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Evergy, Inc. (EVRG)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 12, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q2 2019 Evergy Inc. Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would like to turn the call over to Lori Wright, you may begin.

Lori Wright

Analyst

Thank you, Michael. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to o Evergy's second quarter call. Thank you for joining us this morning. Today's discussion will include forward-looking information. Slide 2 and the disclosure in our SEC filings containing list of some of the factors that could cause future results to differ materially from our expectations, and includes additional information on non-GAAP financial measures. We issued our second quarter 2019 earnings release and 10-Q after market close yesterday. These items are available along with today's webcast slides and supplemental financial information for the quarter on the main page of our website at evergyinc.com. On the call today, we have Terry Bassham, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tony Somma, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Other members of management are with us and will be available during the question-and-answer portion of the call. As summarized on Slide 3, Terry will recap the quarter and provide a business update. Tony will update you on the details of our latest financial results. With that, I'll hand the call to Terry.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Thanks, Lori, and good morning, everybody. I'll begin my comments on Slide 5. So, that's not, we reported second quarter GAAP earnings of $0.57 per share, compared to $0.56 per share earned in the second quarter of 2018. Adjusted earnings per share were $0.58 in second quarter of 2019, compared to adjusted $0.67 per share in the same period a year ago. On a period-over-period basis, these results were driven by a large unfavorable weather swing offset by cost reduction efforts, rate case outcomes and changes in shares outstanding. Year-to-date, GAAP earnings per share were $0.96 compared to a $1 in the same period last year. Adjusted EPS were $1 this year, compared to $1.0 a year ago, largely driven by the same items I just mentioned. I'm pleased with how our team is executed our plan and the corresponding results delivered midway through this year. This has allowed us to stay on pace with our plan and reaffirm our 2019 adjusted EPS guidance of $2.80 to $3. In June, we celebrated the inaugural year of Evergy. This provided a natural time for us to reflect on a couple of our core objectives, merger savings and returning capital to our shareholders. First, on merger savings, during integration planning, we identified cumulative net savings of more than $550 million through 2023. We're on target for our 2019 year in goal of $110 million in annual net merger savings. We are making the most of our increased scale and buying power as a larger company. We become more efficient by leveraging both companies' operating experiences and implementing best-in-class techniques. We continue to deliver on our commitment of no involuntary layoffs as a result with merger and instead capitalizing on costs reductions through attrition as well to retire or leave the company. To…

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Thanks, Terry, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with the results on Slide 9 of the presentation. Last night, we reported second quarter 2019 GAAP earnings of $140 million or $0.57 per share, compared to $102 million or $0.56 per share in Q2 of 2018. The increase in earnings is primarily due to the inclusion of KCP&L's and GMOs results for second quarter in 2019 compared to only a partial period of Evergy's second quarter 2018 results, due to the early June closing of the merger last year. Adjusted non-GAAP earnings were $140 million or $0.58 per share, compared to $179 million or $0.67 per share in the same period a year ago. As detailed on the slide, adjusted EPS was driven primarily by less favorable weather and higher depreciation expense, partially offset by the impact of new retail rates, lower O&M and accretion from fewer shares outstanding. Gross margins were down $75 million due primarily to lower sales, because of cooler weather offset by new retail rates, net of the 2018 provision for rate refund reflecting the lower corporate tax rate. O&M, net of merger related costs was a healthy $52 million lower, driven by cost reduction efforts across our utilities while depreciation expense was $23 million higher, primarily from new depreciation rates that are reflected in our retail prices and higher plant balances. For the quarter, pro forma residential commercial sales were down 21% and 7% respectively, reflecting a cooler and weather spring. During the second quarter of last year, we experienced significantly favorable weather and this quarter was cooler than normal, which costs us a whopping $0.25 when compared to last year and about $0.04 when compared to normal. Pro forma industrial sales were up just under 1% compared to the same period last year. Now on…

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

All right. And I think we're ready for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Greg Gordon of Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Greg Gordon

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Thanks, good morning.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Good morning, Greg.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Good morning, Greg.

