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FTI Consulting, Inc. (FCN)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 26, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the FTI Consulting Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mollie Hawkes, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Mollie Hawkes

Analyst

Good morning. Welcome to the FTI Consulting conference call to discuss the company's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings results as reported this morning. Management will begin with formal remarks, after which, we will take your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act, including the company's outlook and expectations for full year 2026 based on management's current beliefs and expectations. These forward-looking statements involve many risks and uncertainties, assumptions and estimates and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. For a discussion of risk factors and other factors that may cause actual results or events to differ from those contemplated by forward-looking statements, investors should review the safe harbor statement in the earnings press release issued this morning. A copy of which is available on our Investor Relations website at www.fticonsulting.com as well as other disclosures under the heading of Risk Factors and forward-looking Information in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and in our other filings with the SEC. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of this earnings call and will not be updated. FCI assumes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by applicable law. During the call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A discussion of any non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are issued in the press release and the accompanying financial tables that we issued this morning. Lastly, there are 2 items that have been posted to the Investor Relations section of our website for your reference. These include a quarterly earnings presentation and an Excel and PDF of our historical, financial and operating data, which have been updated to include our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. With these formalities out of the way, I'm joined today by Steve Gunby, our CEO and Chairman; and Paul Linton, our Interim Chief Financial Officer and Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO and Chairman, Steve.

Steve Gunby

Analyst

Thank you, Molly. Welcome, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today. As I guess some of you have seen already this morning, we reported once again record fourth quarter revenues and record results for this year. I'm hoping that many people on this call know by now that those sorts of record results are not unusual for us. But in this case, given the challenges we faced when we started the year, I'd like to pause on those results a bit more than I typically do and reflect a bit on just how we got here. If you remember, at the beginning of 2025, we talked about the fact that in 2025, we were probably facing more headwinds than I think perhaps we've ever faced during my time here. We talked about the fact in the second half of the year, most of our businesses were slow. In fact, we thought some of the markets we were in were slow, and we are bringing that slowness into 2025. We talked about the fact that though we have a terrifically competitive Tech business. It was facing dramatic declines in second request activity. We talked about the fact that FLC, which was showing the strength we always thought that business could command, was now facing uncertainty regarding demand due to the potential regulatory enforcement changes in the United States. And perhaps most important, on top of all that, we talked about the major challenges we were facing within our Compass Lexecon business, E con. It's a great business, with the world's leading professionals but a business that was facing truly substantial disruption heading into 2025. If you remember that discussion, those discussions of the headwinds from the beginning of the year -- the fact that in the face of all those…

Paul Linton

Analyst

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everybody. But as Steve said, we delivered another record year. So I'm pleased to take you through our full year and quarterly performance and provide our guidance for 2026. Beginning with our full year 2025 results. Record revenues of $3.79 billion increased 2.4% compared to 2024, which reflects record performance in our CorpFin, FLC and Stratcom segments as each of those businesses delivered double-digit organic growth in 2025. This robust growth more than offset declines in our Economic Consulting and Tech segment, which, as Steve discussed, faced headwinds this year. Important, even with those headwinds, which were worse than we anticipated at the beginning of 2025, the breadth and depth of our offerings allowed us once again to deliver record revenues as well as record adjusted EBITDA of $463.6 million and record GAAP and adjusted EPS of $8.24 and $8.83, respectively. Now turning to the details of the fourth quarter. Revenues of $990.7 million increased 10.7% compared to the prior year quarter. As discussed in our Q3 earnings call, we expected the fourth quarter seasonal slowdown across the business. Instead, revenues increased 3.6% sequentially with every business, except FLC delivering sequential growth. Fourth quarter net income of $54.5 million increased 9.7% compared to the prior year quarter. The increase in net income was partially offset by an $11.8 million valuation allowance expense again certain prior year foreign deferred tax assets. GAAP EPS of $1.78 increased 29% compared to the prior year quarter. Adjusted EPS of $1.78 increased 14.1% compared to the prior year quarter. As a reminder, Q4 '24 adjusted EPS excluded an $0.18 special charge related to severance. Both GAAP and adjusted EPS included the valuation allowance expense which reduced EPS by $0.38. SG&A of $213.6 million compared to $208.1 million in Q4…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair.

Andrew Nicholas

Analyst

I wanted to start with one that's pretty similar to the one I started with last quarter, which is just on Economic Consulting. Specifically, how would you -- how much of the kind of stabilization quarter-over-quarter or even the improvement in terms of year-over-year declines would you attribute to the market environment versus improved productivity from some of your recent hires? And on the latter point, just a broader update on how you're feeling about the ramp in productivity of the academic focused hires in particular as you look ahead to '26?

