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National Vision Holdings, Inc. (EYE)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 11, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the National Vision’s Second Quarter 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today’s conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. David Mann, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

David Mann

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to National Vision’s Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Joining me on the call today are Reade Fahs, CEO; and Patrick Moore, COO and CFO. Our earnings release issued this morning and the presentation, which will be referenced during the call, are both available on the Investors section of our website, nationalvision.com, and a replay of the audio webcast will be archived on the Investors page after the call. Before we begin, let me remind you that our earnings materials and today’s presentation include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the factors identified in the release and our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The release in today’s presentation also includes certain non-GAAP measures. Reconciliation of these measures is included in our release and the supplemental presentation. We also would like to draw your attention to Slide 2 in today’s presentation for additional information about forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. As a reminder, National Vision expects to provide certain supplemental materials or presentations for investor reference on the Investors section of our website. Now let me turn the call over to Reade.

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Thank you, David. Good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today. I hope you’re all staying safe and healthy. Turning to Slide 4 and Q2 summary. For the second quarter, net revenue decreased 7.3% versus our record Q2 sales last year, and adjusted comparable store sales declined 12.4% compared to the record 76.7% increase in the second quarter of 2021. We delivered adjusted diluted EPS of $0.21 for the quarter. We’re pleased with the bottom line performance this quarter, which reflected the team’s strong focus to manage expenses. We expect that our second quarter performance would be impacted by the weaker consumer environment as well as constraints on our exam capacity. As the quarter progressed, economic conditions for consumers further deteriorated. The macro headwinds, including higher inflation, weaker consumer confidence and risks of recession are continuing to pressure our lower-income, predominantly uninsured customers, especially when compared to record demand last year. In terms of constraints to our exam capacity, we feel incrementally better about our capacity situation. While exam capacity remains out of sync with our needs in many of our stores in certain markets, thereby affecting patient traffic, we’re making sequential progress towards improved retention and strong hirings and continue to project exam capacity to gradually improve by year-end. Despite these challenges, we continue to focus on our growth initiatives. We opened 22 stores, including our 1,300th location and now operate over 1,000 stores in our 2 growth brands. We continued our rollout of remote medicine and are on track to operate in up to 300 stores by year-end. Also, we recently announced a multiyear extension of our current lens purchasing agreement with EssilorLuxottica. We’re excited to extend this relationship with a key long-term partner that allows us to continue to provide our patients and customers with…

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Thank you, Reade, and good morning, everyone. It has been such an enormous privilege to be this company’s CFO for the last 8 years, and I look forward to continuing to contribute in my new position. I also want to say how pleased I am that Melissa will serve as our next CFO beginning in January. Melissa and I have worked side-by-side for the last 3 years and she is an outstanding leader for the team. Together, we are executing a seamless and effective transition. Now let’s start on Slide 10 for some additional financial detail on the quarter. As a reminder, the second quarter of 2021 had the tailwinds to revenue and profitability from pent-up demand from store closures, the benefit of government stimulus and an elevated average ticket. In Q2 2022, net revenue decreased 7.3% compared to 2021 due to macroeconomic headwinds, constraints to exam capacity and exceptional growth last year. The timing of unearned revenue was inconsequential this quarter, benefiting revenue growth by 0.2%. During the quarter, we opened 20 new America’s Best stores and 2 Eyeglass World stores for a 5.2% increase in store count. For our America’s Best and Eyeglass World growth brands combined, unit growth increased 6.9% over the last year. Adjusted comparable store sales declined 12.4% versus 2021 compared to a record 76.7% increase in the second quarter of 2021. Q2 comparable store sales were impacted primarily by a decline in customer transactions. Average ticket declined slightly year-over-year. We remain encouraged by the fact that our average ticket has generally stabilized this year, helped by pricing actions and successful product introductions like Blue Light. Turning to Slide 11. As a percentage of net revenue, costs applicable to revenue increased 310 basis points or better than our expectations of a 400 to 450 basis…