Greg Gordon

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

So, it looks like the business plan you've laid out on the Q4 call with regard to how you achieve your earnings growth aspirations as well providing the benefits of the merger to your customer. It seems like it's -- it's on pretty much on track, but can you talk a little bit more about on the margin, why you're making the small allocation shift from Kansas to Missouri in terms of the capital allocation?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Yes, Greg, it's, -- it's part of an ongoing process for us to continue to look at jurisdictions where opportunities exist, that may be done in the others and look for additional opportunities and the latter years is our five-year plan we've talked about that we continue to work on. In particular, Missouri has a piece of opportunity, where we can invest additional dollars without creating additional lag during this period without rate cases, a mechanism that Kansas doesn't have. So, it's an obvious first step in that process and we're going to continue to look for additional opportunities both from that perspective and from just a long-term growth.

Greg Gordon

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Right.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

That makes sense?

Greg Gordon

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

In terms of the synergy uptake, I mean you said that you're on track to hit your numbers, but can you talk about -- you talked about some pretty robust statistics vis-a-vis head count just from normal attrition?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Yes.

Greg Gordon

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

As you look, as you look at the overall opportunity for cost optimization, which obviously flows one way or another to customers through lower rates over time. Do you see the synergy targets sort of being the end of the line? Or do you see an opportunity over the long-term to continue to optimize the cost structure of the business perhaps when the rate moratorium period ends by deploying capital into lower cost generation resources like winds and solar and moving to a greener portfolio that and this kind age is actually has or better or more economic than some of the preexisting infrastructure that you may have when you look out five years?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Yes, let me hit a couple of those points. The first is, we feel really good and maybe one of the benefits of spending a two year period on the approval processes is that we feel really good about our execution on the synergy savings. And I think, as we've reflected in the results, the first half of the year, not only we're executing as expected, but we're finding some additional ones. Again some scale opportunities as we do some synergy work and expansion on our RFP processes that we have been very happy with. So, we've seen some flexibility there on the upside, just from a synergy side and will continue to work on that. Long-term no, we don't expect that to stop. We would expect to continue to find opportunities that we were either hopeful or our plan to evaluate, but didn't have a number attached to, and I will also complement our teams throughout the company for working together hard to find those very things that may be from scale, maybe just finding the right way to do something between the two companies and that route way may be neither way we did it before in those companies, but drives efficiency both in headcount, an opportunity. I mentioned I think in my comments that we've got a new customer information system we're working on. We expect that to drive additional efficiencies over time. And then finally, to your point on future opportunities, yes, we continue to see our -- as Tony mentioned, our geographic location through Western Kansas as a strategic advantage to us, as we all try to look to be more green and satisfy our customer desire for more green results, which are also very cost efficient at this point.

Greg Gordon

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Thanks. Congratulations on a great first half.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ali Agha of SunTrust. Your line is open.

Ali Agha

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thank you. Good morning.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Good morning.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Good morning.

Ali Agha

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Good morning. My first question, Terry in your comments, you alluded to the fact that you're also looking at in your planning process, opportunities for incremental capex. Can you give us some rough sense of on a cumulative basis, how much that could be and when would you plan to update us on that?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Well, probably the most appropriate thing to say at this point, because we haven't finished our work, as if you just calculate a cap on what piece that would allow. It could be just shy of $1 billion. Again, before we come out with a plan related to that, we want to talk about timing, and process, and projects and be very definitive. We've said before that, that would be our plan all along. So, yes, you could see a number up to that amount, that would make sense and still fit within the piece of and other requirements under Missouri. We would expect over the course, probably the next six months to be able to talk about what our later year plans would be and our overall piece of plans would be.

Ali Agha

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Okay. And then secondly, once all of these studies are done in Kansas, even the Phase 2, one is done. Any sense on where the legislature wants to go with that or would that be the end of it and so on? What are you hearing or what are -- what's your read there?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Well, I think -- I think an independent review. And again, we've said the data speaks for itself and I think both the Commission staff and we providing our initial reports that were very similar reflected, that we would see confirmation from an end of in that party that shows kind of where we stand and an explanation of how we got here. So, first of all, the reflection of where we sit from a competitive spent, standpoint is reflective of a lot of spin that both companies had to make over a 10-year period. But the merger provides exactly the strategy to attack that issue over the next four or five years as we don't have to increase rates, and in fact will lower our costs. And so as we get that end then I think the second phase is targeted at the other things that are happening in our industry. Like an electric vehicle charging and other things like that, that we welcome an opportunity to have this conversation. So, I think it's a good educational process. I think Kansas independent party or work to provide the legislature with a view of not only their commissioners, but their utility and consultant that will allow us to have a good conversation around what would be the kinds of policy issues in Kansas, we look forward to addressing.

