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Operator
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Evercore Second Quarter and First Half 2017 Financial Results Conference Call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference call will be opened for questions. [Operator Instructions] This conference call is being recorded today, Thursday, July 27, 2017. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Evercore Chief Financial Officer, Bob Walsh. Please go ahead, sir.
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Robert Walsh
Analyst
[Technical Difficulty] Chief Financial Officer, and joining me on the call today are Ralph Schlosstein, President and Chief Executive Officer; and John Weinberg, our Executive Chairman. Roger Altman, our Founding Chairman is traveling. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing Evercore's second quarter and first half 2017 financial results. The company's discussion of our results today is complementary to that press release, which is available on our website at evercore.com. This conference call is being webcast live on the Investor Relations section of the website and an archive of it will be available for 30 days beginning approximately one hour after the conclusion of this call. I want to point out that during the course of this conference call, we may make a number of forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties and are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in these statements. These factors include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Evercore's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual reports on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and current reports on Form 8-K. I want to remind you that the company assumes no duty to update any forward-looking statements. In our presentation today, unless otherwise indicated, we will be discussing adjusted financial measures, which are non-GAAP measures that we believe are meaningful when evaluating the company's performance. For detailed disclosures on these measures and their GAAP reconciliations, you should refer to the financial data contained within our press release, which, as previously mentioned, is posted on our website. We continue to believe that it is important to evaluate Evercore's performance on an annual basis. As we've noted previously, our results for any particular quarter are influenced by the timing of transaction closings. I'll now turn the call over to Ralph.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Thank you, Bob. Good morning, everyone. As we noted in our earnings release this morning, we are pleased with the second quarter results as they represent the eight consecutive quarter of year-on-year growth in revenues, adjusted net income and earnings per share. Our advisory business continues to be the principal engine driving our growth. Trailing 12 months advisory revenues are $1.245 billion, up 32% from the 12 months ended June 30, 2016. As a result of this performance, we have gained significant market share versus all public firms that report their advisory fees separately, including, obviously, all the large firms, and also versus the public independent firms. Our trailing 12 month market share grew over the last year from 5.3% to estimated 6.7% versus all public firms and from 17.5% to an estimated 19.3% versus all public independent firms. And the reason we estimate is that not all firms have reported yet. We estimate that we have the sixth or seventh largest advisory franchise in the world in terms of revenues and that we rank significantly higher in the U.S. We are one of only 3 global independent investment banking advisory firms with well in excess of $1 billion of advisory revenues. Our market share gains have been fueled by the extraordinary talents of our senior advisory professionals, who again generated industry leading productivity, and also to the residents of our independent, senior level teamwork-oriented advisory model with corporate and financial leaders, with boards of directors and with private equity investors. We continue to invest significantly in our future growth and success by promoting talent from within and by attracting significant new talent to both our advisory and equity businesses. In Advisory, we expect to hire at or above the top end of the 4 to 7 advisory senior managing…
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John Weinberg
Analyst
