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Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 17, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Ferguson 2020 Half-Year Results Call. My name is Felicia and I'll be the operator assisting today. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that there can be a time delay between the conference call and webcast. If you have joined via conference call and would like to view the slides, we recommend you download them from www.fergusonplc.com. I will now hand over to your host today, Kevin Murphy, Chief Executive, to begin. Kevin, please go ahead.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Thank you, Felicia. Good morning, and welcome to this 2020 half year results conference call. You've got Mike and I presenting this morning. Naturally, we originally planned to be in London together during the presentation today with you face to face. On Friday, we decided to change this meeting to a call in light of the coronavirus pandemic. This was really in line with the principles we are operating in the business as we've stopped all international and all non-essential domestic business travel for the time being. As a result, Mike and I are on two different continents. And I hope you'll forgive us if we're a little less polished today, as in recent days we've been 100% focused on safeguarding our associates and operations in the business. So, today, we'll mainly focus on the half one results and the current situation regarding coronavirus. We scaled back our planned presentation on strategy and will present this in more detail at a later date once the current situation is clear. We're also acutely aware that all of you have a lot on your plates too, and we don't want to take up too much of your time. We will, of course, allow plenty of time for your questions at the end. As this is the first set of results since the handover from John Martin, I want to start by saying how proud I am to lead this great company. Some of you will be aware that I've been with Ferguson for over 20 years. I joined when we sold my family's business Midwest Pipe & Supply to Ferguson in 1999. I've been given some fantastic opportunities to work in a wide variety of operational roles in my time. This included 10 years as COO of the company, managing the P&Ls…

Mike Powell

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. And morning to everybody and thanks for your interest in clearly busy times. I'm therefore going to be somewhat briefer than in normal circumstances. The numbers on this slide are for the ongoing group, being the USA, Canada and central costs. I show the UK as non-ongoing separately and later. You can see we've had a good first six months. I'm particularly pleased with the gross margin progression in the second quarter. That brings the year-to-date performance in line with the last year. Put that alongside good cost control means we've continued to grow our trading profit faster than our revenue. And we've taken further market share in the US. Ongoing underlying trading profit of $747 million, up $33 million or nearly 5%. Headline EPS up 1.6% due to that increasing trading profit, offset by the higher tax rate as previously guided. Balance sheet in good shape, 1.1 times levered at half year. And recommended, the final dividend is increased by 7%, and that reflects our ongoing confidence in the business model long-term through cycle. With regards to that revenue and underlying trading profit growth, I've expanded on this chart the revenue growth of 4.3% and the profit growth of 4.6% into its component parts. You can see organic revenue growth. That grew by 2%, translating to 3.4% profit growth due to good gross margins and tight cost control and acquisitions contributing 2.3% to revenue, growing our trading profit 1.2% with the profit here shown net of integration and acquisition costs. Our largest region, the US, delivered a strong performance. We continue to grow the wider market in the US, deliver good revenue growth. Gross margins, well managed through good pricing discipline and vendor alignment. And we continue to manage cost base in the new lower growth environment…

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Mike, thank you so very much. Over the past 10 years, the group has exited a number of non-core businesses and we now have a much stronger, simpler, more focused business, with excellent positions in some very attractive markets. When we complete the demerger of the UK this year, we'll be focused solely on North America, with excellent positions in markets where we're well equipped to win. We're in great shape to capitalize on the opportunity to consolidate these markets, particularly in the US, and gain market share profitably. We now have a clean business and can concentrate solely on converting this large and attractive opportunity. Our industry is fragmented, which does create opportunities. We first focus on organic expansion and then selected bolt-on acquisitions across all of our business groups. We generate benefits of scale in areas like distribution, in technology, strengthening customer relationships that are uniquely local. We are always focused on ensuring the best human relationships exist together with the best digital relationship. As well as the group being more focused, today we also have a much more balanced business in the US. You can see from the chart on the right that we're much more focused on repair and remodel today than at any time in our history. This makes us a much more resilient business going forward. As an example, our Waterworks business pre-2008 was heavily focused on new single family residential construction work as there were 2.2 million new housing starts at the time. Today, we have a much more balanced business and we compete in a number of areas in addition to new residential construction, including commercial, public works, municipal, water and wastewater treatment plants, meters and metering technology and soil stabilization. This change in mix is represented across all of our traditional…

Operator

Operator

The first question we have from Paul Checketts from Barclays Capital. Paul, Your line is now open.