Ali Agha

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

One last question, can you remind us how much COLI income if any have you booked in the first half and conceptually, would you consider excluding COLI earnings from your adjusted numbers going forward?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Good morning, Ali, this is Tony. I believe the COLI numbers for the quarter were about $2.5 million and year-to-date were around $9 million. Now, as far as the, the second part of your question, what we issue are our drivers, earnings drivers, we will list out separately what kind of the assumptions are for COLI and we'll leave it up to the investment community, whether or not they want to keep the numbers in our keep or -- take them out. And as we said all along, these are just timing differences.

Ali Agha

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thank you.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

You're welcome.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Lapides of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thanks for taking my question. I actually have a couple here. First of all, when thinking about O&M savings from the merger and I'm kind of looking back at Slide 19. Are you saying that you think you could get upside as soon as may be next year, meaning upside to the $145 million target? Or is it more upside that comes in the back end of the plan meeting upside of the $160 million run rate and kind of the out-year of 2022?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Michael, this is Tony. Well this is -- this is something that we are continually reviewing and looking at. Now specifically to your question, the answer is possibly, yes on both, right, because we're trying to look at ways to get better, ways to be more efficient. Terry mentioned the billing system in the back office system, in accounting, we're also looking at RPA and big data. We use big data, it helps us on turbine vibration, on substations etc. So, we're obviously trying to beat those numbers that we have laid out on the page.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it. Thanks, Tony. And then in Missouri when I think about your EPS guidance growth rate, the multi-year, what are you assuming in the next couple of years you do in terms of piece of filings, meaning, I'm trying to think about how much capital you're likely to invest in Missouri, if I look at your CapEx Slide on Page 18 or the segment-by-segment capex, I think you guys given the 10-K. How should we think about how much of that CapEx is actually PISA [ph] eligible and what's in the EPS growth rate in terms of how much kind of the revenue increases or the deferrals tied to PISA [ph]?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

So, the Missouri CapEx and I'll just -- I'm looking at Slide 18 as well. Michael, it's probably 75% would be eligible for the PISA election and that would be our intention obviously. And to the extent that is deferring some regulatory drag, that is built into our assumptions in our -- our drivers in the out years that's hitting our EPS CAGR.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it. And am I remembering how the rule works rather low works that you defer the DNA, but you continue to book the AFUDC?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

So you get to differ. I think 85% of the depreciation and the interest expense. If I remember right. If that answers your question?

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes. Okay, thank you. And -- Oh, I'm sorry. Hey, Tony, how do you treat the equity component of AFUDC? Do you stop booking once in service?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

So, the equity component will get brought into earnings at the time of your next rate case over a 20-year period.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it, okay. Thank you. Much appreciate it, guys.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Good morning. I just wanted to follow-up quickly up on the last set of questions here on PISA eligibility and just had a line up against your staff. Can you remind us a little bit more with respect to how you think about how soon you could start deploying capital given the fact that as you say, it's only 85% deferral of depreciation and interest expense? Maybe the extent to which that affords an opportunity, how early could you start spending given the fact that you stay out is through 2022?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Well, we're spending today.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Well, sorry. Yes. The incrementally rather is the way I should clarify.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Well, as Terry said, we're going through the process and over the next six months, we'll be able to update folks on where we stand and where we end up on that process.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Yes. Remember that we've elected, so, we're in and so as Tony said, we could be spending today on things that qualified. But in terms of reallocating, we're working on our long-term plan and our plan for next year in particular and so we could have been making changes along that line.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Got it. But to clarify, with the fact that you have a stay out impede your ability to accelerate through this mechanism. I mean to a certain extent but...

