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First Financial Bancorp. (FFBC)

Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 26, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the First Financial Bancorp Second Quarter 2013 Earnings Call and Webcast. All participants will be a listen-only mode. (Operator Instructions) Please note this event is being recorded. And I would now like to turn the conference over to Ken Lovik, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.

Ken Lovik

Management

Thank you, Emily. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss First Financial Bancorp’s second quarter 2013 financial results. Discussing our operating and financial results today will be Claude Davis, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Tony Stollings, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I would like to mention that both the press release we issued yesterday announcing our financial results for the quarter and the accompanying supplemental presentation are available on our website at www.bankatfirst.com under the Investor Relations section. Please refer to the forward-looking statement disclosure contained in the second quarter 2013 earnings release as well as our SEC filings for a full discussion of the company’s risk factors. The information we will provide today is accurate as of June 30, 2013, and we will not be updating any forward-looking statements to reflect facts or circumstances after this call. I will now turn the call over to Claude Davis.

Claude Davis

Management

Thanks Ken and thanks everyone for joining the call today. We are pleased to report second-quarter net income of $15.8 million or $0.27 per diluted share, representing an increase of $2 million or 14.5% compared to the linked quarter. Return on assets was 1.01% and return on tangible common equity was 10.54% for the quarter. Our results for the quarter were impacted by several non-operating items that in total reduced net income by $1.1 million or $0.02 per share. Excluding these items, return on assets was 1.08% and return on tangible common equity was 11.3%. Loan growth continues to be solid as we achieved our fifth consecutive quarter of growth in our uncovered portfolio, which increased $133.3 million or 16.5% on an annualized basis compared to the prior quarter. The growth was driven through multiple channels led by strong performance in our specialty finance, C&I and commercial real estate units. And for the third consecutive quarter uncovered loan growth exceeded the decline in our covered loan portfolio as total balances grew $67.8 million. This translates into 6.9% growth on an annualized basis which represents a solid growth rate in its own right compared to overall industry performance. Our pipeline of new business opportunities remained strong. While the market remains competitive and economic growth in our local markets remain slow yet stable, through our strong sales efforts we are capitalizing on opportunities and remain optimistic that business confidence will continue to improve. While average deposit balances remain relatively flat quarter over quarter, now almost 80% of deposits consist of non-time accounts contributing to a stronger, more core funded balance sheet. Over the long-term though, asset growth will be dependent on our ability to increase core deposits and our consumer and commercial banking teams are focused on strategies to drive this growth.…

Tony Stollings

Management

Thank you, Claude. Our second-quarter adjusted pretax pre-provision earnings of $26.4 million, which excludes certain items related to covered loan activity as well as other significant items, increased approximately 5% quarter over quarter. As shown on slides three and four of the supplement, this is 1.68% of average assets on an annualized basis. Total interest income declined 1.2 million or 2% compared to the linked quarter due to lower interest income earned on loans, a small decline in interest income earned on investment securities and modestly higher amortization of the indemnification assets during the period. The decline in interest income on loans was primarily the result of a 9.8% decrease in the average balance of covered loans and a 42 basis point decline in the yield on covered loans compared to the linked quarter. This impact from covered loan activity was partially offset by a $109 million or 3.4% increase in average uncovered loan balances, as well as modestly higher loan fees. However we continued to see a significant difference in the yields on new loan originations compared to loans that pay off as the yields earned on uncovered loans declined 4 basis points during the quarter. Lower second quarter interest income from investment securities resulted from a $134 million or 7.3% decline in average balances compared to the linked quarter, partially offset by a 10 basis point increase in the portfolio yield, largely driven by stabilization in the premium amortization during the period. The decline in securities balances during the quarter was intentional as we began to slow our pace of reinvestment late in the first quarter in order to balance loan demand and deposit outflows. This strategy continued throughout the second quarter as a result of sustained loan demand and as part of the company’s strategies to maintain…

Claude Davis

Management

Thanks Tony, and we would be happy to open the call for questions now.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Scott Siefers with Sandler O'Neill.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

Tony, I guess the first question is probably most appropriate for you. I was wondering if you could add a little more color on the unwinding of the prefunding initiative and just give us sort of a sense for how far through that process you are? And I know in your prepared remarks you’d suggested that the securities portfolio decline could accelerate in coming quarters but just sort of curious as to – order of magnitude how much more could that come down, what’s the final goal or resolution?