Paul Checketts

Analyst

Morning, guys. I've got three questions, please. Kevin, if you looked at the 60% of sales that is RMI, to the extent that is possible, how do you think that would split between repair, maintain and improve? I ask because I guess there are varying degrees of discretion within that customer spend. That's the first one. And the second one, if I look back over the last eight years or so, you've typically outgrown peers by about 2% to 4% on the sales line. How do you think that will behave in a downturn? And to what extent will the strategy allow you to capitalize on the strength of the balance sheet? And then lastly, Mike, could you just give us a run through of where you stand with regards to liquidity, please? Thanks.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Paul, can I trouble you to repeat the second question? We're having real trouble hearing you.

Paul Checketts

Analyst

Yeah, certainly. Let me try this. Is that better?

Mike Powell

Analyst

Yes. Thank you.

Paul Checketts

Analyst

Okay. Yeah, the second question I was asking, if I look at the sales performance versus peers over the last few years, I sort of come out at a level that where you've outperformed them by about 2% to 4% in terms of sales growth per year. How do you think that would develop in a downturn? Do you think you'd take more share? Was it about the same? Perhaps you could flesh out how the strategy could change and how you might fare compared to others?

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Yeah. Paul, thank you for the question. I'll start with the RMI side from a 60%. perspective. Yeah, that split is difficult to get at in terms of what is true break, fix versus what is renovation and pure repair model. Now, the good part about that is, from a contractor base, whether you're talking about waterworks, plumbing, commercial, there is fluid movement in terms of what work those contractors can do and many shift what their focus is depending on what that available workload is. And so, it's tough to get at in a pure product sense, whether you're talking about digital channels or whether you're talking about pure play branch order channels. But like I say, the good news is that momentum can shift as the market shifts over time. I think as you look at – the second question in terms of market outperformance and sales growth, probably get at that a couple different ways. As we look at the first half, I think we did a good job of balancing over market growth, gross margin, especially in an environment with tariffs and with commodities moving to deflation and just making sure that we delivered on the value that we provide and then also making sure that we had good cost base actions to make sure that we deliver trading profit growth ahead of sales growth in a slow growth market. As I think about us in a downturn, and I look back to comparisons in 2008/2009, I really am pleased with where we are from a balance sheet perspective and our ability to go out and grow over market with good solid inventory positions and a solid branch network nationwide and our ability to continue to take share as we move through a downturn and then exit what will hopefully be more of a V-shaped recovery. So, I'm actually more bullish on our ability during this downturn than if I reflect back to my time with 2008/2009. If that answers your questions, I'll turn the third one over to Mike on the liquidity side.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Kevin, thanks. Yeah. Paul, on liquidity, again, I'd echo Kevin's comments. We feel in a good place, strangely not knowing what the future holds. Why is that? Because we've got a good business model, great management, and we're well placed when the recovery comes. That's why we're looking after our associates today and our customers and the societies we operate in. It is fundamental that we do that. In terms of your question on liquidity, we have around – and I'll keep the numbers approximately right to make the note-taking easy. We have approximately $4 billion of facilities. About $2.5 billion of that has no financial covenants on it. That is made up of an RCF of $1.1 billion. That's a facility that we've just signed. That replaced the old £800 million facility. So, that $1.1 billion RCF is a 5 plus 1 plus 1 facility. No financial covenants. We have a receivables facility of $0.6 billion. That's December 21, but gets refreshed regularly and is clearly to cope with our working capital peak to trough and we have the USA bond which is $0.75 billion. That's 2028. Okay? So, $2.5 billion of no financial covenanted debt. And then, we have about $1.5 billion of USPP. That has a variety of maturities up to 2027. That does have a leverage covenant on it on all of those different maturities of 3.5 times. In terms of debt maturity, if I can just sort of move to maturity and away from your liquidity question, the only maturity we have coming up in 12 months is $281 million of the USPP that is due back end of this year. You can tell by the size of facilities, and if you look at our net debt, which is under 2, we clearly are in…

