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Frequency Electronics, Inc. (FEIM)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Sep 14, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the First Quarter Fiscal Year 2018 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Joel Girsky, Chairman of the Board. Thank you. You may begin.

Joel Girsky

Analyst

Thank you very much. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today to our Q1 call. Sitting here with me are Martin Bloch, our CEO; our new COO, Stan Sloane, listening here with me and Steve Bernstein, our CFO. At this particular point in time, Steve, would you please take over?

Steve Bernstein

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Before we start the call, I am going to read the safe harbour statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The statements on this call regarding the future constitute forward-looking statements pursuant to the safe harbour provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Factors that would cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, liability, inability to integrate operations and personal actions by significant customers and competitors, general domestic and international economic conditions, consumer spending trends, reliance on key customers, continued acceptance of company's products in the marketplace, competitive factors, new products and technology changes, product prices and raw material cost, dependence upon third-party vendors, competitive developments, change in manufacturing and transportation cost, the availability of capital and other risks detailed in the company's periodic report filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. By making these forward-looking statements, the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements for revisions or changes after the date of this release. In our 2018 10-Q, the financial report, the results of Gillam-FEI for fiscal quarters ending July 31, 2017 and 2016 are presented as discontinued operations. Unless otherwise stated, financial results discussed on this call refer to continuing operations. Revenues from commercial and US government satellite payload programs were approximately $5.2 million compared to $6.3 million for the same period of fiscal 2017. Commercial and US government satellite payload programs accounted for approximately 43% of consolidated revenues compared to 55% in the prior year. Based on the company's current backlog, satellite payload business revenues for fiscal year 2018 are expected to be lower for the full year compared to prior fiscal year. However, satellite payload…

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

First of all, I am very pleased to introduce Stan Sloane. Dr. Stan Sloane has been known to the company for over a year and he has a lot of the attributes which is ideally suited for Chief Operating Officer. And I am sure that he is going to help the company significantly in pursuing business from DOD and Homeland Security, which is a lot in his past experience. Welcome. Obviously, he has all the answers you want to ask since this is his first day on the job. Okay. And now with Frequency's position. As you probably know, fiscal calendar 2015, 2016 and 2017 has been the worst years in the satellite business since 2004. Our customers were hit pretty bad. Not that the satellite business is going away, they have just been delayed due to a rethinking of what type of service the service providers want to do and also what type of new technology they want to incorporate in the new satellites. This of course, has affected and will affect FEI's revenue because satellites have always been more than 50% of the corporation sales. The lining at the end of this drought is that we now see significant activity in satellites. And in the last couple of weeks, we submitted significant proposals to the industry for the new satellite networks that are being discussed. This should result in contract within the next 6 to 9 months and revenue shortly thereafter of this. Although this can be considered as a terrible thing, there is a silver lining because it gives us opportunity for the first time to use our engineering talent to refresh our product line and to upgrade our space offering to the new requirements which are being generated. We are also investing, at the same time, in precision time for our secure communication and secure command and control, which is probably going to be the most profitable future of the company since the quantities in that arena are large and they are desperately needed. I would also add that the key element in secure control and communication is precision time. And precision time is one of our great assets, and we are one of the very few companies in the US that has that capability. We also have some seat contracts in the secure communication arena, of which we are delivering hardware to demonstrate the principle that with the approach of precision time, you can overcome the spoofing and jamming of GPS, which is presenting a great threat on to our DOD and Homeland Security on this item. With this introduction, I would like to open the discussion. So, feel free to ask any questions. We will try our best to answer.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question is from Paul [indiscernible] a private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I am a private shareholder and I welcome the new COO. My question though is regarding potential merger or even a sell out to another company. As you know, there are other satellite companies, like NORSAT in Canada, which recently got bought out. Have you been thinking in those lines? Can we look for something if the price is right?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

We are always open to that type of opportunity and that we do not reject anything that makes sense and preserves and brings value to the shareholders. That isis our mission. And we are open to any type of that opportunity.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Brett Reiss from Janney Montgomery Scott.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Yes, the backlog dropping down to $23 million from $28 million. That is kind of the lowest I remember it ever being since I've owned the stock. Does that make you nervous? Or should I be nervous?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

