Good morning, and thank you, for standing by. Welcome to Evercore's Second Quarter 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. During today's call, all parties will be in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference call will be opened for questions. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference call is being recorded today, Wednesday, July 28, 2021. I would now like to turn the conference call over to your host, Evercore's Head of Investor Relations, Hallie Miller. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Mary. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for Evercore's second quarter 2021 financial results conference call. I'm Hallie Miller, Evercore's Head of Investor Relations. Joining me on the call today are John Weinberg and Ralph Schlosstein, our Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs; and Bob Walsh, our CFO. Celeste Mellet, who joined Evercore earlier this month and will be taking over as CFO on September 1, is also with us this morning. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing Evercore's second quarter 2021 financial results. A discussion of our results today is complementary to the press release, which is available on our website at evercore.com. This conference call is being webcast live in the For Investors section of our website, and an archive of it will be available for 30 days, beginning approximately one hour after the conclusion of this call. During the course of this conference call, we may make a number of forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statements that we make are subject to various risks and uncertainties and there are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in these statements. These factors include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Evercore's filings with the SEC, including our Annual Report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and current reports on Form 8-K. I want to remind you that the company assumes no duty to update any forward-looking statements. In our presentation today, unless otherwise indicated, we will be discussing adjusted financial measures, which are non-GAAP measures that we believe are meaningful when evaluating the company's performance. For detailed disclosures on these measures and the GAAP reconciliations, you should refer to the financial data contained within our press release, which is posted on our website. We continue to believe that it is important to evaluate Evercore's performance on an annual basis. As we have noted previously, our results for any particular quarter are influenced by the timing of transaction closings. I’ll now turn the call over to Ralph.

Thank you very much Hallie, and good morning to everyone. We began our last earnings call commenting on what a difference a year had made and as we sit here today, not only are things dramatically different from a year ago, but things are also somewhat better than even three months ago. Over the past three months, we have witnessed a material improvement in the global economy, in global markets and in Evercore's business. The rollout of COVID-19 vaccines accelerated in the U.S. and in many countries around the world during the quarter and we experienced a decline in new daily cases in the areas where vaccination rates are high. We are grateful for the progress being made against the pandemic, but we also are cognizant that there are many around the world who have not been as fortunate today and are in the earlier stages of overcoming this pandemic. And while we are encouraged by the progress being made overall, we continue to monitor the new COVID variants, the ongoing vaccine rollout in the U.S. and other parts of the world and the data on infection rates which unfortunately seems to be rising right now, particularly in areas with lower vaccination rates. We have delivered strongly for our clients over the past 17 months, advising them on their most important strategic financial and capital requirements during one of the most uncertain and volatile periods of our lifetimes. And we produced extraordinary financial results for our shareholders. And while we achieved a lot while operating as a predominantly remote firm, we are genuinely energized by the reopening of our offices that began toward the end of the second quarter. Many of us are using the summer months to come into the office, so I'm pleased to be here at our…

Thank you, Ralph. Our second quarter and first half results reflect the breadth and diversity of our capabilities supported by positive macroeconomic environment for strategic merger activity, capital raising, and investing. Both strategic and financial sponsors have been driven to transact as they are focused on growth opportunities, technological disruption and the role of ESG. And with the key ingredients for M&A strengthening, the volume number and size of announced transactions increased during the quarter. In this robust environment, our teams have been busy working on a variety of assignments globally for our clients. We sustained our #1 league table ranking in dollar volume of announced M&A transactions in the U.S. among independent firms for the 12-month period ending June 30. Our high level of activity is translating to our financial results. We achieved a third straight quarter of advisory revenues greater than $500 million and as Ralph mentioned we surpassed $1 billion in the first half advisory revenues for the first time with strong contribution across capabilities globally, including M&A, Capital Advisory and Strategic Defense & Shareholder Advisory. We have prominent roles on some of the biggest announcements of the year including serving as the lead advisor to Grab, on its $40 billion SPAC merger, the largest SPAC merger in history and serving as a sole advisor to Nuance on its pending $19.7 billion dollar sale to Microsoft. And worked on a greater number of assignments and grew our average fee size in the first half compared to the first half of last year. Our industry leading Strategic Defense and Shareholder Advisory team continues to be extremely busy and is currently advising companies representing $1.5 trillion in market value in activist defense. This is an important capability for us, because many of our defense clients subsequently turn to us…