Thank you, Ralph, and good morning. Our Investment Banking business had a record second quarter and first half. Net revenues were $356.7 million for the quarter, a 10% increase over the same period last year. For the first half, net revenues were $723.2 million, a 29% increase over 2016. The operating contribution was $89.2 million for the second quarter, an increase of 6% over the same period last year, and $180.8 million for the first half, a 36% increase. Our operating margin was 25% in the quarter and the first half. Advisory fees were $292.7 million in the quarter, the highest second quarter in our history and 17% higher than 1 year ago. For the quarter, advisory revenues include 61 fees equal to or greater than $1 million in comparison with 58 fees in Q2 of 2016. Advisory revenues in the first half of 2017 include 114 fees equal to or greater than $1 million, up from 99 fees in the first half 2016. The number of fee-paying client transactions in quarter 2 of 2017 was 192 compared to 210 in quarter 2 of 2016. The number of fee-paying client transactions in the first half of 2017 with 296 matching the number of fee-paying client transactions in the first half 2016. The composition of advisory revenues for the quarter reflected strong contribution from multiple sectors, particularly energy, TMT, health care and financial services. We're also starting to see an uptick in the number of general industrial and consumer mandates, reflecting our investment in talent and the broadening of our capability over the past years. In restructuring, we continue to be active in energy and across many other industries and believe that the recent sell-off in the price of oil, from that we may see an increase in energy restructurings. We…
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Thank you, John. Let me start by reviewing the equity business and a number of strategic decisions we have taken that we believe will positively impact our future performance. Evercore ISI contributed net revenues of $58 million in the quarter, including $4.5 million attributable to underwriting. Secondary revenues of $53.5 million were down 6% versus last year, less than the [Technical Difficulty] in the broader market volumes. Overall, the business produced operating margins of 19% in the quarter. For the first half of 2017, the business contributed net revenues of $112.6 million, including $9.5 million attributable to underwriting. Secondary revenues of $103 million were down 10% versus last year, again less than the decline in the overall market volumes. The business produced operating margins of 17% for the first half of the year. The Equities business continues to deliver on the strategic objectives established at the time of the acquisition of ISI. Our leading research capabilities have enhanced our advisory recruiting efforts in key sectors, including technology, energy and health care, and they have meaningfully strengthened our relationship with many corporate entities. They also have strengthened meaningfully our ECM capabilities. The business continues to contribute positively to our operating earnings through a - though at slightly lower margins than we had hoped. This is driven in part by lower trading volumes in the U.S. equities business in total and in part by declining research budgets of our clients. In this challenging environment for the U.S. cash equities business, we are gaining share in the [indiscernible]. Our research products continue to be highly valued by our clients, and we believe that the market will continue to present opportunities for us to selectively add exceptional talent as we did in July with the addition of Josh Schimmer to launch coverage of the…
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Robert Walsh
Analyst
Thank you, Ralph. Starting off with our GAAP results, net revenues on a GAAP basis are $370.5 million and $757.7 million, were a record for a second quarter and 6-month period just as they were a record on an adjusted basis. Net income attributable to Evercore Partners Inc. was $18.2 million for the quarter and $99 million for the 6 months. Consistent with prior periods, our adjusted results exclude certain items that are directly related to our acquisitions and dispositions, including costs related to our equities business as well as impairment charges relating to our investments in G5 in Brazil and the sale of the Institutional Trust and Independent Fiduciary business, as Ralph just discussed. As in prior quarters, we adjusted for costs associated with the vesting of LP units and interests granted in conjunction with the ISI acquisition. For the quarter, we expensed $5.7 million related to the class E LP Units and $11.3 million related to the class H LP Interests. During the quarter, following a sustained period of economic and political instability in Brazil and after concluding that the expected recovery in the M&A markets would be delayed for the foreseeable future, we updated our assessment of our carrying value of our investment in G5, resulting in an impairment charge of $14.4 million. Also during the quarter, we incurred an impairment charge of $7.1 million related to the goodwill in our Institutional Asset Management business reporting unit following our commitment to sell the Institutional Trusted Independent Fiduciary business. You will recall that historically, the institutional asset management reporting unit initially included Atalanta Sosnoff, Evercore Trust Company, Evercore Asset Management and Evercore Casa de Bolsa. At the time of the restructuring of our investment in Atalanta Sosnoff, we allocated the goodwill from that acquisition among Atalanta Sosnoff and…
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Operator
Operator
Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Devin Ryan with JMP Securities. You may proceed.
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Devin Ryan
Analyst
Hey, good morning, everyone.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Good morning, Devin. How are you?