I am not nervous. I haven't sold any of my stock. That should be indicating where I feel about it. Like I said, if you take a look at our customers like Boeing, [indiscernible], Lockheed Martin, Thales Alenia, they all have had enormous reduction in backlog because people did not buy many satellites during those three years. And that is the fact of life on this. However, I just want to tell you. All of them are addressing a very large and emerging market. And from what we see is that satellites are going to be booming in the next couple of years. One of the largest market that everybody is addressing is to provide high speed, reasonable cost Internet and high-definition video to airplane passengers. And there are 3.7 billion passengers a year. And the key that all are exploring is to be able to provide this type of service worldwide. So, the future for satellites looks great and the government satellites are again, they look very promising. And we have some secure programs on satellites and we expect more in that arena. But there's definitely been a gap, and I would be much happier with a larger backlog, but it is what it is.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Right. Now Martin, since you initiated cost controls, what was the headcount when you initiated cost reductions? What is the headcount now? And what do you think it will be the next couple of quarters?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

We have trimmed whatever made sense. And I believe the headcount is now about 145.

Steve Bernstein

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

[indiscernible].

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

I can be more precise that the reduction was about 20 plus people. Some of them which made sense and some of them that always happens in a company when you have backlog go down, you take a hard look to see what to do. So, we do not foresee any significant reduction in personal going forward on this, except we are always looking at opportunities to combine operations and to save labour on this point. But the whole concept is to use the resources that we have for the exciting products that we have to develop for space. And especially, the affordable precision timing units that we need for the secure communication and command and control.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Right. Now Martin, the European assets that you are shopping around to sell, can you give us some colour on that? How is that going? And have you received any bids on the $5 million copper cable, in connection with that sale?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

We have. We do not know how credible they are. But we are committed to get it done in this fiscal year. And we'll advise you as soon as we have solid numbers. We are working very hard to divest ourselves of that operation and it is a must do in this fiscal year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from [indiscernible], a private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Martin, does your optimism for the next nine months or year or so also pertain to the up, down converters?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Yes. Of this, I'll tell you. We have demonstrated in the past two years for the first time to be able to do large quantity of up down converters receivers on Iridium NEXT. And this was a question on most of our customers. And we have delivered about 3,000 up down converters, of which 320 of them are in orbit already on Iridium NEXT. So that is the path. We have demonstrated that we can produce in quantity because in the past, we have been the best supplier of unique type of problems and unique type of solutions. To counter that on this, both Loral, Lockheed Martin and Boeing are starving. So, our competition, which is in-house, is tough to overcome. But with the new products that we are developing, we feel we have a good crack at it.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And on the last call, you said that your customers thought that many satellite programs might be released around the end of the year. Would you give us an update on that?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

That is still the timing that we hear on this. O3b is the first victim to be released and from what we hear from our customers, they think there are going to be significant releases by the end of this calendar year or beginning of 2018.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Brett Reiss from Janney Montgomery Scott.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

In the past, that Sam Rebotsky has always pressed you if there is a breakeven sales number for the company, which you have never really been inclined to disclose. But is the proof in the pudding with the first quarter here? I mean, you did $12 million and you had an operating profit. Is that the breakeven number?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Well, That is as good an indication that I can give at this time on this. To tell any more will only help our competition. So, That is a good indication.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Now the company's expertise with precision time, is it because of the know-how that the company has developed over the years? Or is it because of the intellectual patent portfolio that you may have in this area? What is the source of that asset that the company enjoys?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

It is both. On the low g-sensitivity aspect on this, we have one of the key patents. The rest of it is the technology that we developed. And the know-how in this case is more important than patents on this. As you can see, there are very, very few manufacturers worldwide and even less in the United States that can provide precision time for secure communications. So, we are in a unique position and be able to supply units that have reliability, that perform to the new requirements of secure communication and are affordable.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Okay, and one final one. In your third quarter call last year, you mentioned that the changes required for the smallest satellites would take six to nine months. And then in today's call, you mentioned that you are seeing significant bidding activity, but it will be another six to nine months before these contracts are awarded and then some time lag thereafter that if we are successful in these bids, that revenues would flow to Frequency. Do I have the timeline, right?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

More or less on this item. We only give you the information that we get from our prime customers. And from the last briefing at the satellite conference in Washington that I was in March on this, they all indicated that what they expected to be placed in the middle of 2017 has moved to the end of 2017, beginning of 2018. So, we can only transfer to you the projection that our customers made. But we see activity and we see that the service providers are getting interested in getting into space and start taking advantage of this new opportunity. So, there's some urgency in moving on. So, the projection now is a little bit more real.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Right. Now Dr. Sloane coming onboard. I looked at his resume, which is incredibly impressive.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Thank you. I will pick the best. You know that.

