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Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 1, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Franklin Covey’s Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Shinette and I will be your operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Derek Hatch. Mr. Hatch, you may begin.

Derek Hatch

Management

Thank you. On behalf of the Company, I'd like to welcome everyone to our call this afternoon to discuss the third quarter fiscal 2015 financial results. Before we begin this afternoon, I'd like to remind everybody that this presentation contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are based upon management’s current expectations and are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to the ability of the Company to stabilize and grow revenues, the ability of the Company to hire productive sales professionals, general economic conditions, competition in the Company’s targeted marketplace, market acceptance of new products or services and marketing strategies, changes in the Company’s market share, changes in the size of the overall market for the Company’s products, changes in the training and spending policies of our clients and other factors identified and discussed in the Company’s most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Many of these conditions are beyond our control or influence, any one of which may cause future results to differ materially from the Company’s current expectations. And there can be no assurance that the Company’s actual future performance will meet management’s expectations. These forward-looking statements are based on management’s current expectations and we undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of today’s presentation except as required by law. With that out of the way, we’d like to turn the time over to our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Bob Whitman.

Bob Whitman

Management

Thanks Derek. Hello everyone, and happy July. Thanks so much for joining us and I'm happy to have the chance to report on our fiscal third quarter results. First, I thought it might be helpful to provide just some quick third quarter highlights; I'll just do that now. Our third quarter revenue of $48.3 million was the highest ever for a third quarter, even after absorbing more than $1.3 million in foreign exchange impact. Our prospective business pipelines really grew significantly during the quarter, setting the stage for what we expect to be our highest ever revenue for both the fourth and first quarters. Our operating results were solid, due to similar -- by the combination of $0.5 million negative foreign exchange impact and the increased staffing and training investments in our Education practice necessary to prepare for the delivery of the significant booked revenue in the fourth quarter. We are making significant progress on each of our key growth initiatives and have made some meaningful refinements to our business model, which we expect to increase our profitability and flow through and scalability, both in the fourth quarter and particularly in fiscal 2016. After utilizing $5.9 million during the quarter to repurchase stock, we still ended the quarter with $13.8 million in cash and our full $30 million credit facility undrawn, so our cash flow is strong. It's also a strong quarter in terms of meeting our own expectations. The primary differences to our expectations were that one, we expected a significant amount of revenue from some large third quarter contract wins to be -- some of that revenue to be realized in the third quarter, and while we were thrilled that these contracts were awarded, a delay in the timing of these awards or in the start of their…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from Tim McHugh with William Blair, please go ahead.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Yes, thank you.

Bob Whitman

Management

Hi Tim.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Hi, how are you doing?

Bob Whitman

Management

Great, how are you?

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Good. Just I guess one numbers question, the impairment charge, maybe I missed it if it was detailed, but what's the impairment this quarter?

Bob Whitman

Management

Steve?

Steve Young

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

There are two components to the impairment. We had a set of discussions related to related party receivable and the long-term cash flow related to the collection for the long-term portion of that receivable, and while this set of discussions benefits us somewhat currently, the long-term view caused us to impair that receivable from a related party by between 500,000 and 600,000. In addition to that, we had some changes in content that caused us to impair a portion of amounts that we had capitalized in a couple of content areas, and the sum of those two things is the million that's reflected in the financials.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Okay. I guess as you think about the deals, I guess, slipping relative to your expectations, maybe just elaborate on what's happened, because you actually -- you tell a story about more and more of the revenue coming from repeat customers and from intellectual property, but there seems to have been a number of kind of things slipping in the last year. Trying to triangulate the visibility with these items slipping, and associated with that, when you talk about I think the strong Q4 and then Q1, I think you meant or you made the comment that it would be a record year, but if you are growing every quarter it is a record year. So what's the growth rate that you think about as you go into 20 -- if you say this pipeline sets you up for the following year? What's the target at this point?

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah. First we will take that last question first and then go back to kind of the shifting economics, would that be helpful, Tim?

