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Fidus Investment Corporation (FDUS)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 3, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Fidus Investment Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Ms. Jody Burfening. Ma'am, please go ahead.

Jody Burfening

Analyst

Thank you, Liz, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Fidus Investment Corporation's second quarter 2018 earnings conference call. With me this morning are Ed Ross, Fidus Investment Corporation's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Shelby Sherard, Chief Financial Officer. Fidus Investment Corporation issued a press release yesterday afternoon, with details of the Company's quarterly financial results. A copy of the press release is available on the Investor Relations page of the Company's website at fdus.com. I would like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. A replay of today's call will be available by using the telephone numbers and conference ID provided in the earnings press release. In addition, an archived webcast replay will be available on the Investor Relations page of the Company's website following the conclusion of this conference call. I would also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure regarding forward-looking information included in the earnings release on today's call. The conference call today will contain certain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the goals, strategies, beliefs, future potential, operating results and cash flows of Fidus Investment Corporation. Although management believes these statements are reasonable based upon estimates, assumptions and projections as of today, August 3, 2018, these statements are not guarantees of future performance. Time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any telephonic or webcast replay. Actual results may differ materially as a result of risks and uncertainties and other factors including, but not limited to the factors set forth in the Company's filings with the SEC. Fidus undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of these forward-looking statements. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Ed Ross. Good morning, Ed.

Ed Ross

Analyst

Good morning, Jody, and thank you. Good morning everyone, and welcome to Fidus' second quarter 2018 earnings call. I will open today’s call with a recap of our investment strategy, then discuss our second quarter results, our investment portfolio performance, and offer views about deal activity. Shelby will go into more detail about the second quarter financial results and liquidity. After that, we’d be happy to take your questions. Our primary goal was to deliver stable to growing dividends and net asset value on a per share basis. We aim to achieve this goal by focusing on capital preservation and the generation of attractive risk adjusted returns. Our strategy is to build a well diversified portfolio of debt investments, and to a lesser extent equity investments in lower middle market businesses that are niche market leaders. Importantly, we manage and invest with a long-term approach and perspective seeking to invest in businesses that we believe will perform well over the long-term with an emphasis on companies that operate in industries we know well, that generate excess cash flow for debt service and investment, and that have positive long-term outlooks. From a debt structuring perspective, we look to maintain significant cushions to our borrower's enterprise value, in support of our capital preservation and income goals. Within that framework, second quarter operating results were in line with our expectation. Adjusted net investment income which we define as net investment income excluding any capital gains and incentive fee attributable to realized or unrealized gains and losses was $8.7 million or $0.36 per share reflecting a high level of current and recurring income from debt investments. In the second quarter, we realized net losses of $15.2 million primarily related to our investments in two portfolio companies. As of June 30, 2018 our net asset…

Shelby Sherard

Analyst

Thank you, Ed, and good morning everyone. I'll review our second quarter results in more detail, and close with comments on our liquidity positions. Please note, I will be providing comparative commentary versus the prior quarter Q1, 2018. Total investment income was $18.1 million for the three months ended June 30, 2018. A $0.1 million decrease from Q1, 2018. Interest and pick income increased by $0.6 million, related to incremental assets under management, offset by placing our debt investment in Cavallo Bus Lines holdings, on non-accrual. Fee income decreased by $0.7 million, primarily due to a larger prepayment fee in Q1 from the repayment of our debt investment in comprehensive logistics. Dividend income in Q3 was $0.3 million, consistent with Q1. Total expenses, including income tax provision, were $9.2 million for the second quarter. Approximately $1.7 million lower than the prior quarter, primarily related to the capital gains fee accrual. Interest expense was in line with Q1. In Q2, we incurred approximately $0.03 million of noncash expense related to unamortized differed operating expenses on our old registration statement, a roughly a penny per share of incremental expense. Total G&A expenses, which included the noncash charge, increased by $0.1 million. Base management and income incentive fees increased by $0.1 million, and accrued capital gains incentive fees decreased by $1.8 million. Interest expense includes interest as well as any commitment an unused line fees. As of June 30, 2018, the weighted average interest rate on our outstanding debt was 3.8%. As of June 30, we had $271.5 million of debt outstanding, including $214.5 million of SBA debentures, $15 million of public notes and $7 million outstanding on our line of credit. Our debt to equity ratio was 0.69x or 0.14x regulatory leverage, excluding exempt SBA debentures. Net investment income or NII for…

Ed Ross

Analyst

Thanks Shelby. As always, I'd like to thank our team and the Board of Directors of Fidus, for their dedication and hard work and our shareholders for their continued support. I'll now turn the call back over to Liz for Q&A. Liz?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Chris Kotowski with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Chris Kotowski

Analyst

Looking at the - your investment levels that was up slightly from the first quarter and kind of in line or slightly better than what we were looking for. But the revenues were down a bit and I wonder if you could decompose that a little bit. What's the impact of the non-accruals and was there any just basic spread tightening in the quarter?