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

No. Remember -- yes remember, technically we don't have a stay out in Missouri. Remember that the way Missouri worked in Kansas we're different. And so, we expect to stay out given our earnings and savings projections, but the way the piece of works, we're not affected by that, are actually driver for the next rate case in Missouri would be fuel any kind of right after that PISA true up. So, it's a little different in Missouri and no, none of that would keep us from moving forward with PISA investment greater than we've talked about. already.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Got it. Okay, thank you for that. And then, if I can hear back to another question that was asked, just to clarify a little bit further here just even on the first part of the study. I mean, when you say effectiveness of Kansas rate making practices, can you clarify a little bit more what exact -- what parts of rate making practices would be deemed to be evaluated for quote, unquote effectiveness. Just trying to understand with the scope of this effort more than anything else. I think, Ali might have been asking something similar, but if you could elaborate?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Well, I think you probably have as much specificity as they exist. I think there is some concern by some parties that our rates are -- have risen faster than the national average. And even though, they're at the national average, or higher than they would like. And as a result, when you look at things effectiveness, what they're really looking at is what cause them to be that. And so being able to explain, how we got there and where are we at is what our studies did. And what I think the first step in the independent study will do, and into second half will be higher effective other things and that could range to should we have more EV charging throughout the state. And if so, how should that be done and provided for. We've not done a lot of electric vehicle charging stations in Kansas because of kind of our processes there. So, it could range -- I think originally to focus is cost, which again I think we've talked about how the merger helps address that. And secondly, there could be other particular folks interested in particular policies, that have or have not been adopted in Kansas, in the past. That's probably about as much as we've got now in terms of where that could hit.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

That's fair enough, I'll leave it there. Thank you all, very much, and good luck.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Thank you.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Charles Fishman of Morningstar Research. Your line is open.

Charles Fishman

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Thank you. Terry, this ES -- combined ESG disclosure before EEI. Do you envision that as something based on what I've seen other utilities do either through the ESG of course, IRPs? Do you see that as possibly an opening for some accelerated coal plant retirements? And would that provide you another step towards further saving O&M savings beyond just the merger savings you've outlined and looks like you're going to hit?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Well, our ESG filing first of all, should reflect, again the format and template the EEI has work together, so that investors can kind of see a similar accounting if you will and a similar positioning of those efforts. And it will reflect our current retirements and our current wind activities, which show that over -- up to an over 50% of our energy comes from nuclear and wind, totaling over 50% of our total kilowatt-hour sales or energy. And that's a very positive message. As far as moving forward, we're now at a position where we've got our larger more efficient units and capacity, obviously becomes an issue and we want to be sure we're cautious about those kind of things. But it would help inform investors and help inform our commission, so that those kind of conversations can continue going forward. But we always have to remember to provide capacity to our customers is an important part of the remainder of our portfolio.

Charles Fishman

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Well, I realize your renewable percentage over on the Kansas side is very high and I guess what I was anticipating is maybe you would use this as an opportunity to maybe push that on the Missouri jurisdiction?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Yes. Remember...

Charles Fishman

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Is that a possibility?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Well, remember, although located in Western Kansas, we jurisdictionally allocate all our generation based on usage customers, those kind of metrics. So from our percentage perspective, they're basically the same. There are some unique assets, but they are pretty small and our wind in particular is allocated over the jurisdiction. So, it's very similar actually.

Charles Fishman

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Okay. And that's the way the ESG of the presentation will be done. We're consolidating both jurisdictions?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Yes.

Charles Fishman

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

Okay. Got it, thank you. That's all, I have.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Morningstar Research. Your line is open