Tony Stollings

Management

Well, if you recall back when we put the initiative in place, we purposely set it up to where we could unwind it over a 12 month period and at that time we were optimistic about loan demand and that's certainly come into play. I don't think anyone anticipated the move in rates that occurred starting in May but given both of those we thought it was prudent to begin to unwind. We have two portfolios, we have the held to maturity which kind of sits and does what it does, and then we have available-for-sale which we have a lot more flexibility on. So we are content right now given all the other balance sheet dynamics and where the market is to just let it be a more organic or natural unwind. But should the market provide us the opportunity we might accelerate that up, particularly if loan demand stays strong.

Claude Davis

Management

And Tony – we will do it also, Scott, in the context of just what the overall asset sensitivity is and what the loan growth is. So we've not put in place a specific target or a dollar amount, if you will, but really it’s more tied to managing the overall balance sheet rate sensitivity.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

And then just a couple additional questions just on fees and expenses, obviously the fee number jumped pretty substantially from the first quarter, and you offered the color on why but just curious that kind of 16.5 million sort of core run rate, do you think that's a level you guys can sustain here as we look forward? And then the final question is on probably best for you Claude on the efficiency, you mentioned that you’re going to be discussing some additional initiative in the third quarter. How are you thinking about that in terms of scope, are they just kind of smaller add-ons relative to the heavy lifting you’ve already done or would this be another relatively large new program, how are you thinking about that kind of dynamic?

Claude Davis

Management

Sure. Yeah, the first thing I would say is, Scott, on the fees, first quarter is traditionally a low quarter for us as it relates to fees. There was nothing in that second quarter items whether that unusual or significant that we wouldn’t expect to recur but Tony, now you want to add if there is any –

Tony Stollings

Management

Yeah, I think it’s pretty much what you see there, except there is some impact from rising rates and around our derivative portfolio and that I think as everyone knows that’s subject to some volatility. So – but outside of that I think the fee income that you see there is largely what we would expect.

Claude Davis

Management

Our mortgage banking piece is not a big part, I mean it’s a nice and growing part and it’s one where we’re continuing to invest in, Scott, I think it was over a million in the second quarter. We are seeing nice purchase applications, we know refinances will decline some but fortunately at this point in this development we don’t have the same exposure that maybe others do in that category. On the expense initiative side, yeah I don’t mean in any way to signal that it would be anything a significant as the 17 million we announced. I would say it’s – the things we are working on, I would call them more incremental than the 17 but still important and significant to us in achieving our earnings goals and objectives long-term. And it won’t just stop at the third quarter, we feel like ongoing efficiency work is critical. And we do that through process reviews through evaluations of all the business lines and the profitability, everything that we’re doing we’re evaluating, as well as, as the loss share portfolio continues to decline we would expect the expenses associated with managing that to decline as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Emlen Harmon of Jefferies.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

A quick follow up on the last question on expenses, and you guys are tracking pretty well versus that $17 million number that you had I think initially hoped to hit by year end of this year. I was just curious how much of that is just kind of timing, you’re getting it faster versus maybe finding a little bit more, than you thought was there originally just kind of with what you had identified?

Claude Davis

Management

Yes, on the 17, most of that is timing, although I mentioned in the Scott question, we know that’s not sufficient to meet our efficiency objective. And so we are continuing to look for additional opportunities and as I mentioned and I’ll just keep emphasizing it, is we also have a fair amount of loss share expenses that we should see continue to decline as we get into later stage of next year when you look at total cost and total expenses.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

And then just a couple of questions on capital, I guess, when you think about a 60% to 80% payout ratio, would imply that there is some capital built underlying, how do you think about just kind of a trajectory – to think about the trajectory of capital ratios with organic growth coming into the mix as well? And then also just if you could give us an update on what you think Basel III impact is now that we have a better sense of what the final rules are?

Claude Davis

Management

Sure and I will make a couple of comments and Tony can fill in as well. You are right, 60%, 80% we reason we pick that is based on what we believe are good organic asset growth rates that the capital retention over time would support the organic asset growth. But if you look at our current capital ratios compared to our – the new targets we announced in my comments, there is still a [nice excess] [ph] above that and that was related to my point on M&A that we continue to look for opportunities for growth initiatives and that hopefully our earnings retention will support organic asset growth and, that that additional capital is available for us to deploy with M&A opportunities that we hope we can identify and execute. Certainly if we don't succeed on either one of those then we are going to have to come back and look at our capital plans, which we’ve always done as we think about being shareholder friendly.

Tony Stollings

Management

Yeah, the capital planning process is continuous. Our early look at Basel, it’s impactful but we are estimating it’s probably a 60 to 70 basis point impact to us and much of that impact we believe that we could manage away by the time actual implementation comes in. So it’s just that balance of having the right amount of capital and not too much capital. We don’t worry about having too little, it’s too much and we balance that against the opportunities that come our way. So it’s a continuous process and every component of it is under review. Also as part of our planning process now, we're also looking at the composition of our capital structure. We’re very almost totally calm and happy and we think we have some opportunity to not only enhance and strengthen our ratios but also have a more efficient structure. So all those things are in the planning process.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

So would it be fair to say that like you kind of – as far as the ratios are concerned you’re kind of thinking about – with the organic growth kind of keeping those steady here over the near term?