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Yeah. So, if I think about where we are today, the business from a cost base perspective is in a very good place. And to Mike's point, we need to make sure that we're very measured in terms of what that looks like as we go through Q3, Q4. So, today, in the US, we're actually down 2% in full-time headcount versus prior year, with good solid organic growth rate. And if I think about the progress that we made coming out of or into the second half of the year, as I said, growth rates were quite solid. And even through Friday of this past week, good solid accelerating growth rates. Now, we know that things are going to change, to Mike's point, about shutting down job sites, just availability of people versus self-quarantine and the actions that are happening inside of society. But generally speaking, the health of the business is in a very strong place right now.

Paul Checketts

Analyst

That's great. Thanks. Very clear.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Roger from Exane BNP Paribas. Roger, Your line is now open.

Paul Roger

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, gents. Thanks for taking the call and obviously for hosting the call in these circumstances. I think I'll probably just have two questions. You've talked a bit there in the answer about potential contingencies and not wanting to do anything for just the short term. But, presumably, you have given some sort of thought to what happens if it is quite a severe downturn. And I wonder if you can just give us a bit more detail maybe on the type of actions you could take, not necessarily just on the FTE headcount, but maybe also thinking about things like CapEx, potential working capital where obviously you did a very good job in the last crisis. Is there scope to cut that? So, just give us some idea about how Ferguson might respond. And then, the second question – and again, don't want to be too bleak here. But, obviously, nobody really knows what would happen with the virus. Just wonder if you've given any sort of sensitivity on the impact of weaker demand on profitability. And maybe, for example, you can give us an idea of what you think a 10% drop in volumes could do to trade and profit when it comes to the operating leverage and everything. Thank you.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Yeah. Paul, why don't I start with some of the sort of financial answers, so I won't be too nerdy, hopefully, and then Kevin can talk about some of the actions as we think forward. Paul, in terms of CapEx, short term, life is clearly about all the things we've talked about. We'll take sensible actions on CapEx. If you think short term, we've guided to $300 million to $350 million. Could that be – we've got some capital commitments. We could probably take $50 million off the lower end of that guidance if we have to. But, again, we'll just need to be measured. And again, we always say maintenance CapEx for this business. And again, sort of depends how hard you yank the lever in truth, Paul, but if you had to, you could model $150 million next year. But it sort of depends on severities. Again, we're very cognizant, it's early days yet, and we've got a good business. In working capital, I think normal cycle, I think, as you know, Paul, we would absolutely expect working capital to flow back. I think the interesting one with this downturn, different to the two others that, certainly, myself and Kevin have dealt with in the past, this one could be pretty sudden pretty quickly for a period of time, and then snap back very quickly. That's quite different to most economic cycle downturns and recoveries. You generally go sort of a bit slower in and a bit slower out if you sort of take my drift. Therefore, again, if I oversimplify, our debtor book and our creditor book is pretty balanced. It's inventories really. And again, there's a balance there of making sure we have the right inventories when the sites opened for our customers. But you might…

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Sure, yeah. And, Paul, thank you. Pleasure to have the call today. Thank you for joining us. I know this probably goes without saying, but feel the need to. The first thing that's on our mind right now is the care for our associates and they have delivered for us, they continue to deliver, this is a people and relationship business at its core today. We'll bridge this with a digital relationship ever more so by the day. And quite frankly, this is a good time to be even accelerating what that marriage of a digital relationship and a human relationship means. If I think about where we sit today, as indicated, I feel like the business was good and solidly fit for purpose as we even went through, like I said, March 13. You look at the organic revenue growth inside the US at 2.6%, but delivering 4.6% trailing profit growth, it was good delivery on a good cost base. Now, that said, as Mike indicated, we clearly would look at from an OpEx perspective, what that labor looks like CapEx, M&A, working capital, and all the things that Mike touched on already. How do we think about understanding what that recovery is going to look like, what the downturn is going to look like? I think this one is different, as Mike indicated. We certainly want to judge what's happening from a time perspective. We want to understand what's happening in our sales per day. To Paul's earlier question, how much of that business inside the RMI sector is moving towards break, fix and what that impact on the top line is. We're going to keep our ear very close to the market, market by market, business by business, to understand what's happening in construction activity. Things are…

Paul Roger

Analyst

That's great. Thanks a lot. And take care. And all the best.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have is from John Messenger from Redburn. John, your line is now open.