Ed Ross

Analyst

Chris, let me take a shot at this, and I think Shelby will look at some things while I'm talking for a second. Obviously Cavallo, is - was a non-accrual for the quarter, and that was the addition. I don't think there was - I think fees maybe weren't as big as some quarters. But I don't think there was any spread tightening that I'm aware of. Maybe just nominal but nothing material, so, that will be my answers and so I think, I don't see any real changes than what you're looking at.

Shelby Sherard

Analyst

That’s right. The biggest new factor in Q2 was actually placing Cavallo on non-accrual, and that was about a penny per share of impact.

Chris Kotowski

Analyst

And is there any other color you can give on Cavallo in terms of - is it an economic sensitivity issue or idiosyncratic company management issue and prospects for recovery there?

Ed Ross

Analyst

Sure, I can't say a lot. I think it makes sense or is appropriate, but I'd say, the company is a provider of charter bus services, primarily focused in the Mid West or on the Midwest. The customers include group tour schools and athletic teams. What I would say is the valuation reflects a meaningful increase in the risk profile of our investment. It's pretty difficult situation that happened - materialized in a pretty rapid way in the last three to four months, and what I would say is historically it's a family run business that became more institutionalized. And I think it's struggled with that transition in particularly more recently.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Robert Dodd

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Just first following up on a couple of Chris' questions. In the quarter can you tell us if there was anything on the timing of the deals, I mean where the originations were late in the quarter and repayments early or were they just kind of spread out during the course?

Ed Ross

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

I think they were more spread out is what I would say, I think two of them in May, two of them in April, but I think it was more spread out is what I would say.

Robert Dodd

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

And then on the Cavallo - just to be clear, it was on nonaccrual for the full quarter?

Shelby Sherard

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Correct.

Robert Dodd

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

And then just - the last quarter was marked at 86, this quarter at 27 I mean that’s without necessarily asking you go into more details about what’s going on - correct if I am wrong but a sharp decline like that I have - rapid deterioration I think is harder to recover from a more moderate one I guess I mean would you agree with that historically, not necessarily we are talking about that asset in particular but those kind of sharp deteriorations for other assets not even just that you’ve done but other BDCs have done. Generally my experiences doesn’t point to a great outlook for that asset?

Ed Ross

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

In general I think that is exactly right. I think there are some scenarios that obviously you can recover from in full and things can happen quickly and you work through it. But this is a difficult situation so your general assumption is I think right on.

Robert Dodd

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

And then, one of the things you mentioned Ed was deal quality it seemed to improve. Would you say, trying to nuance that down if I can I mean I presume that wasn't an easing of competition in terms of you’re seeing more because other people won’t find them lot quicker. So is it just - you’re now seeing just better quality companies come or look for funding rather or get acquired by [indiscernible] rather than some competitive dynamic?

Ed Ross

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Sure, I think these things go in waves a little bit, people are getting ready for sales and trying to get it done by year end. So if I go back to the second quarter the wave wasn't very large generally speaking on a relative basis to what it is now. In terms of deal flow and I would also say for whatever reason the quality of it for us really almost throughout the quarter was subpar. It doesn't mean we didn’t see a few opportunities or more opportunities than we closed that we liked and ended up not winning because that happened once or twice I think in the quarter but that’s just part of the game. What I would say is here in July and I think it's anticipation - in anticipation of people trying to get some sales - realizations done by year-end. Deal flow has picked up in a meaningful way and the quality appears better. And so that’s a positive from our perspective and we obviously we’re trying to participate in some of that activity.

Robert Dodd

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

And then last one from me - you mentioned obviously to realize some of your mature equity gains over the next six to 12 months. I mean obviously you guys don’t control when it actually happens. So - lack of better term, where does that hope come from, are you actually hearing from some of those companies that they're looking to go through a sales - or their owners rather than the company or so looking to go through a sale or exit process or is it more that you just think the market’s pretty hot right now so you would just expect it to happen?