Thank you, John. And as always, let's begin with our GAAP results. For the second quarter of 2021, net revenues, net income and earnings per share on a GAAP basis were $688 million, $140 million and $3.21 respectively. Year-to-date, net revenues, net income and earnings per share on a GAAP basis were $1.35 billion, $285 million and $6.46 respectively. During the quarter, G5 Holdings, our former affiliate in Brazil, repaid their outstanding note to us for approximately $12 million U.S., enabling us to financially exit our relationship there. The settlement resulted in a gain of $4.4 million, which we have excluded from our second quarter 2021 adjusted net revenues. Our GAAP tax rate for the second quarter was 22.1% compared to 24.5% in the prior year period. Year-to-date, our GAAP tax rate is 19.2% compared to 25% in the prior year period. On a GAAP basis, the share count was $43.7 million for the quarter and $44.1 million for the first half. Our share count for adjusted earnings per share was $48.5 million for the quarter and $49 million for the first half. Focusing on non-compensation costs, we continued to generate significant operating leverage, in part due to lower non-compensation expense. Firm wide non-compensation costs per employee were approximately $39,000 for the second quarter, down 8% on a year-over-year basis. This level of non-compensation costs per employee contrasts to our three-year quarterly average, measured from 2017 to 2019 of approximately $47,000 per employee. Not surprisingly, the decrease in costs per employee versus last year primarily reflects lower travel expense. As we look ahead, we expect expenses on a per head basis to begin to increase as we continue to evolve towards more normal operations, including returning to our offices, traveling to engage in-person dialogue and meetings with our clients, and…

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Devin Ryan with JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Great, thanks so much. Good morning, Ralph, John and Bob. First off, I just want to say Bob, it's been an absolute pleasure. Best wishes and just [indiscernible] you're one of the best, so Best wishes in the future here. May be just to start for everyone, as you think about the addressable market overall, Evercore hasn't been historically thought of as a middle market focused firm, though you're clearly -- Evercore is active in the middle markets. And so I'm just curious as you expand your sponsor connectivity, and think about Whitespace, how much more is there to do in the middle markets and how much more of an opportunity maybe is that relative to what you guys have been doing there?

A lot, is the answer. Yes, I think that we, the middle market is a huge market, as you know. And we believe that there is a great deal of room for us to continue to focus, both in terms of covering emerging middle market companies that are growing and in important spaces that we cover, as well as talking to sponsors who have portfolio companies in the middle market and to buy and sell for them. And so, as we look at that opportunity, we think it is almost limitless and the only thing limiting us is the bandwidth of our talented bankers who are all at this point quite busy. But we think there's a lot of open ground for us and a lot of whitespace to cover there.

And Devin, the vast majority of M&A transactions are billion dollars and below and we're no different from any other firm in that regard. Historically, our median transaction size has been in the $600 million to $700 million. I don't know what it's been the last 12 months, but I'm virtually certain it's in that zip code. And so we've been very active there, but as you point out, it's a vast market and so there's certainly lots of opportunity there for us to grow.

Okay, great, thank you. Just a follow up here on some of the commentary on recruiting and competition and compensation, I appreciate that you're having an active recruiting year and so it sounds like there's still quite a bit of momentum and conversations, but just curious, whether like, I guess the competition and maybe increased compensation that you're seeing in the market, is that just kind of where we are in the cycle? We've seen this before or is there anything more structural that you think maybe pushing that higher and so therefore, some of this may stick more than historically does when you get into the hot market unless things cool off, and then you see a reversion there? I'm just curious how you guys are thinking about and seeing in the market right now?

I think it's cyclical, but sort of cyclical, a little bit enhanced by what's happened in the last 18 months. So if you think about the last 18 months, COVID hit, everybody went from focusing on completing their backlog to helping clients with liquidity, raising capital, and focused on their own liquidity. And so my guess would be certainly true here at Evercore, if you look at the amount of lateral hiring that was done in the first nine months of 2020, and probably all of 2020, in firms generally, it was below what it had been in probably many prior years. So, you have this phenomenon where the -- there was relatively low incremental hiring in most of 2020 and then the market came roaring back. So, that's the enhancement and I think there, we're working through. The level of activity is very high. Everybody is short staffed. Every firm that's doing well is extremely short staffed and so that creates, I think, a little bit more comp pressure than you might have in a normal up-cycle.