Claude Davis

Management

Yeah, I would say on a ratio basis – the one thing that’s changing for us is – as you look forward to loss share and the end of loss share at the end of next year our risk weighted assets will increase just as a result of the determination of that and -- if you take a look at the loss share assets today they would have a 20% risk weighting because of the loss share agreement, if – when those convert to a 100% that as an example would be about a 100 plus – 100 basis point plus impact, that balance will be smaller at that point in time but we also expect to have loan growth during the period. So the point being is our risk weighted asset growth will be higher than many over the next 12 to 24 months because of the expiration of the loss share agreement. But with our capital ratio position we feel very good about having some dry power if you will to pursue M&A opportunities.

Tony Stollings

Management

And we have factored that risk weighted asset conversion into our planning.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

And you just hit on M&A opportunities, I guess what’s the environment like out there today, I guess we started to see few more deals kind of – few more deals starting in the surface and just kind of – increase the stock prices at least it feels like that’s kind of making some sellers a little bit – bring more sellers I guess to the table. But could you give us an update just on kind of volume of conversations and just kind of at the level volume of share you are gaining from potential targets?

Claude Davis

Management

Well, I would say obviously we all see the same thing in terms of the announced deals and it feels like things are beginning to improve as it relates to the opportunities. And it’s an area that we continue to be interested in and as I commented in my prepared comments both in a bank level but also in business line levels and that’s something that we are going to continue to actively – and I wouldn’t – I don’t know that I draw too much to comment on conversations but I guess we are hopeful that that would be an opportunity for us going forward. If it’s not, we feel good about our organic growth prospects, our organic profitability prospects and we will continue to pursue those as the primary strategy. But yeah, we’re hopeful as you are that the things will begin to heat up if you will in the M&A market.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Chris McGratty of KBW.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is [Mike Fredo] stepping on for Chris. I guess first, quick questions on securities book, the yield was up 10 basis points, and I saw on the text in the release that it’s primarily premium amortization. But I guess what do you guys see on the yield side, are you guys still punched upon lower than what’s rolling off – is that gap closing?

Tony Stollings

Management

First of all, we are not putting a lot on, we’ve done – I would describe them as very select opportunistic buys in the last few months. But most of these new purchases would be above the 2008, as I said they are opportunistic. Most of it has been just the stabilization of the premium amortization.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Do you guys have an expectation to that going forward, is that – should you think that’s a swing yields in the coming quarters at all or should –

Claude Davis

Management

I would love to see a significant change in the overall yield. Again it’s going to be largely dependent on where rates go as well. But –

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then just one quick one on M&A, what kind of – when you guys think about – what kind of is your target size you think you guys would like to add, so maybe any other color on what exactly you are looking for in the market to acquire?

Claude Davis

Management

We don’t necessarily think about it, Mike, in terms of target size. As you would expect there is extremes on both ends in terms of thing that are too small to dedicate resources to and things that are too large that may destroy the culture or it would be too high of operational rut. Our focus is more on the strategy piece and that is – is the deal strategic for us and our business and that could give both whole bank as well as product line driven. We have proven through the deals we did in ’09 and when we doubled the size of company that we can integrate – even acquisitions as large as I. So I think we’re confident in the operational integration capability no matter the size, it’s more a function of its –

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Bryce Rowe of Robert W. Baird.

Bryce Rowe - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

A few questions, first one, Tony, saw a nice decline in the cost of average interest-bearing deposits. Can you tell us what the average cost of CDs did in the quarter and what the expectation is going toward with coming on the CDs rolling off and where they are rolling off in terms cost?

Tony Stollings

Management

Let me get this cost number for you here. But just from a general – just like our overall time deposits for the quarter were about 104 and that’s down about 16 basis points from the second quarter – from the first quarter. And our focus outside of just being rationally priced, we have talked in previous quarters about our single service CDs and trying to get those to the right price, or get them into other products. So that’s probably still the biggest opportunity that’s about – that category of CDs is about 27% of our balances, about $240 million. Now we have seen a particularly since first quarter because of some of our other deposit growth initiatives we've seen a higher retention rate on those than we had before, it was running about 60%. So there’s still some downward opportunity but probably not in the magnitude that we have seen in prior quarters.