You bet you. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Patterson of Glenrock Associates. Your line is open.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Hey, good morning. So, I'm afraid I am going to have to ask -- okay, I've got this CapEx and I apologize for being a little confused here. When you're talking about the incremental opportunity or you talking about the incremental opportunity, in total CapEx spending or in terms of shifting CapEx from Kansas into Missouri into the PISA kind of thing. If you could just -- I apologize, if you could just elab -- just clarify that a little bit for me?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Yes, that's okay. It's both. So first, the $150 million we mentioned specifically is a reallocation. And so, it would not change our total $6 billion estimate that we provided. So that's number one. Number two, what we've talked about is that we're working on future plans that we'll be talking about later in the year or early next year around what our additional spend might be. And so that's not included in the current plans and we've not given specific guidance of any sort as to what that amounts -- amount not be. So that's the difference. The $150 million does not relate to an increase in total spend. We have future expectations of providing guidance that would discuss any additional spend later in the year, early next year.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Okay, great. And then you mentioned sort of the education process for lack of better term in Kansas with respect to how rate making sort of works if you follow me or how utility investment and what have you does. I'm just wondering, when we look at the PISA and obviously that's an opportunity and what have you or how confident are you that the policymakers actually sort of understand what the -- that as investment actually will costs? In other words, is there any concern that you might see situation which sort of has developed in Kansas, whether it's sort of a question mark how do we get here, maybe replicating itself potentially in a jurisdiction like Missouri. I just asked that because legislators don't often this is really the details of -- this is really what they're proving and we do have a useful mechanism here. But I was just sort of wondering, if there is any, anything that you guys are looking at going forward in terms of maybe a similar situation or the avoidance of a similar situation that is occurring in Kansas happening in Missouri. Do you follow me?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

I do. What I would say is -- the common sense and I don't -- to say it, but in every state, every legislature, they have their focus based on what's happening in that jurisdiction. And clearly, Missouri has been focused on infrastructure spend, and jobs, and the opportunity to improve our infrastructure and that was the basis for PISA, it was a basis for other things across the state as well. But in particular with our electric utilities, it was a focus on spending for infrastructure improvement. Kansas has been stayed more focused in this last discussion and it's a pretty recent discussion. We have not had this discussion in this session before on the level of -- our level of rates. And so, they come from a different position I would say, and that's why we believe using and accessing the PISA opportunity which the state of Missouri clearly would like us to do to spend more on infrastructure in Missouri is an opportunity to reallocate dollars, because in Kansas, they're more concerned in holding total cost down. So it serves both purposes from that perspective. Could the discussion in either state begin to happen in the other state? Sure, but that's not the focus of the states at this point and we're confident in our ability to discuss each in the relative jurisdiction.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Awesome.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Okay, great answer. And then the other thing just a sort of quick sort of housekeeping question. I was looking through the 10-Q and everything, I just had a little difficulty finding this, what's the organics weather adjusted sales growth numbers that you've had for the first half. Organic, in other words, obviously the mergers changed a few things, do you follow what I'm saying in the respective jurisdictions, how should we think about what weather adjusted sales growth has been year-to-date?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Paul, good morning. What we've said is, we are targeting total sales growth roughly flat to 50 basis points.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Right.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

And that has occurred.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

And how has it been for the first half? How does that come in? How is the -- how the actual has been weather adjusted?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

It's been largely in line with our expectations. Things are growing with gangbusters, but we're not seeing any contraction as well.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Okay, that's it from me. Thanks, so much.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Glenrock Associates. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gregg Orrill of UBS. Your line is open.

Gregg Orrill

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Just a follow-up on the PISA spending. Do you have any plans at this point, how it might impact your growth -- EPS growth guidance?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Well, obviously we -- our plan would be that it would improve it to the extent that we did that, but we don't have a range yet, because we haven't finished our work on the total dollar amounts. But certainly, that would give us some opportunity for additional growth in spend and EPS that we currently don't have in the plan.

Gregg Orrill

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [indiscernible]. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Just back on the PISA CapEx. Again is the incremental opportunity, the total $1 billion or is it the $1 billion, less the $150 million that you've already reallocated?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

The $1 billion is really a total number. So it's, -- it includes that $150 million reallocation and that's the way it worked.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And if you ultimately sought to do the incremental $850 million, would you need any additional equity financing for it?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

That's not currently the plan.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Currently in the plan, we have to look at the financial projections in the model and see what our credit metrics look like.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And if the legislation is written to allow you to do the incremental $850 million, what is that would keep you from going up to the cap?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Just overall, ability to get it done, you got to have projects. But we believe we have that ability and obviously we're impacting customers rates. So, we'd be watching how that affected as well. But other than, good business judgment around those two things, nothing, that's really what the caps therefore.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And just to confirm the current CapEx plan as it is right now through the forecast period put you at the midpoint of the earnings guidance range?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

We haven't said where the CapEx plan places within the guidance range.