I completely agree with that. And I also think that the fact that there are so many deals out there, and so much activity that has built and is building right now, just puts tremendous pressure. And all of the firms, including us are looking at our people and number one defending the high quality people we have. But on the other hand, we are looking out and seeing if there are some special people on the market. In terms of the comp expense, it's -- I think it's going to be like it's been in the past, which is we're going to have a very strong period where there's the activities very high, and then there will become a period where activity level gets lower and we cycle down. And when you cycle down, what happens is, earnings get compromised at some of the firms and then the firms need to actually find some margin in their comp cycle and that's how it cycles back down. And I don't think that this is going to be totally a secular change. I think it will continue to be sensitive to the merger cycle.

But Devin, we see absolutely no evidence of cycling path at this point. Right?

Yes, understood, yes. I appreciate the color there and looking for that detail, so thanks so much. I'll hop back into queue.

All right.

Our next question is from the line of Jeff Harte with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on yet another strong quarter. You talked about absolutely no evidence of things cycling down and strong backlogs. Admittedly, backlogs are limited, but how does the backlog look sequentially versus last quarter, after a quarter where a lot of stuff closed, is it kind of still moving in the right direction or treading water?

It continues to be strong and we -- the activity level is as it has been, very robust. We think that it's -- there's no reason to believe that things are going to weaken at all. We just feel like the backlogs are continuing to be at a very strong and robust level.

Okay, and as we think about productivity, I mean we're kind of used to focusing our revenues per SMD, but as the kind of support structure grows, how much more important does revenue for employee become, I guess that would make less important revenue per SMD as kind of the franchise expands, and you kind of build out some of the sub sectors?

Jeff, we watch both carefully, as you point out and dialogue with investors, revenue per SMD tends to get more attention. But sort of linking back to your comment on comp, revenue per employee is equally as important. It is reflective of the product, that statistic is reflective of the productivity that we're seeing for SMDs.

Okay, Bob. I know you're going to miss me asking this every quarter, but were there any revenue pull forwards from 3Q into 2Q?

Yes. Did you have another number?

I would.

You wanted the number too Jeff, $56 million.

Okay, thanks. And finally, just a cleanup from me, I missed the stated non-comp per employee, can you either repeat that or maybe give us the employee number?

The employee number is a little dirty, meaning always at the end of the second quarter, it's 1900, but at the end of the second quarter, you have sort of analysts cycling out, analysts cycling in, et cetera. So at 1900, that's the number gap, but it's honestly, don't think of that step up of 100 as a run rate or a trend. For the quarter non-comp per employee was 39,000.

Okay, thank you.

Our next question is from the line of Jim Mitchell with Seaport Research. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning. Maybe, Ralph, you've noted at the beginning of your comments that you feel like we're in the early stages of the next M&A cycle. But at the same time we’ve had this three quarters in a row of record levels so unusual for a cycle to start off so strong. So how do we think about that start to a cycle? How do you feel confident about the growth continuing? And I guess where do you see that growth coming from current levels?

Well, I think there are two things you have to focus on when you're looking at the prospects for Evercore's growth. One is, was which was the focus of your question, which is the aggregate level of activity is high, no question about it. And, if you look back historically, M&A is a cyclical business. It tends to be characterized by five to eight year up-cycles and two to three-year down cycles. In those five to eight year up-cycles, it's not an absolute straight line. Things bounce up and down. But they are generally strong or strengthening M&A activity. M&A activity is clearly strong right now. A couple, two or three quarters ago, I commented that the down cycle that we had may have been just six months, six to nine months because of the unprecedented amount of monetary and fiscal stimulus. So we're clearly in a period of strong activity and recovery. And as John commented in his answer to one of the questions, at some point we know that period of strong activity and growth in the market will abate [ph]. But as I commented, you can come up with lots of things that could cause that to happen, but there's absolutely no evidence of that today. And, as a result, I also said that this high level of activity is adding yet again to our already strong backlogs. The second thing though, that affects Evercore’s growth rate is our market share and the entire period from 2009 to 2021 on a trailing 12-month basis, almost every quarter, Evercore has gained market share in terms of advisory revenues. And quite honestly, we don't see that abating [ph] regardless of what happens to the overall level of activity. Harder to gain market share when you're the size that we are now, but we still continue to do that.

