Steve Gunby
Analyst · Goldman Sachs.
Yes. Look, I think our capital strategy has been the same for -- since I've gotten here, which is part of the thing that makes our company -- the 2 things that create value for our shareholders are organic growth and the ability to sustain organic growth. And then given that it's organic growth primarily, and it's not acquisitions, we can grow organically and have very positive cash flow. And so therefore, the other issue is for us to use our cash wisely. And our definition of why, is, use of cash is dependent on circumstances. A-plus acquisitions that come along, they don't come along that often, and they don't come along with the right culture of people that often and they don't come along with the right culture and cheap and reasonable price. But when they do, when we have them, we do them. Historically, that's not been the primary use of cash. When we had high expense debt, we got rid of some of the high expense debt. And then on share buybacks, we have been very opportunistic. Our experience is that our company is a sustained growth engine and sometimes the market believes and then at least 3 times in my 10 years here, the market has fallen out of belief. One in 2017 when -- even though we were forecasting reaffirmed guidance, the stock dropped back into the 30s, one at the end of 2020 when we said the restructuring boom from COVID was over and yet, it didn't mean demise for our company because our testifiers were now able to go back in court and the stock dropped from 154 to I think, 96. And then the third, candidly, this year, where we clearly expressed the view of headwinds. But we also expressed the view that those were temporary headwinds that we thought we could overcome. And we don't believe the market fully understood. And so we don't buy shares back every quarter, but when we believe the market has fundamentally overgeneralized a short-term hit, and we think we can create value for our shareholders by going in. And so I think all 3 of those times, we bought well north of 5% of our company back. And so that's what we monitor. And if we find the right opportunities, we're not afraid to jump on it. And as you've mentioned, whatever you say about our debt situation, is tiny, right? I mean I think our net debt in the fourth quarter might have been $100 million, which puts us like 1/4 of EBITDA. So I think we have plenty of opportunity to do whatever seems to make sense going forward. Does that help?