Bryce Rowe - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

On the leverage program, just trying to get a feel for what an organic unwind would look like in terms of securities portfolio and then what to expect on the flip side on the liability side to get FHLB ---

Tony Stollings

Management

Again largely driven by what the longer-term rates do. The run-off of that portfolio is probably 20 to 25 a month, but that could swing, we are – those assets are largely mortgage related. So it’s impacted by the longer-term rates. So 20 to 25 is what we have been seeing.

Bryce Rowe - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Last question, Claude, you mentioned the potential resolution of large NPAs in your prepared remarks. Just wanted to get a better understanding of that and how large are those NPAs and what we might expect to see in terms of downward movement in non-accruals or NPAs –

Claude Davis

Management

I will give you some qualitative though, but I don’t want to into quantitative just because whenever you are dealing with nonperforming credits and resolution strategies, the timing of those can be pretty volatile to be honest. But as you know we are different than most banks is when you have a NPA bucket, there is always a few large ones and then a lot of smaller ones, and the reason for calling it out in my script is that few of the larger ones – obviously in our case it would be a few million dollars each, are ones that we feel like we are in a good position in nearing resolution -- near resolution on those future strategies, we have been working on for several quarters. So we are hopeful those will get done and accomplished this quarter. But I would say – I would just more focus – the trend will be down and obviously surprise is something moving into it but we expect the trend to be down and I just – at this point wouldn’t want to put a dollar figure on it until we have more certainty around the strategy resolution.

Bryce Rowe - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Are there specific reserves held against us –

Claude Davis

Management

Absolutely, yeah. It’s a part of our normal allowance process. Every classified credit and certainly non-performing credit is going to individual loan review to ensure that the appropriate reserve is on it.

Bryce Rowe - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Is it fair to expect a decline in the allowance (inaudible) loans this quarter, fair to expect that – if we get resolution of those larger NPAs?

Claude Davis

Management

I don’t think so. That’s – the outcome of the ebbs and flow is driven by our modeling -- anything that we wouldn’t -- that wouldn't have already occurred we didn’t have confidence in, would not be reflected in there yet. But most of the decline that you see in the ratio this quarter is driven by growth.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jon Arfstrom of RBC Capital Markets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Andy [ph] for Jon. I was just curious loan growth numbers were really impacted this quarter and just wondering if you could comment if that’s you’re seeing in converting covered loans you want to retain through core relationship?

Claude Davis

Management

In terms of the covered portfolio that we've managed and we’ve in last few quarters gone deeper breaking it out which is what we call – prefer to retain and prefer to exit, in those that we preferred to retain, we have always managed those as core relationship just as we manage legacy loans, they just happen to have a loss share guarantee on them, but in those cases, it’s almost irrelevant because they are good loans, they are paying, we don't expect to ever request payment from the FDIC. So we are now close to four years into both loss share agreements and so in those loans that we’d likely to retain we’re going in fact retain them, and if they weren’t happy with us, they would have left long ago. Now the balances need to come down because as you have a good loans that pay you back, so you continue to see that occur but as it relates to the relationship, we feel good about the relationships with those clients and we continue to pursue them for new loans, new deposit relationships etc. So obviously at this point I would call that a mature portfolio that there are clients we’ve retained them and hopefully we can do more business with those that we view as strategic core relationship.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I guess what I was trying to get at is of the 132 million loan growth this quarter, was any of that due to some of the covered loans –

Claude Davis

Management

No, those were all new relationships or expanded relationships with existing clients. That we don't include in that number any conversion of covered to uncovered.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then on the loan pipeline you mentioned that still remains strong. Just wondering has there any change in the composition of that and where you are seeing the vast risk adjusted spreads?

Claude Davis

Management

It’s been interesting, one of the things we did in 2011 was to begin to expand our product offerings. We added the asset based funding, equipment finance groups. We expanded our mortgage operations. And what we are seeing that is that, different quarters, different groups are having higher performance and it was a part of our original plan was to have a broader asset diversity, and that’s bearing now. And I think that’s a part of what’s translating into continued good loan growth for us is the investments we made to build out our asset diversity and our sales force in that asset diversity. And we actually included a slide this time in the supplement on the profile of the loan portfolio and that’s one that I particularly feel good about from the standpoint, if you look at the diversity now of our loan portfolio and how it’s growing, we are seeing different contributions from different areas at different times and that’s been a real positive for us. So it really moves from quarter to quarter. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, this last quarter we particularly saw good performance in what we call our specialty finance group, which is asset based funding and equipment finance as well as continued good movement in CRE and core C&I business. So that’s the plan and it's fortunately thanks to the really good sales staff bearing now.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Davis for any closing remarks.

Claude Davis

Management

Great, thank you very much and again thank you all for your interest in First Financial.