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Thank you, Patrick. Turning to Slide 16 and our Moment of Mission. For our Moment of Mission, let me introduce Dr. John Jett, an optometrist who has practiced for 28 years, including about 7 years with National Vision, and who has performed remote exams in our stores for over a year. Recently, a female patient booked an appointment for a newly available remote exam with Dr. Jett at an America’s Best store. Her chief complaint was blurry vision and she assumed she just needed new glasses. Because money was a concern, she put off seeing an eye doctor for some time. Once she could afford to do so, which America’s Best’s affordability made possible sooner than other options, she scheduled a remote appointment with Dr. Jett on a day when an exam with an in-store doctor was not available. During the remote exam performed from a location over 500 miles away from the store, Dr. Jett saw a medical condition on the retinal image that required urgent care. He sends the patient to the emergency room immediately with a recommendation for a spinal tap. Within 2 hours, the patient was airlifted for emergency brain surgery, where a 2.5-inch tumor was removed. As we say, a routine eye exam is routine until it isn’t. When every second counted for this patient’s life, our remote capacity made it possible for Dr. Jett to give her an exam that ultimately saved her life. When we talk about access to eye care, this is what we’re talking about. This is our mission: affordability and access to eye care at its lifesaving best and an example of how remote capabilities are making it possible for us to create greater affordability, greater accessibility and ultimately, make profound even lifesaving impacts on patients’ lives. I want to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Kathleen Brenneck of Goldman Sachs.

Kate McShane

Analyst

Actually, this is Kate McShane from Goldman Sachs. We were interested in hearing a little bit more about the sequential improvement you could be seeing as a result of customers trading down. It sounds like it maybe was a little bit more than what you saw in Q1. But are there any more details around quantifying it?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Thank you, Kate. We are seeing nicer cars in the parking lot emerging gradually. And this is not out of line with sort of what we remember back from the ‘08, ‘09. And it is happening more in the markets where there are sort of wealthier consumers. We’re seeing this in a more pronounced way. So that is occurring. I mean -- and I will say sort of the comps throughout the months were improving modestly month-to-month so that was somewhat encouraging in nature. But we’re at the beginning stages of the nicer cars in the parking lot and we expect it to build over time.

Kate McShane

Analyst

Okay. And as a follow-up question, we wanted to ask about price increases, which I think were implemented later in the first quarter and the beginning of the second quarter. Just any kind of detail around the impact on the comp in the quarter and for the second half and what the elasticity response has been to those -- to that higher price? It’s been quite a while since you increased the exam price.

Reade Fahs

Analyst

It has been quite a while since we increased the price. I will say, the effect has been right in line with our expectations. We feel that this was the smart thing to do. We’re pleased with that. We’re always in touch -- we’re very in touch with our store associates who are saying they actually -- we’re expecting it to be a bigger event and it was a nonevent at the store level. [indiscernible] to a low-price model, we believe the gap between us and our competition is going to only increase in these inflationary environments, but we think that was the right call and we feel real good about it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Simeon Gutman.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst

Back to the Kate’s question, I guess you prefer not to answer regarding a price increase, like how much it’s helping the comp just to clarify? And then can you discuss how it impacts the incremental margins, meaning do we get back to an average rate of incremental flow-through with the price increase? Does it help relative to history or does it not fully account for all the costs that are running through the business?

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Simeon, it’s Patrick. Yes, we have modeled -- I mean, obviously, you can do the math on the percentage increase on that base offer. And we had modeled a certain percentage of volume deterioration on a short-term basis. We were expecting to see net benefit out of that this year, and we are. So Reade was confirming that. As I look at that, as I kind of think more broadly and think about that entry-level pricing and what we’re delivering to the customer in terms of value, it’s at a margin that’s lower than the aggregate eyeglass margin but it’s still quite healthy. And we get a lot of customers that come in and take that base offer and also add 1 or 2 things to it as well. Pricing did help, net helped the second quarter based on that net advantage that I discussed.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst

Okay. My follow-up, it’s more high level. Looking at some metrics from 2019 compared to today, there’s a couple of things that stand out. It looks like sales per store are not really higher versus that period. Gross profit per store is down a little as well. And SG&A is up, not an unreasonable amount, but it’s having this pronounced effect on the EBIT so there’s a lot of deleverage, and I’m sure you see the same thing. So in terms of explaining it, it either means maybe the business isn’t gaining share, maybe you’re opening too many stores, either you’re not raising price enough or you’re under-earning, and this all gets rectified next year. I know it may be a combination of all of the above, but curious how you look at these -- the growth versus ‘19?