Well, that's all fair and so I agree. M&A tends to build throughout a cycle not peak at the beginning, so it's why it's so unusual. But maybe just last from me on non-U.S. seems to have lagged, non-U.S. activity, whether it's Europe to the rest of the world. Is that a source of sort of catch up over the next year or two in your view?

Well, we don't know. I mean, if you go back 10, 15 years ago, North America was a smaller proportion of global M&A activity than it has been for the last few years. If that keeps happening, maybe there is a fundamental difference in the level of activity in North America versus the rest of the world compared to history. It's certainly seen -- if you look at the last few years, it would certainly suggest that.

The only thing I would add is that, clearly the U.S. market and maybe to an extent China have led the way in terms of economic recovery. U.S. obviously has had a robust recovery and continuing. And clearly, the European markets have been slower, because COVID has held on longer there even though COVID is reemerging everywhere at this point. But we fully expect that there will be recovery in Europe as those economies begin to get going again we fully expect that they will. And so, we think that there will be a strengthening over in Europe and I think that the U.S. will continue as long as the economy does not dissipate and that there continues to be strength. So it's in many respects it's that the markets -- is the pace of market recovery market-by-market.

Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Our next question is from the line of Richard Ramsden with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, guys. So I had a couple of questions. The first is on the financial sponsor side, I think activities are up something like 25% quarter-on-quarter, and it does seem to be outpacing the increase in strategic M&A pretty significantly. Can you talk a little bit about the dialogue with financial sponsors and specifically talk about the pipeline for your financial sponsor business heading into the second half and whether or not you think this type of activity can be sustained?

Sure, thanks Richard. Our competitive, our sponsor business is quite robust right now. We are participating both on the buy side and the sell side, and have been very, very involved with some of the strategic portfolio management of sponsors. We are seeing that activity growing dramatically, and frankly, one of the things that we are focused on, I think you heard in our discussion on recruiting, is to add capability and people into our coverage of sponsors and that continues to grow. As you know, we have a very robust and broad sponsor coverage business. We get involved both on the limited partner basis in terms of thinking about how to help sell and do their interests, and also, we also get involved in thinking through for GPs, things like how to drive continuity funds, and also how to help them to think about, if they ever sell a partial interest. So we have a very, very broad coverage of sponsors. On the pure banking side, our activity level with sponsors just continues to grow. Therein lies why we're adding some people, because we really need to continue to be able to service those big sponsors, as well as middle market sponsors, and the activity levels. Our industry groups continue to cover the sectors extremely well, and therefore our ability to get business from those sponsors in the places where they have portfolio companies or an interest to acquire those companies, has been quite successful. So I think, in general, we're sharing in the increase in the activity levels of sponsors, and we plan to continue to be able to service that very, very important sector.

Okay, that's helpful. And then secondly, on the strategic M&A side, President Biden recently signed an executive order, where I think he references excessive market concentration in some industries and he talks about promoting more competition. I know it's very early, but can you talk a little bit about the impact you think this could have, especially on larger U.S. transactions, and if you think this elevates the risk of deals not closing? Thanks a lot.