Brett Reiss

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Yes, yes. Well, he's had tremendous success as an operator. And he's had success acquiring things, selling things. What skill set most attracted you to have him come onboard to Frequency?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

All of the above. And most important and is immediate is his great past experience with DOD and Homeland Security experience and know how.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael [indiscernible], private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I am glad to see you finally focusing just on technology.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Thank you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

We do not need you to do paperwork.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

I know. As I put in the release, I am looking forward to that. And I welcome Stan, and I am going to make sure he worked very hard so I can do what I can do best.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I told you like five years ago, just do technology.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Thank you. I finally take your advice. It takes some time.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

After five years.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Well, it takes some time. Good things take a little longer.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Two questions. You have a press release a couple of weeks ago or a month ago. And in the bottom of the press release, you mentioned atomic clocks.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

On the press release?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Rubidium atomic clocks. Is that something new you are focusing on?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Well, we are. I do not remember a press release on this. But we are focusing on improving the existing atomic clocks to make them more precise and more affordable and we have a continuous program of looking to what improvement in atomic clocks because the better, the accurate, the stability you can get, the better security it provides to our customers. So, this is a constant effort that we are putting in.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

It was the one on the 48th anniversary of NASA and the Voyager.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Oh, yes, now I remember that you mentioned. The conjunction over there is to really celebrate the longest-operating clocks in space on the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2. And we did mention that we are working on optically pumped rubidiums which will give us approximately an order of magnitude better stability than what we are now making. And this is still a major effort that we are undertaking to do.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. You said a 10:1 improvement, do you see a market for that?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

You bet on this. The more precise you have a clock, the better you can implement secure communication, navigation and control. So, every improvement in stability of the clock has enormous paybacks.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. And this may be for Dr. Sloane. You have been there a year.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Wait. You can't attack him, Mike, his first day on the job.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

No, he's been around a year. He knows what is going on. I am not going to attack him. You do have an impressive resume. But what do you think is your first focus? You have been around the company for a while.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Only as a director on this item. This is the few days that he has been actually seeing the inside working of the company.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Oh, really? And...

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Stan, if you want to make a short remark on this, feel free to do so.

Stanton Sloane

Analyst

Well, in terms of focus, it is to try to help Martin with some of the operations and offload some of the administrative burden so we can improve our DOD bookings and I want to focus a lot on new business also.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Acquisitions, was mentioned.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Always on the table.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Always on the table. All right. And I may have missed the first minute. You are looking for a CEO now?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

I do not think I am ready to discuss on this. But if you read the press release that we did this morning, you will see the path forward in this direction.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, only because you mentioned it, not me. That was in the press release.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Well, read the press release. That is my objective on this, to migrate to a position and what I am best suited for.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Technology. Okay. Are you going to say something?

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

You are welcome. No, That is all I am willing to say at this time.

Operator

Operator

If there are no further questions, I would now like to turn the call back to Joel Girsky for closing remarks.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

Joel?

Joel Girsky

Analyst

Thanks, everyone, for listening in. There were some very insightful questions. And hopefully, the answers that Martin and Stan gave satisfy everybody. Just know that a lot of people here are working real hard to have a successful company. Thank you for your indulgence. Thank you for your confidence. And we look forward to seeing you at our annual meeting.

Martin Bloch

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott

And I also want to thank all the people at Frequency that are really working hard during this trying time through our new product development and fulfilling the requirements that we now have on our books. Again, I am looking forward to seeing you on November 8 for a stockholders' meeting on this. And I am sure we'll have more questions and answers at that time.

Joel Girsky

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.