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Yes. And I think we’ve given some of these numbers before. I’ll update them here for you. As you think about 2022, there has been large-scale impacts and frankly, body blows. The out-of-the-gate severe Omicron period, we disclosed a figure, I don’t remember, it offhand. We have seen continued weakness, macro challenges, and we’ve kind of called out a couple of hundred million in sales that, frankly, as we started the year, we would have expected to see. And you’ve seen that as we’ve adjusted guidance. So to me, the big impact is the large headwinds that the business has faced this year, beginning as early as January 1. And we do not see that those headwinds are going to continue in that degree. So I think that it’s a tough time to look at those metrics, I agree with you. We’re obviously looking at the same things. And I think that -- as I think about the future, I go back to 2019 as a baseline. I think about where did we peak across the pandemic in 2021 when stimulus was high, volumes were high. And it’s going to be somewhere between those two, probably not at the peak but I do think we’re going to see some improvements coming off ‘19.

Reade Fahs

Analyst

And to another part of your question, Simeon, we do not believe we’re losing market share. We think we are holding our own in terms of market share, which we think is impressive, given our consumer and the impact of inflation on our consumer and the fact that managed care is such a small part of our business and also given the market share gains we’ve had in recent years. But we do not believe we’re losing market share.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephanie Wissink of Jefferies.

Stephanie Wissink

Analyst

One, we wanted to explore the supply and demand balance. And if you could just help us think through what percentage of opportunity do you think you’re missing because of capacity? And how much do you think remote medicine can help close that gap? Just give us some sense of maybe what you’re implying in the back half guidance, but also how much you think you’re leaving on the table with respect to just the capacity constraints you’re experiencing.

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Yes. We think sort of the macroeconomic environment and the capacity issues are roughly in balance in terms of their impact on our business. And therefore, as we increase OD capacity, we are expecting that to be quite favorable for us. Again, we’re pleased that retention is improving and up versus last year. We are having a very strong recruiting season. And as we accelerate remote, that should help as well. But in essence, we see it sort of balanced. And we see, with remote, a nice jump in productivity overall. So that’s -- yes, so we’re encouraged by that and we think it’s important.

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Yes. I would just add one other point on remote. As we’ve started the outset of the year, we were -- we discussed a figure of about $6 million of net dilution, and that’s all the remote benefit to profitability less the startup and ramp costs. We’ve effectively cut that in half as we’ve moved through the year based on what that initiative is providing us, especially in those markets where we started early in the year with remote that really needed the assistance from remote.

Stephanie Wissink

Analyst

Patrick, if I could offer one follow-up. On the average ticket, it was really encouraging to see that stabilize from quarter-to-quarter. I also want to make sure we’re hearing what you’re saying about back-to-school with the children’s business outperforming maybe some of the traditional seasonal adult business. Do you anticipate average ticket could dip in the third quarter before it recovers in the fourth quarter? Or are you assuming that it stays quite stable, given a full quarter of the price increase in the base business?

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Thanks for the question. So as we thought about ticket and gross margin, we are guiding towards a little dip in ticket. And there’s some conservatism in that, which I think is -- continues to be warranted. And the dip is seasonal. We do see with under 18 customers being served, we see the ticket typically drop. And we’re just also watching macro challenges for that lower-income consumer. So we do have it dipping somewhat through the third quarter. We’re happy that in general, it’s significantly above 2019. We’ve added some -- we’ve taken some price increases along the way. We’ve added some -- we’ve added Blue Light to lens options and we’re seeing that on a pretty good take-up. So all in all, we’ve been really pleased with where ticket has stabilized this year, so any short-term dip in that, we’re really not that worried about it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Adrienne Yih of Barclays.

