low. When you think we’d see a resumption of provisioning?

Susan Cullen

CFO

Well, we’ve evaluated every quarter Mark and here we had some of those recoveries this quarter that messed a little bit. The loan growth unfortunately has been a little on this skinny side as you say. We’ve been at 38 basis points for a couple of quarters now. We have the low LTVs in our commercial portfolio, commercial real estate portfolio, we expect normalizing it soon in next couple quarters given loan growth as we said.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Thank you.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you, Mark.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Steve Comery of G Research. Please go ahead.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

Hey guys, good morning.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Good morning Steve.

John Buran

President

Hi Steve.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

I was wondering if maybe you could give a little more color on sort of the C&I rates and the quarter on and explain kind of why the initial rate was lower? The magnitude there looks pretty significant like 4.5% versus 4.9% previous quarter.

John Buran

President

So some of them were priced at they spread over LIBOR most from a prices at a spread over LIBOR and this is a competitive market and as a result, the initial rates are a little bit less than let's say our initial rates on commercial real estate are, but over time we expect that we will continue to see some protection let's say on the margin due to the fixing of the spreads versus LIBOR. In addition, we're focused on the C&I business that has high credit quality. So obviously, that makes the rate a little bit more competitive than what we would normally see in that C&I portfolio.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Thanks. And then on kind of non-interest-bearing deposits on our period end basis, those are up pretty nicely. Is there anything differently you guys are doing there any more business you're getting from C&I, what's coming through there?

John Buran

President

So, in C&I, but I've got to say that we've got a lot going on in the Win Flushing program and we're very excited about that the results are strong over $100 million of additional deposits. And despite the fact that some of them are oriented towards obviously CDs. There is quite a bit of non-interest-bearing accounts coming in associated with the new businesses that we're bringing in the flushing marketplace particularly.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

Okay. So, this is a different strategy just kind of things are starting to pay off with Win Flushing and C&I.

John Buran

President

Yes, I think what we're finding is that we hit upon a method of going into a market and a more concentrated manner and achieving some very nice results. I mean, we expect to pick up a 4 point of market share in this in $16 billion market. So, it's pretty significant and we also feel that we can take these learnings and move them out to other potential ethnic areas.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

Okay. Very good. If I can switch gears more to go to the CRE portfolio. I mean, it looks like, I mean growth was kind of negative in the quarter in those categories on a periodic basis. Is anything changing there or is that still sort of less attractive to you C&I at this point?

John Buran

President

It's competitive obviously. I'll remind you again that we did have over the course of the nine months over $139 million of participations that we chose not to be a part of, because the yields are in the three area. So, we're really focused on continuing to diversify our portfolio. And of course, we do like real estate, we do think there are still opportunities in commercial real estate. But if the new loan yields are not meeting our expectations, we'd rather leave the powder dry for a better day and we fortunately have been in the C&I business for over 10 years. And as a result, we've got a track record there, we brought new people on to help us grow the portfolio. So, we've got the ability to increase in an attractive market and attractive product set. And frankly, if real estate comes back and the yields are to liking will be happy to jump in again. But until that, we'll concentrate a little bit more on the C&I which was about 39% of our originations for the year.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just one more from me, if I may on. You guys are obviously active repurchasing during the quarter. In the past, as this is certainly outdated a couple years ago, you talked about like the $20 level being sort of extremely attractive to repurchase the stock. Maybe if you just give some kind of updated guidance about you sort of your appetite for repurchases whether or not you expect to use your authorization and ask for more there?

Susan Cullen

CFO

We anticipate opportunistically purchasing in the market as the market presents itself to allow us to do that. We do anticipate using up our full allotment that the board gave us. I can't give you any indication of what the timeframe over which we will use that, but we do intend on using it all.

Steven Comery

Analyst · G Research. Please go ahead

Okay, very good. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Collyn Gilbert of KBW. Please go ahead.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thanks. Good morning everyone.

John Buran

President

Good morning Collyn.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

John, just to back to your comment on the fact that you guys chose not to be a part of the slug of the - book that you allowed it to reprice elsewhere. Just curious, you had mentioned in the 3% range. Who was financing those, were those traditional bank lenders or non-bank lenders?

John Buran

President

Traditional bank lenders.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And then I guess along those lines, two questions. One is, Susan you had indicated that your kind of are expecting the loan growth to be at the lower end of your targeted range and I apologize if you said, what that was. But just curious now what you're thinking in terms of all in loan growth for 2019?

Susan Cullen

CFO

We're probably looking around the 6% range.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And that slide is powerful, when you show kind of where your current portfolio yield is and where you think that repricing rate could go. Do you see the risk in a similar dynamic happening next year where these credits can just refinance at much lower levels elsewhere and you maybe won't participate in retaining those loans?