John Messenger

Analyst

Hi, thank you. Can you hear me okay, Kevin, Mike?

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Yeah.

Mike Powell

Analyst

We can, John.

John Messenger

Analyst

Sorry, three, if I could. One, you just gave a bit of a flavor there, Kevin, in terms of Boston and how the authorities are behaving on this. Just give us a flavor, what is the kind of behavioral impact on what's happening onsite in terms of difference between, say, an industrial and multifamily versus single, your industrial locations, I guess the non res? I assume things like hospitals and schools have pretty much closed off to you. Just to have a bit of a flavor, are certain locations kind of continuing as normal? Or is this impacting everywhere? I'm just thinking outdoor work maybe carries on, indoor does not, just a bit of a flavor there if you could. Second one was just on – you typically have a seasonal workforce that comes in, I guess, really from now through – to cover you through the summer months. Would it be fair to assume that, I guess, all of those additional hiring things are effectively off, which will take out some of your extra normal cost profile across Q2 and Q3 – sorry, Q3 and Q4? Just to understand if there are things that should already start to get through and that clearly you're not going to put more cost in right now. But in terms of some offsets, is there a seasonal factor that we should all bear in mind that gives you a bit of resilience in Q3 and Q4? And then, the final one, you mentioned 8.9% as the own label. Clearly, it's a big ingredient for the future. Can I just understand where was that in the half year a year ago? What do you think is a own label future profile? Is it 15% of sales that one day you think you could work towards or is that maybe going too high, Kevin? Thank you.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Great. John, thank you. And, Mike, feel free to jump in as I go through these three. First of all, what's happening in the market and what we're seeing behavioral impact, multi versus single commercial how we're thinking about that, I guess, what I would say to you is that there is no real consistency across the US, both outdoor versus indoor. What we are seeing in consistency is more on the industrial side, as you might imagine, in terms of making sure that they are containing their facilities and some work is slowing from that perspective. In fact, we've had an industrial contract where we're working through some things and we had to pause because they're producing products for coronavirus testing and we needed to – they need to focus 100% of their efforts on production. So, we're not seeing a tremendous amount of consistency. And it is happening in a very dynamic way. But like I said, even through Friday, we saw good sales growth, not just maintenance. And so, there is activity that's still happening. We just are keeping very close. With every one of our business groups, all nine of our business groups, and all of our regions, we have a daily feed that we work through to understand what's happening in the market, what are some things, job by job, so that we can understand where we're at and our managers can understand what they need to do in terms of staffing levels and what they need to do in terms of social distancing and how they can spread their workforce. So, it really is a very granular and very focused effort. But right now, it's a bit too early to tell what we're going to see in terms of project work because of that…

John Messenger

Analyst

Yeah, absolutely. Many thanks, Kevin. And best of luck to you all. Thank you.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Keith Hughes from SunTrust. Keith, Your line is now open.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

Yeah, thank you. Two questions. I guess, first, I totally reflect your comments about different the reaction here in different cities in the US. Can you just give us an idea – are there certain parts of the country, the US or in Canada, that you overweight to their economic activity where you just have more business and will be more affected as things get worse there?