Ali Agha

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Okay.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

You're talking to...

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Exactly.

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Long-term or both?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. All right. Listen, thank you, very much.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

Yes, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Michael Lapides. Lapides with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

That's hilarious. Hey guys, easy question for your Tony. How over the $110 million in merger synergies for 2019, how much have you realized year-to-date? What's an O&M and G&A year-to-date?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Well, I know -- I know, a year-over-year variances like year-to-date were $84 million better than we were last year and $52 million for the quarter. We are ahead of our targets for the synergies. I just don't know the exact number. So, it was an easy question, but I struck out.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes, I'd say obviously, the total number is not ratable. So, but I would say that at midpoint given all we know, we're -- as Tony said ahead of plan.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it. Okay, guys. Thank you. I'll follow-up offline.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Levi of ExodusPoint. Your line is open.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Hey guys. How are you?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Good. Yourself?

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

I'm doing really well. Just some follow-up questions, just on the $850 million of incremental capex. When would that spend begin to happen? Is that the next year, '21, '22?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Again, we don't have a plan for that yet. There is nothing to prohibit us from beginning construction and spend as the projects are available and we could start those as appropriate. So, obviously, we would map out the plan around our annual plans and budgets and what kind of projects and how long they took to execute on. So, but there is no time limitation on how quickly we could get started, if we had those plans in place.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

And I'm sorry, maybe I missed it earlier that $850 million, would be spent over what time frame, like how many years?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

We don't really have a timeline except far, there is a true-up of PISA that it's a 4-year -- 4-year true-up -- fourth year true-up. So we're talking about a context of over a time period, but when and how it would be spent again, we haven't developed or published.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Some may be parameters handy would be all else being equal. We will be filing a rate case in Missouri for new rates effective the first part of 2023. So you back up from that, we've filed and call it early '22 and you would update a test year kind of the June time frame of 2022. So that would kind of be ideal, but it doesn't mean we would stop necessarily. It depends on the projects and it depends on the runway and lead time and all that. But those are just some things you should consider.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Or is there another parameter were kind of your maximum spend on a year-based on how the PISA is written?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

So, I believe, it's a 3% CAGR.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

So what would that be CapEx wise you think?

Anthony Somma

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Well, it's the $1 billion number that we've thrown out. We gave you the total number.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

I'm saying on an annual basis?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Yes. It depends on the projects, it depends on the amount, but there is a -- there is a 3% cap.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Okay. And then, just a last question; if you were to start spending next year as a follow-up of somebody else's question. Let's just assume, you start spending next year and '21 and then you've bought back 36 million shares that you have this accelerated purchase of another $500 million and I guess to the current like $46 million [indiscernible] but it's sort of I guess issue of equity, you could just buyback our shares and that kind of would -- that make more sense versus buying back shares and that issuing shares if you needed to assuming you need to?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

So those are the other things that we obviously looking at Andy, right. As we're going through the planning horizon, we work with the operations in the financial modeling team.

Ali Agha

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Okay. And I assume we'll get an updated EEI kind of the way we think about it?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

We'll obviously, will update you EEI what we have and obviously we'll be working on plans for 2021 around that time. But we traditionally would give earnings guidance in those kind of things at the first of the year.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Okay. And then the last thing is just kind of based on what you have said before, you I guess politically you feel much more comfortable about raising capex. Obviously, you have a more cost savings to maybe that helps as far as customer bills. I guess you feel better politically about kind of what's going on to be able to do that. Is that correct?

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Yes. Again in Missouri, they specifically put this mechanism in place to encourages if you will allow us to spend additional and feel comfortable with our ability to recover. Same mechanism is not in place in Kansas and in fact the discussions are on the current level of rate and concerns around those. So, those are two different places with two different focuses as we speak.

Andrew Levi

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

Perfect. Thank you, guys, very much.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · ExodusPoint. Your line is open

You bet. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Terry Bassham for any closing remarks.

Terry Bassham

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open

All right. Thank you very much. Thank you for joining us. And, hope everybody has a good rest of the summer. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.