John Buran

President

So, remember there is a cost associated with not doing this general role. So, where we are today is that those customers would have to go out and get new appraisals, they'd have new legal fees. So, there is a whole host of costs associated with that. Now, we may not make every penny on the 6% that we're looking at for 2019 and 2020, but we do think we've got a significant amount of leverage and we expect to utilize that. As I said we've gotten other opportunities to grow the portfolio if necessary. In addition, we firmly believe that other lenders who may be undercutting pricing now will ultimately have to increase rates which would make our position better.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, that's helpful. And then just on the deposit side, what are you anticipating kind of overall deposit growth rates for next year?

John Buran

President

We're thinking around the 10% area.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And do you have a sense of what of the new deposits that came in this quarter that have come in year to date. How much of that is new customers versus current customers just shifting out of the savings of the money markets into those CDs?

John Buran

President

We think given what's been happening in Flushing that we're getting a few more new customers coming in. There is clearly much more - I’ll give you a perfect example. We did a -- we recently did a business blitz in the Flushing market. And although, we're still a relatively small bank in that market, people knew us and so I think that the recognition of the name and the recognition that we're doing something special in that market has taken hold. So, we think we're getting more new customers, I mean it appears that way for sure.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just on the non-interest-bearing deposit side, you had indicated increase 10% year over year and it's 9% of the total. Where do you think that segment can continue to go?

John Buran

President

I think we have some opportunity there. We again we've clearly been successful in this one segment of the market. We're doing more C&I business which of course brings more DDA with it. So, I think those factors contribute to some positive growth in that in a non-interest-bearing area. So, it's not an area that we had a lot of successes in the past, but clearly the 11% 10%, 11% that we've gotten over the course of the last 12 months has made us more confident.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And just so kind of looking at all of this broadly. I think if we assume and I haven't run the numbers, but continued NIM compression into 2019 and just the slower loan growth, I presume we're going to see some savings obviously come through from the branch sort of universal banker. But it seems like earnings or may kind of running to be flat if not down in 2019. I'm just curious where you kind of see the levers to pull that. I mean is it going to be, and again Susan I know you'd indicated that maybe the provisions started to normalize so maybe won't get an offset there. I don't know if how you're thinking about the tax rate. But just trying to get a sense of maybe where you see some offsets coming from what will likely be flat to perhaps down net interest income growth, or perhaps you're not seeing at that way?

John Buran

President

Well, we think that one of the things that held back loan growth this particular year was at $139 million that we did not do in real estate participations. So, we don't foresee that occurring again as for sure. And I think there is some additional expense opportunities that we can pick up over the course of the year as well. So, that in association with the role on the yields that we just discussed from a 4 handle to roughly a 6 handle in 2019. The additional C&I business that now floats over moves in LIBOR. And the swaps that we have which were the first time this quarter have contributed positively to our NIM. So those are kind of the offsets to the margin pressures the kind of generic margin pressure that we have as a result of the as a result of the balance sheet.

Susan Cullen

CFO

And Collyn as we said in the past, we'll again opportunistically look at other derivative type transactions that would give us protection or additional protection in a rising rate environment. So, we have that that lever that we may be able to pull as well.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, great. That's great. All right, thank you. I'll leave it there.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from Brody Preston of Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Good morning everyone. How are you?

Susan Cullen

CFO

Good morning.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

I guess I just want to go back to the participations real quick. Are those multi-family loans or what asset class are those?

John Buran

President

Sorry. We didn't get the question?

Susan Cullen

CFO

You are on mute, Brody.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Yes, sorry about that. On the participations, I just want to know what asset class.

John Buran

President

Multifamily.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

And is that in market?

John Buran

President

Yes.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Doing those rates.

John Buran

President

It's in-market product. It's an in-market product and an in-market bank.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. All right, great. I guess, I just want to touch on credit real quick. I appreciate the fact that you guys have really pristine credit quality. And I guess maybe the growth outlook is a little slower. But given how well you guys have been doing growing the C&I part of the portfolio. I guess I wanted to get a sense for how you provision for that segment of the ortfolio.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Well, we provisioned for that segment like the other segments we look at the collateral we have and or use a discounted cash flow analysis to determine if there was any impairment and loss to be recognized.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. Is there do you have and like sort of an average provision that you sort of apply to that portfolio?

Susan Cullen

CFO

Well, we take our historical three-year charge-offs in that and adjust for qualitative factors that are outlined in our agency statement. I don't want to give out what our percentages are from our competition’s sake. But yes, we do have numbers and we look out them and we apply those and compare it to our balances and the discount cash flows in the collateral for impaired loans.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then I know the tax rate guide for 2019, for the 4Q is 21%. Is that sort of the run rate you expect moving forward?