Adrienne Yih

Analyst

So Reade, I’m going to go back to the exam capacity because that seems to be where you can get a lot of kind of incremental margin and profit flow-through. Where is the exam capacity today versus sort of more normalized? And then the remote medicine is offering up -- is going to be in 30% of stores in the 300 stores when it is fully rolled out. But how much does that increase exam capacity? Because I’m assuming that, that being in the stores is going to be materially higher kind of in a percentage of increase for the exam. And then Patrick, where is your breakeven comp point in the back half? How should we think about that for COGS and for SG&A? And then the reduction -- you called out store payroll hours. And so I’m wondering, is that reduction in hours, reduction in staffing? Does that impact the productivity of the stores that you’re trying to achieve?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

I’ll take the first part. Adrienne, you’re right. Optometric capacity is a key focus area for us. And again, we’re pleased that retention is up versus last year and improving, and we’re pleased that our hiring is going very well and remote is a key part of the improvement program that we have. We are seeing incremental progress in exam capacity with every month and we’re expecting it to improve by year-end. We don’t go into a lot of detail on the exact specific productivity related to remote because it’s an internal program that we have and like to keep it as such. But you’re right, what are we believing is going to help us going forward. These improvements in exam capacity, what are we seeing? We are seeing that occurring and we’re expecting continued improvement by the end of the year.

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Okay. On the breakeven comp, it’s really where we’ve been for quite a while. It’s in that 4% to 5% range in terms of our comp leverage point. We’re obviously guiding significantly lower that in the second half of this year. But we have been, I think, making really nice smart cost reduction decisions. A large component of our cost is store labor, and we do our best to match the labor to the level of demand that we’re seeing and expecting. That’s not easy. Our store teams have done a really nice job working through that. We’ve also -- we’re going to also leverage advertising in a year where on a best setting, most people would have expected we could do that. So I’ve been really pleased with how our marketing teams have navigated that as well. And finally, we’ve taken some degree of cost out of some of the corporate areas, but frankly, not a lot. We’re still focused on building 80-plus stores. We’re focused on remote medicine rollout. We’re focused on omnichannel initiatives around the edge. We’re still moving forward, knowing that at some point, the biology of the eye [indiscernible] not deferrable and we’re going to be ready for it. So when I talk about smart cost reductions, it’s -- we think they’re well fitted now but we also think they’re not too deep such that we can’t come back and accept demand when we see that improve.

Adrienne Yih

Analyst

And then a really quick question on Walmart, the operated stores. Are they performing in kind with your core and similar to your core?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Yes, the Walmart stores are roughly in line with the America’s Best stores in terms of comp performance.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Lasser of UBS.

Michael Lasser

Analyst

My question, so Reade, I understand that market share data is difficult to come by. You do have some publicly traded competitors that are generating positive growth. So what’s driving your belief that you’re not losing market share? And if you’re not losing market share and it’s just that core customer is deferring the purchase of a medical necessity that they’ll eventually have to make and you’re going to improve your capacity, is it reasonable for us to expect that when you get into a more normalized economic period, perhaps in 2023, that there’s going to be outsized comp gains to retrace some of what was lost this year?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

I’ll take the market share piece of that, and Patrick will tie into your second part of your question. So our cross-referencing on market share relates to talking to some of the larger vendors who deal with all aspects of the industry and sort of touching all aspects of the industry. And they have reinforced to us that we are not losing market share from talking to the large insurers and seeing where we are in terms of market share within their portfolio and also watching the trends of online, which the recent data suggests a continuation of the online consumers returning to stores post pandemic when stores reopened. So those are the three factors that give us confidence in our market share.

Patrick Moore

Analyst

I think the other thing that I would add, you have to be so careful with is good growth over what? And when did each of these competitors close, reopen, gain traction again? We found that as you look at just grow over rates this year, you’ve really got to go back a couple of years and understand what was that growing over, which also contributes to, at least neutral, maybe slightly a pause for market share. I would say on the second question that 2022 has had multiple challenges that we hope would not repeat. We’re not going to get into 2023 expectations today. We do know that this business is performing very well over the long term and can grow through challenging economic times. So I’m still focused on -- in the mode that we’re going to have, hopefully, less challenges next year, which kind of gets to how are we thinking about comps.

Reade Fahs

Analyst

And add to the first part of Patrick’s comment, I am very proud of the crisp execution we had coming out of the pandemic, amongst the first to reopen in a very safe, high protocol manner when others were not sort of opening as rapidly. Our ability to do eye exams when others were having constraints on their capacity. And so we are up against healthier numbers than many others had.