Yes, I would say that, we clearly, in the Biden administration have an administration that has verbally and I would say, through its appointments, expressed a greater scrutiny of transactions than has occurred in the past on the one hand. On the other hand, the number of transactions that will be affected by that, and I go back to the comment we made earlier that our median transaction is clearly sub $1 billion. I haven't gone back and we haven't gone back and analyzed over the last five years. If you wanted to take a stronger magnifying glass to transactions that have been consummated from an antitrust perspective, what proportion of those would have been affected, but my guess is, you could count that on one or two fingers in terms of a percentage wise of all transactions and quite possibly less than that. And obviously, there will be some large transactions. There was one this week, the Aon-Willis transaction. And if a large transaction is contested by the government, the participants have two options, they can abandon the transaction as it happened in the case of Aon-Willis or they can go to court as happened in the case of AT&T-Time Warner. And so, the law is what ultimately governs whether that antitrust enforcement increase can actually have an effect on the markets. So, because of the law and the court system, I suspect that the Biden administration will use their powers judiciously because no one likes to lose in court. And at the same time, they clearly will be more -- there will be more scrutiny than there would have been in previous administrations. So, yes, it's a serious cloud, not a thundercloud.

Okay, got it, right. That's very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Our next question is from the line of Brennan Hawken with UBS. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, thanks for taking my questions. There were a couple of comments around the competitive market for talent. Clearly, it's more expensive to recruit. You're running, you're going to be running above your typical four to eight SMD adds. So, is this all a way to signal that we should be rethinking the comp ratio this year? And, based on I understood, it's the middle of the year, you don't have visibility into the comp pool in the middle of the year, but based on what we're seeing right now, it sounds like there's more likely to be some upward pressure there than not, is that fair? And what comments can you add at this point?

I think, we and Bob should answer this, but every quarter what we put in as our comp ratio is our best judgment of where we think it will wind up for the full year. So it never has a particular bias upward or downward. And obviously the things that affect the full-year comp ratio, our full-year revenues, full-year the level of compensation for each person, and the number -- the amount of new hiring that we do. And I think if -- we don't have, we have no information on what full-year compensation will be from a competitive point of view. We have half of the information as to what full-year revenues will be, and some visibility to the rest of the year. And we have not full visibility on the number of hires or the seniority of those hires. So, but I would not in any way presume that there is a more -- a greater risk of upward bias in the comp ratio. Bob, do you want to add anything?

Nothing more from me?

Okay. And then, Bob, you made reference to the non-comp number, I mean the -- I wasn't sure what the dirty comment around the employees exactly means, but...?

It'll be lower at the end of the third quarter, I am sorry I wasn’t clear.

All good, all good. So is the primary factor of the non-comp upward bias and un-comp increasing T&E as that starts to normalize? Do you have any visibility into what kind of quantum in return to normal T&E we should be counting on? And/or are there other factors that might be leading into the non-comp upward pressure?

I think, looking at the second half of the year on non-comps travel, and the costs associated with adding talent are the big drivers of a different result in the first half of the year. Net-net, both of those are high quality reasons to increase cost. What the quantum will be in the second half will be very much COVID dependent. How active are our clients going to want to be in the in-person meetings, I'm not smart enough to guess how that will play out in the second half of the year. We wanted to highlight an average to get a better sense of normal cost per employee. The idea that we would slingshot back to 2019 levels seemed to be overshooting what that number should look like, so the average, I wouldn't, we don't give guidance. I wouldn't try to say what it will be in the second half of the year Brennan, but that's the direction we would expect it to move towards.

Yes, okay, that's fair. And I guess, the sort of little last, just a follow up actually. Ralph, you were talking about the median transactions being $1 billion. I know there's a bunch of different ways to run the numbers. But did you by chance take a look at what the median transaction would be like if you revenue weighted it? And what that would be? I would suspect it to be higher, but would it be materially or is it in the same ballpark?

Bob, I don’t know the answer.

Well, Brannan there's a number that we always produce, which is the number of these, of $1 million or greater, and sort of looking at how that performs over time, and the important statistic is, how many transactions are there. So, it’s in the earnings release. For the first half of the year, there were 218 fees of $1 million dollars or greater. That compares with 150 for the first half of last year. Roger reminded me once that, yes it is that simple, serve more clients to add more and meaningful fees.

And there is a, there is some correlation, but it's a pretty loose one between the size of the transaction and the size of the fee. And what you would tend to see is that the largest fees are very often earned on transactions that are sell sides that aren't the largest transactions, but have achieved a good day an unexpectedly high outcome. Clients pay for that.

The good news is that we are now large enough that in fact averaging makes these numbers a little less volatile, a little more relevant.

And I would say that, one thing that is happening with us is we do have an increased focus on larger companies, and larger transactions and that will impact our results over time.