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

If I just take the United States – because if I look at Canada, we've got good growth opportunities inside of Canada and we are going to be focused. And I pick this in a balanced way with what's happening with the virus right now and what's happening from a reaction. But in Canada, we've got some good profit pools to go after. One of the areas that we have not been as good in is in, for example, the high rise residential market in Ontario. We need to make sure that we're better equipped for that. But it is very much a growth story as we come out of whatever impact the virus will have in Canada. It will be a focus on growth and over market growth. As I look south of the border in the US, we really look at what our market opportunity is even down to the granular level, Keith, of the zip code. In terms of what hot markets are out there and where we think we can make some good growth, as you might imagine, some of the high growth areas from a state perspective in California and Texas and Florida and the like, are good growth markets for us. Florida has been very solid. And in fact, to this point, our Florida growth rates across all of our different businesses have been very solid through the middle of March. And so, that will prove to be a good solid growth area for us as we go forward. But the way in which we approach it is, we look at what our market shares are really by the zip code, by the type of business that we're addressing, and we know what opportunities we have to grow organically. How do we add people and skills? How do we add potentially branches? And then, how do we augment that with M&A? But really, we're going to need to keep our ears very close to the market as we go forward to understand where some opportunities are to add some resources.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

So, I think if I read through your answer, your penetration in the smile states is probably greater than it is in the northeast. Is that a fair statement?

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Yeah. And it really, again, depends on the business, for example. New residential construction, we're going to have a good focus on that Florida market. We've got some good growth opportunities in Texas. We've got some great growth opportunities inside of our HVAC business where we still have a tremendous amount of opportunity for growth. And then, Keith, you look at our facility supply business, we still have negligible market shares, and it's growing at a fairly substantial pace for us today. It's a bit more recession resistant than the rest of our businesses. It's got a good gross margin profile, and we've got a tremendous amount of runway to expand. So, it really does depend on each of the businesses.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

Okay. And second question, your organic growth in the United States was 2.1% in the quarter. It had been running about 3% for the last several quarters. So, I guess, my question is, number one, you talked very positively on February/March sales through last Friday, understanding that's probably going to change. The number the last six weeks, was it above that 2.1% in the US?

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

In fact, it was accelerating. And that's why I say, absent coronavirus, we were sat here looking at residential permit activity, new residential starts, open order volume and backlog, sales per day activity, sales force momentum in the marketplace, we were ready to charge ahead. And granted, this is my first time talking with you on half year results, but I tell you, we had great momentum and felt very good about the health of our business during the first half. I think we did a very nice job across our businesses making sure we maintain good cost discipline, good gross margin protection, while we gained share. I felt very good half two about our ability to stretch our legs. We just have to now see what this impact is going to be from a coronavirus perspective and how quickly we can get back to work in the country, so that we can start rebuilding America. And quite frankly, feel pretty well positioned for that. Just hope we can get through this very quickly.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

Right. And I'd sneak one more in. On China – sourcing from China, was there an impact in the numbers here – or what you saw in February, any delays on product, higher cost, things of that nature that played a role in the numbers?

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Keith, I'm sure there wasn't. Interestingly enough, we were really focused on what was going to happen from a China perspective. As you know, 9% or so of what we do is own brand. We had good solid inventory positions as we looked at Chinese New Year and we got our – our partner manufacturing facilities were back on track. And even though, in the very near term, following the outbreak in China, we had some problems from a trucking standpoint, specifically northern China, that got fixed and righted pretty quickly. And so, from an inventory perspective, both branded and own brand, we felt like we were in great position. This has obviously changed from a supply chain concern story and from a supply side to a demand concern. And so, no, we feel very good about product availability right now.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

[indiscernible] cleaning supplies.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

And toilet paper probably. Thanks.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

That's exactly right. Our facilities supply business on the JanSan side of the world is a bit stretched right now.

Keith Hughes

Analyst

Thank you.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Operator, we're approaching the hour mark. I think we've got time for one more question. And I would say to everyone who sent questions in on the webcast, we're sorry we're not going to get to those today, but we have got those and we will come back to you. If you do have any follow-up questions, please contact Mark and the IR team, they'd be happy to answer any questions throughout the rest of today. So, over to you, operator, to introduce the last question.

Operator

Operator

The last question comes from Kathryn Thompson from Thompson Research Group. Kathryn, your line is now open.