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Yeah, that's great.

Bob Whitman

Management

Good. Yeah, as it relates to our growth rate, we've said our long-term expected growth rate and kind of year after year has been -- our goal is to grow revenue at least 10% a year and try to have a flow through of incremental revenue of that incremental revenue of approximately 25% to 30% closer to adjusted EBITDA. As you know, over the last couple of years, it's been a little noisy because of the government shutdown and sequestration, and last year's plus [indiscernible] of FX hit us by $4 million of EBITDA, but we increased adjusted EBITDA by $3 million. In the year, we really -- that flow through would have been more like what we thought had we -- but for that. But again, those things happened. This year, it's more FX related, but in general we are – and to try to actually adjust that, we've done some dimensions and refinements in the business model to provide ourselves some additional cushion, so that whatever that pothole is next year, that might be a few million dollar pothole, but we are still able to meet at least a 10% revenue growth number and with the flow through of 25% to 30% EBITDA. So is that responsive on the first question?

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Yeah.

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah. And then as it relates to shifting economics, let me just tell you, we got kind of two bases of revenue. We've got a normal base of revenue, this 90% repeat revenue that flows relatively consistently, but not every client renews exactly the same time every year and there is -- it's not always that there is a – it might not be a gap between one division finishing some training and somebody new starting, but that's kind of the normal flow of the business we deal with. Increasingly, in the last couple of years, we've had opportunities for some large contracts and these are, I think, with the economy coming back partly, people are now recognizing they have some money to invest in leadership development and training, so they are putting out large proposals where their large clients with whom we worked, who historically are now doing something big. They want to do something big. They don't have a specific timeline for doing it, and so they set up a process and say they have certain time they want to do. We win the contract, but then things like this happened, and they might start the contract two or three months later, that's still a good news for us, but sometimes when we think -- we think we have a specific start date and it moves off a month or so, that’s I think the nature of what happens there. But beyond that I think the only other thing in the last year that's been a little bit – that’s pushed us a little bit more than normal from quarter to quarter is that with the launch of 7 Habits last year, the 7 Habits product, because it was primarily purchased by people, these decision-makers who became certified…

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

No, that’s fine. And then I guess I missed was, did you give the client partner number for the end of the quarter?

Bob Whitman

Management

It was 181. So, as we mentioned last year, we are now hiring in classes and so, we use to kind of hire throughout US. We still do a little bit of that. But generally, we’re trying to hiring classes at a specific time. We find it especially a good thing for people who are part of the class. There is the collegiality, the competition, et cetera that comes with that. And so, in the corporate side, we’re hiring now one big time a year and then filling in with any replacements during the course of the year. And so, that big hiring was in the fall last year and we’ll expect to be in the late fall this year, probably right before Christmas when we hire the next big class there. Education has the same idea but they do theirs in the summer. They’ve just hired a group of client partners for next year there. But that’s -- so, the 181, we expect by about the time we report year end in November that we will have higher -- another -- the number that will get us into the 200, 205 to 208 range, which was the target but it’s a couple of months later than the original target. Now, we’re recognizing that instead of hiring those people right at the -- that class right at the same time we’re kicking off all of the new year and all of the effort that’s done with managing existing – meeting with all the existing people who are better off to give those people kind of their own time in the sun and clouded by everyone else and that’s we’re going to be hiring those folks in kind of late November, early December, so that they get trained and ready to go in January.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair, please go ahead

Okay, thank you.

Bob Whitman

Management

Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Marco Rodriguez of Stonegate Capital Partners.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · Stonegate Capital Partners

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I was wondering if you could help quantify the revenue or the impact of revenue in adjusted EBITDA from the large contracts that got pushed in Q4 -- into Q4 that is?