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Devin Ryan
Analyst
Doing well. Congratulations on the nice quarter. I guess first question here is just on some of the ancillary advisory activities that maybe don't fit in the box as much as maybe M&A advisory and you guys are doing a lot more of that. Can you just talk about the opportunity with some of these businesses like capital structure advisory and capital advisory and activism defense? And just help us think about, if you can, the pools, because you still don't have that many bankers allocated to those areas, but I think they're contributing maybe more than they have in the past. So just trying to kind of reconcile because I think that's harder for all of us to wrap our arms around since those deals were captured as well.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
All right. Let me start by talking a little bit about the strategy and then try to be a little responsive to your question. I think I've articulated and John has certainly and Roger completely agreed with this, I sometimes lively say that we're in every business that Goldman Sachs is in that meets the following criteria. You compete solely on the basis of your ideas, your intellectual capital and your relationships and the only source of revenue is fee revenue. That strategy has the impact of allowing us to serve our clients on a broader array of this issues than we might have been able to do 4 or 5 years ago. So we've added equity capital markets capability, and that gives us the ability to advise our clients on how strategic things that they undertake might affect the value of their equity, how they might finance those activities through the equity markets. We've added debt capital markets advisory capabilities, which has the same effect on the debt side as opposed to the equity side. We've added deep capabilities in the tax area since many transactions have tax implications or tax complications. So for our standard M&A or restructuring advisory client, we have an ability to advise them much more broadly, not just on the strategic transaction itself but on capital structure and on financing of that transaction. That does 2 things: the first thing it does is in circumstances where we are the initial or the first trusted advisor to a client, it allows us to maintain a sole advisory position for a much longer period of time because the expertise that traditionally may have been more resident in a financing firm or a large financing firm, we have very senior people who come from those backgrounds who…
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John Weinberg
Analyst
The only thing that I would add to that is that, for example, in something like the business we have on the activist side, what that really does is it allows us to build deeper, more consequential relationships with clients. And also with that capability, we can have more access to senior management team and board. And so where that will translate is necessarily into market share. So one way to think about some of these businesses is that these capabilities will, according to our strategy and plan, allow us to increase market share.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
I would - I'm sorry to add one other thing to what John's commented, the activist practice, and it's sort of the activist part of that, that' is most visible to the external world. But the way we have thought about that is that the connectivity with institutional shareholders is becoming increasingly important to our corporate clients who are public. And so that connectivity, which we have through our banking team and obviously as the only independent firm that has a research-based equity business, allows us from time to time to assist our clients in their communication with their institutional shareholders, whether that communication is surrounding an activist situation or whether it's surrounding a transaction that they hope to undertake that may require some explication to their shareholders. So we do look at that - the ability of Evercore to play that role on behalf of our clients as a significant advantage of the firm.
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Devin Ryan
Analyst
Okay, terrific color. And then just with respect to the change in the structure of the equity units relative to the ISI transaction, I guess the question is why do it at this moment? You obviously made a decision in the first quarter to change the assumption, but not - why not continue to see how it plays out and then reassess versus doing at this time. Just curious on timing perspective and then just want to make sure that I understand the actual share count for modeling purposes, it just goes down by 1,00,000, is that correct?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Yes. The answer to your second question is yes, very simply, it goes down by 100,000. And the reason we did is very simply - we do believe and see that over - with some of the changes in the equity markets, that there will be some opportunities for us to perhaps invest a little in the business to create value that may not be immediately manifest just like any investment we make in this business winds up costing money at the outset, whether it's in banking or in research. But what we didn't want to be in a position of was where the firm was prepared to make and felt we could earn a good return by making some additional investments in that business and have the effect of those investments that they were reducing the consideration that would have been paid to professionals who we have working in that business, who are really important to us. And so we just felt that at this point in time, we were better off fixing the consideration and running the business to create value 2 to 3 years out, just as we do in our Advisory business rather than having everyone in that business counting every bean and marking to market their equity with every hire we make. So it's really to eliminate that potential source of tension.
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Devin Ryan
Analyst
Okay, terrific guys, thanks very much. I'll leave it there.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Thanks Devin.
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Operator
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Conor Fitzgerald with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.
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Conor Fitzgerald
Analyst · Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.
Good morning. Just wanted to follow up on some of your comments around restructuring. I think you mentioned seeing a pickup given the recent move in energy prices or that you could. I just want to clarify the period you were referring to when you talked about activity picking up. Is that more a comment around more restructuring lines for the back half of 2016 or kind of the peak of the first half of last year? And then maybe more broadly on the same point, some of your peers have talked about restructuring being a headwind for their revenue growth from here. I know your business mix in your stage of growth in that business is a little different, but we'd just like to hear your comments on whether you think that can be a growing line item for you from here.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.
I think our remarks were really focused on the energy business particularly that there had been a wave of energy restructuring and the energy price had recovered somewhat, then it fell again, and it fell to levels that we've thought there could be not a second wave, maybe a second high ripple. And now in the last few days since we drafted this press release, energy has recovered a little bit. So I think our view on the restructuring business is not the similar from what you articulated as the comments of our competitors. We think it's a very solid business right now. Given the debt markets and the equity markets, it certainly doesn't seem like that will be a source of growth in our advisory revenues over the next 2 or 3 quarters, but we also see it as a healthy business at the moment.
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Conor Fitzgerald
Analyst · Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.
Okay, that's helpful. And then did want to circle back the ISI deal. One of the big selling points at the time of the deal was that the consideration was dependent on the financial performance and that you mentioned the financial performance has been tracking below expectations. So just given some of the uncertainties this business faces over the next several years, just wondering why you wouldn't keep some of that downside protection for shareholders.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.