Michael Lasser

Analyst

Okay. My follow-up question is on the long-term margin outlook. Given some of the cost reductions that you’ve taken, such that you’ll be able to maintain your operating income outlook in the face of lower-than-expected sales, should we assume that your normalized margin over the long term is going to be higher than what it was previously on the same level of productivity? Or as your sales come back, some of these costs might come back as well?

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Yes. Mike, so if I think about what transpired with margins, we saw margins improve nicely in 2019. And then this current chapter took hold, which was a period of ugly margins when stores were closed, followed by exclusive margins. I think that we’re going to get -- we’re going to be north of ‘19. And not providing long-term guidance today, but I will say that as we had mentioned, there have been some large impacts to margins this year. I’m still hopeful that we’re going to see margin improvement. As I think about returning to positive comps, we’re lapping the wage investments. I think remote medicine is going to provide productivity and benefits. We’ve just secured a very critical long-term contract with a major cost of sale supplier that we discussed. And frankly, we generally eke out some lab productivity gains every year. And we’re still focused on leveraging advertising. So I think as ticket has stabilized, as we see some improvement in demand, I think that we’re going to see a reversion back to better than ‘19 volumes. And at the end of the day, we’ve taken some cost out and I expect that to play through as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dylan Carden, William Blair.

Dylan Carden

Analyst

I’m just curious, you’re speaking to, obviously, the macro headwinds. But there seem to be some sort of nuances as well as it relates to capacity constraints. I’m wondering maybe even price increases and maybe even pullback in marketing, if that’s having some impact? And sort of combined, those non-macro issues, if you could just really speak to the magnitude as you understand it, that’s sort of embedded in your current performance? And then the biology of the eye, how long do you typically see the sort of lower-income customer defer that purchase and you go back to other periods of economic uncertainties?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Dylan, I’m really pleased you asked that because describing our business at a macro national level can be confusing because, yes, there are -- demand is softening sort of nationally as the inflation is a national phenomenon. But our capacity issues are highly localized down to specific stores and markets. And so in those, there is underserved demand -- there’s unserved demand where if we have exam capacity, we would be doing better because there are customers we aren’t serving, and they’re booking out further and further in advance and it’s just harder in that way. So I think it’s really important to point out the balance between sort of trying to describe things nationally and the localized demand that we could be serving if we had more capacity as we are continuing to progress positively on a capacity front. We watch our marketing very carefully and we think we are getting that at the right level. And luckily, it’s a very sort of quantitative -- a very quantitative art there. On your second question, so we found that a consumer can put off for many months, not seeing well, it’s frustrating, but -- so he’s not being able to pay your rent. And so one can put it off. Again, what we found in the last recession was some of our lowest-income consumers did drop out and just said, "I’m going to suffer through not seeing for until I’m a little bit more flush" and that was when sort of the nicer cars in the parking lot piece started to occur. And again, we’re starting to see the beginnings of the nicer cars and especially in markets where there are more wealthy consumers around driving nicer cars.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Zack Fadem of Wells Fargo.

Zack Fadem

Analyst

So this is now the second quarter in a row that you’ve knocked down your ‘22 outlook even with some Q2 upside. So can you talk through the change in your back half assumptions? And what gives you the confidence today that you’re now in the right place? And then second, Patrick, is there any extra detail you can share on the margin cadence from Q3 to Q4? And whether you’re assuming positive operating income in Q4 despite the unearned revenue headwind?

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Sure. Let me take both of those, Reade. If you go back to May and think about our guidance, we set 2. We set an upper range, and for that upper range, we indicated that we’d be gradually improving consumer demand and significant hiring and net hiring for doctors. At the lower end, we said both of those would weaken. We did see consumer demand not improve. We actually saw it further degrade. And we did see some of our doctor hiring start dates delay a bit. We saw some increased vacation levels over what we had historically felt -- seen. And so we did come off the top end for sales and comps. The new ranges, the scenarios there are, we expect demand for the rest of the year at the top of our range to be about where it is now. We do expect to see decent doctor hirings. So we have started to see the beginnings of that with the new brass coming on board. And so that’s kind of our top of range. Bottom end of the range, it’s really less about doctors and far more about consumer demand. And that’s why we’ve been working through some nice disciplined smart cost management decisions. Second question in terms of margins, Q3 to Q4. First, I’ll talk about Q2 to Q3. So we do expect to see some deterioration in gross margin from Q2 to Q3, and that’s really a function of eyeglass margin. I mentioned earlier, we’re expecting to see a little bit of a ticket dip based on macro pressure in back-to-school. And also, when new doctors come on board, they have a little ramp. It takes a little time for them to come up to speed. And so there’s somewhat of an investment period there. We think that will -- that’s what’s probably driving the 3 to 2 and I think we have a better opportunity for margin to improve in Q4.