Susan Cullen

CFO

No, we haven’t finalized all of our 2019; you’re really finding that as we wanted the budgeting process. As I’m sitting here right now that would be a good estimate, but that’s subject to change.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then in the release you had mentioned you did have some classified assets that were still performing and still accruing, but you had put them sort of in the classified just given the trip from covenants. I wanted to get a better sense I guess maybe without going into specifics for those bonds, but what are some of the typical covenants that you have within your various CRE and C&I loans?

John Buran

President

So, it might a leveraged covenant that was violated let’s say. We typically have a variety of liquidity leverage covenants, covenants with respect to the amount of capital that owners can take out of the company at any given point in time. Obviously, we’ve got income and also reporting. So, these are the kind of things that we generally put into reporting delays. These are the kind of things that we typically put in as covenants.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then I guess you read a bunch of articles that -- with larger loans, sort of the proliferation of [Indiscernible] type of loans and I wanted to get a sense for if you’ve seen any of that for maybe some of your type clients, your clients, are they coming to you expecting maybe fewer covenants than they have in the past?

John Buran

President

So, the market is competitive for sure. And I’ll kind of bring you back to the comment I made earlier about pricing versus credit quality. The pricing has been tight and we’re much more comfortable taking on tight pricing than lose credit criteria of lose covenants. So, we try and stay away from overleveraged companies or companies that -- or arrangements that are light on covenants. We’d sooner take a little bit of -- a little bit less in terms of yield on the credit, on the floating rate loans, but get a better-quality credit.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. Okay that makes sense. And I guess the loan-to-value ratio on a lot of your real estate loans is pretty low, I think it’s in like the 40% type of range. And so, I wanted to get an idea as to -- I guess are borrowers bringing 60% down for that or like of their own equity or how are your borrowers’ sort of financing that 60%. Is it all out of pocket or are they getting maybe some debt to do that?

John Buran

President

These maybe REIT, these maybe refis in many cases. And then we also tend to bank real estate owners and real estate investors that had been in the business for a long time and have a track record. And anybody who has been in the business for the long time doesn’t typically put a lot of leverage on in their portfolio.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay, that’s great.

Susan Cullen

CFO

I would just like to remind you Brody that we don’t adjust the denominator on those, those are the loan-to-value calculations, that’s loan-to-value at origination where we’ve had updates. We’re not taking the old appraisals when we originate a loan and increasing it for rates indexes in this market area.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. So, that’s based off the previous appraisal value?

Susan Cullen

CFO

Original appraisal.

John Buran

President

Yes, the original appraisal. I mean if we refi it and get a new appraisal, we’ll adjust them. But we don’t adjust it year-over-year because prices are going up in Manhattan or in Brooklyn.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. All right. So, that loan-to-value ratio could be even more risk [ph] then?

Susan Cullen

CFO

Correct. It could be.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

All right that’s good and then I just want to go back to the pipeline the pipeline has picked up here relative to last quarter and the yield has a little bit too I just want to get a sense for how you define your pipeline are those loans that you have term sheets held on?

John Buran

President

Usually there is usually some cash on the line, so it is a matter of fact there is always some cash on the line in these particular risk businesses so our real estate portfolio some of these put down money to start our processing.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay, so the pull through rate on that portfolio should be relatively higher than right?

John Buran

President

Yes, that’s -- yes it is, it is.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, I appreciate that you guys typically have some seasonality within some of your deposit categories in the third quarter and driven by municipalities but this year the now seasonality was much larger much greater than past years and you saw a really, really big inflow into money markets and so I want to understand is that a bit of a mix shift from your typical municipal clients or is there something else going on there?

John Buran

President

No, I think it’s fairly -- I think it’s fairly typical in terms of the seasonal pattern sometimes you get a few weeks or a few weeks on or off the typical pattern, but we’re now in the area where in December the money markets will be down a little bit so now accounts rather it will be down a little bit and then they’ll come back very-very strong in January. So, we had a slight build, we get a slight build in the third quarter reduces a little bit in the fourth quarter and then comes back very strong in the first quarter so that’s typically what we see.

Brody Preston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Okay. All right, great. That’s all I had guys. Thank you very much.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

John Buran

President

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen this will conclude our question and answer session. at this time, I’d like to turn the conference back over to John Buran for any closing remarks.

John Buran

President

Yes, thank you very much. So, I think the thing that I’d like to invest is to keep in mind about the company and I think it’s something that people have been with us for a long time. We run the company on a long-term basis. Obviously, we have the balance sheet that we have. It is a liability sensitive balance sheet, but we’re taking all measures that we possibly can to increase our opportunities for additional yield in loans, while we are trying to control our funding cost. So, we’ve got a few things going on that are moving us in the right direction and I think if you look at banks with similar balance sheets, I think you’ll recognize that we have some opportunities due to diversification and situations that we put in place in terms of hedging strategies that’ll put us in a position to turn the corner at least as good as most and possibly better. So, I thank you all for your attention. And if you have any other questions, feel free to give us a call. Thank you.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.