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah, I think we can. There is good -- we had good flow through for additional contracts and so, we thought there would be about a million dollars of revenue delivered in third quarter, which would have contributed after gross margin and commissions about half that amount. So, probably half a million got pushed there to EBITDA. And then as I mentioned, the conversation cycle from our marketing events in trust this quarter, the good news, we positioned this as more -- trust as more a strategic thing and then just training facilitators. That was a good thing but it also meant that we build up a little bit more pipeline. There was about a million less revenue there, probably another half a million. So, but for the -- those two factors, and again, they’re just part of business. We’re not trying to say they are extraordinary events. We’re just trying to give context on what our own -- versus our own expectations, so it would have been about another million of EBITDA contribution on those items, which we don’t think we’ve lost, we will get it. We will still get it. And part of that will increase our fourth quarter and part of it may push into the -- because of our really significant pipeline that we have to deliver in the fourth quarter, some may -- because of either our schedules or client schedules, some of that may push into the first quarter.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · Stonegate Capital Partners

Got it. And then I wonder if you can may be kind of elaborate and go back a little bit more in terms of these realignments that you made in the business here? One of the prior questions, it sounded like your answer was you wanted to kind of give yourselves a little bit more of a cushion to meet the topline of 10% and flow through of 25% to 30%. But unless I misunderstood, you kind of sounded like some of the issues at least this year that have been impacting are kind of transitory in terms of FX in just some business moving from Q3 to Q4. So, I’m just kind of trying to understand what’s kind of really driving this realignments that you discussed in the business?

Bob Whitman

Management

Thanks, Mark. Yeah, you got exactly right. What’s driving the realignment is nothing to its cost. It’s just is a result of we’ve been -- we’ve also been working on the business model, but the realignment is really to make sure that we have intense focus on one or two direct objectives rather than multiple ones, and so, the idea of setting up the strategic markets group and asking Shawn moving to head it is the idea that it’s one of our fastest growth areas and biggest opportunities within things like sales performance and in customer loyalty and in some of these vertical market things that we’re doing, even in healthcare and other things, where we haven’t -- we don’t talk about it a whole lot here, but they are fast growing small initiatives. We feel that without real leadership on those things, we won’t put the kind of organizational muscle behind it to make these things successful. These tend to be big deals, they tend to be things when people train their entire sales force worldwide, et cetera, this is something where you need a special set of skills. Shawn Moon has run these groups over the years and so his main idea was if we could do that, organize that group, in addition, identify a number of select accounts that we’ve never really even been in on, it might be 100 really significant companies that have a big opportunity, but where they’re one of sixty accounts and other sales person is focusing on and we will now have a sales person who might be focusing on three or four of those accounts. Also, we believe in some of these vertical markets, there are some opportunities for some small bolt-on acquisitions that could increase our potential and sales performance…

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · Stonegate Capital Partners

Yeah, that’s very helpful. And last quick question, I’ll jump back in queue. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the international licensees revenue in the quarter, it looks like it declined year-over-year, can you talk a little bit about the drivers there?

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah. I’ll ask Sean Covey just to respond.

Sean Covey

Analyst · Stonegate Capital Partners

Sure. Yeah. So for the fourth quarter, with FX taken out, FX impact, which was negative, we grew up 4%. If you look in to it, growth has been pretty stable, this quarter dropped primarily because of three large partners that had a bad quarter, one of them in particular had a large deal last year, Puerto Rico, but didn’t repeat this year. I don’t think it’s anything systemic and I expect that we’ll get back to the 10% to 12% range we’ve been in. If you look at the last there quarters so far this year, so year-to-date, we’re at 9% growth and the last year, it’s at 12.5%. If you look at the 9% growth this year, if you look at just the gross revenue, so just the grossed up revenue of all the partners, in their local currency, it’s also at 12%. But we reported 9% just because there are some direct sales we had last year in Korea and some other markets that are reported in that number. So I think generally we feel this 10% to 12% growth rate with the partners that we’ve had for the last many years is still a place that with an off quarter primarily because of three larger partners that had – just had an off quarter.