Zack Fadem

Analyst

Got it. And then you notched down the expected gross margin dilution from remote medicine. Should we read this as lower cost to implement? Or is this more about better uptake from consumers than expected? And then second, is there any way to quantify the productivity or throughput improvement per store for remote medicine stores versus non-remote medicine stores?

Patrick Moore

Analyst

So the less dilution is about scaling a little more rapidly than we had originally planned when we put that first dilution figure out. So that is a -- things are going well less dilution, it’s not we’re scaling that back less dilution. We have not really released productivity lifts but because we’ve -- we’re really about a year or so under our belt to see what we’re getting. There are some markets where we needed -- we really needed doctors, we were low on doctors and we put remote in there earlier in the year. And that’s provided double-digit kind of benefits in terms of productivity. Not all markets will look like that because some other markets had better levels of doctor capacity. But in the initial areas where we rolled it out, where we really needed the assistance from remote medicine capability, we did see significant impact.

Zack Fadem

Analyst

Got it. I appreciate the time, and Patrick, congrats on the new role.

Patrick Moore

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Bob Drbul of Guggenheim Partners.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

First off, congrats, Patrick, Melissa and David, on your new roles. And I wanted to dig deeper into the traffic in stores. Can you expand on that with the introduction of remote? Is there going to be any cannibalization from your own customers? Do you expect more people coming in? And my follow-up on the data analytics around remote. I’m just curious like, is there like -- are there any additional data points collected the can be, like, potentially utilized, for example, to increase the penetration of digital sales? Or any color on that?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

So just thinking about the patient journey, they get to the moment where they say, "I’m ready to act. My vision is now sufficiently bothering me that I need to book an appointment." And they are aware of our brand and our great value, and so they reach out to us. If it is -- if we don’t have a doctor available or if it’s 2 or 3 weeks to get an appointment, they might be patient and they might say, "Well, I actually wanted to do this, this week. I’ll see if I can find an exam someplace else nearby." So the loss of potential customers by not having an exam available when they want them because we are an impatient culture is what remote addresses in markets where either they have to wait a few weeks or where we don’t have a doctor in those specific minority of our markets. So that’s how the demand works. And there is a lot of data that we collect from remote that we think could be a nice factor in various evolutions of our company in the future. We have lots of data is often something that is useful in many unexpected ways. And of course, the remote exam is highly digitized.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

Got it. And a quick follow-up on optometrists in the industry. Is the lack, is it the industry-wide or you said is it like -- I’m just trying to clarify, is it like per location?

Reade Fahs

Analyst

I mean, there is a shortage of optometrists in America, an unusually high number of optometrists retired at the pandemic time. If you’re thinking of saying, "Oh, it’s going to retire in a year anyway. Maybe I’ll just throw in the towel now." I think the number is 2% to 3% of doors -- of independent doors shut during the pandemic. And frankly, I think what we’re seeing of optometrists, something we’re seeing in a lot of the workforce with an increased desire for flexibility. So people who were 5-day doctors might say, "You know what, I have decided I’d like to be a 4-day doctor." And so that’s a factor in this. The schools do not graduate any greater number of optometrists every year. So now there is a need because there aren’t as many the usual cycle of generation to retirement of new to retired has been thrown off. And there is an increased desire for flexibility in a variety of ways that we are addressing in a variety of ways. But it’s different, different than it was pre-pandemic.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s conference. I’d like to turn the call back over to Reade Fahs for any closing remarks.

Reade Fahs

Analyst

Valerie, thank you very much for your great management of the call, and we’d like to thank everyone who joined us today and all of our stakeholders for your continued support. We look forward to speaking with you again when we report our third quarter results. Thank you all very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.