Kathryn Thompson

Analyst

Thank you for taking my questions today. Three questions for you. And I'll give them in order. First, could you explain Waterworks as a leading indicator and give a further explanation of the projects and/or geographies that are helping to drive this growth? And how much visibility you have in this segment? Second, could you explain better how we should think about costs, even absent global dynamics that we're dealing with right now, particularly as we look into the second half versus the first half? And then, finally, and perhaps the most important question, you definitely have touched on the 2008 crisis and how you're better positioned today versus you were then. But maybe could you pull the string a little bit more for a deeper comparison and contrast, helping us understand that you are supporting the parent company with star [ph] free cash flow at the time? What are you planning? What are the first priorities for you in this recovery, assuming that it happens in terms of either putting capital towards buying back stock or buying companies or really your capital allocation priorities as we muddle through this global crisis? Thank you.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Kathryn, thank you. Great to hear from you. I think maybe I'll lead off, Mike, and then you jump in as we get down towards three or – certainly, stop me. Waterworks in terms of being a leading indicator, we have a very good balanced business inside that waterworks customer type. If you look at where we are today, it really is, as I highlighted earlier, new residential construction, subdivision work, it's commercial work, it's public works infrastructure projects, municipal spend directly with public water authorities, meters and metering technology and geosynthetics and soil stabilization. If I think about where the growth was coming from, we had probably the best momentum. And some of this is anecdotal because our contractors, as I indicated in the very first question to Paul, our contractors move from project type to project type and can shift what their impact is or their emphasis is. But it was good, solid, single family residential new construction work, which gave us additional confidence in what was going to flow down the line in our residential trade business. And that was really broad based. It was across most of our markets where that subdivision activity was happening. And again, the good part was it was balanced with our municipal and public works spend. So, we really focused on making sure that in the individual geographies, when we have good residential new construction work with our Waterworks business that that information, that connection flows together with our new construction residential trade plumbing business, our showroom builder business, our HVAC business as that need for product flows through the construction supply chain. On the costs, half one/half two, clearly, we have a better comp profile, given the slowdown in our market growth rates as we walked out of half one of last year, but we still need the growth on top of that. I don't know, Mike, if you want to comment on anything from a market comp half two standpoint at all.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Really just to reiterate, we were in great shape. We'll have to see how it now plays out. But as Kevin said, we had a – I love the phrase, we were ready to stretch our legs. I like that one. We were definitely ready to stretch our legs into the second half. Clearly, we need the full support right now.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Kathryn, Mike says I speak American. So, he sometimes likes those phrases. From an 2008 crisis position, compare and contrast, yeah, I think we're in a very, very different place. So, if I look at when we walked into 2008, 2009, we were coming off of a very strong new residential growth inside the US. I highlighted earlier the 2.2 million housing starts in the US as we started to walk into 2008, 2009. We were also very much focused as a new residential construction company. We are clearly a different organization in terms of what that balanced business mix looks like today, and I feel very good about where we sit with that balance and that diversification. In terms of where we were from a balance sheet perspective, we were in a different place. I think that a lot of our associates understood what net debt to EBITDA 3.5 times net and what are the actions that were taken pre-2008/2009 versus where we sit today with a good solid balance sheet, good solid liquidity and our ability as we go into what perhaps will be a downturn, perhaps a bit more sustained, although that is way too early to tell. We will be able to focus on making sure our branches have good organic growth capabilities. The last time we went into a recession, we were a bit heavy in terms of what the people side of the business was. Last time when we entered the recession, we had an extra 30 days in the cash to cash cycle. We're a more fit for purpose business. We are going to make sure that we have the right levels of inventory to grow organically, which is our first capital priority. We need to make sure that we continue to grow the dividend, in line with earnings growth through the cycle, which is second. We will have the opportunity as we come through this cycle to do solid both-on M&A as well as M&A that gives us capabilities, that will really enhance what our branches are able to do, that will enhance what our digital channels are able to do. And then lastly, as we have surplus capital, we've shown that we will return that to shareholders promptly. So, that's the way I look at it today. I think we're in a much better position than we were entering 2008/2009. And we just need to stay close to the business as we go through this very different situation.

Kathryn Thompson

Analyst

Thanks very much.

Mike Powell

Analyst

Operator, I think that's it.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions.

Kevin Murphy

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you very much for the time today. Very much appreciate your patience with Mike and I. We never intended to be on two continents for my first half one. And so, appreciate the time that you've spent with us and we'll be glad to follow-up with any questions or concerns as we do a more technology-related roadshow. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.