Ed Ross

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

As you know Robert, we monitor our investments on a weekly or monthly basis at a minimum and we’re going to quarterly Board meetings in almost every case. So we’re pretty up to speed on what is going on operationally as well as strategically at the company. And what I’d say is, we have not a couple but numerous companies that are evaluating strategic alternatives. I do think we’ll have incremental repayments this quarter, I think they are more debt oriented this quarter. And our hope and you never know, none of these processes are guaranteed, but there are more than a couple companies that are evaluating strategic alternatives or going through sale processes and that's where the comment comes from. It’s our expectation more in the fourth quarter that we have - actually probably a pretty robust level of realizations in the fourth quarter. But it's - you never know, it's unpredictable as we know and a deal does not close until the day off, but that's the general theme and the general expectation at this point.

Robert Dodd

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

I’ll just go one more if I can real quick, on the SBA side - for the first part - the liquidity you mentioned obviously 24 million in cash. Is any of that cracked down in one of the SBAs and essentially uninvestible. And then the other part of that question is on your application for the third license, I know there is no update, but is everything going as well as expected. There is hope to any kind of qualitative commentary there.

Shelby Sherard

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Yes, on the cash question I would tell you about half of that 24 million was at the SCIC funds. However we do have the opportunity to put that to work through to upstream development for distribution and some of the cash that we had at 630 was obviously just a fluke as you might recall I mentioned we had 7 million outstanding on the line and that was a timing thing. And so immediately on quarter end the line has been paid down so now we have the full availability. Of the process that is kind of continuing to progress and we are reasonably optimistic that we’re making some headway there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lynch with KBW. Your line is now open.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

First one is has to deal with pricing on new loans. Your guys portfolio yields been coming down for several years still at a very elevated level relative to rest of the PDC group, but as rate have been low for a long period time it’s been coming down. Recently though in the last several quarters you've seen rates to rise. We heard some other BBC’s comment on some lenders a little bit market from you guys, but they are talking about lenders pushing back and there seems some more pricing stabilization on yield. So just trying to get a sense of what is your anticipation for sort of yield kind of in the back half of the year do you guys expect to see some portfolio compression continue or should we expect the kind of stabilize as you can kind of mention the higher quality deal flow coming through?

Ed Ross

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

Ryan I think it will - most likely it’s in a stable to maybe will move slightly lower depending on what deals are ultimately realized. Over the last call it six months the deals that we've invested in the average yield has been just under 12% at 11.9%. And then the repayments that we’ve had were at 13.5%. Now most of that happened in Q1 but with yield compression if you will, but so that's kind of what I would expect going forward is similar yields. As we've invested in over the last six months and so that would tell you that maybe we would have - a modest decline but there is no guarantees of that. The rest of the portfolio is obviously remaining relatively stable. So, and the other point I’d make and I think I made this point last call is we're continuing to focus on a little bit larger businesses within our market segments. So when you think about $3 million to $20 million EBITDA businesses, we’re doing less of that call it $4 million or $5 million, $6 million, $7 million EBITDA business than we probably did three years ago. And that’s a strategic move we've made and with that move brings a little bit lower yields. And so that's in concert with what I said. I think it's stable to a little bit declining is how I would think about it.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

And I definitely get it depends on yes - the yield and your repayments I know Jacob’s repaid quarter day and now it’s got a 17% yield so that’s obviously going to pressure everything a little bit. But moving to a couple portfolio of companies, you kind of obviously mentioned - you talked a lot about Cavallo on the negative side. Just on the positive side, you guys had a nice basically a $2 million write-off I believe it's called [Sand Steel]. And then you guys also had another $3 million write-off in your investment Pinnergy. Can you just - both been equity investments, can you just talk about what in those two businesses really drove the positive write-off this quarter?

Ed Ross

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

I think to be honest in both cases, it’s driven by the driver which is EBITDA. So we’ve had pretty good growth in both companies from both the revenue and earnings or EBITDA perspective. And those are on the drivers over the last quarter or so, so in both cases it was just operating performance.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] I'm showing no further questions in queue at this time. I'd like to turn the call back to Mr. Ross for closing remarks.

Ed Ross

Analyst

Thank you, Liz, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning. We look forward to speaking with you on our second quarter call in early August of this year. Have a great day and great weekend.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This concludes the program and you may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.