Awesome, that's all very, very interesting. And of course, Bob, congratulations on your retirement, and Celeste, congratulations on joining, looking forward to working with you again.

Our next question is from the line of Manan Gosalia with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Hi, good morning. May be just a follow up to the last question. When I look at the fee rate over the last few quarters, whether it's revenues per deal or even as a percentage of volume, it does look like that subbed nicely for a few quarters. I mean, how much of that do you think is from the environment and the fact that we have more large deals now or maybe some of that is from actions that you're actively taking? So, I was wondering if you can comment on that, basically I'm just wondering, how sustainable you think that is over time?

Look I think Manan, on any given quarter or any given short period of time, a very large transaction recognized in that quarter, can push that average around. So, as always is the case with us looking at trends over a long period of time, is more meaningful. It has gone up. It -- there are so many factors that drive that. John’s focus on really focusing on big important relationships and sustainable relationships with clients is key. On the other hand, the work we did at the end of 2019, sort of exiting markets where productivity simply could not meet our objectives and really being focused on the kind of business we're doing or not doing, is equally important. So it is going up over time. It is something that, if we are performing effectively, focusing on the right opportunities, and equally not focusing on sort of unproductive markets, we should be able to drive that result over time. I just encourage you to be more focused on longer measures, trailing 12 months than any given quarter.

Hey, great, that that's helpful. And then, maybe if I can just pivot over to capital return, you've done about 400 million or so in buybacks over the last two quarters and that's certainly higher than what we've seen from you in the past. Can you just run through how you're thinking about buybacks? Are you looking to continue to return capital through buybacks at a steady pace? I mean as the earnings come through or would you look to keep a little bit of cash liquidity in your back pocket and maybe be a little bit more opportunistic if the market turns?

Well, I'm thrilled to have someone suggest that we could hold even a little more cash. But I don't get many fans of that. Look, were back to a place that we had been and that we're very comfortable with, which is -- will, the Board will look at our dividend annually. And that will be in the first quarter of the year. The rest of free cash earnings will be returned through buybacks, which you've seen in the first half of the year has been strong. That's quite simply a function of two things. One, in 2020, as we discussed, we really took the opportunity to strengthen the balance sheet. I'm loathe to use the word fortress, maybe it's a little -- a tiny outlying fort somewhere, but it's a pretty strong balance sheet and it's a very strong balance sheet for us. So we don't need to tie the way even more liquidity. We're in a position to return it to investors as we have done. So when we have strong earnings, you can anticipate dividends and buybacks.

Okay, great. And then I just want to add to the chorus, Bob, thank you for everything and good luck with retirement. And Celeste welcome and we look forward to an active dialogue.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of Michael Brown with KBW. Your line is open.

Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Just on restructuring, I think in your prepared remarks you just briefly touched on it and clearly the assignments were down on a year-over-year basis. I guess I was just curious how that activity has trended since last quarter, is it relatively kind of in line with expectations? Are you kind of seeing opportunities for maybe a bit of a pickup in mandates here? Thank you.

I think more, just kind of steady-state bumping along. It's awful hard for mandates to pick up when you have extraordinarily low interest rates, unlimited liquidity, and very receptive equity markets, so that if companies can't borrow money, they can re-equitize themselves. So the restructuring environment, it's certainly not dormant, but there's some carryover activity from last year and there's a reasonably meaningful amount of activity and sort of liability management debt recapitalization taking advantage of the very liquid markets today. So, they're busy, but they're certainly not as busy as they were, thankfully last July, August, September.

One of the important things that are a good restructuring business does and we think we have really excellent restructuring businesses, they build relationships, so that when the market gets busy with respect to restructuring expertise, that we have access, both in terms of portfolio companies as sponsors, as well as other more leveraged organizations. And that's one of the most important things that we're doing right now, which is continuing to build relationships and access to those important accounts. Clearly, because our group is known to be financial experts, there is a lot of dialogue going on in terms of getting advice on certain aspects of liability and capital structures and we think that, that will all over time play out in terms of more business for the restructuring of business going forward. Right now, there isn't any sector that is really in trouble. Even the energy sector, which has been a big sector for us, has been strengthening as prices for oil and energy has stabilized and start to go up. So right now, some of the big things that would be driving the business are there, but we still have a high activity level. It's just very different.