Bob Whitman

Management

Sean, you might just speak to expectation for the fourth quarter and for the year for licensing?

Sean Covey

Analyst · Stonegate Capital Partners

Yeah. So we think that the FX will be about the same as it has been, it’s been hitting us pretty hard. And it easily takes down your percentage growth by -- it’s been anywhere from 8% to 10% each quarter. We expect that to continue. We expect our growth rate in local currency to continue at the same rate it’s been at, we think this third quarter again is an anomaly and will be in the 10% to 12% range. Does that help?

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst · Stonegate Capital Partners

Absolutely. Thanks a lot guys, appreciate it.

Bob Whitman

Management

Thanks, Marco.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jeff Martin of ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Jeff Martin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Thanks. Hi, Bob.

Bob Whitman

Management

Hey, Jeff.

Jeff Martin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Bob, could you shed some light on the revenue recognition in terms of accounting of large contracts and if there is any risk of not – if you don’t complete those contracts, you won’t be able to recognize revenue for some of them in the fourth quarter?

Bob Whitman

Management

Let’s talk about the different nature of contracts, really kind of two – I mean, there are kind of three generic ways it can happen. One is, it’s just a contract where they sign it up and they ask us to do onsite delivery, that’s the least frequently occurring, but that way is just – we do that one class at a time and one course at a time. So that’s recognized just as it’s delivered over a period, but they have – they sign a master contract where you’re doing that. The second would be where they purchase an intellectual property license and that again is done when they purchase the license, they get the rights, that revenue is recognized, there is no ongoing obligation there unless they also buy services, you know coaching services or something in association with that which again are fulfilled on a piecemeal basis. And then the third would be, if they decide to certify a champion inside the company and then by materials from, so I think the revenue recognition, the size of the contract doesn’t really change the nature of what we do. The revenue recognition is pretty straight forward for any of those three. We do it lots of times at smaller contracts, so there is nothing unique in most of these larger contracts that changes revenue recognition or risks the recognition of that revenue.

Jeff Martin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

And then you enter that acquisitions, could you shed some perspective there, are these mostly tuck-ins that you’re talking about and what specific practices are you looking to add?

Bob Whitman

Management

I mean, this idea, we have got – our practices have each grown to kind of the $20 million plus range, which means that in any one of the content categories, we are in the top, if we are not the top practice in the industry in that content category, we are one of the three or four. But in some of these vertical practices, there are other people out there who are kind of equivalent in size and so as you know in the past, we have done some tuck-in acquisitions where those -- like 5 Online or NinetyFive 5, where we bought this tool set basically plus we got to grow some really good people, Red Tree, I guess some contents and great people, Speed of Trust was the largest acquisition, which is a new category for us. But I think, as we enter in some of these vertical markets, instead of just trying to say, what’s the greatest amount of revenue we can get just using our own content. The real question we want to focus on which we have done in these areas is to say, what it takes to solve the problem, and if there is a tool set we don’t have or a capability we don’t have, where there is somebody else had region to a client segment that we want, that kind of a thing in sales performance for example, or customer loyalty as an example, or in healthcare going to be good acquisitions where you are making a $10 million or $12 million, $15 million acquisition that fits in nicely with what we are doing gives us an additional capabilities. We are not thinking about making kind of a transformational, kind of an acquisition and risking a lot of things on that. But I think we just think there are some good things to do that could increase, for example, in sales performance, the acquisition of one or two of those people could put us into it that, being that would be equal or equivalent to any of the top two or three sales training companies. We are in the top eight or ten now. We could move up into the top tier with an acquisition there in customer loyalty. It wouldn’t take much to move into that top tier. And so those are the things we are thinking about is taking our content, other people’s content and to our distribution and really trying to own some of these content categories.

Jeff Martin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay. And then could you talk about the ramp in client partners and that’s a big part of the thesis here is that the ramp and adding more each year or at least having to step it up last year and this year will create some higher visibility into some consistent growth that’s in that 8% to 10% range?