Steve Gunby

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. Look, I think, as Paul indicated, I think we are not yet at the bottom of the economics of our ECon practice, primarily driven by the Compass Lexecon situation. And of course, the year-on-year in the first half of this year will continue to be a drag given the fact that the impacts really didn't hit us until somewhere in the middle of the second quarter. And I think that's because we've added costs, both to retain people and we've added these great people. And as of yet, we have not yet seen material revenue gains. We've seen some individuals who brought revenue. Some of the people who came, who can bring revenue are still required by their contracts to be doing revenue with the prior employers. And then some of the people we hire are more early-stage academics who have longer-term futures. So it is a slow ramp on the revenue side, particularly in the U.S., is really what I'm talking about. I think -- and particularly in the U.S. antitrust business, there's really 3 different businesses here. The U.S. finance business was hit on the comp line to help retain people, well, we didn't really lose anybody, and the revenue was actually up in '25, and we feel like that's in pretty good shape. The European business was down even though we didn't lose much talent. And that might have been market conditions. It might have been us being a little distracted by the fight to keep our people. But we are expecting that to get back to solidity by the second half of the year. And we have early signs that it is -- the revenues are coming back there. The real issue is the U.S. antitrust business, where we invested a lot to add that talent and it's slow progress. I think it's an amazingly good group of economists. It is not an aggressive group of business developers. And so you got to get out there and let the lawyers know that you have these great talent. And I think it's taken a while for us to do that. I think we're now finally doing it in a bigger way, and we're getting receptivity as you might imagine. And I think if you look recently for example, the [ Med case, ] which was a major, major case a few weeks ago, the judge cited our testifiers, Dennis Carlton, John List, these are the leading academics that we're talking about. But I don't think most lawyers knew that John List was with us until then, and we're changing that. But I think it's a work in progress, but it's a worthwhile endeavor, but I can't tell you it's a median rebound there. Does that help?

Andrew Nicholas

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. No, that's super helpful. And then I guess my follow-up question. Paul, you talked about AI and the defensibility of the model. in this kind of new AI paradigm. But I'm curious maybe addressing or talking about it from a different perspective, which is on the restructuring front. To the extent that AI is a disruptor as we expect it to be. Do you expect that to positively impact demand for restructuring or business transformation? And if that's the case, how do you feel you're kind of situated from a staffing or capacity perspective to capture that upside and drive growth in that business in that type of scenario?

Paul Linton

Analyst

Maybe I'll start and then see if Steve wants to weigh in. We -- I think we believe we've built the #1 or #2 global restructuring practice. So from that standpoint, we benefit from disruption in markets as businesses have to go through financial difficulties, whether we're helping on the creditor side or on the company side. So from that standpoint, I think we feel well positioned to benefit. Now the timing of disruption from AI or from other factors, I think that's anyone's guess how quickly that will unfold. Surely, there will be winners and losers as AI disrupts business, various businesses in various industries, whether that hits in '26 or '27 or '28 I think that's less certain. Regardless, I think we're well positioned once it starts to happen and once it starts to unfold.

Steve Gunby

Analyst

Maybe I could just broaden that point here. I think that the key thing is our company exists because there is disruption in the world. If the world were calm, no bankruptcies, no crisis, no litigation, no difficulties, no M&A, no stress I don't think my company would exist. We exist because the world is complicated, changes fast. It has disruptive elements. It has -- there's litigation, somebody does you wrong, you sue somebody. And it takes real expertise to navigate those and to win the litigation and to dive in to figure out what happened on the cyber account and so forth. So our company exists because in times of crisis and disruption, you need the leading experts. You don't need technology. You need leading experts who know how to use the latest technology, and that's what we are, which is why we are finding that AI so far -- and we believe going forward will be a positive for our company. So I hope that's helpful, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from James Yaro with Goldman Sachs.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

[ Divyam ] here on behalf of James. I know you touched upon this aspect in the prepared remarks, but could you update us on the impact of AI on the business? What are the impacts you are seeing thus far. You've talked about this being a positive for the business in 2026. Could you elaborate around -- more around that aspect where you will see any benefits? And whether there are any more negative impacts, which you can foresee?