I would add just one other thing and that is, there are two reasons that we don't provide huge amount of granular detail on our advisory piece. One is that they're not easily characterized. So when you talk about restructuring, it's not like there's a bucket of advisory revenues that fall clearly in the restructuring area, and a bucket that fall clearly in other areas. So the characterization is not easy. It's kind of a black to gray to white, and where do you put the gray is not easy. The second thing is, and, we talked about this a fair amount last year when M&A was, basically on hold, we have a broader array of ways to help clients, or a broader array of advisory capabilities in this firm than any other firm has. And on previous calls, we've gone down the list of them. And, what that allows us to do is to advise clients on a broader array of things, and as a consequence, we're more of an all weather firm, that I think our investors and perhaps even our analysts appreciate. So, focusing on one place or another, in our view, tends to be a little less relevant.

Yes, thanks for that. That's all great points. And then just on hiring, in the last quarter you guys were confident in the ability to hire for SMDs, confident that comment in that range. This quarter, you reiterated that and it sounds like you actually could see it come in a little bit better. So it sounds to me a little more confident. If I dive into that a little bit, is it just that you just have a couple hires in the bag now so you can feel a little bit more confident? Is that where that comes from or have you actually seen like a pickup in interest or conversations kind of accelerating at a pace that you weren't seeing last quarter, just trying to understand the nuance between this quarter and last quarter?

I think what we said was that we could very well be within four to eight, although we could be above it. There is clearly a focus from our side as we always have to be looking at the market and seeing whether there's A+ talent out there that would be able to fit into what we're trying to accomplish. And I think right now, we see some interesting opportunities. And we're in dialogue with those opportunities, those people. And really, it's as simple as that. I think we're not going to overstretch. We're not going to basically hire where we don't think we have the A+ talent. In many respects, our recruiting is all about making sure that we keep the quality level of the organization up, respect our model, so that we bring in people who can actually address the places that we think are interesting opportunities, and to stay disciplined on that. And I think that really is what we're trying to do in this environment and I think that we'll see, but we do have some very strong people who have agreed to come and we think that we are in several dialogues, and we'll see where those play out.

And, as we said in the press release and John repeated in his remarks, that we have two people who are ready, two SMDs and advisory have already joined. We have three who have resigned from their current firms and have committed to come here, but are on guarded leave. And our suspicion is that when we sit here, three months from now, that will be, that that list of five who have joined or committed will be at or above the upper end of the range.

And just to be clear, we're always looking for A+ talent. And so when it's available, we will be looking to bring in -- bring those people in, provided they address places that we think are interesting markets and sectors.

Okay, great. Thank you, John, and Ralph. And then I guess just one quick clarification. Did you provide the current SMD headcount?

109, the advisory SMDs is 109.

Great, thank you, Bob and congrats and best of luck in retirement.

There appear to be no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor to Ralph Schlosstein and John Weinberg for any closing comments.

Okay, let me just make a couple of conclusionary remarks and also point out that when you said there were no more questions, Bob raised his hand in victory. This is actually the 49th quarterly earnings call that Bob and I have done together, which must be some kind of record and the 19th that John, Bob and I have done together. Over that 12-year period of time, our revenues have grown almost 15 fold and our earnings, even more than that. We've grown together, as the firm has grown and Bob has been a stunningly effective and professional partner in all that has been accomplished here at Evercore over his 14 years here. Throughout that entire period, he has been the consummate professional, operated with the highest integrity, and developed and mentored a finance technology, facilities and Investor Relations team that has facilitated all of that growth without exposing the firm to operating risk. I couldn't imagine having a better partner during those 12 years. And I want everyone on this call to know that he'll be missed as a partner and a trusted friend. So we'll miss you. All right. And thanks, everyone for joining us, thanks to our team, who've done a brilliant job serving our clients and we look forward to being with you in October.

If you have any questions throughout the day, feel free to reach out to Investor Relations, we'll be here. Thank you.

Thank you, great.

This concludes today's Evercore's second quarter 2021 financial results conference call. You may now disconnect.