Well, I think you always have to balance a little bit more downside protection, which we might have gotten. I mean, at 47%, we're already well below half - the consideration that was going to be do under the Hs versus the tension that, that might have created between the people who we consider the core of the franchise and the firms' desires. And we didn't want to be in a position with a lot of change going on in the equities business that we were frozen strategically for 3 years so that we could deliver the absolute max under the Hs. I think - that's a judgment call, I feel very strongly that it's the right call. I think it's also fair to say that the mechanism has largely worked at this point. We had 8.2 million shares of original consideration. We're now down to 5.3 million. The share price that the deal was struck versus today's operating income, it's roughly 7x pretax. If you use even today's share price, it's a little below 10x pretax versus today's operating income. So we've - by the reduction of 2.8 million shares, we've effectively received the lion share of protection that we hope to get, and we just made a judgment that whenever modest additional production was available to us, that, that was offset by the benefits of having everybody rowing in the same direction and having a certainty of the consideration be visible to our key professionals.
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Conor Fitzgerald
Analyst · Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.
Thanks for taking my questions.
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Operator
Operator
And our next question comes from line of Brennan Hawken with UBS. You may proceed.
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Brennan Hawken
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
Thanks for taking the questions. One more on the ISI here to start out. You made reference to the fact that you want to do - adjust this structure to allow for some investment. Is there something specific that you are considering or is that more of a broad kind of vague statement just in case?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
It's a broad vague. No, look, I think, Brennan, as you know - as everybody on this call knows better than anyone, there is a lot of change underway in this business. There are some cyclical issues clearly in terms of the low VIX and low trading volumes. But there are some very big secular issues and changes brought on by the move from active to passive. And we do think that there will be selective opportunities for us to a, either reposition our business or to add very, very high quality talent. And the research businesses is going to become, in our view, very much like our Advisory business, that the best talent will win. And if we have opportunities to add really high quality talent, the nature of that is just as it is in our Advisory business, it flows right through the income statement, it depresses exactly the metrics that we're used to calibrate the Hs. And we just didn't want to be in a position where we could hire fantastic II or ranked analyst with really good future economics for us and have the people working in the business say, well, this person's great be a great colleague, but that's going to cost us x dollars. That's not a good dynamic. And since the vast majority, and I do mean that, the vast majority of the protection that was built into the structure has already taken place. We just felt that the benefits of taking what I just described off the table versus whatever modest additional decline in consideration might result that we were better off fixing it. It's that simple.
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Brennan Hawken
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
Yes, I totally appreciate that. In the spirit of some of those changes that you identified in that business, have you guys considered switching to a subscription model? I mean, your research talent is clearly very, very strong and trading capabilities with a strict adherence to no balance sheet use are limited in how much they can actually monetize, right? So why not reduce some of the investment on the trading side and shift over to a subscription model or largely a subscription model which could allow for possibly better economics by reducing costs without hurting your top line very much?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
I think, Brennan, those are all really good questions. And I think our current posture is to very, very carefully and thoroughly monitor what is going on in both the evolution of the business and the speed with which that evolution occurs. My suspicion is that at some point, unless the regulatory world changes a lot, that are our business, at a minimum, will take on some elements of the subscription model, a minimum payment from every client for receiving the breadth of our research and some hearing of clients depending upon the degree to which they utilize our intellectual capital. So these are things that we're right in the middle of discussing and thinking about, and I would say that our discussions and thoughts are broad and looking toward the long view. That's not a very specific answer, but I'm giving you credit for good questions.
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Brennan Hawken
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
Okay. I guess I'll take what I can get. One question, if I could, just on the core business, which really was impressive this quarter. Can you talk about the level of dialog? We hear that Europe is picking up, we hear that there's a little bit of reticence in the U.S. given policy uncertainty, are you seeing some of that reticence hold back your - the willingness to announce a deal, are dialog still robust, could give us just maybe a little color on that front?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
Sure. We're seeing very healthy dialog. And I would say that where there is some reticence in terms of what could happen with the environment and certainly the political underpinnings in that phase, there is no question that there is consistent recovery in Europe and the United States. And as a result, the confidence level at the CEO level as well as the access to markets are at very healthy level. And so we think that there is, in place, the seeds of a very healthy next quarter and 2 quarters. Having said that, there is uncertainty with some of the wins, whether it's tax or whether it's political. So those are things that will play against that. But our dialogs are very healthy right now, and we're feeling very optimistic about the assets were having, two big companies and also the full of discussions.