Steve Gunby

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. Look, I think risk a little redundancy. I think the main places where we're seeing the benefit is more on the revenue side. Do we have some efficiency gains? Of course. Will we need as many people summarizing EU regulations in Brussels at the lowest level, the summarization function? You don't need as many. But do you still need people who understand what EU regulations are going to do. The impact on the company? Or are they going to actually enforce it the advice, the value-added, you need that. You need that. And by the way, as the world gets more disruptive and there's EU regulations on AI, you need people who could do that and understand AI and so forth. And so -- we think our Brussels business is a growth business. Do you tweak the leverage a little bit? Yes, you tweak the leverage. But mostly, so far, we're not finding it on efficiency. And we haven't yet torn apart all our cost structures and then are claiming big dollar gains on that. Where it is, is, this disrupted world is triggering demand. And the last question said, will it trigger more bankruptcies and so forth? We suspect it will at some point. I don't think that's where it is. But I think as Paul referred to, in our FLC practice, where the regulatory changes, you have AI companies that are, what do you call, fintech companies that are using AI models that somebody has to go into that fintech company and figure out, is it violating regulatory standards. And that requires somebody who understands regulation, who understands the regulators and is credible with the regulators who could testify in court if they needed to and understands how to tear apart in AI algorithm. How many people do you know that can do that. And so we get work from this. And we think that the more disruption happens from AI, the more of those sorts of things are going to happen, whether it's crisis, communications around those sorts of things or it's bankruptcies around those sorts of things or it's investigations around those sorts of things. So that's why we're feeling like over the next years, this is a positive force for a firm that is like ours, a low leverage, expert-driven firm positioned against disruption. Does that help?

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes, that is super helpful. As a follow-up, there appears to be some market disruptions that are impacting the capital market, which could impact a few of your businesses. Could you speak to whether you're seeing any impact thus far? And could there be some if this AI disruption continues?

Steve Gunby

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. No, of course, I don't know which ones, there seems to be less disruption in the market. But for example, I think we were involved in one way or another in a couple of the private credit perturbations that happened a while ago. And obviously, we have capability to help in any sort of credit thing there, whether it's investigations, fraud investigations or its bankruptcy or it's advising creditors on those sorts of things. To the extent that I think Jamie Dimon said when you see a cockroach, you rarely see just 1 to the extent he's right. We're positioned on that market to be of help to people. But I think in general, when there's economic dislocation something pops out, whether it's bankruptcy or it turns out that somebody who's committing fraud or somebody just needs to advice or there's M&A opportunities, and we are positioned against all of those. Does that help?

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. Again, that's helpful. One last question from our end. You reduced debt by $145 million Q-o-Q and repurchased less debt and at least what we thought. Could you help us think through the capital deployment priorities from here and view on the ability to add leverage from here?

Steve Gunby

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

I didn't understand the point about us reducing debt less than you expected. Is that the question? Or you're saying going forward? What's your question?

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

No. So debt reduced by $145 million Q-o-Q in 4Q '25 and the repurchases were less than what we had at least thought about heading into the earnings. So just wanted to get some clarity around the capital deployment priorities heading from here.

Steve Gunby

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. Look, I think our capital strategy has been the same for -- since I've gotten here, which is part of the thing that makes our company -- the 2 things that create value for our shareholders are organic growth and the ability to sustain organic growth. And then given that it's organic growth primarily, and it's not acquisitions, we can grow organically and have very positive cash flow. And so therefore, the other issue is for us to use our cash wisely. And our definition of why, is, use of cash is dependent on circumstances. A-plus acquisitions that come along, they don't come along that often, and they don't come along with the right culture of people that often and they don't come along with the right culture and cheap and reasonable price. But when they do, when we have them, we do them. Historically, that's not been the primary use of cash. When we had high expense debt, we got rid of some of the high expense debt. And then on share buybacks, we have been very opportunistic. Our experience is that our company is a sustained growth engine and sometimes the market believes and then at least 3 times in my 10 years here, the market has fallen out of belief. One in 2017 when -- even though we were forecasting reaffirmed guidance, the stock dropped back into the 30s, one at the end of 2020 when we said the restructuring boom from COVID was over and yet, it didn't mean demise for our company because our testifiers were now able to go back in court and the stock dropped from 154 to I think, 96. And then the third, candidly, this year, where we clearly expressed the view of headwinds. But we also expressed the view that those were temporary headwinds that we thought we could overcome. And we don't believe the market fully understood. And so we don't buy shares back every quarter, but when we believe the market has fundamentally overgeneralized a short-term hit, and we think we can create value for our shareholders by going in. And so I think all 3 of those times, we bought well north of 5% of our company back. And so that's what we monitor. And if we find the right opportunities, we're not afraid to jump on it. And as you've mentioned, whatever you say about our debt situation, is tiny, right? I mean I think our net debt in the fourth quarter might have been $100 million, which puts us like 1/4 of EBITDA. So I think we have plenty of opportunity to do whatever seems to make sense going forward. Does that help?

Operator

Operator

As there are no analysts left in our queue, this concludes our question-and-answer session.

Steve Gunby

Analyst

Let me just say thank you all for your attention and your support. It was an interesting year with a fair amount of challenges. I have to say I'm so excited about our team's ability to weather those challenges and important different than when I got here 10 years ago, how many people in our company have now the confidence to if they have a slow quarter to continue to invest behind great businesses and great people. We have now proved time and time again that, that works for the multiyear trajectory. And it builds a firm that people want to join and be part of. It's a fun journey, we look forward to continuing it with you. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.