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah, thanks, Jeff. Let me say, first of all, we have been doing as you know for years hiring and ramping sales people and reported that each year they are king of a key metrics for us with respect to new sales people, are they hitting the ramp and two, do we retain the right percentage of those new people. As it relates to hitting the ramp. The people we have kept have hit the ramp and are being ahead of the ramp consistently and are again, this year we expect and we usually report on this in November kind of after the year is over, because these classes come in in the fall and then gets through their first year and others are on that schedule where their ramp metrics are set kind of on these annual basis. But during the ramp up, with the addition of sales manager position a couple or three years ago, the regional practice leaders we help people present these events and close sales, other sales support that we provide centrally. While we've increased our investment, certainly the ramp up has been good and we have no concerns about the ability to ramp up the sales people. In terms of retention, again the addition -- we originally thought that we had hired 15 to net 10. In our first six years of doing this we had to hire 17 to net 10. That included a couple of tough years like 2009 when fewer people were successful probably. But generally now we think it's in the range of still we got to hire 16 to net 10, but that's been pretty good – been pretty consistent and the addition of sales managers has really helped us retain those people hiring in classes that we think…

Jeff Martin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay. So if we were going to characterize this in a summary fashion, you had a depleted pipeline going back about four, five months ago, you worked to fill that pipeline and now you feel good about where you are at in terms of getting back to a 10-ish percent growth rate. Is that accurate?

Bob Whitman

Management

It is. I mean these four offices, it is primarily in four direct offices in the US which of course constitute around $85 million of revenue. These offices I think we showed on one of the slides, slide six, averaged over a four year period 12.6% growth and then over the two year period 13.7%. So it's really I think just the launch of 5 Choices and then 7 Habits, because these were shorter term sales to -- you saw our revenue drop off a little bit in some of these longer term contracts. We've been building that back up in almost every office, that's -- we expected, as you said, the sequential growth in the third quarter which we got minus the 1 million that we didn’t get and which is about 4% that we didn't get in the quarter, but the 96% we thought – of what we thought we would get we did get and now the fourth quarter pipeline is so much bigger that we feel like that on an overall basis we are right there. We've got one office whose pipeline isn't so as quite where we’d like it to be, but they are also adding at the most rapid rate. So we feel like in the fourth quarter and certainly by the first quarter, we will be in a very good position to just have a more consistent growth in these offices.

Jeff Martin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Got it. Thanks for your time, Bob.

Bob Whitman

Management

Thank you, Jeff.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Kevin Liu of B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Kevin Liu

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead

Hi, good afternoon.

Bob Whitman

Management

Kevin, how are you?

Kevin Liu

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead

Good. First question. Just in terms of the near-term visibility, from what I gathered on this call, it sounds like a lot of your training day is already booked up for the current quarter, so even if you were to close the March deals, you wouldn't necessarily deliver them in Q4. So is the implied Q4 guidance based on your full year numbers basically pretty much in hand just given all the number of book days or is there still some dependence on some large deals within the pipeline closing this quarter?

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah, the reason so much depend and let me just say again, there are two kinds of large deals, there are some that are intellectual property deals and we have a couple of those still to close and those are recognized in the quarter. Other large deals would be for delivery late in the fourth quarter and in the first quarter. So our guidance really reflects business is already on the books, a couple of intellectual property contracts that we have been told we're getting and expect to. But more than anything, the very ability for us then is, just really on our large client facilitator business in the fourth quarter, which is usually August, you can see that. If you look back at our numbers on the previous fourth quarters, let's say last year the four direct offices in U.S. did $21 million approximately in the third quarter and then did $26 million in the fourth quarter because of this uplift, and so we're expecting that kind of an uplift again in those direct offices, and we've been doing that for a lot of years and I have confidence in that but as you say, most of our booked days are booked and to be delivered. We still for the next three or four weeks can affect that and influence new bookings that we can still deliver but our guidance range anticipates mostly what's on the books or things that we are in the stage of the pipeline where there is an 85% plus chance they'll get on the books or just facilitate yourself that occur in the fourth quarter or in the August.