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Brennan Hawken
Analyst · UBS. You may proceed.
Great. Thanks for the color.
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Operator
Operator
And our next question comes from Steven Chubak from Nomura Instinet. You may proceed.
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Sharon Leung
Analyst
Hi. This is actually Sharon Leung for Steven this morning. Just wanted to ask about some of the businesses in advisory. You've noted in the past kind of a 90-10 split between advisory and restructuring. And just given the growth in some of the other businesses, such as - some of your other businesses, how we should think about that rate down moving forward?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Well, I'm going to beg to differ that we've never ever articulated a split between restructuring advisory and every other part of advisory. But I think the - if you look at the relative contribution that restructuring has made to our Advisory business over the last decade, the periods of peak contribution were obviously in 2008 and 2009 and 2010. And the last couple years have been not the absolute lows, but have been more towards the lower end as a percentage. And I think as we indicated in response to an earlier question, we don't see that changing in the immediate future because the financial markets are quite accommodating. And while there are sectors where there are stress, energy being one of them highly geared to the commodity price, retail being another, and retail is an interesting one because if you'll note, it's not an infrequent occurrence that the result of a retail restructuring is a liquidation of the business, which is not something that we are normally deeply involved in. So there certainly is not the economic environment - economic weakness on a widespread basis that would cause restructuring to become a more meaningful part of our advisory revenues at this point.
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Robert Walsh
Analyst
The other thing that I would is that we've continued to invest in our restructuring efforts. And I think our view is that this is a very important part of our business and that having high-quality professionals out there talking to companies and addressing situations is very positive. And so if part of your question was is the relative strengths and importance of that business going to be an important part of the capability would bring the clients and really our financial performance, the answer is absolutely yes. And it continues to be a very important strategic initiative to us, and we feel really good about the team we've got on the field right now.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
I suspect as you saw, we hired Roopesh Shah earlier this year from Goldman. He ran restructuring at Goldman. If I'm not mistaken, I think we're the only independent firm that has hired a partner in restructuring this year.
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John Weinberg
Analyst
Operator, do we have more questions?
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Operator
Operator
And our next question comes from Michael Needham with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. You may proceed.
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Michael Needham
Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. You may proceed.
Hey good morning, everyone. So I guess first on your push in industrials and consumer. I think on your prepared remarks, you said there are some early signs that you're winning deals in those areas. Those are sectors you haven't had a lot of dedicated bankers, but they're big peoples. Can you just update us on where the team stand today, how long do you think they're going to remain kind of subscale? Is it - you're making a big enough push that the team's gets filled out relatively quickly.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. You may proceed.
Sure. I would start by saying that you saw that we hired Paul Stefanick who is a major banker in the industrials area. And we have several other conversations, and we've also continued to organize so that we have an effort that is really focused on clients who are participating in activities in the industrial side. You saw that we hired Ira Wolfson, and so we're really starting to build out that team. On the consumer side, we have capability and clearly, there are things like our activists which have really allowed us to enter in. So for example, you saw our participation in the whole foods situation and it's an impending sales, Amazon. And that's just an example of the kinds of activities that we're starting to play in. And as you know, the more experience you get in sectors and start to build up momentum, the more dialogs become available to you. And that's really what we're seeing. And so we continue to be focused on those areas, we will continue to build them out, but we see really good progress and you can rest assure that we're continuing to focus.
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Michael Needham
Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. You may proceed.
Okay, got it. And one more on, I guess, progress versus the bigger picture from goals. I think you like - one of the goals is top 5 advisor in M&A, capital markets, advisory and restructuring. You've obviously made progress, particularly in M&A advisory. I'm just wondering how much bigger does the firm need to get to reach that top 5 consistently. I think the last 12 months are particularly strong. You put up 300 million advisory fees-ish for the last 4 quarters. That was like maybe you'd hit in 4Q in past years. I think some people might be discounting the strength as wondering are these market share trends going to continue from here.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. You may proceed.
Well, if you look at our position, we are - if you look at the end of the first quarter trailing 12 months, we are #7 in the world in advisory revenue, #6 is Rothschild, they're about $95 million ahead of us. #5 was BMA, they were about $125 million ahead of us. And #4 was Lazard, which is about $160 million ahead of us. Rothschild hasn't reported yet, and BMA and Lazard actually have very strong second quarters. So I'm a little surprised actually, but I suspect that the gap between us and Lazard and us and BMA will be a very little wider on a trailing 12 month basis at the end of the second quarter, which is why you don't ever focus on one particular quarter. If you look at our Advisory business versus BMA, for example, in 2015, we did 56% of the revenues that they did in advisory and in 2016, we did 85%. So that was a pretty large move. My hope is that over the next 2, 3 years, the momentum that we've had, which is pretty consistent, will allow us to get in the top 5 or top 4 among all firms globally in the advisory business. Our position in the U.S. is already top 5, because both Lazard and Rothschild report their advisory fees by region, we don't, but we know our business is bigger than both of theirs. And in the case of the BMA, we only can estimate what share of their revenues are in the U.S. versus outside the U.S. of their advisory revenue. So this is a tourist business, not a hair business. We need to make steady progress. The key to study progress is continuing to internally promote our strong up and coming talent and define…
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Operator
Operator
Our last question comes from the line of Jeffery Harte with Sandler O'Neill. You may proceed.
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Jeffery Harte
Analyst
Just a couple of cleanups, I think, for me. The third party trust business being sold, can you help us size the actual business being sold a little bit this far and what kind of impact it'll have or it could have?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Yes, Jeff, we don't break down numbers to that degree of detail. I guess I would contextualize it has the investment management businesses that we have don't dictate the results of our firm really at all, and this is an interesting but not a driving part of those businesses.
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John Weinberg
Analyst
We will be paying taxes only, sadly.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Much to that…
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John Weinberg
Analyst
Much to my…
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Jeffery Harte
Analyst
And this was kind of touched on, but the growth has been approximately, you move into a top 5 or 6 revenue market share and the fact that I'm asking this question is kind of a compliment to you guys, but I mean, as you move up to 1 billion, 2 billion 3 plus billion, at what point in time does the law of large numbers start to kind of drag more on your growth rate or is there really that much opportunity left out there once you crack the top 5?
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
The only thing I would say is that there are some pretty fundamental changes going on in the role of advisory. I think if you look at so far this year or this quarter, 1, 2, 3, 4, including ourselves, independent firms have reported, all 4 of them have had very powerful increases in advisory revenues for the first half of the year. And the 5 US firms have reported and 4 of them were kind of flattish and one of them, BMA, actually had pretty strong quarter, also Citigroup had a pretty good quarter off of a relatively low base. But if you look at the share, the whole independent group is taking share from the whole large group. And I think that, that raises questions, in my mind at least, what is the ceiling on advisory revenues for an independent firm. And I think that ceiling, in my view, continues to rise, and it continues to rise because more and more very, very talented people are willing to consider practicing their craft at an independent firm, and it continues to rise because - we did what - we've done what we've done, and this is - John has been extraordinarily instrumental in getting us to focus on this and to recalibrate a little bit, but we probably have meaningful client relationships with a third of the largest companies in the country and around the globe. So there - notwithstanding our success and our growth, there are meaningful companies that we've had anywhere from casual to no interaction with. And so those, without telling you about big things, consumer industrial, there are just a bunch of companies that we have real opportunity with. And over the next couple of years, 3 years, the number of those with whom we…
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John Weinberg
Analyst
No, I would say that from our perspective and looking at it, there really isn't a ceiling for us at this point and certainly not within any kind of distance that we could imagine at this point. It's really going to come down to focusing the right people on the right opportunities and continuing to work hard. It will be very, very competitive as it always is, but there really isn't a limit at this point as to how big we can get in terms of market share in the revenue side. We'll never on be a competitor for the top 2 or 3 or 4 on the league side because we're not providing balance sheet. And as you all know, in league table, balance sheet can often be one of the things you trade off to get league table credit. But as we look at the landscape and our opportunities, the opportunity set continues to be very rich, and we're very excited about it. But as you know, in this business, it is very competitive, and we've got to compete well and win.
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Operator
Operator
There appears to be no questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor to Ralph Schlosstein for any closing comments.
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Ralph Lewis Schlosstein
Analyst
Okay. Thank you all for your attention. And I know it was really tempting to be on the Lazard call, but we appreciate you showing up for ours, and we'll see you in October.
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Operator
Operator
This concludes today's Evercore Second Quarter and First half 2017 Financial Results Conference Call. You may now disconnect.