Kevin Liu

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead

Understood and I think earlier you guys talked a little bit about underutilization impacting the gross margin and the business, with kind of the numbers of days sold for Q4 already, I mean, how meaningful of a pick-up should we see in the gross margin line as you absorb that capacity to deliver.

Bob Whitman

Management

Let me give you an example in that, we mentioned in first and second quarters that for example in the education business we hire coaches who continue – whose focus is on trying to make sure that every school you know we deliver quality results in every school. Those coaches are not – we’re not doing out at high rates because they’re schools, we want to make sure that it's a service to those schools. And so, our margins including materials and service everything else, we’re only 45% for those coaches during the two quarters and really into the third quarter as well. Those same coaches on the other hand are now delivering training in new schools in the fourth quarter and as we mentioned in previous quarters, the gross margin and flow through on that is very high, so their gross margins are in the high 60s in the fourth quarter, where they were in the 40s during the earlier. So I think there is a pick-up there, there is a pick-up in gross margin typically because of the significant amount of material sales to license facilitators that occur in the fourth quarter and also a number of our large intellectual property contracts that organizations buy and renew each year also happen to happen usually tend to happen in our fourth quarter, where they get some kind of a pricing advantage for doing so. Our gross margin in last year's fourth quarter was around 69% for the Company as a whole in the fourth quarter compared with annual average more than mid-60s. So there is quite an uplift in gross margins, so there is a lot of flow through from incremental revenue in the fourth quarter.

Kevin Liu

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead

Got it, that's all I have thanks a lot.

Bob Whitman

Management

Thanks very much Kevin.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Peter Van Roden of Spitfire, please go ahead.

Peter Van Roden

Analyst · Spitfire, please go ahead

Hey guys.

Bob Whitman

Management

Hey Peter, how are you?

Peter Van Roden

Analyst · Spitfire, please go ahead

Good, I'm just a little bit confused on the sales or the client partner side, just want to make sure that I understand it and so, let me walk you through what I understand. So you guys ended the fourth quarter at 169 people, and you're at 181 today, and then you still want to end the fourth quarter, so September 30th at about 200?

Bob Whitman

Management

What we've said kind of generally is that by the time we report our fourth quarter in the last couple of years, when we've had all the hires done, so for the next year, so we basically, what the number we get is 205 to 210, was kind of our target by the end of this year, that includes the hiring of the next class to the following year and so that will happen I say kind of in the November period the hiring, they'll be trained in December, and begin in January, so we’ll expect to hire 20 to 25 new people between now and say the end of November, mid-November.

Peter Van Roden

Analyst · Spitfire, please go ahead

Got it. Okay. So what’s going -- what’s really happening and as you kind of get to that net 30 for the year and then also add some additional people to start the build for 2016?

Bob Whitman

Management

Yeah. And it’s really -- and I apologize for the confusion. This is really what’s happened in the last couple of years as well is that we were at 145 or so sales people I believe at the actual, literally at August 31st last year or something like that. But, so we added a large number in the first quarter last year. I mean we added them, they were added as part of our target for the growth, but they’re just added in the class that came in the fall. So this isn’t particularly a new thing. The only new thing I think is that we’re hiring now as a class and we’re moving that class back a couple of months.

Peter Van Roden

Analyst · Spitfire, please go ahead

Okay. Got it.

Bob Whitman

Management

We can give you a summary. If you want to call, and we just walk you through year-by-year, so you can see how that’s played out.

Peter Van Roden

Analyst · Spitfire, please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thanks guys.

Bob Whitman

Management

Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Bob for closing remarks.

A - Bob Whitman

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Well, really appreciate you joining us today. We appreciate your support and great questions. Of course, delighted to answer any questions you have. Hope everyone has a great holiday weekend and we look forward to talking to you soon. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.